Zach not being mentioned at all seems like it could be pretty important. The more little things we hear (or don't hear) leads me to believe all the more that this front office has completely moved on from Zach.
On one hand, I'm kind of glad to hear that they're not afraid to move on from the guy they just handed a max contract to a year ago - admitting their mistake. On the other hand, I'm afraid that means they've wed themselves to DeMar and we can expect to see a fat extension anytime now... DeMar saying he wants to retire a Bull makes that seem even more plausible now.
yeah, there have been no questions this offseason of AKME about negotiating an extension with DDR
they would've just said they won't comment on it, but still
I think there's very little risk in waiting until next offseason, but the Bulls played themselves into overpaying Vuc so I don't think they understand leverage
They also secretly extended their coach when he was only halfway through his current deal and wasn't even performing that well, so leverage is clearly not a word in AKME's vocabulary.
And I should be clear that I don't have a problem with AKME loving DeMar. He's been excellent as a Bull. I do have a problem with them hitching their wagon to the DeMar train though, as that locks this team into mediocrity for next several years.
for what it's worth I think the execs love DeMar. All the stuff they were going on about with their 'program' and this NFL-style work trip training camp, and voices in the locker room and alignment with the coach...that's all saying DDR > LaVine
Here's what I find the possibly (probably?) hilarious part about Lavine: they've decided they want to move on from on because he's not a difference-maker or doesn't fit what they want or whatever.
HOWEVER, they think they're so smart, they've probably convinced themselves that EVERY OTHER TEAM would clearly value you him way more than they do because they aren't "in the building" with Lavine or whatever, and so they're going to hold out until they get a really good offer for him.
So it's weird, because maybe they properly value him, but they are so convinced they're smarter than everyone else that they are externally inflating his value or something. It's like 4-D chess gone wrong.
Completely agree. What's also funny is that the "big 3" were a net negative when playing together last year. All three of those guys aren't real difference makers. At least not to the extent they're paid.
So why is LaVine the only one they're given up on? Why re-sign Vooch for $60 million instead of trading him before his previous contract expired? Why not be looking to trade DeMar before you get yourself in the same position next off season that you were with Vooch this past off season?
The problem is and will remain with the Reinsdorfs that being a big city team can be used against you. AKME just frames canned narratives because there's so many Bulls fans, enough of them will usually buy it short of "Fire GarPax" billboards. They can continually move the goalposts on the fan base, and all they need are like 60% to buy it and they skate by unscathed by failure. Chicago is such a big market there's little incentive to be truthful or overly successful. Mediocrity sells, and at high ticket prices.
1) Ricky again said it well today on CC pod: "If you want to stick it to the Reinsdorfs you can always head up to Milwaukee and root for them the next few years, in fact you'll probably get cheaper tickets!" There's your big city working against you problem. I was raised a Chicago sports fan so I cannot change my spots now, but when I have kids I vow to not influence their fandom one way or another. I'll just pray they pick teams other than Chicago teams.
2) Random thought but weak market for big name trades. It's almost as if the teams desperate to make big trades in the Seller's Market did so in 2022, and now all that's left is a Buyers Market because of resulting asset imbalance among contenders. Lillard for Holiday, Ayton for Nurkic, both far cries from the Rudy Goblet and Dijon Murray days. And on top of that, no one in the league seems to be thinking "Zach Lavine could really get us over the top..." We're left holding the bag, we waited too long.
3) Miami fans claiming the league is rigged cause they always lose trades... Maybe Riley just tries to fleece teams too aggressively and that's why they lose them? Reminds me of Lions fans thinking the NFL refs are rigged against them every single game; every game is blamed on the refs, even close victories. I wonder what other fan bases think is our "local dumb" niche for being Bulls fans.
they talk like their in charge of a g-league team. play harder and improve defense???? this is genuinely (genuinely!) the worst it’s felt to be a fan of this team over the last fifteen years. at least there was some plausible deniability in those awful paxson teams.
over like, decades of winning a championship not actually being the end goal, at least some lip service was paid to the idea. they’re saying the quiet part loud and i’m calling their bluff. bye dipshits! i’m a bucks fan now that grayson allen has been sent on a vision quest in the desert.
Imagine how soulless it must feel to work for the dorfs. You would have plenty of time to pursue hobbies though. There are so many things I need to do and just don't have the time for.
I have zero understanding how any of this is the Reinsdorfs' problem? Outside of a few teams like the Clippers, most teams operate within their cap constraints. This is not baseball where the Yankees payroll is $300 million and the Pirates $40 million. So that means for the Bulls -- just like every other NBA team -- franchise success is a function of front-office and coaching staff decisions, followed by player success or failure. Rinse and repeat, with urgency, until you get it right.
Billy has not shown he can coach this roster, as constructed. AKME have shown that outside of an interesting first year, they have zero urgency -- and at this point one would say ability -- to make moves in a transaction-heavy league to improve this team.
This concept of 'continuity' is atrocious in many ways -- most of all is that as supposedly knowledgeable basketball experts with all the inside, day-to-day knowledge and access we fans lack, you don't wait for things to play out in the standings year after year. You should KNOW what is working, what is not, what moves are available, and the associated risk/reward. And then you should ACT, proactively. I honestly can't think of another NBA front-office that operates as the Bulls do. It's gross malpractice.
Even if this team outplays expectations early this year, which I think they might, AKME have shown only that this will make them content, not itching to aggressively work to get to the next level. Which is just infuriating and discouraging.
Um…Acne is content with mediocrity because the Dorfs are too (because UC will still be sold out and they’ll keep cashing the under the cap check). Do you give a shit about things at work that your boss doesn’t care about? Acne’s job is to ‘do no harm,’ not to ‘just win, baby.’
Well, yeah, I do care about things at work. It's MY career. Not every NBA owner is fantastic, but most if not all GMs are more aggressive about achieving success within constraints. It gets you your next job and/or doesn't cost you your current one. I guess they can ride this out like Garpax did, but where are Garpax now? Out of the league, both.
This is the top of the mountain for Acne. They’re going to hold on for dear life for as long as they can, just like Garpax. Especially since they know the franchise has a low bar for success and a preference for long-term employment. If no fire is lit under one’s ass, the chair just gets more comfortable. They are mirroring their bosses with the coach/player continuity crap.
I was on a pretty terrible baseball team in college. Our spring training trip to Florida was an annual disaster, with interpersonal conflicts erupting in the wide open. I seriously doubt this juvenile exercise of "away" training camp will produce any of the positive effects AKME claim. If you dislike someone in Chicago, you'll probably dislike them in Nashville too.
I don't get the sense that these guys dislike each other. I just don't think they care. And I also don't know if that's even needed for winning, which is why this continuity stuff is nuts. Either you have on-court chemistry or you don't.
What a delight it would be to watch Harden loaf around the United Center. He could kick back and just stand there with his hands on his fat hips while Demar has the ball.
True that. Maybe we wait for the Celtics to acquire Holiday using Brogdan and then trade with Portland to get him using Ball’s contract & Portland pick plus whatever. Brogdan is a walking injury, but at least he’s still walking.
I don't think they're gonna trade Lonzo's contract for another multi-year contract. The Bulls would rather have a player they can totally wipe off the books next summer than a $20M one that can contribute on the floor.
Plus Brogdon can contribute on both ends of the floor. This organization has no use for players like that. Better to be a specialist or a no-tools athlete like the kid they inexplicably traded into the 2nd round for.
That would be insane if true. If you can trade 2 years of dead money (Ball) for 2 years of an above average player at a position of need, you have to do it.
I think yfbb somewhat undersold just how atrocious those objectives are. And I don't buy they are merely ad hoc justifications for the season, since there are only three and one they failed miserably. So I take them at their word that these are their real objectives.
Of the three listed goals, one is well known not to correlate with anything meaningful, one is legit (more on that in a sec), and the last is completely random and thus by definition out of one's control. Not exactly reassuring me that AKME are doing their best within the admittedly fatal constraints of Reinsdorf superintendence.
Now they did actually crush their one legit goal. Their defense improved by 1.4 pts/100 yoy when the league average ORtg rose 2.8 pts/100 yoy. An adjusted improvement of over 4 pts/100 is absolutely massive. Probably Donovan is not getting enough credit for that.
But even with more rationalized goals, the sins of this team's offense are specifically the sins of the three highest paid players: collectively, they do not pass well enough; they don't put enough pressure on the rim; and they don't shoot enough 3s. I didn't intend for this to be a Billy Donovan apologia, but I don't see how he can realistically reinvent three mature players like he would have to to significantly improve the offense.
Given those constraints, I see one path to improving the offense enough to comfortably put them on track for a 6th seed, and it involves a guy who wasn't mentioned in the article and hasn't been mentioned in the comments yet. I think Coby White is the most important player on the team this year. He could unlock some new things by taking another step in comfort running secondary PnR and attacking weak side rotations. He is already the most voluminous three point shooter on the team on a per minute basis. But he's also the only guy other than Zach with the skillset to add a bunch of self-created threes to his diet (which he is currently not really doing).
Yeah.... Says some not great things about the three offensive stars they chose to build around.
By the way, I didn't watch a ton of Orlando last year. So I didn't realize that Wendell both attempts more 3s per36 than Vuc and hits a higher % as well lol. And it goes without saying he grabs more orebs and get to the line a lot more.
Right, that's why I said he not currently doing it. If you look at his trajectory, he's had a smaller proportion of self-created 3s every year of his career. His highest was 25% his rookie year. I think getting back to that number would be quite doable for him as he hasn't become a worse ball handler, but he has become a better shooter in general.
My point is that it remains to be seen if he can shoot at anything like a high percentage when creating his own shot. There are plenty of players who can handle the ball and shoot well from deep who aren't very good shot creators. Or, put another way, it is far easier to shoot well when spotting up.
Sometimes I think about all these PhDs that tried and failed to get into FOs over the last decade's analytic revolution, and I think "Man, these orgs are so much smarter than they used to be". And then I'll actually listen to these guys talk about their teams at like media day or summer league and I'm like "Nonsense. Total nonsense. A dog could easily lead a team to 45 wins. And not like a border collie or something but a normal dog, dumb as shit dog."
i'm waiting to see what the random phantom injury will be
Also they're going to spend a telling amount of time talking about other teams also being mid. East is right there for them (if you ignore the best teams...the ones they're also 'competitive' against...)
Ok Bulls, dump Lonzo for Brogdan!!! Both contacts are the same length. Portland making some nice moves. Surprised Celtics gave up Time Lord. More minutes for Luke Kornet when Zing and Horford get hurt?
I heard that on Sam veccenine podcast brodgon to bulls for lonzo and lightly protected 1st. Brodgon has injury issues but might we worth shot since they all in now.
I tried to give this FO the benefit of the doubt but their terrible. They run this team like some snotty Real GM poster, sneering as transactions are made all around them, constantly talking about the future but never preparing. They have zero plan. Zero ides how to put a vision together. I see this type of thing all the time in my job. The individual decisions are defensible.
Jrue is too pricey. Can't get back enough in a trade. Can't let vuc or Coby (and soon Pwill) go for nothing.
But altogether. It's nothing. Meaningless. No vision, no plan. Just a bunch of random basketball ideas that in the end keep you stuck in place. The new Wizards.
I love talking and preparing for the future. Probably too much. Anytime I see a team as constructed isn't going to lead to a championship, I'm like, let's tear it down for assets and build for something with true potential.
But as you intimated, they're talking about the future, but not actually doing anything for it. They have nothing going forward.
Hahahaha yes! Also, think about how crazy Spuds MacKenzie mania was. Kids were wearing Bud Light t-shirts with Spuds and women in bikinis to my school. America peaked at Spuds.
Gotta be rough as an Oakland fan so close to a successful fan base in San Francisco.
McCaskeys are giving the Reinsdorfs a run for their money tho. Whereas Jerry seems like an evil villain destined to punish his lowly subjects, the McCaskeys just seem way over their heads running e family business
We should also give an honorable mention to the Knicks. I think James Dolan has to be the most petty and vindictive owner in professional sports. It's bad enough that the Bulls have basically captured the local media; imagine if they were using facial recognition to keep the remaining critics out.
Zach not being mentioned at all seems like it could be pretty important. The more little things we hear (or don't hear) leads me to believe all the more that this front office has completely moved on from Zach.
On one hand, I'm kind of glad to hear that they're not afraid to move on from the guy they just handed a max contract to a year ago - admitting their mistake. On the other hand, I'm afraid that means they've wed themselves to DeMar and we can expect to see a fat extension anytime now... DeMar saying he wants to retire a Bull makes that seem even more plausible now.
yeah, there have been no questions this offseason of AKME about negotiating an extension with DDR
they would've just said they won't comment on it, but still
I think there's very little risk in waiting until next offseason, but the Bulls played themselves into overpaying Vuc so I don't think they understand leverage
They also secretly extended their coach when he was only halfway through his current deal and wasn't even performing that well, so leverage is clearly not a word in AKME's vocabulary.
And I should be clear that I don't have a problem with AKME loving DeMar. He's been excellent as a Bull. I do have a problem with them hitching their wagon to the DeMar train though, as that locks this team into mediocrity for next several years.
for what it's worth I think the execs love DeMar. All the stuff they were going on about with their 'program' and this NFL-style work trip training camp, and voices in the locker room and alignment with the coach...that's all saying DDR > LaVine
Here's what I find the possibly (probably?) hilarious part about Lavine: they've decided they want to move on from on because he's not a difference-maker or doesn't fit what they want or whatever.
HOWEVER, they think they're so smart, they've probably convinced themselves that EVERY OTHER TEAM would clearly value you him way more than they do because they aren't "in the building" with Lavine or whatever, and so they're going to hold out until they get a really good offer for him.
So it's weird, because maybe they properly value him, but they are so convinced they're smarter than everyone else that they are externally inflating his value or something. It's like 4-D chess gone wrong.
Completely agree. What's also funny is that the "big 3" were a net negative when playing together last year. All three of those guys aren't real difference makers. At least not to the extent they're paid.
So why is LaVine the only one they're given up on? Why re-sign Vooch for $60 million instead of trading him before his previous contract expired? Why not be looking to trade DeMar before you get yourself in the same position next off season that you were with Vooch this past off season?
The problem is and will remain with the Reinsdorfs that being a big city team can be used against you. AKME just frames canned narratives because there's so many Bulls fans, enough of them will usually buy it short of "Fire GarPax" billboards. They can continually move the goalposts on the fan base, and all they need are like 60% to buy it and they skate by unscathed by failure. Chicago is such a big market there's little incentive to be truthful or overly successful. Mediocrity sells, and at high ticket prices.
1) Ricky again said it well today on CC pod: "If you want to stick it to the Reinsdorfs you can always head up to Milwaukee and root for them the next few years, in fact you'll probably get cheaper tickets!" There's your big city working against you problem. I was raised a Chicago sports fan so I cannot change my spots now, but when I have kids I vow to not influence their fandom one way or another. I'll just pray they pick teams other than Chicago teams.
2) Random thought but weak market for big name trades. It's almost as if the teams desperate to make big trades in the Seller's Market did so in 2022, and now all that's left is a Buyers Market because of resulting asset imbalance among contenders. Lillard for Holiday, Ayton for Nurkic, both far cries from the Rudy Goblet and Dijon Murray days. And on top of that, no one in the league seems to be thinking "Zach Lavine could really get us over the top..." We're left holding the bag, we waited too long.
3) Miami fans claiming the league is rigged cause they always lose trades... Maybe Riley just tries to fleece teams too aggressively and that's why they lose them? Reminds me of Lions fans thinking the NFL refs are rigged against them every single game; every game is blamed on the refs, even close victories. I wonder what other fan bases think is our "local dumb" niche for being Bulls fans.
Very fitting that Goblet and Dijon were the table-setters for the current trade market.
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they talk like their in charge of a g-league team. play harder and improve defense???? this is genuinely (genuinely!) the worst it’s felt to be a fan of this team over the last fifteen years. at least there was some plausible deniability in those awful paxson teams.
over like, decades of winning a championship not actually being the end goal, at least some lip service was paid to the idea. they’re saying the quiet part loud and i’m calling their bluff. bye dipshits! i’m a bucks fan now that grayson allen has been sent on a vision quest in the desert.
So is Nashville really underrated for hookers or something?
right I think this offers just different, not fewer, "distractions"
and reportedly (this was Cowley so FWIW) the players are the ones who pushed for it
I think they have a lot of escape rooms and ropes courses. Real team building stuff!
Imagine how soulless it must feel to work for the dorfs. You would have plenty of time to pursue hobbies though. There are so many things I need to do and just don't have the time for.
I have zero understanding how any of this is the Reinsdorfs' problem? Outside of a few teams like the Clippers, most teams operate within their cap constraints. This is not baseball where the Yankees payroll is $300 million and the Pirates $40 million. So that means for the Bulls -- just like every other NBA team -- franchise success is a function of front-office and coaching staff decisions, followed by player success or failure. Rinse and repeat, with urgency, until you get it right.
Billy has not shown he can coach this roster, as constructed. AKME have shown that outside of an interesting first year, they have zero urgency -- and at this point one would say ability -- to make moves in a transaction-heavy league to improve this team.
This concept of 'continuity' is atrocious in many ways -- most of all is that as supposedly knowledgeable basketball experts with all the inside, day-to-day knowledge and access we fans lack, you don't wait for things to play out in the standings year after year. You should KNOW what is working, what is not, what moves are available, and the associated risk/reward. And then you should ACT, proactively. I honestly can't think of another NBA front-office that operates as the Bulls do. It's gross malpractice.
Even if this team outplays expectations early this year, which I think they might, AKME have shown only that this will make them content, not itching to aggressively work to get to the next level. Which is just infuriating and discouraging.
Um…Acne is content with mediocrity because the Dorfs are too (because UC will still be sold out and they’ll keep cashing the under the cap check). Do you give a shit about things at work that your boss doesn’t care about? Acne’s job is to ‘do no harm,’ not to ‘just win, baby.’
Well, yeah, I do care about things at work. It's MY career. Not every NBA owner is fantastic, but most if not all GMs are more aggressive about achieving success within constraints. It gets you your next job and/or doesn't cost you your current one. I guess they can ride this out like Garpax did, but where are Garpax now? Out of the league, both.
Paxon still works for the Bulls as a senior advisor and Foreman for the Pelicans as a special advisor.
This is the top of the mountain for Acne. They’re going to hold on for dear life for as long as they can, just like Garpax. Especially since they know the franchise has a low bar for success and a preference for long-term employment. If no fire is lit under one’s ass, the chair just gets more comfortable. They are mirroring their bosses with the coach/player continuity crap.
I was on a pretty terrible baseball team in college. Our spring training trip to Florida was an annual disaster, with interpersonal conflicts erupting in the wide open. I seriously doubt this juvenile exercise of "away" training camp will produce any of the positive effects AKME claim. If you dislike someone in Chicago, you'll probably dislike them in Nashville too.
I don't get the sense that these guys dislike each other. I just don't think they care. And I also don't know if that's even needed for winning, which is why this continuity stuff is nuts. Either you have on-court chemistry or you don't.
Ok, if the FO really wants to dump Zach, how about Zach and Drummond for Fatso Harden, b-ball Paul and a 1st?
What a delight it would be to watch Harden loaf around the United Center. He could kick back and just stand there with his hands on his fat hips while Demar has the ball.
True that. Maybe we wait for the Celtics to acquire Holiday using Brogdan and then trade with Portland to get him using Ball’s contract & Portland pick plus whatever. Brogdan is a walking injury, but at least he’s still walking.
I don't think they're gonna trade Lonzo's contract for another multi-year contract. The Bulls would rather have a player they can totally wipe off the books next summer than a $20M one that can contribute on the floor.
Plus Brogdon can contribute on both ends of the floor. This organization has no use for players like that. Better to be a specialist or a no-tools athlete like the kid they inexplicably traded into the 2nd round for.
That would be insane if true. If you can trade 2 years of dead money (Ball) for 2 years of an above average player at a position of need, you have to do it.
they're thinking it's not 2 years of dead money, they'll likely be able to get out of it after this year
Best job security in world working in bulls front office for the cheapdorfs
I think yfbb somewhat undersold just how atrocious those objectives are. And I don't buy they are merely ad hoc justifications for the season, since there are only three and one they failed miserably. So I take them at their word that these are their real objectives.
Of the three listed goals, one is well known not to correlate with anything meaningful, one is legit (more on that in a sec), and the last is completely random and thus by definition out of one's control. Not exactly reassuring me that AKME are doing their best within the admittedly fatal constraints of Reinsdorf superintendence.
Now they did actually crush their one legit goal. Their defense improved by 1.4 pts/100 yoy when the league average ORtg rose 2.8 pts/100 yoy. An adjusted improvement of over 4 pts/100 is absolutely massive. Probably Donovan is not getting enough credit for that.
But even with more rationalized goals, the sins of this team's offense are specifically the sins of the three highest paid players: collectively, they do not pass well enough; they don't put enough pressure on the rim; and they don't shoot enough 3s. I didn't intend for this to be a Billy Donovan apologia, but I don't see how he can realistically reinvent three mature players like he would have to to significantly improve the offense.
Given those constraints, I see one path to improving the offense enough to comfortably put them on track for a 6th seed, and it involves a guy who wasn't mentioned in the article and hasn't been mentioned in the comments yet. I think Coby White is the most important player on the team this year. He could unlock some new things by taking another step in comfort running secondary PnR and attacking weak side rotations. He is already the most voluminous three point shooter on the team on a per minute basis. But he's also the only guy other than Zach with the skillset to add a bunch of self-created threes to his diet (which he is currently not really doing).
Of course in a year where the avg Ortg rose 2.8 pts, ours rose.... .3 lol
Yeah.... Says some not great things about the three offensive stars they chose to build around.
By the way, I didn't watch a ton of Orlando last year. So I didn't realize that Wendell both attempts more 3s per36 than Vuc and hits a higher % as well lol. And it goes without saying he grabs more orebs and get to the line a lot more.
Coby may superficially have the skillset to create threes, but his performance to date sure is sobering.
96% of his threes last season were assisted. Ninety-six percent!
Right, that's why I said he not currently doing it. If you look at his trajectory, he's had a smaller proportion of self-created 3s every year of his career. His highest was 25% his rookie year. I think getting back to that number would be quite doable for him as he hasn't become a worse ball handler, but he has become a better shooter in general.
My point is that it remains to be seen if he can shoot at anything like a high percentage when creating his own shot. There are plenty of players who can handle the ball and shoot well from deep who aren't very good shot creators. Or, put another way, it is far easier to shoot well when spotting up.
AK just reiterated those 'goals' from last year in today's media day
Sometimes I think about all these PhDs that tried and failed to get into FOs over the last decade's analytic revolution, and I think "Man, these orgs are so much smarter than they used to be". And then I'll actually listen to these guys talk about their teams at like media day or summer league and I'm like "Nonsense. Total nonsense. A dog could easily lead a team to 45 wins. And not like a border collie or something but a normal dog, dumb as shit dog."
Drinking game for media day - take shot everyone they say continuity
i'm waiting to see what the random phantom injury will be
Also they're going to spend a telling amount of time talking about other teams also being mid. East is right there for them (if you ignore the best teams...the ones they're also 'competitive' against...)
Malcolm Brogdon for Portlands own 1st ? He will be next to shipped out of Portland.
It'd have to include Lonzo, and I don't think the Bulls actually want to lose their get-out-of-contract-free lever next offseason
Ok Bulls, dump Lonzo for Brogdan!!! Both contacts are the same length. Portland making some nice moves. Surprised Celtics gave up Time Lord. More minutes for Luke Kornet when Zing and Horford get hurt?
I heard that on Sam veccenine podcast brodgon to bulls for lonzo and lightly protected 1st. Brodgon has injury issues but might we worth shot since they all in now.
I tried to give this FO the benefit of the doubt but their terrible. They run this team like some snotty Real GM poster, sneering as transactions are made all around them, constantly talking about the future but never preparing. They have zero plan. Zero ides how to put a vision together. I see this type of thing all the time in my job. The individual decisions are defensible.
Jrue is too pricey. Can't get back enough in a trade. Can't let vuc or Coby (and soon Pwill) go for nothing.
But altogether. It's nothing. Meaningless. No vision, no plan. Just a bunch of random basketball ideas that in the end keep you stuck in place. The new Wizards.
I love talking and preparing for the future. Probably too much. Anytime I see a team as constructed isn't going to lead to a championship, I'm like, let's tear it down for assets and build for something with true potential.
But as you intimated, they're talking about the future, but not actually doing anything for it. They have nothing going forward.
ok who's the guy who is super mad at KC Johnson?
I kinda get it more after his tweet today:
@KCJHoop
Celtics vs. Bucks will be fun.
AK is Shrugs MacKenzie
Hahahaha yes! Also, think about how crazy Spuds MacKenzie mania was. Kids were wearing Bud Light t-shirts with Spuds and women in bikinis to my school. America peaked at Spuds.
Quick opinion poll: Who is the most depressing team in major sports
1) the Bears
2) the Bulls
3) the White Sox
4) the Cubs
I actually think this thought exercise makes me feel better about the Bulls
I think it's the Sox, if it's not Oakland.
Gotta be rough as an Oakland fan so close to a successful fan base in San Francisco.
McCaskeys are giving the Reinsdorfs a run for their money tho. Whereas Jerry seems like an evil villain destined to punish his lowly subjects, the McCaskeys just seem way over their heads running e family business
We should also give an honorable mention to the Knicks. I think James Dolan has to be the most petty and vindictive owner in professional sports. It's bad enough that the Bulls have basically captured the local media; imagine if they were using facial recognition to keep the remaining critics out.
It's the Bears.
1. I don't watch baseball.
2. The Bears history is low key depressing.
So bad that if you asked bears fans who they'd take if they had the top 2 draft picks they'll likely say "who cares, well ruin them anyway"