Open Game Thread #78: Bulls at Orlando Magic
Go Magic, Go Bobcats.
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wow
by tyrus4prez on Apr 9, 2008 6:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ha, i was gonna say the same thing
by MarketMaker on Apr 9, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yea. . .
by AGBallinisaHabit on Apr 10, 2008 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This thread looks like a ghost city
by bull83 on Apr 9, 2008 7:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy crow
by Freethefro on Apr 9, 2008 7:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why don't the Bulls start tanking?
by Big D on Apr 9, 2008 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
boylan
by Jaina on Apr 9, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
by Jaina on Apr 9, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am pretty sure
by bullshooter on Apr 9, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then fire Boylan
by Big D on Apr 9, 2008 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even
by Jaina on Apr 9, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least it's easier to listen to Orlando guys
by wjb1492 on Apr 9, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
many announcers
worst are boston, since i always have to put up with em living here, and most teams have generic-accent announcers, but no, not boston, they MUST have boston accents!!! so grating. and now they're not only annoying, they're cocky on top of it.
by Jaina on Apr 9, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tommy-award to Jaina
Others following in the foot steps of legendary homer Chick Hearn must include Red Kerr, and those two wankers from Memphis.
Although grating to listen to, the Heat's announcers don't mince words. I especially enjoyed their public sentiment that the Bulls should be "embarrassed by [the] loss" in Monday's game. One pleasant surprise from that broadcast was when Zo (Morning) sat in during the third quarter. He was/is extremely articulate and expressed his knowledge for all aspects of the game very well. I expect to see/hear more of him once he files his papers.
In light of the Bull's performance, Gooks made the broadcast tolerable enough to keep my wife from switching over to her "Dancing with the Stars" tivo.
Who might be the Bull's next announcer be once Kerr sucks his last on-air lolly? Maybe he and Heinsohn should square off in an off-season one-on-one game, loser retires.
by VivaLosToros on Apr 10, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was Charlotte Blogcat
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 10, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on the flipside
by bullshooter on Apr 10, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha thanks
the miami people were grating for sure... best part was by far alonzo, because then the other guys weren't talking, and plus as you said he was articulate and also has a pleasant voice.
by Jaina on Apr 10, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
by tyrus4prez on Apr 9, 2008 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm quite honestly
by jpchi on Apr 9, 2008 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wtf was with the last shot?
by Jaina on Apr 9, 2008 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I really thought they would play better tonight
by bullshooter on Apr 9, 2008 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What the bleep is Boylan thinking?
by shoryuken on Apr 9, 2008 7:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the video feed is about a minute behind
by bullshooter on Apr 9, 2008 7:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Deng!
by cranscape on Apr 9, 2008 7:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great call violet
by piccolomair on Apr 9, 2008 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh no!
by bull83 on Apr 9, 2008 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Boylan's timeout peptalk:
Tanking security : Playing Tyrus Thomas at center against Dwight Howard. Not as obvious as using Noc at center, but darn close.
by RogersPark Kris on Apr 9, 2008 8:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh charlotte is close..
by BG74EVER on Apr 9, 2008 8:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
More Boylan Logic
by shoryuken on Apr 9, 2008 8:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Boylan = Wet Blanket
by cranscape on Apr 9, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
check out the plus minus for the game
by bullshooter on Apr 9, 2008 8:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, Kirk
by sue369 on Apr 9, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol - Kirk was guaranteed a decent night
It's probably for the best, though. I'm sure there was plenty to piss me off in between.
by wjb1492 on Apr 9, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
Not that I put much faith into the +/- system, but when you only have ONE player with + rating, you probably should play him for more than 25 minutes.... And you probably shouldn't bench him the entire 4th quarter.
I wish i was a post game interview reporter. So many many many questions....
by shoryuken on Apr 9, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boylan had
by sue369 on Apr 9, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Kirk had 9 pts in the 3rd quarter
by shoryuken on Apr 9, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet
by sue369 on Apr 9, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I think Paxon gave the order
by shoryuken on Apr 9, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus was guarding Howard ...
by Prevenge on Apr 9, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give boylan too much credit?
by piccolomair on Apr 9, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-42 in barely over 24 minutes!
by wjb1492 on Apr 9, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That +/- is some serious bullsh!t......
Arroyo had a +43, but do you mean to tell me he had more of an impact on the game than Howard who had a +30?
Deng had a 0 and look how shitty he played.
Fu@k that +/- shit. I want some damn wins (well, not really at this point so we can get ping pong balls, but I just want guys who are gonna get out there and ball).
by lexdiamonds0730 on Apr 9, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+/- has absolutely nothing to do with fantasy
Feel free to stick to your "eyeball" test - most of the stats geeks do the same and use stats to confirm or round out their opinions based on what they actually saw. It doesn't have to be one or the other, you know.
by wjb1492 on Apr 9, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whatever nerd
by hscs on Apr 9, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I'm too busy doing my stats homework
by wjb1492 on Apr 9, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are blog readers.
by cranscape on Apr 9, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hate to self promote
by hscs on Apr 9, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jameer Nelson makes me nervous
Is Augustin too small?
by alec on Apr 9, 2008 9:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You know, other than Rose,
by wjb1492 on Apr 9, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Small PGs do not do well in the NBA
by shoryuken on Apr 9, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
considering point guards are small by nature
by hscs on Apr 9, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are forgetting about....
Stoudamire's cumulative stats as a Raptor:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=stoudda01&y1=19 98
by lexdiamonds0730 on Apr 9, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah!
by shoryuken on Apr 9, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MAN.....
We had better not give Deng 50 million dollars. My gut tells me that both he and Gordon will receive an offer from someone that exceed that amount though and I'm not sure we should match with either (although if you held my feet to the fire then I'd match Gordon before Deng because this guy simply isn't the impact guy we need him to be on this team). But in truth we made HUGE contract mistakes and I understand why Gordon and Deng turned down the 50 mil. If Hinrich and Noc can get paid they figured they could too. Gordon is a better pure pro than Hinrich and Deng is a better pure pro than Nocioni so they figure they are worth substantially more. Bottom line is we are just up shit creek!!
by lexdiamonds0730 on Apr 9, 2008 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The team quit a long time ago
This season can't end fast enough.
by RogersPark Kris on Apr 9, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I ain't judging them based on now.
I remember looking on here early in the season and telling people we cannot start this losing early in the season again and people continued to say, "We always start slowly". Bull!!! We have been garbage. You can't win championships playing like we have the past couple years. We need more efficient players with higher skill levels. No one can deny that over the past couple years we have had to work FAR too hard for victories.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Apr 9, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love/Donte Greene/Deandre Jordan/Chase Budinger
I like a bit of what each brings to the table, but I'm so desperate for a superstar that I don't know what to do. In truth, I like Greene and Budinger. I think both these guys will be 20ppg guys in the NBA at some point. I LOVE kevin Love. I see kevin mchale all over again. I don't know much about Jordan, but I really don't care for guys who still have so far to go ino order to be offensively efficient....and I really don't want another LSU forward. Why take another one when we already have one?
Who do you guys like?
by lexdiamonds0730 on Apr 9, 2008 9:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"I see kevin mchale all over again."
by hscs on Apr 9, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit, I do see that type of player!!!
But I'll take either of the guys I mentioned above...except the LSU forward Randolph...LOL.
by lexdiamonds0730 on Apr 9, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or he could be the next *gulp* Michael Sweetney
by shoryuken on Apr 9, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 9, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin McHale. 6'10'' 210 lbs.
by alec on Apr 9, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A short Brad Miller.
by tyger1147 on Apr 10, 2008 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a shorter Evan Eschmeyer
A betweeny Eaton!
A pint-sized Shawn Bradley!
A meatier Bird!
A lovable Tom Chambers!
by hscs on Apr 10, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A tall Twyman for these times!
Wraparound shades of Bob Pettit!
by hscs on Apr 10, 2008 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we might have to scratch
by alec on Apr 10, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
K.Love
by Stay Chisel on Apr 10, 2008 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chase Budinger...
This is a guy who won the McDonald's All American Slam Dunk Competition, and yet was so soft (afraid to take it to the hole) at Arizona.
Obviously he possesses great physical gifts. but if he's soft at U of A, what do you think he'll do in the NBA?
I probably watched every U of A game this year, and this guy just never got it going with any consistency. Bayless came in and took over a leadership role (even though Budinger is a sophomore), but as soon as Bayless got hurt for a stretch (or even when Nick Wise went down), the Cats just seemd to crumble under the pressure.
He's probably leaving because the Cats will be awful without Bayless next year (Brandon Jennings not withstanding).
He'd do well on a team as a sixth man, but the Bulls can do better with their pick.
Now Bayless however would be a solid pick (except the Bulls already have Gordon, who is pretty much a carbon copy).
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 10, 2008 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Promote Paxson
by exult463 on Apr 9, 2008 10:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MVP Awards go to........
Violet Palmer...NBA Title 9 Referee of the Year
Chicago Bulls...NBA 4th Quarter Comeback Team of the Year
Aaron Gray...Johnnie "Red" Kerr Rookie of the Year
Tyrus Thomas...Chicago Bulls Fan Favorite Most Hated by Coaches and Fellow Teamates of the Year
Andreus Nocioni...Provider of Best Highlight of the Year..(for throwing a towel at Boylan)
Joachim Noah...Best Comment of the Year (for asking Ron Adams how many championships has he won?)
Chris Duhon...Best Bulls Point Guard of the Year...actually he is their only point guard
John Paxson...Executive of the Year for having the foresight to retain Jim Boylan so that the young players can develop to their fullest under his tutilage
Ben Gordon/Larry Hughes...Bulls Team Players of the Year
Luol Deng...Best Bulls performer of the year when the game is not on the line.
Kirk Hinrich...Most colorful whiner of the year. Andreus Nocioni was a very close second.
And finally to the entire Bulls Organization for achieving more than one two game winning streak over a short 82 game season.
Are there any others that I missed fellow sufferers.
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 9, 2008 10:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Awards (continued)
The American Foundation of the Blind have just named Jim Boylan their Man of the Year. He is the first sighted recipient of this prestigious award but was a runaway winner, being the first NBA coach to go almost an entire season making decisions and calling plays with his head firmly stuck up his ass, thus qualifying for the trophy.
and
Ben Wallace, although not finishing the season was still the winner the Chicago Bulls
Offensive Player of the Year, Can any fan think of a player who was more offensive than Big Ben?
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 9, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're doing well in this race to the bottom
by cubbybear on Apr 9, 2008 10:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh
by piccolomair on Apr 9, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess after what we did
by alec on Apr 9, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like a reverse arms race
Little do they know, they are going against masters of surprising ineptitude!
by cubbybear on Apr 9, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The scary thing . . .
by Big D on Apr 9, 2008 10:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"We give up!"
These guys are thinking about their golf games. The organization should withhold 8.5% of their salary - that's 7 games worth of quitting starting with Tuesday's Heat game. Maybe they can dole it out to the season ticket holders. Their effort level in these 2 games makes sick. Sadly, it's been a season long trend.
Best thing about this game was that they used a patented -20 4th quarter in a game they were already out of. You know, instead of saving it for one they were winning.
I'm going to the game Friday against the Cavs. This was supposed to be a big-time showdown when I bought the tix; what a difference 8 months makes. Should I bring:
- a paper bag for my head, or
- a sign that reads "Don't Quit Yet! We paid for these seats!"
by mdmnd9294 on Apr 9, 2008 10:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe both
by cubbybear on Apr 9, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus...
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 9, 2008 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's been games this week?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 9, 2008 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't the point to get him to get better
by cubbybear on Apr 9, 2008 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying...
I'm not saying he's a bust, but I don't think we should count on him to carry the team (or even start) next year either.
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 10, 2008 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
against miami
last night though he had 10 pts, 6 rebounds, and 5 blocks in 26 minutes, against a team with dwight howard.
not so bad. he's a young guy. he's going to have his ups and downs. i'm glad he's getting this chance.
the orlando guys said he was avging about 11 pts as a starter, which isn't too shabby at this point.
by Jaina on Apr 10, 2008 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 blocks is impressive.
I don't think he sucks, I just don't think he's good enough to be a starter. And what's worse is when HE thinks he should be a starter.
We'll see how next season shakes out, but I would expect more shenanigans from TT (and a few other Bulls too). No reason to think otherwise really.
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 10, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
these games are beyond pointless
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 10, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's how I see it as well.
by cranscape on Apr 10, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's his excuse then trade him now...
He probably hasn't played well because (here's the shocker) he's really not that good.
Either way, you really should consider changing the name of this blog to acurately reflect the multitude of Tyrus Thomas excuses made.
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 10, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't seem to get it.
by cranscape on Apr 10, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually his last 4 games...
But whatever you need to tell yourself to keep your man crush in tact is fine.
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 10, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
by cranscape on Apr 10, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
Personally I'd like to see Luol stay, but I agree that Gordon's points will be difficult/impossible to fill on this current roster.
It sucks both ways.
TT however will be here for the next two years if they want him.
Ugh.
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 10, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a woman,
by AGBallinisaHabit on Apr 10, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sexiest, huh?
by California Al on Apr 11, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pointless...good point.
However, there is a slight statistical advantage in having the 8th vs. the 9th seed, in that the 8th seed can only fall back as far as the 10th pick, while the 9th could fall back to the 11th.
That's what we're playing for here, folks...that, and some actual court time for Tyrus. I can't think of what else.
by alec on Apr 10, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing you got your info...
by tyger1147 on Apr 10, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look off this instead
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 10, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see. Thanks.
by alec on Apr 10, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their table is for last year...
by tyger1147 on Apr 10, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
And I think there's one thing that Tyrus has told us emphatically this year and that is that Tyrus is a 3 and not a 4. The Bulls can say he should be a 4 all they want, and they probably will, but if a guy is a 3, or a hybrid 3/4 at best, realize it while you can still develop that talent.
by messwiththebull on Apr 10, 2008 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, you so had me
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 10, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say...
by tyger1147 on Apr 10, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus has been a prime offender
Maybe Pax will answer the inevitable question this summer with, "I wouldn't quite use the term 'bust', but I have to admit that Tyrus is not playing to the level we expected when we drafted him. And I'm only admitting this publicly in the hope that he gets pissed off enough to be motivated to meet or exceed those expectations."
by mdmnd9294 on Apr 9, 2008 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't Give Up
Never say die. It ain't over till its over and the Bulls are just unlucky enough to start winning now so they can move down the ladder in the draft, just like the hapless Bears did last year.
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 9, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully ...
But this time, they have to lose by 2.
by Prevenge on Apr 9, 2008 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not giving up...
Now that I think about it - I have given up on this year, just not the Cavs game. I'll never discount "The Corpse Factor".
Besides, this is still the same team that man-handled the Jazz in the UC last month. So they're capable of pretty much anything but consistency.
by mdmnd9294 on Apr 9, 2008 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Lebron James
Let's do that trade!
by cubbybear on Apr 9, 2008 11:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Even better idea!
by NittanyBull on Apr 9, 2008 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noah getting 5 fouls
But Boylan, you jackass, you still don't get it.
Look, one of two things is happening here. Either Boylan is exercising his world renowned discretion and playing the veterans in meaningless minutes, and thus sacrificing valuable PT for Noah/Thomas/Sefolosha/Simmons/ Nichols/Brown (where the hell was Brown anyway?) Or he was doing what Pax told him to do, in which case Paxson is just a jackass.
Interesting angle on Duhon getting some burn, by the way: in Marcus Fizer's last game as a Bull, everyone, even the kids riding tricycles at halftime, knew that Fizer's days as a Bull were over. The Bulls played Fizer like 39 minutes and called iso after iso for him. He ended up with like 32 points.
By playing him that much the organization was making a nice gesture, and I see their treatment of Duhon the same way.
It is sad, though, how pathetic the whole situation is. Now it's worse, because we have not one, but at least 3 players in Fizer's position (Du, BG and Deng).
by bullhockey on Apr 10, 2008 12:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hahahaha!
by BiNgO on Apr 10, 2008 9:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
our only hope now is that david stern rigs
I haven't really been able to watch these past couple games because of my job, and the early east coast games, but i am glad i have been missing them. I am still shocked at how poorly this team has played this year, and what a terrible coach boylan is. If only the pacers hired him, maybe things would have been different for this bulls team post-skiles.
glad to see noah taking the reigns, however, and speaking out against the shitty way this team has played all year. i would expect him to be one of the captains next year. It would be well deserved, him and thabo have been the only bright spots in this dark and sad season.
by Conor on Apr 10, 2008 12:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, David Stern's master plan
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 10, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well his master plan worked then
And it all started when David Stern rigged the Lottery so the Spurs could draft Duncan, and Robinson could then mentor him and turn him into what he is today.
case closed
by Conor on Apr 10, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, an open and shut case.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 10, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
glad to see you come
unrelated question, but who would like to see the bulls draft? Whose game are you liking?
by Conor on Apr 10, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, I've come to my senses
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 10, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dammit
thats why i said case closed, hoping you would pick up on mine.
sarcasm over the computer is hard
by Conor on Apr 10, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Claiming the lottery was rigged for the Knicks to
by snley on Apr 10, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is it so out of the question that the lottery
by Conor on Apr 10, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry snley, i didnt mean for that
obviously, i have no proof of rigging, i was just making a joke, but regardless, it is interesting to speculate. I think stern may have rigged it for the spurs for the same reason you said he may have rigged it for the magic when they swapped for penny. To give robinson a worthy teammate that could take them to the top.
also, the NBA has had an image problem for the past ten or so years, and the team that has won 4 rings in the time span hasn't had any problems concerning player image. stand up guys who dont get arrested or beat their wives. Stephen jackson was the one guy, and didnt last too long in San Antonio. Maybe thats what stern wanted. A championship caliber team that doesnt have a bunch of dbags.
by Conor on Apr 10, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A David Robinson injury
by tyrus4prez on Apr 10, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except the celtics didnt know their ass from their
how can anyone argue with how it has worked out if the lottery was rigged for the spurs??? if stern did indeed wanted duncan to pair up with David Robison to create a winning environment for a small market team (the only truly successful small market team in any pro sport during the past decade besides the florida marlins) the plan worked.
by Conor on Apr 10, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's the criteria,
by wjb1492 on Apr 10, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are probably right
by Conor on Apr 10, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a pretty high bar for excellence you're
by snley on Apr 10, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
last time i checked
thats where the bar should always be
by Conor on Apr 10, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest motivation
by jpchi on Apr 10, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats true
by Conor on Apr 10, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, yeah
by jpchi on Apr 10, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys are both wrong
by bullshooter on Apr 10, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that.
Reminds me a bit of college. When they want something from you they are a community. When you want something from them they are an institution. It isn't surprising players go for money and have super egos. They are working for a business and treated like it so they have to take what they can get when they can get it.
by cranscape on Apr 10, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best route to a championship is to
by snley on Apr 10, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, I thought we were all being sarcastic.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 10, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was kidding about the rigged lottery
by Conor on Apr 10, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How bad are the Bulls?
- Rose and Beasely don't strike me as Duncan level talents.
- And we don't have anyone that's a David Robinson level talent in the first place.
by Sports2 on Apr 10, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose
by exult463 on Apr 10, 2008 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense, take the second and third best
by snley on Apr 10, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the Bulls
But too bad for the Bulls, Brand wasn't the high impact player that Tim Duncan was. To put it mildly.
I'd guess you only get one conspiracy-theory-inducing freebie at #1 overall every few decades.
Unless you're the Orlando Magic.
by bullhockey on Apr 10, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what a waste...
by bullzfan148 on Apr 10, 2008 4:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
do you commute from Springfield
by bullshooter on Apr 10, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
please, let nobody
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 10, 2008 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way,
...yeah, you're welcome.
by bullhockey on Apr 11, 2008 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More Plus/Minus stats from a nerdy fan
These stats reflect the past 14 games, a period I chose because TT started his horrific shooting slump at that time, yet it didn't seem to hurt the team overall. Now that he has started, his numbers have entered negative territory along with everyone else with the exception of Johnny Kerr's favorite slow footed white man, Aaron Gray.
Here they are. For those who think this is a worthless stat please skip them so you can rationalize your positions more effectively. If what happens when a player is on the court is meaningless, than why get upset about substitutions, rotations and adjustments? I think that over a period of time they do tell a story. Obviously only a chapter, but meaningful nevertheless. But then, I'm a stats nerd. It worked pretty well for Billy Bean....and remember whatever postion you take, let's not forget the words of the immortal Jim Boylan...."I AM NOT A STATS MAN".
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 10, 2008 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interestingly...
by tyger1147 on Apr 10, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops! My rant would make more sense if I actually
Player Minutes (+-)
Hughes 418:41 -39
Deng 480:40 -54
Noah 377:14 -53
Gooden 309:31 -34
Gordon 392:18 -70
Nocioni 234:22 -33
Nichols 14:35 -3
Gray 115:02 +10
Thabo 301:24 -47
Kirk 399:11 -12
Thomas 245:12 -3
Duhon 83:53 -28
Simmons 4:36 -9
Based on these results, I have concluded the whole team sucks but some suck less than others.....and God forbid! Was Red Kerr right? If we just gave Aaron 40 minutes a game, we could be looking at a 31 win season.
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 10, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I counted correctly, you're quoting plus/minus
by snley on Apr 11, 2008 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lies
-Mark Twain
by jpchi on Apr 11, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly is your position?
by bullshooter on Apr 11, 2008 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't cherry picking and I did have a point
Many of you were saying Tyrus was a bust, Noce was killing them, Kirk was a bum, Hughes a disaster, etc. Gooden was getting raves, people were saying we needed more Gordon on the court, Noah was the only consistent performer, etc. So in that context these numbers do tell a story.
Since I still believe Thomas and possibly Deng, Thabo and Noah have the highest upsides it is imperative they get as many minutes as possible during these remaining games, with the exception of Luol. The stats bear out that having the younger players on the court actually keeps the games closer than when the veterans are hogging the minutes.
It also demonstrates that Tyrus does not hurt the team when he plays, at least not as much as most others. Since Boylan took over, the defense has gone to hell. We need coaches who can teach the youngsters how to play better help defense, set better picks, rotate properly, when to take shots and when to pass, how to box out, to post in the blocks, etc. In other words, we need a professional coaching staff to help them grow. I am still convinced that Tyrus can be a defensive monster with his superior physical gifts but only if he is taught and motivated in the right direction. That applies to Gray, Thabo and Noah as well. This nucleus could still develop into a solid winner, but not with these clowns giving the minutes to the veterans which serves no purpose since their numbers are worse than the newbies. Who stands out? Gordon? Hughes? Deng?
We have everything to gain and absolutely nothing to lose to leave Tyrus, Aaron, Noah, Thabo and even Nichols on the court. If nothing else, it could improve our chances in the lottery.
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 11, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next time, just say you want to see more
Tyrus and Noah certainly should be on the court as much as possible. Thabo should be getting more minutes ahead of Hughes and Duhon. Gray's big and slow and probably not worth the time to try to develop into anything more than a guy who comes in only when the other team brings in their own big and slow guy.
by snley on Apr 11, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gray has talent
by bullshooter on Apr 11, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see that at all
20 minutes and your team's no good. There are other lummoxes who can match up against the great Haywood for stretches, and you wouldn't need to do so for 20 minutes. And usually those types of guys are good defenders.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 11, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Misused Stats? Try misused players instead.
TT, Thabo, Kirk and Noce had the best +/-, yet were sitting on the bench for the most part. When everything fell apart, idiot Boylan insisted his rotations would not change even though his playoff dream was shattered. If Gooden hadn't got hurt, TT would still be riding the pines.
The point is that the veterans played like crap for the most part in the season's most important stretch. Now there is absolutely no excuse to give them any more time since the games are meaningless. Can someone tell me why Duhon's PT is increasing when everyone knows he is a dead man walking? Does numbnuts think he is showcasing Larry Hughes, or is he really as stupid as everone else suspects? The bench guys should play until they foul out so Paxson can get a better idea who to keep and who to dump for next year. Unfortunately, since their coaching staff is hopelessly incompetent and clueless, very little will likely be revealed. How else are you going to determine their effectiveness if you don't look at the collective results while they are on the court?
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 11, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, Boylan's an idiot and has been terrible
by snley on Apr 11, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Statistics
by Cannoli on Apr 11, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well jeebus, if vin scully says so
by hscs on Apr 11, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hehe
by bullshooter on Apr 11, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by bullhockey on Apr 11, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, drunks use lampposts
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 11, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And sometimes buildings.
by wjb1492 on Apr 11, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And sometimes L tracks.
by snley on Apr 11, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that they suck this year
by stretch23 on Apr 11, 2008 9:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not just playoff experience...
(and the Bulls made the playoffs with Eddy Curry)
by hscs on Apr 11, 2008 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe Bryant nearly pulled a Jay williams
by RogersPark Kris on Apr 11, 2008 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I just hope Joey Gathright was paid for being way more amazing.
by hscs on Apr 11, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Because you're fearless on here. And you bring the passion day in and day out.
by bullhockey on Apr 11, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
by tyger1147 on Apr 11, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you think for one second that wasn't cgi
by bullshooter on Apr 11, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
People need to think this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rTjHHGT2Sk&feature=related - different end "results" but both fake
by NormVanBeer on Apr 11, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You usually don't.
by tyger1147 on Apr 11, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm and of course
by bullhockey on Apr 11, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Tyrus really a bum , Jimbo, Red, KC?
If Gooden hadn't gone down and others weren't injured, neither him or Thabo would have seen much PT all season. I truly believe the main reason Boylan and his staff of trolls relied so heavily on the veterans was because they didn't have enough smarts to teach and develop the younger, less experienced players and feared being exposed as clueless nincompoops.
On the other hand. little old Hubie Brown has covered only 3 Bulls games this season and commented tonight on Tyrus being a highlight film, on Noah's great potential and Deng's ability to create offense along with Ben Gordon. He was impfessed with how quickly Tyrus got downcourt and what an impressive all around game he showed, blocks, steals, rebounds, assists, scoring. Hubie also stated Thomas needs more minutes.
But who are we to believe, Bulbous Boylan or Hubie, the man who took a young inexperienced Memphis team and made them winners, only to have them sink back into mediocrity once he left?
Once the Bulls throw Captain Bligh overboard and retake the Bounty, it may not be necessary to abandon ship. With the right leader at the helm, they can someday once again sail through the NBA with the wind at their backs and recapture the pride they once had.
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 11, 2008 9:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Tyrus really a bum , Jimbo, Red, KC?
If Gooden hadn't gone down and others weren't injured, neither him or Thabo would have seen much PT all season. I truly believe the main reason Boylan and his staff of trolls relied so heavily on the veterans was because they didn't have enough smarts to teach and develop the younger, less experienced players and feared being exposed as clueless nincompoops.
On the other hand. little old Hubie Brown has covered only 3 Bulls games this season and commented tonight on Tyrus being a highlight film, on Noah's great potential and Deng's ability to create offense along with Ben Gordon. He was impfessed with how quickly Tyrus got downcourt and what an impressive all around game he showed, blocks, steals, rebounds, assists, scoring. Hubie also stated Thomas needs more minutes.
But who are we to believe, Bulbous Boylan or Hubie, the man who took a young inexperienced Memphis team and made them winners, only to have them sink back into mediocrity once he left?
Once the Bulls throw Captain Bligh overboard and retake the Bounty, it may not be necessary to abandon ship. With the right leader at the helm, they can someday once again sail through the NBA with the wind at their backs and recapture the pride they once had.
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 11, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of idiots
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 11, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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