LaVine's cosplaying as a superstar continues
Jesus, any more salt and I’ll have a heart attack!
I believe I'm on record that this is a lottery team regardless of whether Zach Lavine is on it or not. Who are they clearly better than? What matchup edge do the Bulls have? I don't think they beat Detroit the other night if Jalen Duren is healthy. Leave the names and past "glories" aside, there are maybe 5-6 rosters with less talent. Their most impactful player comes off the bench and said impact is made by putting forth full effort on defense. You'd think I was describing a high school team if you only read that last sentence.
I think swapping Zach for a competent PG would dramatically improve the team. My preference is a total teardown, but if they want to stay competitive (you know they do) getting rid of Zach and putting in someone who can actually run an offense is the way to go.
Just get rid of the guy for chump change. IDC anymore about him. I have never hated him and liked him to a point. But he is the problem.
Bulls trade Zach and get absolutely fleeced. They end up not really getting worse since Zach isn't a plus asset anyway. DeMar leaves after the season is over because he's sick of mediocrity. Lonzo comes back only for AK to find out he's no longer an NBA-caliber player due to his injuries. They re-sign Pat to a $150 million deal because they have nothing better to spend their money on. Vooch gets 20 shots a night and couldn't be happier despite the team being absolute dog shit. #DoubleDoubleMachine
Apologies in advance for coming here to dump all my trauma and cynicism but it's how I get through the day:
Which teams have a low level former All-Star, preferably past his prime with only 1-2 ASG selections under his belt? I'd start there. Probably throw in a wing who can't shoot. Plus they should be amenable to receiving a 1st round pick to take on Zach's contract. Or AK might throw in a pick anyway as an act of generosity. "Winning trades" is such an outdated capitalistic concept anyway.
Deal with Charlotte for Gordon Hayward? Try to get FVV from Houston? I'm thinking guys who are "a name" but not too big of a name.
I'm at the same conclusion. Especially after reading KC's tweet yesterday that seemingly bemoans the fact AKME inherited a rebuild and have stated repeatedly that their goal is "making the playoffs."
They're basically arguing that purgatory is better than hell with those aims, and I think they're comfortable enough with that premise to trade Zach for parts that may conceivably help them back-in to a play-in spot. Which is just--IDK--the worst.
I only know that AKME will get clowned. Every deal he's made has been bad. And this is coming from someone that liked the original Vooch deal! Back then I thought that the Bulls had two seasons to catch lightning in a bottle. If it didn't work, trade Vooch and recover some assets. I knew the Bulls wouldn't get back what they gave up. That was ok though. Take a shot. The only way the deal would go bad is if it obviously didn't work and then the Bulls resigned Vooch. #Welp. Truthfully, I didn't mind resigning Vooch, if the deal made sense. It wasn't about the dollars as much as the years. #Welp. AKME only makes bad deals. The LaVine deal will be another one.
That extension has to be one of the worse things in recent bulls lore
Can someone clarify so next years bulls pick in 2025 is top ten protected I think that goes to spurs from demar trade. So next year they should in lottery for cooper flag sweepstakes. But akme will want to stay mediocre anyways next season so Low odds in lottery.
Apparently attendance numbers are waaaay down. Hopefully Jerry realizes that we don’t want any version of this team anymore. Tanking sucks because losing a lot sucks, but if you get young, promising players and draft picks as a result, the fans will get behind that more than a first round exit playoff team going absolutely nowhere.
gosh, I'm just thinking through and knocking down more suitors the more I think about it
Memphis - makes sense now, but Bane's salary jumps to $35M next year
Nets - don't think LaVine considers himself 'under' Bridges, and they have Cam Thomas doing LaVine-lite for dirt cheap
Timberwolves - it's a new regime, and on-court it kinda fits, but Towns would have to be the one out, and I just don't think them or LaVine want a reunion
I like the Charlotte idea, we can acquire a felon or two and Zach can pursue his destiny of cycling through all of LaVar Ball's sons until he finds one that doesn't explode upon contact to sunlight.
The Wizards are tanking... Any way we could convince them to take Zach off our hands for Tyus Jones & whoever else?
1. The Bulls get a PG with potential (biggest need) and get rid of Zach (addition by subtraction).
2. The Wizards could make Zach happy by making him the focal point of the offense while he's there and promise to trade him at next year's deadline to a contender.
3. The Wizards get a flashy player who won't ruin their tankathon and might lose them some additional games with buzzer beating failures on both ends of the court.
I'll try to make these one per day...or one per hour
Pelicans idea https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-_XHuya0AA-iQt?format=jpg&name=large
McCollum is a worse and older LaVine, and have to wait out his recovery from...collapsed lung...but I don't see the Pelicans taking on Zach's contract without moving McCollum. It runs one less year and deescalates, so in 2025-26 $15M less than LaVine.
Threw in Vuc for Valencuinas because the latter is expiring, and let's face it CJ is bad money so they should take some back in Vuc (plus he's slightly better than Jonas)
And New Orleans has several picks and young players you can choose from. I have zero confidence Bulls would choose the right ones, but still.
They'd probably not offer their best goodies because LaVine doesn't solve their size/defense problems (and Vuc certainly wouldn't either), but I do think LaVine would be fine slotting behind Zion and Ingram. Or they trade Ingram for a better fit later, and this is a relatively cheap upgrade from CJ->Zach
Is Lavine the least successful player to ever demand a trade? Like, there is no interest. Is he dogging it? How do you claim to be the best player on the team and dog it when you're the one who the team is supposedly built around. He still hasn't gotten over the fact that Derozan was better than him the last two years.
I think the Heat deals make the most sense from the Bulls perspective as they can throw in young players (Herro, Jokic, Jaquez) and salary (Lowry, Robinson, Herro again) while having two first round picks to offer. Its basically a worse version of the deal Portland turned down. Is Miami really interested in Lavine? That is a lot of salary. I honestly would rather have Herro and Duncan Robinson than Lavine. Maybe I'm crazy.
The Lakers would have to wait to the 15th, but they could offer some combo of Rui, Reaves, DLo, Christie, Vanderbilt and their pick. I honestly think if the Bulls got Rui/Reaves and the Lakers got Lavine they would be worse and we'd be better. But the Bulls seem to be focused on staying competitive.
One thing I disagree with conventional wisdom on - people are like "the Bulls won't trade Lavine for multiple first round picks because they are foolishly trying to stay competitive." I think its the opposite, no one with a high pick is going to trade for Lavine and people aren't willing to give up multiple first round picks. We know Lavine's value is less than Beal's and look what Washington got for Beal. Having said that, two bad teams to keep an eye are Detroit and Charlotte. They have high priced vets and young disappointing players the Bulls could sell to someone as being significant. I think those 4 teams - Heat, lakers, Charlotte, Detroit are the market. Don't see the Grizz. I think the salaries in New Orleans make taking Lavine on pretty tough.