Report: Bulls fire Boylan
So reports KC Johnson. No official word from Paxson yet on Boylan or his staff.
Good riddance.
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I think Mariah put it best...
We were as one, babe
For a moment in time
And it seemed everlasting
That you would always be mine
Now you want to be free
So I'll let you fly
'Cause I know in my heart, babe
Our love will never die
You'll always be a part of me
I'm part of you indefinitely
Boy, don't you know you can't escape me
Ooh darling, 'cause you'll always be my baby
And we'll linger on
Time can't erase a feeling this strong
No way you're never gonna shake me
Ooh darling, 'cause you'll always be my baby
Good luck in your future coaching endeavors,
Pax
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 17, 2008 11:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
is it bad...
by Lt.Dan on Apr 17, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boylan too...
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 17, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about...
"If there's a Duhon up in here, then he's gonna leave with me when I do (I do)"
by 1958ChiTown on Apr 17, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So who will the Bulls pursue as their
I assume they will hire a new coach relatively quickly, in order to prepare for the draft and any offseason manuevers.
(Please don't trade Tyrus, PAx)
by 1958ChiTown on Apr 17, 2008 11:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone on the acceptd list of coaches
by hlac on Apr 17, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's official
by NormVanBeer on Apr 17, 2008 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ben does the good riddance dance
"I think we just need a coach who knows the result is winning. At the same time, he has to know how to coach players and get the most out of them.
"I think just somebody who has experience and who knows how to get the most out of his players is important.
by NormVanBeer on Apr 17, 2008 11:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks BG
Should we wonder how great a role Skiles as coach and Boylan as his lead assistant, if any at all, had on BG in declining the Bulls contract extension offer?
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the update.
by chgobr on Apr 17, 2008 11:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
...speaking of deteriorated...
by NormVanBeer on Apr 17, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THANK GOD THIS IS OVER!!!
by Goostafer on Apr 17, 2008 11:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you want Maggette,
by alec on Apr 17, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That could be tru
by Goostafer on Apr 17, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brand will slow us down
For the money we'd have to pay him, I don't think the rewards can come close to what we would give up to get him.
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed about the uptempo style
by alec on Apr 17, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I called you out on this before
by snley on Apr 17, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the coaching
I recall what you said before that we are in fact an uptempo system so what I'm looking for in our new acquisitions in players, coaches, and Berto staff are signs that pushing this style is supported by those that ink the checks.
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So playing that style for the past 5 years
07-08 11
06-07 6
05-06 5
04-05 11
03-04 7
Again, they haven't been playing to the levels of Golden St or Denver, but they've played pretty darned fast. As numerous announcers have said over those years, the majority of the players they've acquired during that time are best suited for uptempo play. I think they're pretty committed already. The only question is how much they remain committed.
by snley on Apr 17, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all those quick shots
by bullshooter on Apr 17, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every team tries to get fast breaks.
by snley on Apr 17, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
note on fast breaks
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I was trying to get at
by bullshooter on Apr 17, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They may not get to the rim
by snley on Apr 17, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
better looks
by bullshooter on Apr 17, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, they don't have an ideal set of players
by snley on Apr 17, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It got better when Hughes arrived
Two more years baby. I'm pumped.
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and then make a half-hearted swipe
by bullshooter on Apr 17, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it all one big cry for help?
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The idea of Tyrus and Noah
The up-tempo image is of them getting all the way to the basket before their bigger, lummoxier defenders can get there.
If your bigs are getting to the basket fast and first, shouldn't it show up as both fast pace and high shooting percentage? Is there a way to massage the statistics you mention that will break it down into smaller parts?
by alec on Apr 17, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course Noah and Thomas probably won't be
by snley on Apr 17, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go ahead and keep trying.
by tyger1147 on Apr 17, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I KNOW you didn't use stats to find that out.
by tyger1147 on Apr 17, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tygger
by bullshooter on Apr 17, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The idea of a low post scorer specifically or a
by snley on Apr 17, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Charles Barkley...
by tyger1147 on Apr 17, 2008 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some names
By league wide I mean anyone that writes or comments about the NBA in their capacity as a paid analyst/whatever for their respective media outlets.
I guess I could just say NBA Writers Association, but I know there are dissents within that group on this subject. I couldn't name the dissents off the top of my head.
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on the style change
by Illini15 on Apr 17, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about brand and too a point
by Ibleedbullsred on Apr 17, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haven't seen any other reported firings yet,
Still, huge sigh of relief - I didn't want to believe there was a chance in hell Pax would keep Boylan on, but after all the other unthinkable things from the season there was that tiny doubt in the back of my mind. I wish Boylan well in the future, as long as that future is nowhere near the Bulls, or any other team I love.
by wjb1492 on Apr 17, 2008 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
now THAT's
by Goostafer on Apr 17, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would have thought Zeke to be the first one today
by snley on Apr 17, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Donnie Walsh won't dismiss Thomas
Knicks version of Isiah Thomas cannot die. He's been given ANOTHER life.
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps he'll be in charge of popcorn
Yes, he's the Thomas in Dale and Thomas.
by KT on Apr 17, 2008 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Dale, Dale Davis?
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why
by Jaina on Apr 17, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
It was just a guess.
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't mean
by Jaina on Apr 17, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is Dale Davis
Unlike Zeke's days as a GM.
by KT on Apr 17, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also on the list
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 17, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of feel bad
At least he has a chance of a job if Walsh hires Scotty in NYC.
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 17, 2008 12:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Skiles
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Pip would flip his shit
by Ozzie Montana on Apr 17, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll miss Boylan
by danger mouse on Apr 17, 2008 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Danger mouse, your waxing poetic on what the loss
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 17, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone actually think he would stay?
All I can say is THANK GOD he's gone!
by Option27 on Apr 17, 2008 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ISO: IhatenobrainBoylan
by Illini15 on Apr 17, 2008 1:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
re Illini15s query
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 17, 2008 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the impending SBN2.0 migration
(don't worry: like I said earlier, even if your name is 'new', you can claim an existing one and therefore keep all your nuggets of wisdom documented)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 17, 2008 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I claim someone else's
by alec on Apr 17, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one better take Option27!
by Option27 on Apr 17, 2008 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got dibs on Khalid El Amin...
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 17, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or not...
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 17, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Official statement
by Jaina on Apr 17, 2008 1:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the axe is still dropping
by NormVanBeer on Apr 17, 2008 1:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
KC's article
Players, mostly working on individual agendas, blew off practices and shootarounds, argued with assistant coaches and also were injured. Boylan weathered most of January without Ben Gordon, Luol Deng and, for a lesser absence, Kirk Hinrich.
That might be some of the worst writing I've ever seen in a major newspaper.
by Sports2 on Apr 17, 2008 2:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
KC on Mike North
Poor writing as a result of a poor position on a subject? Probably.
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
'Splain, Lucy... ?
by bullhockey on Apr 17, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
off topic
by Yibs on Apr 17, 2008 2:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Must hunt for Ivey quotes
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boylan
by cubbybear on Apr 17, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Paul Silas
I always thought he was a great players coach (the only one who could ever make something out of Jerome Moiso, and that's a fantastic achievement), but also a good X&Os coach.
by Diabolo on Apr 17, 2008 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I do remember him....
by SlickRick76 on Apr 17, 2008 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Sue...
by SlickRick76 on Apr 17, 2008 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mild Mannered?
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting name
by bullshooter on Apr 17, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stage 1 completed
by bull83 on Apr 17, 2008 3:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I certainly agree with getting rid of Hughes...
by 1958ChiTown on Apr 17, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
by bull83 on Apr 17, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure why not...
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 17, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 17, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he wants to coach...
Oh wait, he already won 6 championships as the coach.
Yeah, I said it, so what?
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 17, 2008 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stage 2: Paxson drop the Ax again
Stage 3: Hire New GM
Stage 4: Hire New Coach
by exult463 on Apr 17, 2008 3:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Earlier today
by jpchi on Apr 17, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hiring playoff assistant coaches
by Gene Banks on Apr 17, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe that's correct
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 17, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if you don't want them!
by KT on Apr 17, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You probably need the team's discretion
You can talk to their agents of course.
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't
by sue369 on Apr 17, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jim Cleamons
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 17, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate no brain b, hey that all sounds
by Ibleedbullsred on Apr 17, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Henry Abbott nailed it here
The way it has been told in the media, the bad boys on this team include just about everyone in uniform. It's like the front office has been besieged with some of the worst luck any front office has ever had.
Meltdowns right and left all season long, in some cases from players who have never been seen as problems anywhere else?
After a while you have to wonder if maybe the players aren't to blame.
The season started with stains to the reputation of Luol Deng and Ben Gordon,Jim Boylan who did not sign the contract extensions the team was offering. The story was that these were ego-maniacal players who let greed get the better of them.
But look at how the season unfolded. It occurs to me that it's also possible they just weren't sure they wanted to sign up for long years of whatever it is that's going on in the Bulls franchise right now.
The Associated Press chronicles the other incidents that have besieged this team -- at least the ones that made the press:
Rookie Joakim Noah was suspended in January after a verbal outburst at assistant coach Ron Adams in practice. Initially a one-game suspension, his teammates voted to extend it to two. A short time later, Noah and Ben Wallace exchanged words following a blowout loss to Orlando.
Tyrus Thomas, apparently unhappy with his playing time, skipped practice and was handed a two-game suspension last month.
Chris Duhon missed a March 9 shootaround after being spotted the night before in Durham, N.C., at the North Carolina-Duke game; he was fined, benched for one game and inactive for another.
Bulls officials were not happy with his reaction -- "I haven't been playing a lot anyway," he said. It was true. Duhon's minutes had been limited after Larry Hughes' arrival with Drew Gooden in the three-team deal that sent Wallace to Cleveland.
Another episode was coming, this one involving Andres Nocioni.
Nocioni blew up at Boylan after being lifted in the second quarter of a game against Indiana late last month and got sent to the locker room. Nocioni apologized two days later, another sorry episode in a sorry season for the Bulls.
Paxson called the outbursts "disturbing" and "out of character."
Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, Joakim Noah, Tyrus Thomas, Chris Duhon, Andres Nocioni ... over the last season, I have talked to several of these players, several of their agents, and several of their friends.
My impression is that's a group of extremely hard-working players who want to win.
But for whatever reason, when you put them in the pressure cooker that is the current Bulls organization, in their own way, they have each cracked. They have, in some cases, not felt valued. Professional development has, they say, not been a priority. Communication has been terrible. Players have felt humiliated at times, and confused at others.
It's a sad situation.
Was Jim Boylan the problem? I guess it's possible, but no one I have talked to who is close to the situation feels the problems are solved by today's firing.
In the meantime, if the Bulls continue to believe that these young players are the problem, and start auctioning them off cheap, my advice to the rest of the league would be "buy." With some nurturing, and some playing time, I expect it will be clear we haven't seen the best of these Bulls yet.
This organization constantly shits all over its own players in the media, and then it wonders why none of them have much trade value. Why in the world did the Aaron Gray thing even get in the papers? A player bitching about being taken out of a game - that happens in pretty much every NBA game. Only in Chicago is it taken as a black mark on somebody's character.
by Big D on Apr 17, 2008 4:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting take from Henry
Whose fault is it then? Let's see: he casts Boylan aside somewhat, and talks of the "Bulls organization". Methinks Ben & Luol's agents got to Henry.
by T Maple on Apr 17, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
And then it grew: every other little incident became seen as another example of "the Bulls falling apart" or whatever. And that gave Jay Mariotti or Steve Rosenbloom (who still insists on blogging that Pax didn't try hard to get Garnett) more to bitch about every now and then.
by T Maple on Apr 17, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've wondered at times about how the guys
Instead of emphasizing that Joakim got back late from an out-of-state funeral, it's portrayed as "strolling" in late, implying that he couldn't care less about being late. I realize it wasn't the first time for him, and it's something I hope he does correct, but habitual lateness is also not the worst thing in the world when he's an otherwise hard working guy who's passionate about his job. And pretty much everything any one player has done has been used as an opportunity to write about the immature, selfish, acting-out Bulls - the whole team gets tarred and feathered each time around it seems.
by wjb1492 on Apr 17, 2008 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all relative
I wouldn't compare Chicago to other teams when trying to judge their progress. We should compare this year's team to last year's team. These incidents were not around last year. So why this year?
If you start to draw in relativity to other teams the Bulls will look like angels.
What's also possible is that the players just grew to use Skiles as their voice to the press. I don't remember Deng, Gordon, Hinrich, or anyone else on the team being outspoken. I remember KC's captains vote article where Ben Wallace didn't even raise his hand in the team vote. Ben's a silent leader. Yea right.
Once Noah started talking I wanted to encourage him, but it's a terrible precedent because he's a rookie. OK, 23 years old, a two time champ, but still a rookie. However, when the team has no other talker which is really a lack of a leader then what does Noah do? He adapts. He wants to survive.
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So they're the adolescent Bulls instead of the
Everything is relative, but that doesn't mean there is no value in trying to step back occasionally in an effort to get a wider view. What's wrong with the Bulls looking like angels (in the off-court sense, at least) for a bit? Maybe Pax and the media need to remember what it was like before the well-behaved kiddies showed up. I'm actually hoping that, with the season over and the guys having a chance to get away from the mess and reflect on it a bit, this season's misery will actually end up being productive for the rest of the careers.
by wjb1492 on Apr 17, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Team outing for paintball
I really don't know. This was a bad season to push the team to talk to the media more. I hope the team will be as open as possible this Summer.
Short of the few instances off the court, I don't recall the other players demonstrating a lack of professionalism off the floor. It was the lack of professionalism on the floor that troubled me.
This came out in games where our opponents would run the same exact plays over and over and the players on the court just never saw it, nor did they adapt to defend it. This didn't happen last year because the TEAM brought it every single night. Teams hated playing us. This season they couldn't wait to play us.
Once Boylan became coach I figured the team would settle into a static rotation. They didn't. Once they traded Wallace and Smith I figured Boylan would play the kids. They didn't. Therefore the team was lost. They skipped on putting the youth in charge of winning and opted to execute a rotation of predictable mediocrity.
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in total agreement re: on-court issues
by wjb1492 on Apr 17, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 17, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree!!
by chgobr on Apr 17, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Rodman suspended
by alec on Apr 17, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all about roles and minutes
by shoryuken on Apr 17, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hanley said this morning on radio
The ego maniac take didn't occur until after both Deng and Gordon let it be known they felt "insulted" about the offers, and that Pax wasn't really negotiating. And then the numbers leaked and everyone with a brain in their head said the players were crazy. I don't think Pax got Gilbert Arenas or Charles Barkley to criticize Luol and Ben, I think they reached that conclusion all on their own.
Did the players need to be told you have to show up at work on time? And show up when you're supposed, just don't play hookey.
The trib was hard on the players, but that wasn't anything new. I don't think the Sun-times or Daily Herald were particularly. Some sports radio was, but that's sports radio for you.
by KT on Apr 17, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
by bullshooter on Apr 17, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who's the big tough guy?
I'm with you that Deng and Gordon shouldn't have felt 'insulted' by not getting a counter-offer, and worse yet let it affect their play. But leaking the contract offers so everyone could call them idiots (heck, Reinsdorf said 'one guy told me he regretted it') wasn't cool either.
But for others, I don't think the minutes yo-yoing combined with Skiles Skowls (and the Boylan BlankStares) automatically should've bred 'proving them wrong' attitudes. They're in the NBA, they get paid either way.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 17, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I realize 'discipline' coaches are
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 17, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on Skiles
by bullshooter on Apr 17, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt............
by Ibleedbullsred on Apr 17, 2008 6:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hornets = Bobcats now
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Season series doesn't matter
by wjb1492 on Apr 17, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh thats good to know , you learn somthing new
by Ibleedbullsred on Apr 17, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anyone
by hughes sucks on Apr 17, 2008 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2 lower paid non allstars but don't we need an
by Ibleedbullsred on Apr 17, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all depends on the players
by NBA Observer on Apr 17, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone see Sam Smith on CLTV tonight?
Sam thinks Paxson made a mistake in trying to fit the players to the coach with Skiles. He thinks this time Paxson will try to fit the coach to the players.
by alec on Apr 17, 2008 6:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Please no, just hire the best coach available.
by Ibleedbullsred on Apr 17, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and that would be..?
by ChiTownCritic on Apr 17, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he wants Thibodeau
by alec on Apr 17, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thibodeau,
by ChiTownCritic on Apr 17, 2008 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
7:00 CST tonight on WYCC
by alec on Apr 17, 2008 6:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It'll be strange if Carlisle is the choice
by Big D on Apr 17, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm for Jeff Van Gundy
He led the New York Knicks to the Finals at age 37!! He's had 2 successful stints (though without a Championship), and he's still 'only' 47 years old. He's just at the age where coaches start to mellow, and he can start applying everything he's learned at the other jobs (Knicks and Rockets).
And his teams have always been top-6 in defensive rating (opp points per 100 poss). In 9 complete seasons his teams have always finished 2 through 6 in defensive rating, averaging #4.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Apr 17, 2008 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
VanGundy knows the league and based on his
by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 18, 2008 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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