Giddey is an awful defender with career 52% ts%. Don't need to know anything else. He does some fancy passes but it doesn't matter. This is an absolute franchise breaking mistake. I would say at least we'll bottom out now but I think I'm just not following the team anymore
Wait... I think giddy is a good defender actually. The problem with giddy is the god awful shooting, but he's productive as a passer. There's potential there.... That said... If we aren't getting a pick back then this is a bad trade. Caruso is on the best contract in the Nba and was doing all the things we hope giddy can do... There was no need to trade unless we get picks back...
According to Bobby Marks, Dallas shot 60% from the field when Giddey was the primary defender. I don't think that's a fluke, that's exactly what Dallas wanted.
Trading for the 5th starter from a 50+ win team who is making less than $10M per season cannot be a franchise breaking mistake. We can disagree on the quality of the asset, but this is nowhere nearly as bad as re-signing Vuc, giving Zach the max, or even trading Lauri for a future pick that is nowhere near conveying...
it's literally worse than all those because Caruso was our single worthwhile asset. Contracts can be gotten rid of, we now have NO ability to not suck for years
I do think this return (if as bad as you suggest) is the most damaging thing they could do right now because as you said this is their one bullet. But not more damaging than their prior mistakes. Then again now they do have another positive asset in Josh Giddey. For another year, anyway.
Is Giddey a positive asset? He is due an extension. He was benched bc he wasn't playing good defensively and cant shoot. He didnt seem to gel well with the rest of a good young team and he has some off court issues. Whats the point of getting a wing that cant play defensive nor can shoot?
Agreed with The Walrus. He's not a positive asset. Thunder found a sucker and he's basically a salary dump. You have to pay him I'm sure an absurd amount of money now too. High chance he's a bad contract incoming.
I do agree with the latter but only because of ownership and management. It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities to have gotten picks, tanked this season and gotten a stud at the top of next year's draft that everyone agrees is stacked an been a fun playoff team
Yes we have to tank this year to not remain a 30 something win team until DeMar ages out, but the bounce back could have been fast. It will definitely not be now. Also all the quotes indicate that AKME think Giddey will bring an immediate improvement to the team. They're so lost they don't know which way is up
Cowley doesn't know shit, and even if he did it's coming from the people who failed to get the offer. This is like how GarPax got no additional picks in the Butler deal and every local media member was like "it's the trade market what can you ask for?"
I am not defending the franchise when I push back against the claim this paltry trade is a franchise breaking one. This barely moves the needle on the plight of the franchise and potentially improves their ability to participate in the draft next year.
Calling him the 5th starter is pretty funny when he had his minutes cut from 31 per game to 25 (not starter minutes), was benched when it counted, and Presti put out a statement saying he was going to be coming off the bench next year
WTF? Giddey has started 218 of the 220 career games he has appeared in counting the regular season and post season. I didnt say he played big minutes or anything, just that he was a important player (as a 21 year old) on a very good team.
But you are obviously missing my point that trading a 30 year old on expiring contract for a 21 year old prospect who was earning minutes does not constitute a franchise breaking move.
Fine it's not franchise breaking. But he was absolutely not an important player. Every metric that's out there shows he was a drag on their team not a positive. As soon as they were over 500 his minutes were getting cut and ended with him being benched and he was told he was going to come off the bench next year. Calling him a starter under those circumstances is ridiculous
I'm looking at some advanced metrics right now on b-r. He had a 1.8 VORP and a 0.4 DBPM last year. Sure, he was not a good fit alongside SGA, and sure he was not ready to play defense in the playoffs. But he was a strong contributor on a very good team last year.
we could have had Moody, TJD, a protected FRP and several SRP from the Warriors last year. Which is conceivably as many as 3 players who are better than Giddey
I saw a report that GS offered Moody and a 1st. We asked for Kuminga instead and GS said no. Nothing about Jackson-Davis though. I would be surprised if GS would have added him to the deal. Maybe instead of Moody?
I actually think a Coby and Giddey backcourt would be decent if the other three starters are good defenders, but I agree that the Bulls probably should have received some draft compensation too.
Most teams solve that problem with good defensive bigs. Obviously Vooch and Drummond didn't fit that archetype. If the rumors are true, AK seems to be wanting one this summer. Knowing AK, he'll probably sign Dwight Howard and call it a day.
Bobby Marks made a hilarious video about this. It's 9 minutes long. In the first two minutes he says Giddey will take over playmaking duties in Chicago, get the touches he didn't get in OKC, it will be okay. By the end of the video he is explaining what you just said here: Chicago will have to completely engineer their roster to cover up his ample weaknesses. He managed to talk himself out if it in less than 8 minutes.
Giddey does not play an NBA position. There's no position in the NBA where you can just pass and don't have to shoot or defend. Zero. I cannot name another PG in the league that shoots like that and doesn't play defense. So he learns how to do one of those things (and I don't know why we should think it's teachable here under Billy Donovan & Sons when it wasn't in OKC) or he just eats minutes on a bad team. You don't need to pay for that. Like they can go recruit some Antonio Blakeneys off the playground for that. Because of circumstances in OKC and what happened to him, his value was approaching zero. They were not going to extend him, I don't think they really wanted to enter training camp with him on the roster. You likely could have gotten him for nothing if you really wanted him. Bananas.
The more context you add to Giddey's stats, the worse it gets. Nearly all (2.7) of his 3.0 3ptA/game were categorized as "wide open," with no defender within 6 feet. He still only made 35% of those. (Caruso, by comparison, made 43% of his wide open 3s.) He took no tightly contested 3s, and shot 19% when a defender was 4 feet away.
Vucevic is somehow even worse: 3.7 "wide open" 3 point attempts/game and he shoots 30.5% on them.
These are two of the worst in the game. Factor in DeMar on top of it now.
You simply cannot put anything like this on the court at the same time, and that's totally leaving aside the defense. The Bulls traded a guy who became one of their best shooters last season for one of the worst in the league.
Totally agree, which is why I said I could see Coby and Giddey making a decent backcourt if the other three guys were good defenders.
Obviously Vooch and DeMar are not. They're also not good three point shooters, which won't go well with Giddey. Either AK is dumb (most likely) or he doesn't plan on having DeMar and Vooch on the team next year.
Ricky's write-up of Giddey makes him sound like a guard Vuc
>"Giddey has an excellent combination of size (6’8) and passing vision. He hits the glass hard as a rebounder, and has some skill in transition. The problem with Giddey is that he simply doesn’t threaten the defense much as a scorer whether he’s on or off the ball. He’s not just a bad outside shooter — he’s a reluctant one, too. Giddey often turned down open shots last season. Eventually, teams just stopped covering him in the halfcourt.
> Giddey also just doesn’t offer much power as a driver. He averaged only 2.2 free throw attempts per-36 minutes last season, a stunningly low number for a tall guard. His lack of speed and strength has always been a handicap, and the lack of improvement in his jump shot has made him almost unplayable in high leverage situations."
Lol you have to come up with a coherent vision of how your team is going to score. eFG%, ORB%, TOV%, FT/FGA. That is it. How do you expect this to work?
can't say it meant going all the way down to Giddey, but it is logical that asking price went down because Caruso is one step closer to free agency and one postseason run in his prime was wasted in Chicago
Giddey has been exposed. He can pass but his total lack of shooting basically negates any fancy passing. His defense isn't totally awful because he can leverage his size at times but he is not a good defender..
And this is a team that already desperately needed 3 point shooting and you add a guy who after multiple years in teh league has shown barely any improvement there. Even as an expiring, not much value there
OKC has a million 1st round picks.....Bulls couldn't make them come off one for a guy that was no longer in their long term plans.
it's not mentioned because that's not a lot of savings. OKC could've done this trade in July and sent back zero salary back to the Bulls. AKME must just really like Giddey as a player
The trade must be done in July as it does not work as reported in '23 - '24 fiscal season.
It may not be a lot of savings, but the Bulls are up against the tax if they resign Demar and retain P.Will - so even a small amount of savings could impact their future deals.
I think I'm just in shock their haven't been picks announced yet. I'd think we'd at least get a bad 1st.
On the positive side, I think Giddey's numbers from 2 years ago, when he and Shai split more of the offense is more indicative of the player the Bulls hope to get. 16 pts, 8reb, 6 ast. He did that in a fast paced offense. I have a hard time seeing how he plays with Vuc and DDR. No spacing, no pace.
So is this the equivalent of Rick Mirer or Jay Cutler?
Sam Presti clearly thought Giddey was a mistake. That a very supportive coach couldn't figure out how to play him with a starting lineup made up of absolute fucking unicorns is the most damning part of it all. I'm pretty sure that I could last a couple of possessions with SGA, Williams, Chet and and Lu Dort.
I don't mind kicking the tires on other teams' mistakes, we should absolutely do that in fact. We should absolutely not trade our best asset, a player that literally 29 other teams would kill for, for another team's mistake.
This was my first reaction but I've now come around on the idea that the player received in the trade isn't the problem, but the lack of picks. Even a single protected first rounder should have been table stakes for Caruso. Even more so with OKC since they have so many (too many!) picks. Meanwhile, the Bulls don't have a second rounder they can trade until 2029!
Imagine if you are Minnesota, Denver, Dallas or an LA team and you see the your conference rival is adding a playoff rotation player for essentially nothing. After this bloodbath in the Western Conference. You think they could leverage the sheer parity of the west to get a single pick. But what do I know.
That's what I don't get. If you put Alex Caruso in a folding chair in front of Buckingham Fountain holding a sign that says "give me your best offer" you would fetch a 1st round pick at a minimum.
Somehow, AK has convinced himself that a player who has no respect from his peers and didn't play meaningful playoff minutes is worth more. I'm so frustrated.
Not exaggerating, OKC has more picks than they can actually use. To come out of this trade without a pick is really unbullievable. Can you imagine if we lose our first rounder to San Antonio next draft?! DDR by himself in the weak East is probably good enough to avoid a bottom 10 showing. This team is in trouble.
I think the writing on the proverbial wall is that DeMar is gone...hopefully the Bulls can capture an asset when they move on from him, but I wouldnt count on it...
Thing is, it’s a rolling problem for the next several drafts. Losing our pick in 26 is gonna be just as bad, and maybe worse than losing it in 25 would be. Or 27. Or 28.
Trading your most popular player - a guy who wears his heart on his sleeve - for a guy who fell out of favor because he was grooming underage girls and could barely crack 12 mpg is all I need to know.
AK might be the worst GM/Pres. in the league. Caruso was your last legitimate trade chip - the last guy that every team in league saw as a valuable asset, and you traded him away for a quickly depreciating asset in Giddey.
Any other owner in sports would step in and can this buffoon. Reinsdorf is probably just silly drunk in his press box at Guaranteed Rate Field.
right I don't think Reinsdorf cares enough, and don't even buy the 'mandate for the playoffs' as anything but excuse-making.
because Caruso is a guy who generates fan interest and doesn't make a ton of money, that's someone Reinsdorf would insist on keeping if he was truly involved at that level. But it's the opposite: he cares so little he can't recognize that AK is overmatched
yeah I mean I'm pretty unforgiving toward pedos but the guy was 19 and there wasn't any actual evidence against him iirc. he's not karl malone. there are many other dudes who have done worse shit that do not get the treatment he did.
I want to understand. I really do. I see investment protection in an off-season where I may lose Lavine and Derozan. I can squint a bit, and see a lineup of Giddey, White, Derozan, Williams, and Capela (yes, I think that's a real thing), and it looks promising.
That said, moving off Caruso to OKC without a pick back is almost criminal. Certainly malpractice. Even a future pick would have been acceptable, at least for the sake of equity. I do not get it.
Giddey is an awful defender with career 52% ts%. Don't need to know anything else. He does some fancy passes but it doesn't matter. This is an absolute franchise breaking mistake. I would say at least we'll bottom out now but I think I'm just not following the team anymore
Wait... I think giddy is a good defender actually. The problem with giddy is the god awful shooting, but he's productive as a passer. There's potential there.... That said... If we aren't getting a pick back then this is a bad trade. Caruso is on the best contract in the Nba and was doing all the things we hope giddy can do... There was no need to trade unless we get picks back...
he got benched in the playoffs because he was getting picked on defensively. None of his advanced metrics show good defense
https://x.com/Itamar_17_10/status/1732786681986646496
According to Bobby Marks, Dallas shot 60% from the field when Giddey was the primary defender. I don't think that's a fluke, that's exactly what Dallas wanted.
Trading for the 5th starter from a 50+ win team who is making less than $10M per season cannot be a franchise breaking mistake. We can disagree on the quality of the asset, but this is nowhere nearly as bad as re-signing Vuc, giving Zach the max, or even trading Lauri for a future pick that is nowhere near conveying...
it's literally worse than all those because Caruso was our single worthwhile asset. Contracts can be gotten rid of, we now have NO ability to not suck for years
I do think this return (if as bad as you suggest) is the most damaging thing they could do right now because as you said this is their one bullet. But not more damaging than their prior mistakes. Then again now they do have another positive asset in Josh Giddey. For another year, anyway.
Or until he plays and turns out he sucks in the bulls "system"
Is Giddey a positive asset? He is due an extension. He was benched bc he wasn't playing good defensively and cant shoot. He didnt seem to gel well with the rest of a good young team and he has some off court issues. Whats the point of getting a wing that cant play defensive nor can shoot?
Agreed with The Walrus. He's not a positive asset. Thunder found a sucker and he's basically a salary dump. You have to pay him I'm sure an absurd amount of money now too. High chance he's a bad contract incoming.
Hyperbole much? Jeez...the Bulls have other assets and they were likely to suck for years regardless of this trade.
I do agree with the latter but only because of ownership and management. It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities to have gotten picks, tanked this season and gotten a stud at the top of next year's draft that everyone agrees is stacked an been a fun playoff team
Joe Cowley said on the radio that No One was offering a '25 first round pick for Caruso...
So the Bulls need to suck next season in order to retain their own first round pick in what is a stacked class...
Yes we have to tank this year to not remain a 30 something win team until DeMar ages out, but the bounce back could have been fast. It will definitely not be now. Also all the quotes indicate that AKME think Giddey will bring an immediate improvement to the team. They're so lost they don't know which way is up
Cowley doesn't know shit, and even if he did it's coming from the people who failed to get the offer. This is like how GarPax got no additional picks in the Butler deal and every local media member was like "it's the trade market what can you ask for?"
I just don’t get how you defend this franchise so often. How? They could have gotten more. They were offered more and turned down more.
I am not defending the franchise when I push back against the claim this paltry trade is a franchise breaking one. This barely moves the needle on the plight of the franchise and potentially improves their ability to participate in the draft next year.
That tiny little bullet can't be what killed that big strong man!
Calling him the 5th starter is pretty funny when he had his minutes cut from 31 per game to 25 (not starter minutes), was benched when it counted, and Presti put out a statement saying he was going to be coming off the bench next year
WTF? Giddey has started 218 of the 220 career games he has appeared in counting the regular season and post season. I didnt say he played big minutes or anything, just that he was a important player (as a 21 year old) on a very good team.
But you are obviously missing my point that trading a 30 year old on expiring contract for a 21 year old prospect who was earning minutes does not constitute a franchise breaking move.
Fine it's not franchise breaking. But he was absolutely not an important player. Every metric that's out there shows he was a drag on their team not a positive. As soon as they were over 500 his minutes were getting cut and ended with him being benched and he was told he was going to come off the bench next year. Calling him a starter under those circumstances is ridiculous
I'm looking at some advanced metrics right now on b-r. He had a 1.8 VORP and a 0.4 DBPM last year. Sure, he was not a good fit alongside SGA, and sure he was not ready to play defense in the playoffs. But he was a strong contributor on a very good team last year.
If he was a strong contributor why was he only playing 25mpg after playing 30+ his first 2 years?
Not even one of OKC’s numerous draft picks. This is borderline indefensible. I’m glad that I don’t watch more than a few Bulls games anymore.
Yeah the Thunder have SO MANY firsts you'd think AK could do what is done to him every damned time and get them to give up a little extra
also I don't understand why if there's no 2024 picks involved then why does the deal have to get done before the draft?
Haha. Why did the Bulls make a trade so soon!!
Not borderline.
So what. Giddey is 21 and a better prospect than any draft pick the Bulls could have gotten.
Seems lopsided. I’m not sure how Giddey is the best we could get.
we could have had Moody, TJD, a protected FRP and several SRP from the Warriors last year. Which is conceivably as many as 3 players who are better than Giddey
I saw a report that GS offered Moody and a 1st. We asked for Kuminga instead and GS said no. Nothing about Jackson-Davis though. I would be surprised if GS would have added him to the deal. Maybe instead of Moody?
I actually think a Coby and Giddey backcourt would be decent if the other three starters are good defenders, but I agree that the Bulls probably should have received some draft compensation too.
who is guarding point guards though? Quick guards would carve that backcourt up
Most teams solve that problem with good defensive bigs. Obviously Vooch and Drummond didn't fit that archetype. If the rumors are true, AK seems to be wanting one this summer. Knowing AK, he'll probably sign Dwight Howard and call it a day.
So we solve this problem by having a completely different roster. Nice.
Bobby Marks made a hilarious video about this. It's 9 minutes long. In the first two minutes he says Giddey will take over playmaking duties in Chicago, get the touches he didn't get in OKC, it will be okay. By the end of the video he is explaining what you just said here: Chicago will have to completely engineer their roster to cover up his ample weaknesses. He managed to talk himself out if it in less than 8 minutes.
Giddey does not play an NBA position. There's no position in the NBA where you can just pass and don't have to shoot or defend. Zero. I cannot name another PG in the league that shoots like that and doesn't play defense. So he learns how to do one of those things (and I don't know why we should think it's teachable here under Billy Donovan & Sons when it wasn't in OKC) or he just eats minutes on a bad team. You don't need to pay for that. Like they can go recruit some Antonio Blakeneys off the playground for that. Because of circumstances in OKC and what happened to him, his value was approaching zero. They were not going to extend him, I don't think they really wanted to enter training camp with him on the roster. You likely could have gotten him for nothing if you really wanted him. Bananas.
The more context you add to Giddey's stats, the worse it gets. Nearly all (2.7) of his 3.0 3ptA/game were categorized as "wide open," with no defender within 6 feet. He still only made 35% of those. (Caruso, by comparison, made 43% of his wide open 3s.) He took no tightly contested 3s, and shot 19% when a defender was 4 feet away.
Vucevic is somehow even worse: 3.7 "wide open" 3 point attempts/game and he shoots 30.5% on them.
These are two of the worst in the game. Factor in DeMar on top of it now.
You simply cannot put anything like this on the court at the same time, and that's totally leaving aside the defense. The Bulls traded a guy who became one of their best shooters last season for one of the worst in the league.
Totally agree, which is why I said I could see Coby and Giddey making a decent backcourt if the other three guys were good defenders.
Obviously Vooch and DeMar are not. They're also not good three point shooters, which won't go well with Giddey. Either AK is dumb (most likely) or he doesn't plan on having DeMar and Vooch on the team next year.
I live Caruso's game, but we sold high on him. That said, I am happy he is going to a contender and I hope he does well there.
I love how the headline is “Player traded” without saying who because indeed, any player traded would be news.
Giddey and Vuc are going to combine for 30 FGAs and 3 FTAs per game lol.
Ricky's write-up of Giddey makes him sound like a guard Vuc
>"Giddey has an excellent combination of size (6’8) and passing vision. He hits the glass hard as a rebounder, and has some skill in transition. The problem with Giddey is that he simply doesn’t threaten the defense much as a scorer whether he’s on or off the ball. He’s not just a bad outside shooter — he’s a reluctant one, too. Giddey often turned down open shots last season. Eventually, teams just stopped covering him in the halfcourt.
> Giddey also just doesn’t offer much power as a driver. He averaged only 2.2 free throw attempts per-36 minutes last season, a stunningly low number for a tall guard. His lack of speed and strength has always been a handicap, and the lack of improvement in his jump shot has made him almost unplayable in high leverage situations."
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2024/6/20/24182742/alex-caruso-trade-grades-josh-giddey-chicago-bulls-oklahoma-city-thunder
Lol you have to come up with a coherent vision of how your team is going to score. eFG%, ORB%, TOV%, FT/FGA. That is it. How do you expect this to work?
If that trade offer during the season for Caruso for multiple first rnd picks was true then how do you suddenly go from that to giddey???
can't say it meant going all the way down to Giddey, but it is logical that asking price went down because Caruso is one step closer to free agency and one postseason run in his prime was wasted in Chicago
That's fair enough, it seems like a big drop though
Why?
Giddey has been exposed. He can pass but his total lack of shooting basically negates any fancy passing. His defense isn't totally awful because he can leverage his size at times but he is not a good defender..
And this is a team that already desperately needed 3 point shooting and you add a guy who after multiple years in teh league has shown barely any improvement there. Even as an expiring, not much value there
OKC has a million 1st round picks.....Bulls couldn't make them come off one for a guy that was no longer in their long term plans.
I just can't see the point of this trade at all
My first thought is that
1. They didn't get enough for Caruso and
2. Giddey and DeRozan are a horrible on court fit.
It's a move that requires follow up moves.
or a good PR campaign in training camp that the fit will be schemed away
See you in Nashville!
Bulls PR campaign: "Lock up your Daughters, Josh Giddey is here!"
I think AKME thinks Giddey fills the Lonzo Ball void that cruelly voided his brilliantly-constructed roster.
They are still chasing a team that was pretty good for about half a season.
I didnt see this mentioned elsewhere, but assuming this move is a '24-'25 deal, it saves the Bulls $1.5M against the cap/tax...
#financialchamps
hah! Great catch! "How does this help the bottom line?" is a Tyger Truism.
it's not mentioned because that's not a lot of savings. OKC could've done this trade in July and sent back zero salary back to the Bulls. AKME must just really like Giddey as a player
The trade must be done in July as it does not work as reported in '23 - '24 fiscal season.
It may not be a lot of savings, but the Bulls are up against the tax if they resign Demar and retain P.Will - so even a small amount of savings could impact their future deals.
0 for 2, Dansby Swanson
I think I'm just in shock their haven't been picks announced yet. I'd think we'd at least get a bad 1st.
On the positive side, I think Giddey's numbers from 2 years ago, when he and Shai split more of the offense is more indicative of the player the Bulls hope to get. 16 pts, 8reb, 6 ast. He did that in a fast paced offense. I have a hard time seeing how he plays with Vuc and DDR. No spacing, no pace.
So is this the equivalent of Rick Mirer or Jay Cutler?
Sam Presti clearly thought Giddey was a mistake. That a very supportive coach couldn't figure out how to play him with a starting lineup made up of absolute fucking unicorns is the most damning part of it all. I'm pretty sure that I could last a couple of possessions with SGA, Williams, Chet and and Lu Dort.
I don't mind kicking the tires on other teams' mistakes, we should absolutely do that in fact. We should absolutely not trade our best asset, a player that literally 29 other teams would kill for, for another team's mistake.
Sam Presti just pulled off a heist.
This was my first reaction but I've now come around on the idea that the player received in the trade isn't the problem, but the lack of picks. Even a single protected first rounder should have been table stakes for Caruso. Even more so with OKC since they have so many (too many!) picks. Meanwhile, the Bulls don't have a second rounder they can trade until 2029!
Karnisovas definitely has a type:
1. Troy Brown Jr
2. Dalen Terry
3. Josh Giddey
I'm not sure why he's fixated on big-ish guards who can pass but can't fucking shoot but he's acquired one damn near every year he's been here.
Sure. Tom took the words right out of my mouth: you could have just sent an email:
From: art.karni@bulls.com
Subject: Caruso is available
To: everyone@nba.com
Body: (no message)
And you would have gotten more, and probably 2 or 3 teams you could leverage against one another.
Instead, Karnisovas somehow made a trade with a team with 3,000 draft picks and apparently didn't get any.
Right... if it was like 2 of OKC's 112 FRPs, and Giddey to make the salary work, that'd be great. This... fucking sucks ass.
Imagine if you are Minnesota, Denver, Dallas or an LA team and you see the your conference rival is adding a playoff rotation player for essentially nothing. After this bloodbath in the Western Conference. You think they could leverage the sheer parity of the west to get a single pick. But what do I know.
That's what I don't get. If you put Alex Caruso in a folding chair in front of Buckingham Fountain holding a sign that says "give me your best offer" you would fetch a 1st round pick at a minimum.
Somehow, AK has convinced himself that a player who has no respect from his peers and didn't play meaningful playoff minutes is worth more. I'm so frustrated.
Presti fucking owns the Bulls no matter whom our GM is.
Not exaggerating, OKC has more picks than they can actually use. To come out of this trade without a pick is really unbullievable. Can you imagine if we lose our first rounder to San Antonio next draft?! DDR by himself in the weak East is probably good enough to avoid a bottom 10 showing. This team is in trouble.
I think the writing on the proverbial wall is that DeMar is gone...hopefully the Bulls can capture an asset when they move on from him, but I wouldnt count on it...
Thing is, it’s a rolling problem for the next several drafts. Losing our pick in 26 is gonna be just as bad, and maybe worse than losing it in 25 would be. Or 27. Or 28.
Trading your most popular player - a guy who wears his heart on his sleeve - for a guy who fell out of favor because he was grooming underage girls and could barely crack 12 mpg is all I need to know.
AK might be the worst GM/Pres. in the league. Caruso was your last legitimate trade chip - the last guy that every team in league saw as a valuable asset, and you traded him away for a quickly depreciating asset in Giddey.
Any other owner in sports would step in and can this buffoon. Reinsdorf is probably just silly drunk in his press box at Guaranteed Rate Field.
right I don't think Reinsdorf cares enough, and don't even buy the 'mandate for the playoffs' as anything but excuse-making.
because Caruso is a guy who generates fan interest and doesn't make a ton of money, that's someone Reinsdorf would insist on keeping if he was truly involved at that level. But it's the opposite: he cares so little he can't recognize that AK is overmatched
Hey we get it, you don't like this trade. No need to tell wrong shit about the guy though. He did not groom underage girls as you put it.
yeah I mean I'm pretty unforgiving toward pedos but the guy was 19 and there wasn't any actual evidence against him iirc. he's not karl malone. there are many other dudes who have done worse shit that do not get the treatment he did.
I want to understand. I really do. I see investment protection in an off-season where I may lose Lavine and Derozan. I can squint a bit, and see a lineup of Giddey, White, Derozan, Williams, and Capela (yes, I think that's a real thing), and it looks promising.
That said, moving off Caruso to OKC without a pick back is almost criminal. Certainly malpractice. Even a future pick would have been acceptable, at least for the sake of equity. I do not get it.