Open Game Thread #74: Bulls vs Boston Celtics
I remember when I was choosing between the 11-game season ticket plan options, and seeing this game against Boston on the schedule was a major factor in picking the option it was under.
I thought Boston would be obviously far better than the previous season (as people were too busy worrying about whether Kevin Garnett was a 'winner' or not to see how good he really was) but there were some things to be worried about. Namely injuries and poor play from the supporting cast. Not exactly brilliant observations at the time, and they've proven to be even more worthless now.
I also said the Bulls would have the best record in the conference to end the season...
Point is, now that the game is finally upon us, my enthusiasm in the Bulls is startlingly far below what I expected them to be at this point. So much so that the tickets for the game I was possibly most excited over (needling Celtics fans was one of my favorite things to do on the internet) have now been sold off.
The Celtics have done a fairly good job promptly putting away inferior opponents, which is what they'll try and do tonight. While they're pretty comfortably in the first seed, it's a team that goes all-out nearly every night. A reason why I thought the 8th seed wasn't even a hope worth pursuing. Guess we don't have to worry about that!
Drew Gooden (and Aaron Gray, who knew?) are likely out for tonight's game. The Celtics like to play small their own damned selves, so I wouldn't be surprised if we still see Tyrus, while starting, getting limited minutes. When they go small it's still with Kevin Garnett, when the Bulls do the same it's with the Noc.
Something to watch for? eh, I'm stumped. Doesn't mean I'm not open to the possibility of finding something though, provide your reasons below. Sarcastic entries encouraged.
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I'm in total stat watching mode by now,
It makes me really sad to realize that my hopes for the Bulls have been reduced to not being utterly humiliated.
I wish I was a Celtic's fan
by ihatenoce on Apr 1, 2008 7:05 PM CDT reply actions
My husband
Same with my dad
by ihatenoce on Apr 1, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
at least my bf isn't a fan
i hate their announcers.. the one dude's voice is so grating it's like painful to listen to.
i swear boston is the only city where they don't try to find someone with a generic accent doing the play by play. it seems even the southerners find people that are comprehendible.
instead you just got this asshole going on about his tommy points.
anyone else
lol
Sounds good to Bulls fans..... Not so good if you
And yet the seniors on the team could
Crean has few seniors
He'll live to regret leaving Marquette where he was the undisputed king of campus. Indiana isn't going to be kind to him.
by KT on Apr 1, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know why people are upset at Tyrus
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 7:51 PM CDT reply actions
There is no reason for anyone to be upset with
Kirk showing why is really is only good enough to
Right now, watching this team
by Freethefro on Apr 1, 2008 8:04 PM CDT reply actions
missed the first 10 minutes
DUHON?!?
by Freethefro on Apr 1, 2008 8:14 PM CDT reply actions
The coaching staff is really the garbage that
I feel like at every position
Hughes short arms alot of shots
LOL
by RogersPark Kris on Apr 1, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
the bulls are playing defense
WHY THE HELL DO U CALL TIMEOUT
by bullsfaninla on Apr 1, 2008 8:27 PM CDT reply actions
where is homegrown?
hUGHes
It's awful
by Freethefro on Apr 1, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Noah and TT have a ton of potential
is anybody else listening to the justin.tv feed?
I'm all for TT getting more playing time
by RogersPark Kris on Apr 1, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice to see Tyrus play...
Stupid franchise.
Can't wait until he gets traded for the retroactive rights to Cliff Livingston, epitome of grit.
Does it look to anyone else
All the talk about Tyrus' team mates not likeing him--it doesn't look at all like that's how they're playing.
...maybe Tyrus is just their proxy to stick it to Boylan.
Paxson's probably showcasing Tyrus...
(I'm bitter)
Boylan is the biggest
IN keeping with the theme of this
I couldn't rouse myself to make the effort.
Boylan has drained the passion out of me.
wow
Are the Bulls' coaches really cyborgs
Because the staff CANNOT go through even a brief interview without mentioning the elusive "energy."
they're doubling KG
Perhaps
by RogersPark Kris on Apr 1, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
This is exactly the sort of lethargic, logy
They are playing better than I expected
Regardless of ANYONE else on the Bulls
Get the F rid of that pussy.
Hughes is ass
by Freethefro on Apr 1, 2008 9:06 PM CDT reply actions
Hughes sucks!!!
Boylan's playing Hughes
I propose...
Tyrus had a foul at the
And none since. Good job Tyrus.
Boylan's quotes about him in today's paper were mostly about TT getting in foul trouble.
The guy doesn't seem uncoachable at all to me.
Say what you want about Duhon ...
He's all but gone next season, but I think that's a mistake. There aren't many serviceable backups that are true points in the league. I don't like BG at point, I'm not comfortable with Thabo trying to be a point forward, and Larry Hughes is just fucking terrible.
Unless we can somehow draft Derrick Rose, I believe we should keep the Hinrich/Duhon depth chart at the 1.
agreed on all counts
the worst part
I agree 100%
I'm flippin' between the Angels / twinkies
(sigh)
PLEASE
went to three Garland games
here's your lineup of the future
it was always the lineup of the future
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
True...
Boylan's massaging Gooden's abs
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate to say it
by Freethefro on Apr 1, 2008 9:12 PM CDT reply actions
It wil be funny
It's all the teaching
by Freethefro on Apr 1, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
who cares what we say
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
It is completely and utterly obvious that
Look at how he plays tonight with Gooden out.
Look at how he played against Denver right after the trade of Wallace.
He isn'r perfect, but he will be a good player in this league. I doubt it will be with the Bulls, sadly.
he's having a good game
So you're saying...
tygger you are so monotonous
of course there's a reason
bullshooter index: Tyrus must score 24 points every game to earn minutes.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
plus yet again
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Matt
"before we commission the statue."
As you've said on many an occasion to others, the game isn't even over and you have to crap on a player's good performance. Stop being soooo negative. relax.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
it's hyperbole
Wow Sick CSN people we got here
by BG74EVER on Apr 1, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions
The really frustrating/infuriating
stupid commercials
by BG74EVER on Apr 1, 2008 9:27 PM CDT reply actions
TT24
by BG74EVER on Apr 1, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply actions
REPLY TT24
by BG74EVER on Apr 1, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
i hate Gray!
by BG74EVER on Apr 1, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions
why does Dore
Tom Dore: "Tony Brothers says enough! He says enough!"
ugh
i dont get it .... if this is
by BG74EVER on Apr 1, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions
wow. no, but it would only make sense, since its
by BG74EVER on Apr 1, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
huh?
step it up deng
deng sucks
by BG74EVER on Apr 1, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
OMG NOOOOOOO
by BG74EVER on Apr 1, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply actions
lol
by BG74EVER on Apr 1, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
OK that was needlessly mean:
by Freethefro on Apr 1, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
anybody notice BG in the corner
i saw that too
omg
by BG74EVER on Apr 1, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions
That's a classic BG TO.
classic, loose ball BG blunder
WTG Gordon.
yeah but
hmmm
No - he make TO's
You're obviously a BG liker...
I am not.
No big deal...have an other beer, Norm.
no harm no foul
damn
hughes
i know that
boylan quit
by BG74EVER on Apr 1, 2008 9:48 PM CDT reply actions
It's been that way
And another clutch-time clank
hopefully
by BG74EVER on Apr 1, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah...you said that a few minutes ago...
no,
by BG74EVER on Apr 1, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
holy ****
by BG74EVER on Apr 1, 2008 9:53 PM CDT reply actions
doesnt the time seem like it runs faster
by BG74EVER on Apr 1, 2008 9:55 PM CDT reply actions
is that a problem?
by BG74EVER on Apr 1, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, I thought you were kidding about the email
I know what you're thinking
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
eh, it could be though
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't posted on this board for long
I'll give Boylan credit
That said, Thabo and Duhon played the same amount of minutes.
It's absolutely shocking that Thomas would produce when given minutes. Completely floored. You can't predict things like that.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:17 PM CDT reply actions
he wasn't given minutes
oh god, you're buying into the excuse
define 'trouble'.
As a reminder, you can't carry over the extra fouls to the next game.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
::shakes head::
You really believe that? man...you'd think after so many times of questioning whether I can believe what you're saying, I'd just start to ignore it. Like you suggest we do with Boylan.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
bullshooter
I think Matt thinks
I can picture you nodding and agreeing
Is foul trouble just the latest one? Or have you always thought this was the case?
Instead of answering poor some pepsi on your keyboard.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I mean, come on.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Matt
Have you forgotten that
How about
you tend to learn from experience
You know what's interesting?
I find it interesting
Much easier to go 'quit whining' and 'chill out', I suppose.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
That's because
he did show a good nose
That said, it's a pretty serious accusation, since it's such a rare and all-so-sad occurance. In fact, I would appreciate that any other suggestions go to my email and not on the site.
And to avoid confusion, from my end Illini15 is legit.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
I read this site for a while and found it pretty entertaining so I figured I might as well post. Who is this Scottie you speak of?
he's probably still lurking
let's hear it
Nah ...
I think.
i resent
by ScottieCartwright on Apr 2, 2008 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Give it up, Illini,
I have lower expectations for you
We can all chillax and deal when it's accepted that Tyrus has been jerked around for both fair and unfair reasons. The fact that you can't agree with it means you can't 'deal with it' apparently.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
when did I ever disagree with that?
but what about the foul trouble??????
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
foul trouble isn't an acceptable excuse
unless it's for the unacceptable excuses
Gooden being out helps too.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm the sole arbiter of that.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
My mistake your excellency...
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 1, 2008 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt it
But if you let me know your blog's feed I'll gladly add it to my reading list. I recently unsubscribed to JoeJoe's blog, so there's a void.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
FYI...
by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 1, 2008 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, stunning development with Tyrus
At least Duhon was playing reasonably well tonight. Still couldn't disagree more with Boylan's stated reasons for playing him, but it's easier to bear when he's not sucking. And while I'd rather have Thabo than Du, I'd also rather have Du than Larry (especially on a particularly bad shooting night).
yeah, but
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
So I'll have plenty of time to suffer
And I reserve the right to completely change my stance should the bizarre happen and the Bulls somehow decide to keep Du.
I think Hughes couuuuld be good for us next year
by ihatenoce on Apr 1, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
How would you rank the guards?
I would go something like:
Thabo
BG
Kirk
Du
Hughes
In a dream situation, this summer Pax would somehow unload both Kirk and Larry, re-sign BG, and draft a stud PG (Rose, Mayo, Westbrook). Then go into next year with the depth chart looking like...
PG: Lottery pick PG/Duhon
SG: Thabo/BG
It's a shame that Kirk will be tough to get rid of and it will be nearly impossible to dump Larry.
Thoughts?
My thoughts probably dont count
Thabo-
Theres just way too much upside with him, there are some things you can develop in teh game...things like height, defense, courtvision and reflexes, etc. Thabo has the size, and the desire to play defense, and his body shows signs that it can hold more muscle and get stronger. Then theres the things you could practice and still develop, the one that really comes to mind is shooting. Thabo can get a more accurate shot if he works at it. He has decent ball handlings skills, and he may never be one to create his own shot, but i can see him playing a B. Bowen like game.
Kirk-
I know half of bulls fans dont like him, but its usually because its a tear between him or gordon, i guess its always been a question if gordon and hinrich can coexist on a team just due to the nature of size. Hinrich i believe is a Great guard, though his biggest problem may be that he is smack dab in the middle of being a true Pg and a true sg.
He has the abilities to score from beyond the arc and inside it, yet lacks the killer instinct drive to do so especially under pressure. He has great basketball iq and court vision, but lacks the ball handling skills, reaction, and reflexes to rack up assists. I think the way people who dont like him see it is that he can never be a great shooting guard and he can never be a great point guard so he sucks, yet i see it in the light of, put a great pg next to him, and he will excel as a sg, put a great sg next to him, and he will excell as a pg.
His defense is also highly criticized (much like everything he does), in 2006 he probably shouldve made the defensive team, but because the bulls were still unknowns he didnt, he finally got it last year although he wasnt as great on defense last year as opposed to the year of 06, this year everyone sucked at everything, but more importantly hinrich didnt excell at defense. Besides all that, i still think if in any concept, hinrich is a top 10 in defensive guard categories.
uhh, but i regress, i am a hinrich fan so my opinions about him probably dont matter.
BG7-
No doubt he is our best scorer, he is an assasin from all areas of the court, leaving him open is the biggest mistake any team could ever make. He is short, but it doesnt matter, he is on teh bench but i like him as a starter (until thabo or kirk step up offensively).
He can start from the bench and still be hot, once hot its hard to cool off. He is serious on the court and has a desire to be better then he is today, and that makes me like him.
He is undersized though, and lacks defense, his ball handling skills are fancy at times, and attrocious at others, he likes to look for his shot (as he should) and find others later. He may not be able to answer in teh last five seconds of the game or a quarter, but if you give him the chance, he can create a lead high enough in three minutes that the last five seconds wont matter.
If he ever went to the suns or the spurs or any western conference team, he would be an all star without a doubt. However on this team, the way it is constructed he would be a liability, although he works well with hinrich, its just on defense the two of them wont be able to contain the kobes, carters, and jeffersons of the league. Thabo nor hughes are either good enough pgs, or have the right chemistry to work with bg7 right, and so he is probably having a hard time this season.
Du-
What???? Hey he is a solid backup, he shouldnt start, he shouldnt get more minutes then thabo kirk or bg, but he wants to play, he doesnt mind coming off the bench, and at times he can be servicable on all areas. he is a solid bench player, solid backup guard, solid person to blame things on when games go sour. Id take him over hughes.
Hughes-
He shoots alot, he can score of course, and has a strong build. He has decent court vision and passing ability, and is a good ball handler. thats all the good i have for him, cuz all he is theory.
The truth is he has no desire to work hard, the only time he really did was for a contract, and i imagine he will hard only in contract years. He doesnt slash, and so that promise he already broke, he looks for his shot too much and really wants to be a star, so better guards will never get a chance to be better (thabo, bg). He takes horrid shots (because he thinks he is kobe or lebron) he doesnt push himself all out on d (or else he would be a force) he looks for his shot more then bg does... he CAN bring alot to the table, but simply chooses not to, for this reason alone he should go away because he, more than any player on this team, chooses to be a team cancer, its not so much what the coaching staff makes him do, but what he simply does himself. Well at least hes better then wallace, i think...
Those are my thoughts at least on the guards, like i said because i am a hinrich fan nothing i say about him probably is going to be recieved as possible truths (except to other hinrich fans) and my whole argument becomes moot and biased, but i truly do try to rationalize and logically think things through...i try at least. so for the long rant.... SORRY
Hughes
Yea personality
YEa
some disagreements
do you watch the game?
um, yes?
Is it possible
I dont think he ignores players, but tries to make smart moves, and although hitting the guy in the paint might lead to an effective play, its not easy to hit a guy in the paint. Post players are different, they tend to start sort outside of the paint and work there way in, so its easy to give them an entry pass. Tyrus and noah usually move in and out of the paint, and its a much harder pass, which i think u would agree hinrich is probably not good enough to hit.
In other words, i dont think its lack of vision that causes him not to feed the guy for that spectacular dunk in the paint, but his lack of assertiveness or wanting to take such a risk with a pass.
THats how i see it though...ive already stated my opinions on hinrich may be biased, but i suppose its possible people who dont like hinrich may end up being biased against him. Im not saying its a factual case with u, but i am asking you to question yourself if that could be the case with yourself.
I don't hate Hinrich
Soka
However considering my original post, and ures, i dont know if this is more evidence of hinrich having poor court vision, or just making bad decisions...i also think this sort of problem can be worked out so it probably doesnt automatically mean he can never be a decent pg or player even.
Hinrich has flaws, of course he probably isnt an all star level guard, but i think he is serviceable to the extent that though he may not be a pure sg or pure pg, putting him next to another all star guard would set his role better and allow him to play alot better. I think he and gordon are really tied in value towards the team. And that in terms of which guard has to go, he may not be dead last but should be a close second.
I wont repeat myself (not that i havent already) so if anyone wants to reread my post above you can see what i feel about the guards. Also Parrotman apologiez if my posts annoy you or anything, i just thought i should give you an answer to your posts...although i dont mean to go into an impossible argument.

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