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Open Game Thread #63: Bulls at Detroit Pistons

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[ed. note: Thanks to chgobr for today's game preview. -Matt]

Angles to today's Detroit game.

1- You cannot ignore the shocking possibility of the Bull's sweeping the 2007-08 Detroit series with a win tonight.  The Bulls have won 5 straight regular season games against a Detroit team that is 23-5 at home.
2- Motivational bounce-back from the ESPN tongue-lashing.  During the Boston game the ESPN announcers repetitively pointed out how we are a pathetic, defensively weak, lifeless, non-hustling, jump-shooting, shitty team.  Despite some of us agreeing it seemed a bit harsh.  
3- Our Boylan frustration is highlighted by his cliché coaching after the Boston game.  

We had some looks; they just weren't going down. We looked a little fatigued. We just didn't seem to have an answer for them.'
4- TT and Thabo should return today.
5- Watch Deng and Gordon play.  Are they playing poorly or just not as good as we thought?  Today's game contributes to the summer salary negotiations melodrama which heats up in July.
6- Will Noah continue his stellar play?  He may be the steal of the 2007 draft. Who now would take Ji, Hawes or Corey Brewer over Noah?
7- The half-full entry - Despite Boylan's ineptitude I am happier today after moving the Corpse for Hughes and Gooden.  
8- We are ½-game behind NJ and 1 behind Atlanta for the 8th spot

There isn't much we don't know about this Detroit team. Rasheed Wallace sat out the last game with a sore ankle. I think they just wanted to rest him against the pathetic Knicks and I expect him to play tonight. I do not know of any Detroit injuries that would keep them from playing tonight.  The only thing in the Detoit papers a bit interesting is McDyess's recent poor play

Pistons forward Antonio McDyess hasn't been quite the same steady factor over the last four games. After having eight double-digit rebounding performances in February, McDyess hasn't cracked six boards in four games. He also averaged just 3.25 points in that span.

As usual - I hope our Bulls play well and we can enjoy a rare surprise win.

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Poor Thabo
will have to earn his starting spot back. That should be what 2-3 games if ever? Anyway I will be happy just to see him on the floor again. Hope TT just comes out and kicks ass today too.

If they lose tonight you can blame me as I'm wearing my Bulls shirt today.

by sue369 on Mar 9, 2008 10:17 AM CDT reply actions  

I wouldn't mind a lazy Detroit today
I have no faith in Boylan to get the team going after a bad loss like the last one.  It's up to guys like Joakim to come out and set an example with strong play.  Get Sheed in foul trouble, and for the love of God Deng please don't just take that damn pet jumper against Tayshaun Prince all game long.  
Dickey Simpkins>Ben Wallace

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 9, 2008 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

We're better off, right?
If I'm convinced our lineup is better without Wallace and the Bulls already have success against Detroit with Wallace, then tonight should be no problem, right?

I'm not sure what to expect. I'm actually slightly worried.

by ForWhomTheBullTolls on Mar 9, 2008 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm better off
just from not having to hear about Wallace and his old buddies.  If I never hear another story about broken dinner plans I can die happy.
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 9, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm curious to see
how Noah can do on Wallace.  He has the foot-speed to stay with him on the perimeter and the length to at least bother Rasheed in the post.  As we saw against the Celtics, Joakim fares better against long, rangy players (Garnett) than he does against the brute strength type (Perkins), so this might be a good matchup.  He's a good player now, but he can be an excellent one when he adds strength (not necessarily weight) and a shot.  

by Freethefro on Mar 9, 2008 2:14 PM CDT reply actions  

AHHH
No Jon Barry... I'm smiling already!

by ForWhomTheBullTolls on Mar 9, 2008 7:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Gee, why would anyone take offense
to a lovely blanket statement like that.
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 9, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love women.
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know who they are
but I'd take this team any day over Jon "I wasted 16 years of my life not contributing to a championship team" Barry.

by ForWhomTheBullTolls on Mar 9, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate this broadcaster
Ben Gordon's not a pure shooter. He's a pure scorer.

WTF?

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Mar 9, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

i like her
she's cool

by ihatenoce on Mar 9, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great start by Gooden.
Not.
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 7:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Assuming the broadcast crew was correct
when they said Du would dress but not play, does it seem completely ridiculous to call his punishment a fine instead of a suspension?  I think he should be suspended anyway, personally.
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 9, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are these refs
planning on having Chauncey Billups love-child?  Wtf?

by Freethefro on Mar 9, 2008 7:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Noah is my reason for watching.
Now if they would just sit Gooden.
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 7:26 PM CDT reply actions  

It's unbelievable
that was so blatant.  The NBA sucks.  Not just the Bulls.  This league wide coddling of "stars", so clearly with economic origins, is handmaiden to the crap product that the NBA puts out nightly.  I'm starting to enjoy college basketball more, despite its inferior athletes, shooting percentages, moments.

by Freethefro on Mar 9, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

good point
but I don't think they got handed the Cal game.

by Freethefro on Mar 9, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Full confession:
I'm a KU fan, and it pisses me off that the "experts" seem to be so impressed by UCLA barely squeaking those games out with some help from the refs - yeah, it counts as a W, but no, I don't find it so incredible to barely beat Cal in a home game.

Anyway, I think the behind the backboard rule is stupid, so that doesn't bother me much, but when the bench is yelling at the UCLA players to foul and the Cal guy is getting mugged on the rebound before that last possession, I find it ridiculous they didn't call the foul.

But I'll quit with the NCAA talk before Matt Joe-Joe's me to blog Siberia.

Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 9, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Boylan TO speech...
OK, boys, I am the coach here. Me. I. J-I-M B-O-Y-L-A-N. The Jimmeister. JImmy Jim Jim. Big Jim. This is my timeout. I own every second. Tyrus, you're suspended for the length of this TO. Make it two TO's. We are going to a five guard lineup. Call Jameson up from the D-League, then suspend him for ten minutes, then play him.
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 7:30 PM CDT reply actions  

I think it is safe to say
that the honeymoon between the bulls and hughes is over.  His shot selection sucks.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 9, 2008 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Hughes and Gooden got traded because they
are trash.

Just like Wallace was.

A different sort of trash with a unique stench, but trash nonetheless.

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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have actually been happily surprised
by Gooden, he seems servicable (probably because his contract is up next year.)  Hughes obviously doesn't give a shit and is going to jack up bad shots to make up for lost time.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 9, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

there never was a honeymoon
you're kidding right?

by BULLSHIT on Mar 9, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes...
Like throwing a post entry pass into the front row after dribbling the length of the court by himself.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a bad pass, but he didn't dribble the
length of the court himself by choice.

Noce hadn't passed midcourt, got doubled, and dropped it off to Tyrus. He had to get it over the time line.

Then he should have dropped it to Kirk.

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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly...
"he should have dropped it off to Kirk".

Not to beat a dead horse but that's the kind of thing you learn from practice, and the kind of mistake a rookie makes.

Same old Tyrus.

If Gooden had done that this board would have jumped all over him.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gooden has been in the league five years.
He has no real upside.

He isn't going to improve by playing.

TT will.

And so far, this game, Gooden has thrown up a couple of airballs and played shit defense. Last game, he got thrown out. Useless bearded clam.

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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you talking about Tyrus?
On one other play, he cleared out the side, then beat hsi man off the dribble and got fouled. That's a positive play.

On another play, he got the ball from Luol as he was cutting down the lane, went up and got hammered. No call. But not a bad play by Tyrus.

On another play, Tyrus threw a nice pass over the top of two defenders to Luol, who cut in, got blocked, then had Noah clean up the miss.

Those are the only other offensive plays that Tyrus had, so far as I can recall.

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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

everybody trying to do things their own way
is why the bulls are 10 games under .500.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 9, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was
just silly. Kirk clapped his hands to get Tyrus to give him the ball and the Tyrus throws it away.

by sue369 on Mar 9, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I try not to complain about the refs...
but the last two games have just been difficult to tolerate.
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Once again
the announcers cannot contain their awe at how hard we blow.  oy.  

by Freethefro on Mar 9, 2008 7:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Is our bench(with Gordon)
better then theirs???Wow
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Mar 9, 2008 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

YES
WE CAN!

by ForWhomTheBullTolls on Mar 9, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't wait till he's gone
and tyler handsboroughgough is in. so long, streakiness :)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I used to think BG was inconsistent
and infuriating.

Then I saw Larry Hughes.

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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

BG is inconsistent
hence the debate about whether to keep him or not.  Hughes is completely consistent and consequently, there is no debate...
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 9, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

agree
And if only Deng will play like 10 mil/year player.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Mar 9, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gordon gets abused in the past by Detroit...
Reminds me of last year's playoffs.
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 7:58 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL. Yes, post.
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Noah...
must be short for no-calls

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 7:59 PM CDT reply actions  

These call are terribe.
I'm not normally one to complain about calls, but it seems like we're so bad we don't get any respect at all now.

by BoxingHideout on Mar 9, 2008 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Boylan is
like that cool uncle that buys you beer when you're 16

by Orlando Woolridge on Mar 9, 2008 8:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Then later gets arrested for
being a pedarast.
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahahaha
yeah, i was thinking "and lives in the basement", but pederast will do

by Orlando Woolridge on Mar 9, 2008 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or...
That weird guy that owned the bicycle shop who tried to molest Dudley.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah and when he doesnt want to
buy it for you anymore, they call you a punkass uncle and start disrespecting you.

by violentdiarrhea on Mar 9, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why can't Deng
make this F..... layup????????!!!!
Noah saved his ass once by tiping.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Mar 9, 2008 8:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Why does Luol miss so many
close shots?
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 8:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Because the Pistons...
Are one of the most physical teams in the East... The Bulls are hearing footsteps.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, err, he also had trouble against
Cleveland.
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who else is phisycal
in that team other than LBJ?
Delonte West?;)
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Mar 9, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Physical on Cleveland....
Ben "The Body" Wallace (LMAO) I hate that guy these days, but there is no denying he is physical!!!  Also Varejao and Devin Brown are pretty physical guys (that is when Varejao isn't flopping).

But seeing as though LeBron matches up with Luol Deng, that in and of itself is a problem for him.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 9, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can I say again about Deng....
... that this man struggles mightily against teams with superior athletes.  Especially when his jump shot isn't falling.  He is not what you'd call "explosive".  So when he goes to the basket he can easily be impeded by those "explosive" guys.  He is not capable of creating a lot of offense on his own.  I wish so badly he'd develop a post up game.  If he did that then he'd take the leap from average player to elite player because then i don't think there would be any stopping him at all.  That lil 19' jumper and cuttin' to the basket waiting for others to create for him ain't gonna cut it.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 9, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know...
you want him to be a superstar. BELIEVE YOU, you do.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matt...
You are right.  I am VERY hard on Luol Deng and have stronger opinions pertaining to him than most others.  But I believe it's fair.  I guess I just feel like everyone is settling for him being alright instead of demanding better of him.  If I didn't think he had the tools to be great then I wouldn't harp on him like I do.  But he does have to tools, but will he ever realize his potential?  I don't know, but I've started to think not.  I think he may be a constant 19pts 7rbds guy.  That's fine, but with all the money we pay Noc, Hinrich and now Hughes, we may not be able to pay a guy big money who is only putting up those modest numbers.

I look at Deng and I see his game could be like past players like Adrian Dantley, Bernard King and Mark Aguirre.  Neither of those guys were great athletes and were overmatched in that category nearly every night, but they all had a back to the basket game that allowed them to dominate.

I attached a little stat comparison chart for fun.  Shows Dantley and King in year one of their careers (Aguirre in year two because he was hurt in year one and Deng in year three because that has been his best season).

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=dantlad01&y1=19 77&p2=aguirma01&y2=1983&p3=kingbe01&y3=1978&p4=denglu01&y4=2007

by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 9, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

you guys beat me to the punch
by saying that lu sucks and can not finish...what happened to the guy that was not tradable

by bullzfan148 on Mar 9, 2008 8:04 PM CDT reply actions  

don't know
who was that guy? it wasn't Deng...

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good thing Luol can't finish.
Why are so many here so stupid?
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Mar 9, 2008 8:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Dude, I don't know if it is a
lingering injury or what, but Luol has had a lot of trouble finishing around the rim over the last ten games or so.
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sort of.
But it's not that bad. The stats say there's a drop off from 66% eFG to 60% eFG on inside shots. He's also doing worse on his jump shots, though. I guess if you're talking about shots getting blocked, though, that's been a lot worse, from 10% to 14%.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Mar 9, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

that'd be a bad idea
because he seems to have forgotten the plays after skipping just one.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 9, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Forgotten?
You assume he knew the plays in the first place.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

If only Boylan would play Gooden more,
the Bulls would be winnning by 10.

Oh, wait...

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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You should try to be funny...
...when doing your contrarian bot; it'd make it more enjoyable.

So... on one hand, the Bulls don't have a go-to guy who wants to take charge. OTOH, Thomas trying to do an iso is selfish. Woe is me! I can't follow the logic!!!

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Mar 9, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

tygger tygger tygger
you can't follow the logic?  Shocker.  There are several guys who I'd rather take charge before TT.  That doesn't mean I don't think TT can be a very valuable component or a difference maker like Noah, but he's got to do it in the constraints of the offense, not go it alone.  He isn't that good.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 9, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

But he did score on that play! :)
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

he got a free throw
who's to say he couldn't have gotten a bucket instead by passing the ball around a little bit?  Do you really think the answer is to give the ball to TT and let him create from the perimeter?
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 9, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Golden State wonders...
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Mar 9, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what you are saying is
that you'd rather have Drew "Don't call me Dwight" Gooden over Jason Maxiell?

by RogersPark Kris on Mar 9, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

all day, every day
and twice on Tuesday.  What can Maxiel do beside dunk?
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 9, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

While I agree he isn't a prolific scorer
Neither is Gooden and Maxiell (while some may argue is "thuggish") plays better in front court trenches where you have to be physical to get the rebounds/box out. In fact, he instigates the contact as oppose to shying away form it.

by RogersPark Kris on Mar 9, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maxiel is...
Out there to protect the rim and be tenacious on offense.

Gooden maybe isn't as much of an enforcer, but he's the best the Bulls have in that right now.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know how much longer
I can take this.

Every time I see Boylan, I want to strangle him.

I hate him.

Stupid ass Cyrano De Bullgerac.

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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 8:15 PM CDT reply actions  

i am really...
wanting thabo back doesn anyone know when he will be back

by bullzfan148 on Mar 9, 2008 8:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Like the game isn't bad enough,
we get Stephen A. at the half?
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 9, 2008 8:19 PM CDT reply actions  

The Bulls better get a fantastic coach
in the offseason.
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 8:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Boylan, post-sans-keys
alright guys, I want you to look for my keys for a full 48 minutes. keep the pressure...on my keys. Stay positive about finding my keys. We need everyone pulling together to get these keys, if you don't believe in finding my keys you'll be sitting next to me, and I don't have my keys.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Three airballs by the Beard!
Woohooo!
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 8:32 PM CDT reply actions  

he is actually
playing pretty good at the beginning of 3
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Mar 9, 2008 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

About Deng not being very physical......
... do you guys think that Deng is one of those guys who lifts weights but his body type for whatever reason doesn't seem to show it?  He doesn't strike me as being one of those Tayshaun Prince guys who can't get bigger.  Prince is rail thin but Deng looks like he has a frame that can put on muscle.  

But you can look at LeBron when he was a rookie and look at him now and easily tell that he has gotten stronger.  There are other examples but LeBron is the most obvious example.  Deng looks heavier, but not necessarily stronger.  It appears he doesn't have much upper body strength and no explosion in his legs.  What do you guys think?

by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 9, 2008 8:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Another example.
Ben Gordon obviously lifts weights.  He is visibly stronger than he was 4 years ago (although that hasn't seemed to help him be any more careful with the ball...lol)

by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 9, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lebron is...
A freak of nature. He looked like a man in high school.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

True he is no doubt a freak of nature...
... but he was still skinny compared to how he looks now.  But we can remove LeBron from the question.  Like I said he is an extreme example.

I'm just saying I wonder what kind of working out Deng does.  He could be so much better on both ends of the court if he added some real strength to his frame.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 9, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice move Noah.
If he can do that he could be serious next year.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

hinrich cannot guard rip
rip curls for a layup
rip gets fouled by kirk

Gordon subs for Kirk!

"It's been a rough night for Kirk Hinrich." - Dan Shulman

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Guarding Rip...
Is like guarding Reggie Miller. It's almost never a one man job.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

not necessarily
bowen use to guard reggie 1-on-1

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree ...
the only way to effectively cover a shooter/scorer like reggie/rip ... who is constantly on the move ... is with a great off-the-ball cover guy + good 'help' from teammates ... ie showing early vs screens

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...
That's exactly what I said. It's not a one man job. You need "help".

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

How can Gordon's defense be so bad?
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 8:39 PM CDT reply actions  

works both ways
in the gordon vs billups ... neither can stop the other

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

solid matchups everywhere
gordon vs billups
hughes vs rip
deng vs prince
gooden vs maxiell
noah vs mcdyess

det 62, chi 60

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 8:40 PM CDT reply actions  

hmm
what's happened since Hinrich went out?
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 9, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does anyone really think...
That ANYONE else on the Bulls plays as physical as Gooden?

I mean personal feelings aside, the guy bangs.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 8:40 PM CDT reply actions  

It's frustrating seeing how much better
the Pistons are at running plays off screens than the Bulls.

by RogersPark Kris on Mar 9, 2008 8:41 PM CDT reply actions  

other lineups so far tonight?
have noah and gray played at the same time yet this evening?

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow
Just turned on the game for the first time.

I saw how close they are ...

Then I read Wallace ain't playing. Makes sense now

by Option27 on Mar 9, 2008 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Looks like Prince
hurt it spreading his arms, trying to "sell" the call???

by marionette on Mar 9, 2008 8:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Noah must be wondering what sort
of chickenshit outfit he joined.
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 8:51 PM CDT reply actions  

doris burke
is brutal.

it's the opposite of what she just said ... right 'high foot' defense means the offense should attack going to his left (not to the right, as she just said)

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 8:52 PM CDT reply actions  

luol
deng looks like he's moving well of the ball this evening

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 8:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice help D by the Bangin' Beard.
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

gooden
is like a clydesdale ... ie slow as molasses ... playing with gordon, hughes, deng & noah ... all 1/4 horses

get him off ... for thomas (is he in the line-up tonight?) ... and chaicago's got a chance to stay close

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

not that sub
noc for noah is not the sub boylan should have made!!!

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thomas was in the lineup.
But then the Bulls remembered this isn't a YMCA pick up game. We actually want to run some plays every once in a while.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

on offense
but vs prince on D ... he's like a pylon

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Gordon shooting 100%
We should pay him his money...Or...wait
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Mar 9, 2008 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

gordon vs hinrich
how any bulls fan cannot see that gordon is so much better than hinrich ... vs a guy like billups ... is completely beyond me ... it's not even close

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:01 PM CDT reply actions  

you can't be serious
billups is having his way with BG offensively.  Fortunately, BG is unconscious offensively, too.  But BG is still -2 to Hinrich's +9.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 9, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's a good match-up
size, skill & quickness wise

gordon is soooo much better than hinrich, it's not funny

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

gordon
needs to be more aggressive he has not shot enough. He should shoot everytime down becasue he is the only one playing well on O

by bullzfan148 on Mar 9, 2008 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

there's no legit excuse
for only playing t thomas 3:49 in a game like this ... vs the bigs that detroit has

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Thomas would...
Be getting abused if he were out there more.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh, yeah dude, you need to go ahead
and look back at how Tyrus has played against Detroit over the last two years. He has had some very big games against the Pistons when he has played.

Go ahead and look.

That comment was unfounded.

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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...
Considering he was getting abused in the 3 minutes he did play, I'll stand by the statement.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

So 3 bad minutes means you get benched?
In that case, the Bulls probably ought to forfeit, because I don't think they'd be able to field a team most nights.

by Big D on Mar 9, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let him get abused!!!
That's how you get your weight up.  Somebody gets at you when you a young fella.  Eventually you get ya weight up and bring the real goods to the table.  Just like on the playgrounds of any ghetto U.S.A., you go out there when you a kid and get your a$$ busted.  When you get a lil' older you become one of the big boys and are able to compete with confidence and a higher skill level.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 9, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

finally
noah for gooden ... great sub for chicago!

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting how Flip Saunders.....
...just lets his young guys (Maxiel, Johnson, Stuckey) go out and play basketball and make their mistakes so that over time they'd be confident basketball players with big game experience.

Novel concept I guess.

Tyrus Thomas and Sefolosha could have used a bit of that last year.  If not last year then definitely earlier this year.  Could be too late for Tyrus.  I guess we'll see.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 9, 2008 9:08 PM CDT reply actions  

match-ups are the key
gordon, hughes, deng, noc, noah

and the pistons are forced to go match-up zone

... detroit doesn't do that vs hinrich ... ever

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:09 PM CDT reply actions  

amir's dunk
wouldn't have happened if he was being checked by t thomas ... instead of noc

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:10 PM CDT reply actions  

no shit
so does everyone here, all of chicago, and anyone that appreciates good basketball

by ihatenoce on Mar 9, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they'd play better if they hated Boylan
I think they are completely indifferent to Boylan...
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 9, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

detroit has no match-up advantage
vs the following line-up:

gordon, hughes, deng/noc, thomas, noah

it's a no-brainer

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

agreed
except anyone matched up on deng/noc has the advantage, the both blow

by ihatenoce on Mar 9, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joakim
should have gave old Jim a smack right there

by gobulls1124 on Mar 9, 2008 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Let TT play
Boylan is so stupid...

by bull83 on Mar 9, 2008 9:15 PM CDT reply actions  

We have 92 points...
With seven minutes remaining.

I'd say it's going way better than we could have ever hoped for on BOTH ends.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not really,
They are allowing way too many offensive rebounds.

by RogersPark Kris on Mar 9, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

down by 5...
With 5 to play, is fine by me.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

WTF
with rebounds tonight????
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Mar 9, 2008 9:17 PM CDT reply actions  

gordon is tired right now ...
hughes needs to become the focal point of the offense

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd have to call that about....
... the 15th best offensive trio in the league...lol.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 9, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

great
challenge by noah vs prince's corner J

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:20 PM CDT reply actions  

gordon to deng backdoor
gordon is a much better passer ... from the PG spot

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Deng hesitated on that.
He's a good player, but the Pistons are just too physical.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 9:21 PM CDT reply actions  

oh, my
gooden for nocioni is a terrible sub right now

chi 92, det 96 ... 5:29

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions  

sorry
chi 94, det 98 ... 5:29

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I hate boylan
Both are playing bad and he keeps TT on the bench. What a stupid guy...

by bull83 on Mar 9, 2008 9:27 PM CDT reply actions  

key sub in the game so far
gooden was lucky to get that dunk down

he's the key the rest of the way

can he get the job done?

I don't think so

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Detroit is so worried
they aren't even bringing billups back.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 9, 2008 9:27 PM CDT reply actions  

ridiculous
noc for noah ?????????

no shot-blocking on the floor for chicago

boylan is an idiot

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Great rotation again by the Bangin Beard.
But he does bang.
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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

But he bangs.
Come on, he does.

He bangs.

Yeah, bangin'.

Bangin on the late rotation.

He's like a percussion player.

Bang bang bang bang.

Or a six shooter.

Bang bang!

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

It took me a while
but I finally figured out who the banging beard is.  Good one.  :-)
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 9, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK
Gord0n needs to throw couple threes.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Mar 9, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

gordon is tired
right now ... chicago needs a time-out

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Good thing Luol can't finish.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Mar 9, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

he is doing much better..
the first half was just so terrible for him

by bullzfan148 on Mar 9, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

It shoul be and 1
why can't we finish strong 4 on1???
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Mar 9, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

so was it 2 games
or like, 2.8 games that tt got suspended for

by ihatenoce on Mar 9, 2008 9:32 PM CDT reply actions  

How does going 2-10 w/ 7 total REB
get Gooden 30 minutes? Holy shit, Boylan is a scared moron.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Mar 9, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

But dude, he BANGS.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Typical...
Always about the stats on here.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice!
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Mar 9, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

tv time-out
is just what chicago needed

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Ugh.
Especially with Detroit playing a big lineup.  Especially with Detroit playing Ratliff and Johnson so long, two guys who stay close to the hoop.  Especially with Tayshaun and Hamilton getting to the hole at will.  Especially since we're getting killed on the boards.

Yet we counter with Gooden and Nocioni inside.  I wish there was symbol on my keyboard for "shoot me now".

by YaoPau on Mar 9, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone needs to go this summer
Boylan or Tyrus.Hmmmm... Let me think.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Mar 9, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

except
if that's tt on w/gordon ... he makes a lob to the rim for a massive dunk

gooden is a clydesdale

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

the bulls are asking for a loss
how can you not play tyrus tonight? just pure asshole by boylan

by Jbasic89 on Mar 9, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

be fine with me
i wish we could have it on the court too

by ihatenoce on Mar 9, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure...
I guess we should start playing for the lottery anyway.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 9, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

be better than playing for 10th with gooden in
all the time

but all tyrus all the time all season we'd be in 7th right now

by ihatenoce on Mar 9, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah i know
i just get frustrated when we suck with sucky players that have always sucked playing and tyrus gets jagged around all season and we never get to see what we really have with him

by ihatenoce on Mar 9, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say 5th
But this isn't based on anything but unhealthy Tyrus feelings.  Geaux Tiger!
Drew Gooden beard meter - 6 (Old Amish Carpenter)

by cubbybear on Mar 10, 2008 2:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I truly despise Boylan.
Thus far, this team and this season has been a useless waste of my time, money, and passion.

Paxson owes me a refund.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 9:42 PM CDT reply actions  

WTF is PAxson's plan here?
Does he have one?

Other than staying under the luxury tax?

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 9:44 PM CDT reply actions  

no excuse
for keeping noah & thomas chained to the bench during the last 6 min

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions  

WHy did he take Noah out?
What the hell did Noah do? I thought he was playing well.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

small ball lineup
with Gooden, trying to score points and catchup.  At least that is the theory.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 9, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was the only one who looked
pissed off at the end of the game. Hinrich/Tyrus/Duhon/Brown were giggling over something...Getting old.

by violentdiarrhea on Mar 9, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

noah came out
because boylan thought his D reaction was sub-par

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Boylan should stay in Detroit...
... and don't come back with the team. With him out, maybe we could go to the playoffs. With him on the bench, i don't see us going there...
Sorry, that's waht i feel

by bull83 on Mar 9, 2008 9:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Too bad they didn't get the sweep.
And too bad there was so much inane bickering here as to who is our crappiest player. It's depressing enough when the ignorant media retreads the same old (wrong) song. Sorry, but I really didn't enjoy following along here tonight.

Whatever happened to fan support?

by marionette on Mar 9, 2008 9:57 PM CDT reply actions  

We lose.
Tyrus gets three minutes. Three!

Noah sits at the end.

Boylan is still the coach.

This franchise is pathetic.

I really used to think that Paxson was a great GM. I am having doubts now. What is the plan?

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 9:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Man, this season is just getting more...
...frsutrating by the minute. We need to get some real talent in here quick...maybe Skiles was better than we thought, he did a pretty good job with the mediocre roster he had, or maybe it was just that the top half of the east wasn't very good then, unlike now.

by bullsfaninbigapple on Mar 9, 2008 9:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I see a number of reasons to be optimistic
... except for the coaching situation.

Paxson has to address this type of nonsense, ie not giving important minutes to thomas & noah

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 10:00 PM CDT reply actions  

nevermind
I didn't see the 'not'. Hard to keep track of all the high-usage low-efficiency commenters.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

low efficiency?
isn't it easier to respond to a message that's short and to the point? ... rather than a long, involved message ... in the middle of a live game blog entry

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's a good point
it is a game thread.

I wasn't necessarily talking about you. I wasn't kidding when I said I couldn't keep track...

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

fwiw
i haven't seen a team blog formatted like yours is in a long time ... with the way the threads and replies are organized

personally ... I find it hard to keep track of individual comments as well

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

listen, if you're ever confused
about ANYTHING here...just follow my lead--you'll be OK. ;)

by alec on Mar 9, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, if one ignores the many repeat comments
you aren't even all that high volume.
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 9, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

those who think
gordon, hughes, deng, thomas & noah
duhon, sefolosha, nocioni & gray
brown

are a talent-less crew ... are completely wrong.

hinrich & gooden should be used to add 1 more quality player to this group

 

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 10:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I have no faith that management will make the
right moves this offseason.

I truly believe that the franchise is more interested in crafting courteous young boyscouts that winning games.

I just don't comprehend the direction of the team anymore.

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by 1958ChiTown on Mar 9, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ty3 is coming
the sad thing is, even if that was the Bulls goal to get 'good guys', they failed at that as well

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 9, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

who
is not a 'good guy' on this team right now?

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another undersized power forward
So I'm sure the Bulls will end up playing him significant minutes at center.  At least he's a "gym rat," though.

by Big D on Mar 9, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

these are ridiculous numbers
for gooden, thomas & gray ...

http://www.nba.com/games/20080309/CHIDET/boxscore.html

  pos min fgm-a 3pm-a ftm-a +/- off def tot ast pf st to bs ba pts

D.Gooden  F 32:42 2-10 0-0 7-8 -5 3 5 8 0 2 1 0 2 3 11

T.Thomas   03:49 0-1 0-0 1-2 -4 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 1
A.Gray   02:26 0-0 0-0 1-2 -6 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1

by khandor on Mar 9, 2008 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Jim Boylan is a double agent.
That's the only logic I think of for his pure idiocy in using Gooden for the 2nd half so much.  The Bulls were in the freaking game thanks to a great game from Gordon, and they gave up offensive rebounds and easy inside buckets because Gooden was flat-footed or late on defense.  When Maxiell and Amir were running wild, why didn't Boylan put Thomas in and try to match athleticism?  3 minutes???  Against a team that his attributes are perfect for, considering Sheed was out.  
Dickey Simpkins>Ben Wallace

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 10, 2008 1:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Looking at Box Score
Whats with kirk playing 17 min. he was 2-5 from the field and 1-1 from 3pt. He had no T.O. 4 assists, and yet....Hughes played almost 40?!? Looking at the two stats, it didnt look like hughes had a better game then Hinrich (in fact if you wanna just look at +/- huges was on the other side of the spectrum, although its a pretty weak thing to look at) in more than twice the time  hughes managed on more assist then hinrich. Although its not a perfect inference, it can be assumed that if hinrich had played the same ammount of time, his stats would be about double what it was. So, why does hinrich get less time then hughes?

The only reason hughes should be allowed to play is if we need points (CUZ HE COULD GET TO THE LINE< BUT HE DOESNT!!!!) or if a guard needs a break. I dont understand why hinrich doesnt get playing time if he really isnt making any mistakes in the game. Why must they keep pushing a ben gordon and larry hughes backcourt?? Why not go to what works, Kirk and Ben, the Ying Yang guards.

Also looking at some of the highlights of the game, Billups is everything kirk is, but a better leader. The two play the game in the same fashion. Both are not great scorers or PURE pgs, yet they manage to get the job done. The big difference is Billups is willing to and does make the big shots, while hinrich backs away. Also on that team, billups is the clear cut leader, those men follow him no matter what. Kirk should take notes and take his game up a notch.

Kirk Hinrich. The Best White American Point Guard in the NBA.

by piccolomair on Mar 10, 2008 3:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Why leave out that Kirk
was +9 for those 17 minutes?? Makes not playing him seem even stranger. Although with Boylan I barely bat an eye anymore. And "Great" Benny the Bull was -6 even though he shot lights out. I believe Noah was the only other player with a pos +/-. (+1) Why not play him down the stretch? (Hey, I don't mind the losing. Hopefully we miss the playoffs to get a better pick and to lessen the chances of Boylan returning.) I just find it a strange thing to do if you're actually trying to win...

And what better way to assess someones impact on the team than how the team does when someone is playing as opposed to not?? It's an excellent barometer, actually. Much better than what most of the people on here seem to do. I.e. only looking at offensive output. Which is why mostly everybody is (wrongly) head over heels in love with Ben Goron on this site. Blech!

by Bass on Mar 10, 2008 5:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because Jim Boylan
is a fucking idiot. I Hate him.

by sue369 on Mar 10, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's another case of double-speak
from Boylan.  He says play defense, so kirk does and picks up some fouls (the last call was terrible) and then Boylan sits him for the rest of the game.  The lesson is do the opposite of what Boylan says.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 10, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Benching as punishment
Key players: Hinrich and Tyrus.  Two guys we really need to get hot to win.  And in all accounts Hinrich was going to have a good game despite some fouls.  Let him foul out.  If you "save" his fouls for later and then never put him back out anyway what is the point for pulling him for getting fouls, most ticky tack anyway. Boylan is an idiot.

by cranscape on Mar 10, 2008 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

a small guard line-up
with gordon & hinrich playing at the same time, simply put, is a poor defensive match-up in the NBA.

gordon & hughes is a far superior matched set at this level of competition.

coming out of uconn ... ben gordon needed to play the PG, exclusively, in his first few years in the NBA, to learn 'how' the game works in this league. if he had, by this point, he'd already be one of the top PG's in the NBA, as he would have learned to limit his TO's, limit his overall shot attempts, run a team effectively, and use his supreme ability to get his own shot off & score with ease ... when he's matched up vs the other PG's in this league, rather than the lock-down guys who patrol the floor vs the big-time wing scorers in the NBA.

shame on the Bulls brain-trust for not acknowledging this reality sooner.

there is considerable reason for optimism in Chicago ... IF their GM is able to see clearly the path ahead.

  1. Get rid of boylan, fast.
  2. Make gordon the starting PG.
  3. Use hughes, deng, sefolosha & noc as the key wings.
  4. Make thomas & noah permanent fixtures in the front-court, supported by gray coming off the bench for an entirely different 'look'.
  5. Use duhon as the defensive, pass-first, shoot-last, inexpensive, veteran back-up PG every good team needs.
  6. Trade hinrich & gooden for the next piece to the puzzle Chicago needs to continue its climb up the Eastern Conference standings for the next 3 to 4 years ... as this core of players evolves to the point of contending for the championship.
the ball's in paxson's hand now ... and the clock is tic, tic, ticking

by khandor on Mar 10, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

bla, blah, blah
blah, blah, blah,. Give it a rest already.

by sue369 on Mar 10, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

just for you sue ...
no problem :-)

have a great day.

by khandor on Mar 10, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm gonna put this here
But when I watched the news apparently Boylan started yelling at Noah about his lack of defense, cuz some Piston got an easy lay-up.

And Noah yelled back at him.

Boylan is a douche let's yell at arguably our best defensive player cuz someone's guy scored and he didn't help out.

Maybe if Gordon didn't suck at defense Noah wouldn't have to guard the lane all th time.

How about Boylan yells at someone who can't play defense? Gordon, Deng, Hughes, Gooden...

by Ed on Mar 10, 2008 5:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Skiles...
... he kept the trains running on time. :)

I think the prime difference between Skiles and Boylan is that when Skiles yelled at you he was probably at least communicating (poorly) some useful information.

Boylan seems to like the sound of his angry voice.

by Sports2 on Mar 10, 2008 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

My issue with that was that Joakim
had already acknowledged he screwed it up - if he already knows he did something wrong, what's the point of yelling about it?  I'd rather see Boylan make sure he knows exactly what he did wrong and what he should have done, and leave the kid in the game when he's playing well.

For someone who started out spouting these ideas about the guys needing to feel free to make mistakes and not tense from looking over their shoulders all the time, he's sure got a short leash and a sticky bench.

Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 10, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

This really bothered me
Even if Noah made a error there was no reason for Boylan to publicly humiliate Noah.  You could blame Boylan for not have the team well-coached on the issue of weak side help defense.  This was a second class move on Boylan's part.

by chgobr on Mar 10, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was
really pissed when I saw that exchange. Boylan could have handled that so much better. He really needs to go.

by sue369 on Mar 10, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

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