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Report: Bulls fire Boylan

So reports KC Johnson. No official word from Paxson yet on Boylan or his staff.

Good riddance.

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I think Mariah put it best...
Dear Jim Boylan,

We were as one, babe
For a moment in time
And it seemed everlasting
That you would always be mine
Now you want to be free
So I'll let you fly
'Cause I know in my heart, babe
Our love will never die

You'll always be a part of me
I'm part of you indefinitely
Boy, don't you know you can't escape me
Ooh darling, 'cause you'll always be my baby
And we'll linger on
Time can't erase a feeling this strong
No way you're never gonna shake me
Ooh darling, 'cause you'll always be my baby

Good luck in your future coaching endeavors,

Pax

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 17, 2008 11:27 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is it bad...
that while reading that I pictured Pax in a sequin gown singing that?

by Lt.Dan on Apr 17, 2008 11:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How about...
(Sung by Boylan to the tune of "Touch My Body")

"If there's a Duhon up in here, then he's gonna leave with me when I do (I do)"

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 17, 2008 11:30 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So who will the Bulls pursue as their
new coach?

I assume they will hire a new coach relatively quickly, in order to prepare for the draft and any offseason manuevers.

(Please don't trade Tyrus, PAx)

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 17, 2008 11:35 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's official
the link has been updated

by NormVanBeer on Apr 17, 2008 11:38 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ben does the good riddance dance
Fellow guard Ben Gordon said it's not necessary to hire a player-friendly coach.

"I think we just need a coach who knows the result is winning. At the same time, he has to know how to coach players and get the most out of them.

"I think just somebody who has experience and who knows how to get the most out of his players is important.

by NormVanBeer on Apr 17, 2008 11:41 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks BG
On the record is good.

Should we wonder how great a role Skiles as coach and Boylan as his lead assistant, if any at all, had on BG in declining the Bulls contract extension offer?

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 12:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for the update.
Hinrich is quoted in the link and had had a good comment about our need to obtain a coach that can help them improve defensively.  Our dense has really deteriorated this year.  

by chgobr on Apr 17, 2008 11:45 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...speaking of deteriorated...
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=174359
Foxsports.com named Kirk Hinrich the Most Deteriorated Player, while the Bulls were awarded Most Disappointing Team of 2007-08.

by NormVanBeer on Apr 17, 2008 12:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

THANK GOD THIS IS OVER!!!
I'm really looking forward to some real changes this off-season. I'd hate to see Ty, BG, LD, or even Kirk go, but something's got to give. Trade the pick. If Gordon is gone i'd like to see Magette, if Ty goes, I'd like to see Brand back in Red. I wouldn't mind both.
"2nd half Ben Gordon bonanza. It's coming :)" - Matt, Blog-A-Bull

by Goostafer on Apr 17, 2008 11:50 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you want Maggette,
he'll be available.  He's lost his starting spot on the Clips to Thornton.    

by alec on Apr 17, 2008 11:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That could be tru
Thorton is a scoring machine.. or something. Maggette will most likely opt out and be a free agent, thing is do the Bulls have enough to sign him? He'd be a nice upgrade from Gordon.
"2nd half Ben Gordon bonanza. It's coming :)" - Matt, Blog-A-Bull

by Goostafer on Apr 17, 2008 12:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Brand will slow us down
I'm looking for us to transition to an uptempo style that still stresses solid defense.  Brand isn't a very good defensive player and he's not particularly quick at changing ends.

For the money we'd have to pay him, I don't think the rewards can come close to what we would give up to get him.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 12:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed about the uptempo style
especially if you count Thabo, Tyrus and Noah as the 'new core.'  

by alec on Apr 17, 2008 12:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think I called you out on this before
They're already an uptempo team.  There's no transition needed to get them there.  They can play faster, but it's not like they've been a walk it up, half court team the last few years.

by snley on Apr 17, 2008 1:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think the coaching
perspective was there to support an uptempo system.

I recall what you said before that we are in fact an uptempo system so what I'm looking for in our new acquisitions in players, coaches, and Berto staff are signs that pushing this style is supported by those that ink the checks.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 1:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So playing that style for the past 5 years
isn't evidence enough?  As a refresher, here are the Bulls' rankings in pace since Skiles took over.

07-08 11
06-07 6
05-06 5
04-05 11
03-04 7

Again, they haven't been playing to the levels of Golden St or Denver, but they've played pretty darned fast.  As numerous announcers have said over those years, the majority of the players they've acquired during that time are best suited for uptempo play.  I think they're pretty committed already.  The only question is how much they remain committed.

by snley on Apr 17, 2008 1:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

all those quick shots
by Deng and Noc when nobody is down the court yet is what inflates those numbers I think.  The coaches have talked about getting early offense, but in watching them, you don't get the sense that they are trying to fast break nearly as much as the pace factor would suggest.  What I am trying to say is that they were just taking jumpers earlier, not getting fast break opportunities.
Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 17, 2008 1:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Every team tries to get fast breaks.
Fast breaks are great because they're easy buckets more often than not.  Playing fast, even if that simply means hoisting jump shots before anyone else is back, is playing fast.  The Bulls Pace is high because they look for and take those early shots.

by snley on Apr 17, 2008 2:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

note on fast breaks
easy buckets AND/OR fouls leading to more FT opps.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 2:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's what I was trying to get at
the bulls weren't running out trying to attack the rim as much as some higher pace teams do, they were taking quick jumpshots which don't have the associated benefits that running in numbers does.
Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 17, 2008 2:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They may not get to the rim
but they probably get better looks with most of those early jump shots than they would in a half court set.

by snley on Apr 17, 2008 2:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

better looks
but nobody to rebound their 40% shots.  And Deng and Noc don't exactly take their shots from 10 ft.
Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 17, 2008 3:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Obviously, they don't have an ideal set of players
for the offensive end.  That's why they constantly finished middle of the pack at best in offensive efficiency.  I'd love to see the team try to take better advantage of playing fast and hope the new coach will show them how to do so.  I never said that the team's offensive style was perfect, just that they played at a fast pace.  

by snley on Apr 17, 2008 3:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It got better when Hughes arrived
not really.  It got worse.  I don't know if I remember a Bull as bad as Larry Hughes in the fast break.  Couldn't space, couldn't pass, couldn't finish, but he could scream and turn to the officials.

Two more years baby.  I'm pumped.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 2:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and then make a half-hearted swipe
at a steal and then yell at the ref again and then check to see if the other team scored, and then head up court...
Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 17, 2008 3:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it all one big cry for help?
We're not gonna protest!  We're not gonna protest!
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 4:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The idea of Tyrus and Noah
as being fleet bigs in an up-tempo game does not bring to mind an image of them running down to the top of the key and firing up jump shots.  

The up-tempo image is of them getting all the way to the basket before their bigger, lummoxier defenders can get there.

If your bigs are getting to the basket fast and first, shouldn't it show up as both fast pace and high shooting percentage?  Is there a way to massage the statistics you mention that will break it down into smaller parts?  

by alec on Apr 17, 2008 2:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course Noah and Thomas probably won't be
the ones hoisting jump shots.  Yes, them playing in an uptempo system will allow them to get down the court and establish position before most other bigs in the NBA.  If you feel the need to dig deeper, go to basketball-reference.com.

by snley on Apr 17, 2008 2:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Go ahead and keep trying.
I now see why you generally stick with the smart-ass, contrarian bot comments. It makes sense now.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Apr 17, 2008 2:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I KNOW you didn't use stats to find that out.
Because to observe is all one needs to do to know everything about the team.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Apr 17, 2008 1:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

tygger
go ahead and read the second chapter in "How to be a Smartass."
Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 17, 2008 1:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also
You are correct that we haven't been a walk it up half court team in the previous 3 playoff seasons.  However, the constant suggestion that we were merely one low post, back to the basket PF away from emerging to the next level of dominance was a league wide belief.  Certainly that was a strong suggestions that to stabilize the team to a .600 or better record was the initiation of more half court sets.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 1:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The idea of a low post scorer specifically or a
superstar in general was more to the notion that the team needed someone who could get baskets or get to the free throw line for spurts during the game when the jump shots aren't falling.  Obviously, you have to scope your pace to your players.  That's why Gasol and Garnett were great options, I don't think either would have dictated a slowing of the pace.  

by snley on Apr 17, 2008 1:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because Charles Barkley...
...knows how to fix the Bulls? Okay, so it's "league-wide" (do you mean NBA pundit league-wide, because I haven't read quotes by David Stern, Kevin McHale or Elgin Baylor saying how the Bulls can be fixed), but that is about the worst supporting evidence I've ever read anywhere.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Apr 17, 2008 1:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some names
Sir Eatalot is OK.  Some other are ALL THE ESPN PEOPLE(Pippen, Anthony, Legler, Steven Smith, Walton, Thorpe, Ford, Broussard, Bucher, Abbott, Hubie, Tirico), ALL THE TNT PEOPLE(Kenny Smith, Chuck, Miller, Marc Jackson, Doug Collins, Magic).

By league wide I mean anyone that writes or comments about the NBA in their capacity as a paid analyst/whatever for their respective media outlets.

I guess I could just say NBA Writers Association, but I know there are dissents within that group on this subject.  I couldn't name the dissents off the top of my head.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 2:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm with you on the style change
Assuming we keep both Noah and Tyrus in the picture, we currently have the right bigs to implement that style. Now, if we could only get a new PG...

by Illini15 on Apr 17, 2008 1:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree about brand and too a point
We got uptempo style players but I must say we either need a better point guard to facilitate the run or a more running philosophy,  probably both.

by Ibleedbullsred on Apr 17, 2008 6:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haven't seen any other reported firings yet,
so doesn't this give the Bulls back-to-back NBA firings?  Add that to the list of things to be proud of this season - worst shooting percentage in the league, no 3-game winning streaks, and successive coach firings.

Still, huge sigh of relief - I didn't want to believe there was a chance in hell Pax would keep Boylan on, but after all the other unthinkable things from the season there was that tiny doubt in the back of my mind.  I wish Boylan well in the future, as long as that future is nowhere near the Bulls, or any other team I love.

It takes a special coach to make Aaron Gray a guy you can see.

by wjb1492 on Apr 17, 2008 11:56 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

now THAT's
a streak to be proud of.
"2nd half Ben Gordon bonanza. It's coming :)" - Matt, Blog-A-Bull

by Goostafer on Apr 17, 2008 12:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Would have thought Zeke to be the first one today
Figured time zone difference would have given him the edge.

by snley on Apr 17, 2008 12:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Donnie Walsh won't dismiss Thomas
He's merely removed him as coach and looking to reassign him somewhere else in the organization.

Knicks version of Isiah Thomas cannot die.  He's been given ANOTHER life.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 12:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why
would one be the last name (thomas) and one be the first name (dale) though?
"Joakim Noah looks like a young Kimberly Williams." - my mom

by Jaina on Apr 17, 2008 1:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know
Dale Davis played for Isiah in Indiana.  Dale and Thomas popcorn looks like a venture spawned from Indiana Pacer season ticket holders that are corn farmers.

It was just a guess.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 2:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

didn't mean
to make the question sound harsh
"Joakim Noah looks like a young Kimberly Williams." - my mom

by Jaina on Apr 17, 2008 2:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is Dale Davis
Haven't ever tried the popcorn, but I've heard it's really, really good.

Unlike Zeke's days as a GM.

by KT on Apr 17, 2008 3:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

also on the list
Noc went 82 games without getting a haircut.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 17, 2008 12:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I kind of feel bad
But Boylan did "earn" his spot in the unemployment line.

At least he has a chance of a job if Walsh hires Scotty in NYC.

Dickey Simpkins>Ben Wallace

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 17, 2008 12:25 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, Skiles
Right.  For a minute I thought you meant Walsh was considering Scottie Pippen.  Although, wouldn't that be a fun team to watch coached by Pippen.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 12:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Pip would flip his shit
Why anyone would want to coach that team right now is beyond me. Now in 3 years when all those contracts are gone, that's a prime job.
Dickey Simpkins>Ben Wallace

by Ozzie Montana on Apr 17, 2008 5:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'll miss Boylan
we will never get to see a Duhon, Hinrich, Gordon, Hughes, Nocioni line-up again.  No more Thabo at the 4.  No more benching players for contributing too much.  No more wild substitution patterns.  My heart will, nay must, go on...

by danger mouse on Apr 17, 2008 12:51 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Danger mouse, your waxing poetic on what the loss
of Boilman means, almost brings tears to my eyes.  As fans, we should take about .000001 millisecond to mourn his passing but for me their is a bright side to this. I will no longer have to keep a barf bag handy for those special Boylan moments which will be no more.  Not since Victor Krhapa was released have I felt such a void in the force.

by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 17, 2008 3:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did anyone actually think he would stay?
This was the first thing I expected to read when I woke up and it was.

All I can say is THANK GOD he's gone!

by Option27 on Apr 17, 2008 12:59 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ISO: IhatenobrainBoylan
Are you going to change your name or is the hatred going to live on?

by Illini15 on Apr 17, 2008 1:17 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

re Illini15s query
If Christ could say love your enemies while being crucified, starting soon, after a reasonable mourning period (see my comments above) this name will be relegated into a black hole.  I'm already contemplating a newer, more positive name to reflect my improved mood...How does Tyrusmancrush sound? strictly in a figurative sense. My wife is already jealous of my love affair with sports viewing.

by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 17, 2008 3:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

with the impending SBN2.0 migration
it's a potential fresh start for all usernames. Especially if you have generic ones (like me)

(don't worry: like I said earlier, even if your name is 'new', you can claim an existing one and therefore keep all your nuggets of wisdom documented)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 17, 2008 4:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can I claim someone else's
so, for example, everyone will think I'm really stat-savvy?

by alec on Apr 17, 2008 5:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Official statement
up at bulls.com.
"Joakim Noah looks like a young Kimberly Williams." - my mom

by Jaina on Apr 17, 2008 1:22 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

too bad
we won't get to hear him swear or kick chairs anymore! :P
"Joakim Noah looks like a young Kimberly Williams." - my mom

by Jaina on Apr 17, 2008 1:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KC's article
Boylan's stint was marked by improved offensive numbers from earlier this season under Skiles but also an inability to depart from the same defensive and offensive philosophies that were used by his close friend. The career assistant spent 14 seasons in that role with various teams before assuming the head job and weathered several off-the-court incidents without the benefit of a training camp.

Players, mostly working on individual agendas, blew off practices and shootarounds, argued with assistant coaches and also were injured. Boylan weathered most of January without Ben Gordon, Luol Deng and, for a lesser absence, Kirk Hinrich.

That might be some of the worst writing I've ever seen in a major newspaper.

by Sports2 on Apr 17, 2008 2:04 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KC on Mike North
He defended Ben Wallace and Jim Boylan fairly consistently throughout the season.

Poor writing as a result of a poor position on a subject?  Probably.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 2:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

'Splain, Lucy... ?
"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Apr 17, 2008 2:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

off topic
but i just saw that ivey got suspended 3 games for that punch to aaron grays manhood.
Ralph Wiggum, a smarter man than Jim Boylan

by Yibs on Apr 17, 2008 2:36 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Must hunt for Ivey quotes
Going to be hard with him on the 10 day contract and all.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 2:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boylan
No longer a professional coach.  Maybe some desperate college is looking for his services.
BAB Tyrus Love-Meter -- 8 - Deciding whether next season is going to be similar to Kemp 95-96 or better.

by cubbybear on Apr 17, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Paul Silas
What do you guys think about him ?

I always thought he was a great players coach (the only one who could ever make something out of Jerome Moiso, and that's a fantastic achievement), but also a good X&Os coach.

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Apr 17, 2008 2:39 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do remember him....
and he strikes me as too mild mannered for the job at hand. He reminds me of Bill Cartwright a bit. This might be an odd idea, but who coaches the Bulls D-League team???
http://slickyricky76.blogspot.com/

by SlickRick76 on Apr 17, 2008 3:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks Sue...
I know Phil Jackson got his start in the CBA....just thought I would throw it out there...
http://slickyricky76.blogspot.com/

by SlickRick76 on Apr 17, 2008 3:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mild Mannered?
You have to read his Wikipedia page.  Look for the Boozer quote.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 4:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting name
he's pretty old, but he had some good defensive teams in Charlotte.
Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 17, 2008 3:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stage 1 completed
So far, so good from Pax. Now it's time for him to find a good coach, try to draft Derrick Rose or sign Gilbert Arenas and last, but not least, GET RID OF HUGHES
BOYLAN IS GONE, NOW IT'S TIME TO GET RID OF HUGHES

by bull83 on Apr 17, 2008 3:03 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I certainly agree with getting rid of Hughes...
but how would Paxson put himself in a position to draft Rose?
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 17, 2008 3:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry
I wanted to say find a way to get Rose, using our pick and Noc, and Hinrich... Sorry for the confusion
BOYLAN IS GONE, NOW IT'S TIME TO GET RID OF HUGHES

by bull83 on Apr 17, 2008 3:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure why not...
Let's see if MJ wants out of retirement while were at it.

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 17, 2008 3:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe he wants to coach...
Can you imagine?

Oh wait, he already won 6 championships as the coach.

Yeah, I said it, so what?

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 17, 2008 4:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stage 2: Paxson drop the Ax again
but let in move inward 2 inches...
Stage 3: Hire New GM
Stage 4: Hire New Coach

by exult463 on Apr 17, 2008 3:12 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Earlier today
I got inexplicably happy during a particularly boring lecture in class.  Now I know why.

by jpchi on Apr 17, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hiring playoff assistant coaches
Does anyone know the protocol for interviewing NBA assistants currently involved in the playoffs?  If Paxson wants to interview Tibs, Shaw or Elie, will he have to wait until their teams are eliminated?  I would like to have this process completed as quickly as possible, but hope that Pax is serious about not being locked into the stagnant laundry list of retreads.

by Gene Banks on Apr 17, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I believe that's correct
you have to wait until they're eliminated. Unless they're like Larry Brown, then they'll come to you!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 17, 2008 3:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You probably need the team's discretion
to keep the level of courtesy above par.  Any team or Head Coach should turn down the request.  I think most assistants would defer to the end of the season.

You can talk to their agents of course.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 4:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't
think he would be retained. Find a good one Pax.

by sue369 on Apr 17, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jim Cleamons
not bad if we could add some more assistants familiar with this system.  Even Ben Gordon could flourish if he was willing to give up the ball.  Scottie Pippen could teach the young bigs how to play the point forward and defend better. I think TT can handle the ball if he gets under control.  Kirk would no longer have to be a pure point guard and Aaron Gray is no worse than the old Bulls tall slow centers. He can develop into a decent passer and Noah already handles the ball pretty well.  If not Jim Cleamons, why not a variation of the triangle in any case?

by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 17, 2008 3:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Henry Abbott nailed it here
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-32-70/Who-is-Going-to-Fix-the-Culture-of-the-Chicago-Bulls-.ht ml
Meanwhile, the team hasn't exactly been singing the praises of their players.

The way it has been told in the media, the bad boys on this team include just about everyone in uniform. It's like the front office has been besieged with some of the worst luck any front office has ever had.

Meltdowns right and left all season long, in some cases from players who have never been seen as problems anywhere else?

After a while you have to wonder if maybe the players aren't to blame.

The season started with stains to the reputation of Luol Deng and Ben Gordon,Jim Boylan who did not sign the contract extensions the team was offering. The story was that these were ego-maniacal players who let greed get the better of them.

But look at how the season unfolded. It occurs to me that it's also possible they just weren't sure they wanted to sign up for long years of whatever it is that's going on in the Bulls franchise right now.

The Associated Press chronicles the other incidents that have besieged this team -- at least the ones that made the press:

    Rookie Joakim Noah was suspended in January after a verbal outburst at assistant coach Ron Adams in practice. Initially a one-game suspension, his teammates voted to extend it to two. A short time later, Noah and Ben Wallace exchanged words following a blowout loss to Orlando.

    Tyrus Thomas, apparently unhappy with his playing time, skipped practice and was handed a two-game suspension last month.

    Chris Duhon missed a March 9 shootaround after being spotted the night before in Durham, N.C., at the North Carolina-Duke game; he was fined, benched for one game and inactive for another.

    Bulls officials were not happy with his reaction -- "I haven't been playing a lot anyway," he said. It was true. Duhon's minutes had been limited after Larry Hughes' arrival with Drew Gooden in the three-team deal that sent Wallace to Cleveland.

    Another episode was coming, this one involving Andres Nocioni.

    Nocioni blew up at Boylan after being lifted in the second quarter of a game against Indiana late last month and got sent to the locker room. Nocioni apologized two days later, another sorry episode in a sorry season for the Bulls.

    Paxson called the outbursts "disturbing" and "out of character."

Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, Joakim Noah, Tyrus Thomas, Chris Duhon, Andres Nocioni ... over the last season, I have talked to several of these players, several of their agents, and several of their friends.

My impression is that's a group of extremely hard-working players who want to win.

But for whatever reason, when you put them in the pressure cooker that is the current Bulls organization, in their own way, they have each cracked. They have, in some cases, not felt valued. Professional development has, they say, not been a priority. Communication has been terrible. Players have felt humiliated at times, and confused at others.

It's a sad situation.

Was Jim Boylan the problem? I guess it's possible, but no one I have talked to who is close to the situation feels the problems are solved by today's firing.

In the meantime, if the Bulls continue to believe that these young players are the problem, and start auctioning them off cheap, my advice to the rest of the league would be "buy." With some nurturing, and some playing time, I expect it will be clear we haven't seen the best of these Bulls yet.

This organization constantly shits all over its own players in the media, and then it wonders why none of them have much trade value.  Why in the world did the Aaron Gray thing even get in the papers?  A player bitching about being taken out of a game - that happens in pretty much every NBA game.  Only in Chicago is it taken as a black mark on somebody's character.

by Big D on Apr 17, 2008 4:57 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting take from Henry
He's made bit references to the Bulls all season, but he never said this much before, especially implying that it's not really the players' fault.

Whose fault is it then? Let's see: he casts Boylan aside somewhat, and talks of the "Bulls organization". Methinks Ben & Luol's agents got to Henry.

by T Maple on Apr 17, 2008 5:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh yeah
I agree that the stuff was blown out of proportion--half of those "incidents" would've gotten much less coverage in other teams. But it's not entirely "the organization"s fault. Pax, if anything, seems to try hard to keep that stuff as little in the press as possible. I think it's the media themselves: the team was sucking, and then players squabble & show up late, and the beat guys hone in on it like blood in the water because what else will they write about?

And then it grew: every other little incident became seen as another example of "the Bulls falling apart" or whatever. And that gave Jay Mariotti or Steve Rosenbloom (who still insists on blogging that Pax didn't try hard to get Garnett) more to bitch about every now and then.

by T Maple on Apr 17, 2008 5:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've wondered at times about how the guys
are portrayed, even though I confess to doing my own share of griping about their "transgressions" this season.  Maybe it's just from following this team far more closely, but when you hear about things like 'Melo and the DUI, or incidents with guns/shooting, it kind of highlights that these guys really haven't behaved that badly.  

Instead of emphasizing that Joakim got back late from an out-of-state funeral, it's portrayed as "strolling" in late, implying that he couldn't care less about being late.  I realize it wasn't the first time for him, and it's something I hope he does correct, but habitual lateness is also not the worst thing in the world when he's an otherwise hard working guy who's passionate about his job.  And pretty much everything any one player has done has been used as an opportunity to write about the immature, selfish, acting-out Bulls - the whole team gets tarred and feathered each time around it seems.

It takes a special coach to make Aaron Gray a guy you can see.

by wjb1492 on Apr 17, 2008 5:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's all relative
Since Pax came on board the message he sent was that the organization would restore itself through the support of strong "character".  Bad apples?  Out.  Winners?  In.

I wouldn't compare Chicago to other teams when trying to judge their progress.  We should compare this year's team to last year's team.  These incidents were not around last year.  So why this year?

If you start to draw in relativity to other teams the Bulls will look like angels.

What's also possible is that the players just grew to use Skiles as their voice to the press.  I don't remember Deng, Gordon, Hinrich, or anyone else on the team being outspoken.  I remember KC's captains vote article where Ben Wallace didn't even raise his hand in the team vote.  Ben's a silent leader.  Yea right.

Once Noah started talking I wanted to encourage him, but it's a terrible precedent because he's a rookie.  OK, 23 years old, a two time champ, but still a rookie.  However, when the team has no other talker which is really a lack of a leader then what does Noah do?  He adapts.  He wants to survive.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 6:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So they're the adolescent Bulls instead of the
baby Bulls.  They went from toeing the line to testing how far they could push it.

Everything is relative, but that doesn't mean there is no value in trying to step back occasionally in an effort to get a wider view.  What's wrong with the Bulls looking like angels (in the off-court sense, at least) for a bit?  Maybe Pax and the media need to remember what it was like before the well-behaved kiddies showed up.  I'm actually hoping that, with the season over and the guys having a chance to get away from the mess and reflect on it a bit, this season's misery will actually end up being productive for the rest of the careers.

It takes a special coach to make Aaron Gray a guy you can see.

by wjb1492 on Apr 17, 2008 6:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Team outing for paintball
Owners, brass, staff, players: all of them shooting each other.  It's fun, it lets off steam, it ends with drinks, and you want to do it again.

I really don't know.  This was a bad season to push the team to talk to the media more.  I hope the team will be as open as possible this Summer.

Short of the few instances off the court, I don't recall the other players demonstrating a lack of professionalism off the floor.  It was the lack of professionalism on the floor that troubled me.

This came out in games where our opponents would run the same exact plays over and over and the players on the court just never saw it, nor did they adapt to defend it.  This didn't happen last year because the TEAM brought it every single night.  Teams hated playing us.  This season they couldn't wait to play us.

Once Boylan became coach I figured the team would settle into a static rotation.  They didn't.  Once they traded Wallace and Smith I figured Boylan would play the kids.  They didn't.  Therefore the team was lost.  They skipped on putting the youth in charge of winning and opted to execute a rotation of predictable mediocrity.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 6:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm in total agreement re: on-court issues
Even though I can understand how the frustrations of the season could impact play, bottom line is they needed to do a better job on the court.  The team lost so many games they should have won, particularly those with the lost huge leads in the 4th.
It takes a special coach to make Aaron Gray a guy you can see.

by wjb1492 on Apr 17, 2008 7:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good point
if Paxson didn't wax poetic all the time about 'character', then people wouldn't care as much with instances of bad character (or absence of good character), and focus on...I don't know, winning.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 17, 2008 6:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree!!
I remember Rodman was suspended (it seemed on a regular basis) for doing really ridiculous things.  That didn't stop the Bulls from winning.  Being late after going to a funeral isn't something worth going to the press about.  Noah wants to win -- that's what interests me.

by chgobr on Apr 17, 2008 6:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was Rodman suspended
by the league or by the Bulls?  Or both?

by alec on Apr 17, 2008 6:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's all about roles and minutes
All of the incidents (except Deng and BG) were directly related to player roles and minutes.  NBA players need to know their roles, how many minutes they are going to play each night, and if they are going to play during crunch time.  Every coach not named Jim Boylan knows this.

by shoryuken on Apr 17, 2008 5:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hanley said this morning on radio
that the Bulls players didn't  listen.

The ego maniac take didn't occur until after both Deng and Gordon let it be known they felt "insulted" about the offers, and that Pax wasn't really negotiating.  And then the numbers leaked and everyone with a brain in their head said the players were crazy.  I don't think Pax got Gilbert Arenas or Charles Barkley to criticize Luol and Ben, I think they reached that conclusion all on their own.

Did the players need to be told you have to show up at work on time? And show up when you're supposed, just don't play hookey.  

The trib was hard on the players, but that wasn't anything new.  I don't think the Sun-times or Daily Herald were particularly.  Some sports radio was, but that's sports radio for you.

by KT on Apr 17, 2008 5:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry
but this is bullshit.  Players knew what their roles were, they just didn't like them.  And if you're insulted by youre role, or an offer, you have two choices, prove them wrong or sulk and prove them right.  If you want out, ask for a trade, others have done it.  And negotiating means giving something up to get something else, not getting more of what you want.  
Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 17, 2008 6:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who's the big tough guy?
not all teams can preach sloan-ball. Clearly some of these guys needed some losers philosophies in the organization as well, like 'communication'.

I'm with you that Deng and Gordon shouldn't have felt 'insulted' by not getting a counter-offer, and worse yet let it affect their play. But leaking the contract offers so everyone could call them idiots (heck, Reinsdorf said 'one guy told me he regretted it') wasn't cool either.

But for others, I don't think the minutes yo-yoing combined with Skiles Skowls (and the Boylan BlankStares) automatically should've bred 'proving them wrong' attitudes. They're in the NBA, they get paid either way.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 17, 2008 6:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and I realize 'discipline' coaches are
successful, and I'm not disqualifying anyone based on that impression, but Skiles sure seems like a special breed, who would emphasize discipline yet also be inconsistent and petty.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 17, 2008 7:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree on Skiles
he was probably as bull-headed and stubborn as they come.  But when it is your future and you have some control over it, letting adversity affect you in a negative way is always a bad thing.  But expecting 22 year-old's to understand the big picture and respond correctly is also not safe bet, either.  So in retrospect, how this season played out is a lot more understandable.
Don't tell anybody, but here's hoping TT puts it all together.

by bullshooter on Apr 17, 2008 10:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matt............
I don't think the bulls could have gotten any more ping pong balls regardless.  If we would have lost and charlotte had won it would have been a tied record and I belive the hornets was one of the few teams we won the season series with, probably like 3-1 so they would have got the nod.

by Ibleedbullsred on Apr 17, 2008 6:00 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Season series doesn't matter
for the lottery like it does for playoff seeding.  If tied, they would have split the number of possible combinations.
It takes a special coach to make Aaron Gray a guy you can see.

by wjb1492 on Apr 17, 2008 6:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

anyone
have any idea what the clippers might expect in exchange for maggette?

by hughes sucks on Apr 17, 2008 6:17 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2 lower paid non allstars but don't we need an
All Star, I mean we may not be able to get a Superstar but can we at least get an all star in here soon.

by Ibleedbullsred on Apr 17, 2008 6:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It all depends on the players
They're both expected to opt out of their contracts as a way of forcing a new contract length preferable to their own self interest.  After Brand and Maggette, they only have five other players under contract for next season.  Add Livingston who needs a qualifying offer to stay with the team or be lost in free agency and they have nearly as many questions as we have.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 6:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone see Sam Smith on CLTV tonight?
He believes Paxson will wait until after the draft to decide on a coach.  

Sam thinks Paxson made a mistake in trying to fit the players to the coach with Skiles. He thinks this time Paxson will try to fit the coach to the players.

by alec on Apr 17, 2008 6:24 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe he wants Thibodeau
and he knows he won't be able to get him until after the play-offs.

by alec on Apr 17, 2008 6:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thibodeau,
who hasnt exp as head coach? i dont think so.. paxson says he might try and find someone not so related to skiles' styles.

by ChiTownCritic on Apr 17, 2008 6:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

7:00 CST tonight on WYCC
Find Yourself a Dream! The Bob Love Story

by alec on Apr 17, 2008 6:42 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It'll be strange if Carlisle is the choice
He's been available all season, so if he's the guy, what the hell was Paxson waiting for?  If they had hired him in December, maybe they could have salvaged something out of this season.  I realize he's got his flaws as a coach, but I find it impossible to believe he's anywhere near as bad as Boylan.  The Bulls could have hired Carlisle anytime they wanted, so the fact that they didn't tells me they might have someone else in mind.  Or maybe they just don't know what the hell they're doing, I don't know.

by Big D on Apr 17, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm for Jeff Van Gundy
At first I wasn't sure, until I really looked at his head-coaching record.  Eleven seasons, ten over .500.  Of the nine complete seasons he coached he made the playoffs eight times, with four 50-win seasons.

He led the New York Knicks to the Finals at age 37!!  He's had 2 successful stints (though without a Championship), and he's still 'only' 47 years old.  He's just at the age where coaches start to mellow, and he can start applying everything he's learned at the other jobs (Knicks and Rockets).

And his teams have always been top-6 in defensive rating (opp points per 100 poss).  In 9 complete seasons his teams have always finished 2 through 6 in defensive rating, averaging #4.  

by BullsFanInSeattle on Apr 17, 2008 8:27 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

VanGundy knows the league and based on his
braodcasting skills, appears to me to be an excellent communicator (ala Hubie Brown) with an irreverant sense of humor (to keep players loose and not become to full of themselves).  His offensive schemes are not exciting, but as Kirk said (along with gazillions of others) defense wins championships.   I'm not suggesting Pax hire him, but they could do a lot worse and already have as evidenced by the stench still remaining after they cleaned out the coaching barn this morning.

by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 18, 2008 12:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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