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The trade of Wallace for Noah is really working out

(Too bad Larry Hughes had to be a throw-in.)

That was a very fun game to attend. The only downer was that it's so hard to boo Ben Wallace since he never does anything on the court worth booing. The old bastard couldn't even get to the line, which would've been a nice moment.

Although, why boo him, Ben was great for the Bulls tonight, and I was delighted whenever he entered the game. After all, he allowed his successor, Joakim Noah, to grab 20 rebounds in 32 minutes. Noah was so good, my "what are you Boylan, a goddamned idiot?" moment(s) of the night was the overextended breaks he was giving Noah, especially to end the first half and before his final stint in the fourth. Boylan even managed to mess up Noah's exit, taking him out during a timeout when he could've waited until the upcoming free throw was taken, giving Noah the deserved standing ovation for a fantastic night. Luckily I doubt Noah cares, although when he bizarrely wasn't getting in at the end of the first half, I did joke "guess who's blowing off the next practice?"

Two other great performances were from Gordon and Deng, which is a long time coming, especially in the same outing. Gordon didn't get to the line much but despite that statistic I thought he was attacking the basket well, especially in transition. Of course, being 4-5 from three helps too. He even added 4 assists with just 1 turnover in 33 minutes. Pay the man his money! (well, you can let him have a few more good games first)

Deng overcame an abysmal first stint where he missed a half-dozen layups to join Gordon in taking over a 3rd quarter where the team outscored the Cavs 34-16. The Cavs made the curious defensive assignments of putting LeBron on Gordon while someone smaller (usually Devin Brown) took Deng. And the Luol-post option was there nearly every possession. Either Deng got to the rim (and was finishing, unlike the first half) or he'd open things up for teammates (usually Gordon, who LeBron would lose). Deng even made some pretty tough shots coming across the lane.

He also deserves credit for guarding LeBron, although between him, Nocioni, and Hughes(?), they just get a participation award (oh, and a hacking Hinrich, who roughed up LeBron a bit). I have a feeling LeBron was a bit gassed after his 50 point Wednesday and having to carry his chump teammates for the first half of this game. Seeing Ben Wallace get abused by the man he suspended likely didn't inspire him either. But it did inspire me.

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Great game
I thought a nice (rare) move by Boylan was going with Kirk and BG down the stretch in the backcourt.  Although Ben can't stop anybody from penetrating on him, he played with a controlled aggression on the offensive side of the ball.  Larry has a role to play, but the familiarity on the offensive side of the ball helped us close it out tonight.

It's also amazing when, I don't know, Boylan lets the young guys get extended minutes out there.  Of course, it helped Noah that "Body" can't jump any more, but I'll take 20 boards any day.  My favorite play from Joakim was the fake handoff from the high post and the quick drive to the hoop.  His activity around the basket coupled with 1-2 offensive moves a game would have him averaging a double double.

Not going to get any easier, but if they can go 2-2 during this stretch, I will be encouraged.

by Gene Banks on Mar 6, 2008 11:33 PM CST   0 recs

i agree with the bg kirk sentiment
since the trade boylan has seemed afraid to put the two of them together.  i mean, those two worked pretty darn well for the past 2-3 years, why completely abandon it now?  

by Mike C on Mar 6, 2008 11:51 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Really liked
seeing "the core" out there with Noah.  What an imaginative lineup, and it worked!  Who knew?

by California Al on Mar 7, 2008 1:37 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

The Old Core + The New Core
Hinrich
Gordon
Deng
Thomas
Noah

Hughes
Thabo
Nocioni
Gooden

Works for me.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Mar 7, 2008 8:44 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I was listening to John Hollinger
talk to JA Adande in the ESPN Daily Dish podcast discuss why John likes KG's defense and not Stromile Swift's.  Laugh now.  I know.

Ok we're back.  Anyway, KG's defense is superior for one primary reason: he maintains his position on defense when he goes to block a shot.  Remind you of anyone?  Joakim Noah is going to be a star in this league.  His defensive position is stellar already.  He gets a hand up without elevating too much which allows him to use his other hand to close off a low drop passing lane.  He's almost always directly in front of the offensive player giving him maximum vision to see what's to the left and right of the offensive player.  When he blocks shots, he doess't swat them to $500 seats.  He blocks them to teammates and corrals a few himself.  Bill Russell blocks are better than Marcus Camby blocks.  Noah's got some Russell in him.

Noah is a smart kid.  He's very polished as a professional already.  That outburst direct at Ron Adams was a good thing to happen.  The kid is learning, growing, and fully blooming now that Ben Wallace is helping us by actually dressing for the opponent.

It's kind of odd, but I think Noah is the floor leader on this team.  He's a talker on defense which really impressed Paxson and Skiles in draft workouts.  He doesn't shut up.  He's always using what tools are available to him to help his teammates which in turn help him decide where he needs to get to on the floor defensively.

We may have drafted the best center in the draft.  Get healthy Oden.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 7, 2008 8:57 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Noah's leadership
is the reason why I wanted the Bulls to draft him.  I was playing in a softball game on draft day, and I told my friend to call me whenever Joakim got drafted, regardless of who he went to.  I started dancing when I heard he was coming to Chicago.  I love the attitude he brings to the game.

Every year, there are rookies who can jump through the ceiling while benching 250lbs twenty times with  9' wingspans.  But Joakim can lead people.  It took him awhile to get his teammates' respect, but I'm excited to watch him progress into the vocal leader of this team, hopefully starting next year.

by YaoPau on Mar 7, 2008 9:52 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

As long as
his game backs up his leadership I don't mind.  I am tired of bench players and has-beens leading the team.  I didn't follow Noah's college career so I don't have any pre-NBA prejudice against him like some.  I like what I see so far.  You can really tell he stuck it out through college and is coming in with at least the poise needed for the NBA.  I feel bad that he came in during the Bull's crappy year though.  It is one thing to be on a loosing team, it is another to be drafted to a team with a lot of drama.

by cranscape on Mar 7, 2008 10:05 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I actually like Hughes and Noce lately
At least they both have the balls to take the big shots.  A couple baskets by Noce stopped Cleveland's momentum, and Larry Hughes also did some decent shooting at points.  Never scared to shoot, and seems to have more discipline than advertised.

I feel increasingly comfortable replacing Gordon with Hughes, especially since Kirk could go back to guarding his position and handle the ball less.

Good game, maybe Deng is the Lebron-stopper!  He only had 39!  Course, he worked hard for those points.  This game reminded me a little of last year, and I'm letting my mind wander to a playoff victory before we bow out.  It would be something, at least.

Drew Gooden beard meter - 6 (Old Amish Carpenter)

by cubbybear on Mar 7, 2008 2:31 AM CST   0 recs

Still not liking Hughes
He's shooting at right around his career FG% (41%) as a Bull and he isn't slashing like he promised he would.  My other concern is that he's injury prone so even if he plays well the rest of the year (and increases his FG% with improved shot selection) I think Pax is going to seriously weigh Hughes's history of injuries.  

It doesn't help that right now that Thabo is out with a mystery injury, but I would still rather commit minutes to him than to Larry.  Perhaps the PT that Larry is getting due to Thabo's injury will whet enough appetites that Pax can move Larry in the offseason.  Perhaps wishful thinking, I know.

by paxson43 on Mar 7, 2008 6:58 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

39 for the game, but just 13 in the 2nd half
Wait, half-time adjustments?  Really?  No way!

Finally!

Once again, when Deng plays solid defense his offensive game is more consistent.

Dear Beat Writers,

Ask Luol about the achilles tendonitis.

Sincerely,

BAB

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 7, 2008 8:35 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Sometimes too much balls
The issue with both LH and Noce is exactly that,  sometimes they tend to shoot ugly from anywhere, anytime.

But with their minutes controlled and good  pressure (competition) from Luol and BG, they seemed able to improve their shot selection.

by Sky on Mar 7, 2008 10:25 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Do you think
part of the reason why Hughes and Noc will put up more shots is because they're watching BG and Deng struggle to make theirs?

Because that is what I observe.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 7, 2008 10:38 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

'observe' ::rolls eyes::
You mean mind-read?

Hughes has always shot a bunch, because he thinks he's good.

I suppose the 'Noc just loves the team so much so he feels like he needs to score' logic makes some sense, although Noc was a scorer overseas and it really is his game (since he's no good at anything else. Sorry...'getting under skin' is a pretty useless trait)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 7, 2008 10:55 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I disagree to an extent
I think Hughes will shoot no matter what.  That is why they hated him in Cleveland, and that is why he was miserable - he wants to shoot the ball.

Noce, I think starts shooting like a madman when the team goes into a funk.  Sometimes he gets the team going and sometimes he starts chucking to the detriment of the team.  

Basically, I think they chuck for different reasons.  Hughes does it because that is all he knows.  Noce does is it because he thinks it will help the team.

by danger mouse on Mar 7, 2008 11:00 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Noce, watch your timing
The issue with him is, sometimes he seems to ignore how much time is left. Yes, I've seen him throwing bricks when everybody else -often BG, Luol and Kirk- is ice cold and static, then Noce would go "WTF, somebody has to go for it." But it's one thing when you're trailing in the 4th quarter -and then he'd be justified- and one another when you're barely past half time -and then a couple of bad bricks can kill whichever little wind the team had.

by Sky on Mar 7, 2008 11:11 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

My fear from this game
is that Boylan starts thinking "Look how great we did without Tyrus playing!  Why should he get any minutes going forward?"

by torch on Mar 7, 2008 7:02 AM CST   0 recs

Lets hope not
and I'm talking Obamasized Hope.

Big Z missed the game, but the Celtics won't be missing any bigs.  We have a better chance of defeating the Celtics now then prior to the trade.  Ben Wallace was outplayed by Glen Davis TWICE.

Chicago will miss Tyrus tonight specifically for the 25 minutes of rest he can give to other front court players.  The Celtics are awesome at home because their player rotation is so strong.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 7, 2008 8:41 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

my fear
is that a bunch of people will comment on how unsatisfying the win was because TT didn't play...
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 7, 2008 9:34 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I would have
if he was eligible. Boylan gets a pass. Maybe he asked Pax to make it two games for that very reason :)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 7, 2008 9:59 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Boylan
Fears the wrath of Blog-a-Bull.  I'd believe it.
Drew Gooden beard meter - 6 (Old Amish Carpenter)

by cubbybear on Mar 7, 2008 11:12 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Ha
Tyrus' suspension was originally going to be 1 game, but Ben Wallace and Adrian Griffin conference-called Pax and told him they were concerned that 1 game wasn't enough.

by Petor on Mar 7, 2008 11:50 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Not so much
Although a valid comment would be yes, we can win without TT, if only against a single starplayer team with a snail paced C.

I'm hoping this win (because I wouldn't expect to beat the Celtics with or without TT) put things in perspective with TT's development. He will get some minutes, yes, but the pressure to have him on the floor all the time should deflate. Outside of the BaB hardcores, that is.

by Sky on Mar 7, 2008 10:14 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Is your alias "Sky"
because your head is empty like the blue summer sky? Or because your logic faculties are clouded like the grey wintry sky? Or because you are high (as the sky) on crack when you comment?
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 7, 2008 2:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Wow.
That's why I love blogs -the joy of getting articulate, well thought answers.

by Sky on Mar 7, 2008 4:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Well...
Maybe if I really try
Strive so hard it makes me cry
Lambaste Gordon, insult Ty
Then I, yes even I
Can be abrasive just like Sky
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 7, 2008 5:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I missed the game
Guess I have to post a "Noah Sucks Trade Him For Truer Players Like Sene" diary.
Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Mar 7, 2008 7:11 AM CST   0 recs

Another...
Chris Duhon - DNP - CD

Even Simmons and Brown got in for the last 1:44.

He's as good as gone this off-season.

by CubFan81 on Mar 7, 2008 8:05 AM CST   0 recs

Still
I think Du should have gotten in during those garbage minutes in the 4th. We need to keep showcasing his skills as a backup PG. He'll have very real value this summer.

by Old Skool Sloan on Mar 7, 2008 8:34 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

he's a free agent this summer
He doesn't have any value to the Bulls.
Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Mar 7, 2008 8:38 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Unrestricted free agent too
Ergo, Chicago has no control over him at all.  He's a free agent's free agent.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 7, 2008 8:49 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

We could use him in a sign and trade, no?
Or does that unrestricted tag mean that would be pointless, too. I checked his status before posting but must have read some old info. Sorry.

by Old Skool Sloan on Mar 7, 2008 10:31 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

We could sign and trade
But i'm pretty sure most sign and trade deals are premised on the restricted free agent status of the player's club that owns these rights.  Since a restricted free agent can receive a contract offer and their team that owns their rights can simply beat it by years or up front money, two clubs will work a sign and trade to help both teams navigate the salary cap and both receive some return on what they're going to pay out.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 7, 2008 10:41 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Actually, sign and trades are more common in UFA
For an RFA, his original team, assuming they made the qualifying offer, simply has to match any offer from another team.  They don't have to beat it.  

For most UFA's, their original team holds Bird Rights, which means they can offer salary without having to worry if it exceeds the salary cap or not.  Plus, the original team's max offer is higher than any other team's max offer.  So UFA's get sign-and-trade's so they can get more money and move to another team.

In Duhon's case, sign-and-trade most likely won't happen, as his salary will be low enough that a team can use a portion of its veteran's exception  to bring him in without giving anything up (other than the roster spot wasted on Duhon).  

by snley on Mar 7, 2008 11:18 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

i think he'll get more than the veterans exception
but I'd be shocked if he got more than the MLE, which is why he'd need to do a sign and trade.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 7, 2008 12:14 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I caught the last 14 minutes of the game
I just missed out on the 3rd quarter barrage, but here's what I liked from the last 14 minutes.
  1. Luol Deng's defense: He was moving his feet.  They were quicker than Lebron's.  Lebron had put up 76 points over the last 72 minutes of gametime.  He put up 13 in the last 24.
  2. Luol Deng's offense: once again Luol shines when his defense leads to offense.
  3. Rebounding: we were all over the glass late.  One and done possessions lead to synchronized fist pumping at my bar table.
  4. Ben Wallace's contract finally paying off for Chicago: Can we meet the Cavs in the playoffs?  I'd like to collect some more wins from the 28 million we paid the guy.
We looked like the team that closed the end of the regular season last year.  We beat a playoff team and at one point extended the lead to 20.  /Marv Albert voice* YES!  AND IT COUNTS!

More please.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 7, 2008 8:48 AM CST   0 recs

Deng looked a lot better
after Hinrich roughed up LBJ and Cleveland switched LBJ off of Deng.  Deng had his way against Sczerbiak and D. Brown, who, if you are like me, you've never heard of before.  Noah mostly and Gooden did a great job on the boards throughout.  For as good as Deng looked in the second half, Deng looked worse in the first quarter.  He was missing layups and getting torched by an unconscious LBJ.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 7, 2008 9:41 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Devin Brown
He was a 8-10 minute shooter with one of the Spurs championships. Then he think he fell out of the league for a couple years.

I kinda wish I didn't know that.

by CrashDavis on Mar 7, 2008 10:19 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Valid point
Deng is not an aggresive player per se. He's got the skills but looked passive in the 1t half when he was guarding LBJ. It was Kirk's lil' roughing what threw Lebron off -and the fact that he was after scoring 50 and having a terrific first half, the guy has to get tired sometimes.

by Sky on Mar 7, 2008 10:21 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

The baby Bulls don't remember the Pistons
It was Kirk's lil' roughing what threw Lebron off

The Bad Boys knew when a hard foul was necessary.  They knew when to send scorers to the line.

No free buckets, EVER.  Even Larry Bird knew this.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 7, 2008 10:24 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Hey, Matt,
Congrats on being quoted at length regarding your hatred of all things Wallace and Boylan at the blog dimemag.com:

http://dimemag.com/2008/03/07/the-wallace-of-old/#more-1795

Maybe this'll also help get word out there regarding other common blogabull.com sentiments, like the fact that fans would actually pay to see Tyrus Thomas on the floor.

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Mar 7, 2008 9:37 AM CST   0 recs

Myrie doesn't appreciate Matt's potty mouth
Noah is a hussle machine, and Matt Duhon is our best guard.

by preverbal on Mar 7, 2008 10:52 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Lebron's 2nd Half
Does anyone thing that awkward foul by Heinrich at half-court to begin the 3rd had anything to do with his performance?  

I was at the game so I don't know what of it they spoke during the telecast, but it looked like he was favoring his arm after that point.

He didn't do too much driving the rest of the quarter and this could have explained the odd defensive substitution against the un-physical Gordon.  

Single-handedly crushing the Knicks could have taken a lot out of him, too, I guess.  

This is more a legitimate question than idle speculation.  Did they mention it on TNT?

by lilzaky on Mar 7, 2008 10:24 AM CST   0 recs

yeah they did
it was the turning point in the game.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 7, 2008 10:31 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

maybe the season
if the Bulls rally and make the play-offs.  

I gotta say, LBJ's strutting and preening definitely rub me the wrong way.  MJ never did that.  Kobe doesn't either.  Even Arenas is joyful and playful, rather than overweening.

by alec on Mar 7, 2008 10:39 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah that
smiling and winking into the camera made me gag. I like men who are sure of themselves but I can't stand men who are full of themselves.

by sue369 on Mar 7, 2008 10:41 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

i basically can't stand him
but i don't know if it's cause (case in point last night) when he plays all they do is talk about how great he is.  CONSTANTLY.  and i hate that face he makes when he gets an and-1 play.  anyone else know what i'm talking about? :P

by Jaina on Mar 7, 2008 10:45 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

His fake tough face?
Yes!  I wrote a post about that last year but I am not going to hunt for the link.

Bron is a tool.  He's just incredibly good at basketball.

Noah is a hussle machine, and Matt Duhon is our best guard.

by preverbal on Mar 7, 2008 10:54 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Disagree
Lebron is not that. He's got tons of confidence, and can you blame him? The guy's got more moves than anybody else around the NBA. Plus he's stuck with a bunch of plain role players, and I never heard him complain about that. Both MJ and Kobe would have the same look when they needed/need to carry a deflated team, plus Kobe has not been shy to torch his mates for not delivering -nor MJ, although he was smart enough not to make it too obvious. Nothing wrong with LBJ IMHO.

by Sky on Mar 7, 2008 10:59 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

LBJ also...
... turns up for practices.

by Vangelis on Mar 7, 2008 5:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

it had a lot to do
But not because LBJ got hurt. I didn't see any problems with his arm. I guess he was dog tired -who wouldn't if you're asked to carry a bunch of losers every night?

I liked Kirk's "Noce-like" play. It showed Cleveland the Bulls weren't giving up already. Over the 1st half LBJ was unstoppable. Sometimes you have to do that -skills aren't everything.

by Sky on Mar 7, 2008 10:32 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

since all they did
was talk about lebron, of course.  they were all "LEBRON HAS BEEN 0-5 SINCE THE HINRICH FOUL!!!!!!"

by Jaina on Mar 7, 2008 10:32 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

All this LeBron hate!
I love it. Reminds me of the Anti-Tiger Woods rants. I guess I'm just too caught up in the excitement of actual basketball to be worried about such things.

It's funny to me how so many use sports in the same manner that others use US Weekly or People Magazine. "Oooo, he's cute. I like him." "He's a humble fella. He's my favorite." "He wants money. I hate him!"

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Mar 7, 2008 11:04 AM CST   0 recs

Even though you don't
pay any attention to it...thanks for your comment anyway.

by alec on Mar 7, 2008 11:15 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

You've confused me with that comment.
bullshooter: "Not hard to do. ;P"
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Mar 7, 2008 11:33 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

huh?
I think you're just confused.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 7, 2008 12:16 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Isn't it obvious what happened?!?!
Kirk Hinrich is in Lebron's head.  When he sees that 6'3 Iowan take the court, he cowers in fear.  

Kirk Hinrich - Lebron Stopper.  I think Kirk should play the next Cleveland game with a football helmet and pads.  At that point I don't think Lebron would even take the floor.  Just not worth it.

by danger mouse on Mar 7, 2008 11:20 AM CST   0 recs

Lebron
First, he is the best player in the league, so if you love basketball, you should love him; any basketball fan should love watching him and should spend less time trying to compare him to Kobe and Jordan.  Second,

I would honestly much prefer a guy who "preens" a bit for the camera, but embraces the overjoyed fan that runs onto the court, than the guy who said "repubulicans buy sneakers too" and has largely become a mechanical corporate symbol by now or the guy who has always come off as just thinking he was way better than everyone else.  I will always love Jordan more because I got to see him on the court often enough to realize what he really was (the greatest of all time), but if we are taking personalities, give me LeBron anyday.  

I wish he would get some crazy dream of bringing the Bulls back and come here.

by Kemp on Mar 7, 2008 12:07 PM CST   0 recs

Boooooooo
"...if you love basketball, you should love him"

OK Bill Simmons, please tell me what I have to love.  

"You're not a sports fan if you don't love the Patriots doing [insert inane thing here, preferably with the phrase 'eff-you' somewhere within]"

I'm pretty tired of people telling me what I have to love in the sports world.  I don't even have anything against LeBron (although I'd like to see some rings before we start anointing him this and that), but it's entirely possible to love basketball and not love LeBron.

by Petor on Mar 7, 2008 12:19 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Well,
I didn't tell you to do anything, I said should as I was insinuating logic.

by Kemp on Mar 7, 2008 12:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I really hope Cleveland got a good dose
of what happens to Wallace when a legit tall man is matched up next to him.

They usually have their best games of the season

by Option27 on Mar 7, 2008 12:23 PM CST   0 recs

Lebron is great, no doubt
but he complains constantly.  he says "and 1" every time he gets a little rub going to the hoop.  He and kobe are the guys that get the calls, always.  just like MJ, but the difference between MJ and bron is MJ didnt constantly harass the refs everytime he thought he got fouled.  its annoying.  i think lebron will have a career similar to drexlers.  we in chicago measure greatness by championships rings, not youngest to 10,00 points.  

by Conor on Mar 7, 2008 12:36 PM CST   0 recs

Gimmie a break with the "ring" crap
Yeah, he must suck if he can't carry a washed-up Ben Wallace to a championship.  He's never been on a team good enough to win a title, so I don't know how you can fault him for not having any rings.  When he is, then we'll be able to judge.

by Big D on Mar 7, 2008 1:32 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

relax
all i am saying is lebron has a long, long way to go if he wants to be considered one of the greats of all time.  the nba and espn are dead set on making him the next jordan, you know, with that bullshit nick name, king james.  its stupid

by Conor on Mar 7, 2008 2:07 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

i loathe
the king james nickname.  it's just so pompous and annoying.

by Jaina on Mar 7, 2008 3:00 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Theres a Rumor
That the nba scouted lebron a long while ago. They are what made his name more of a legend, they also put him through training while he was still in high school to give him that man-child body of his. In other words they have been creating king james since before he even entered the draft. On espn 1000 chicagos website they have an article by Jordan talking about duplication, and how the nba is set on duplicating the Jordans, and Magics, and Birds, and the intense rivalries (lakers vs Celtics??) of old and giving them to the new generation.

Lebron is definetly great, and though i cant believe he is the next jordan, he is definetly someone who will break many records to come. I dont like him game because alot of his game has to do with his freak of nature athleticism. Couple that with the new rules of the nba that allow more dunks and he becomes the perfect showman of the nba. I prefer kobe to lebron just because kobe started his career as nothing more than a dunker who wanted to be great, and has become a player who can do it all (literally).

link to that jordan article:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3243645

Kirk Hinrich. The Best White American Point Guard in the NBA.

by piccolomair on Mar 7, 2008 3:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'm just the opposite
I prefer LeBron to Kobe.  Kobe has always struck me as someone with a lot of talent but not the mental ability to put it all together.  He has definitely shown a more complete game recently...but it's taken him this long.  He was a guy that didn't know when to shoot and when to pass.  He's a guy who would take contested jumpers over double teams early in the shot clock.  I also find him the main reason that Detroit beat the Lakers in the finals.  I also think right now, James has surpassed Kobe.  James is a triple double threat every night...and he can pretty much do it all on the court.

by Parrotman on Mar 7, 2008 3:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Drexler
never got a PER above 24.  Lebron has cracked that 3 times already in his career and is on pace to get between the 11th-8th best PER of all time.  Could you really see LeBron averaging 20 points for his career or missing as many games as Drexler?

It took six years for Jordan to win a championship, give Bron some time.

by Kemp on Mar 7, 2008 4:23 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

If you see Lebron much live, you will agree
Barclay called it right, you got two bad teams, the trades will pan out, but it's too much of a drastic change for either of the these teams to come together and know how to play  together this late in the season.  Minimum, 4-6 weeks, then you might have something that may gel, but the Bulls know that this season is over and are looking at some deals to set up next year with a new Coach.  The Cavs think they got a shot, the don't, they are weak.
Hughes and Gooden  are one's we better use, Hughes took control of that game last night in the third quarter and the game was over, never trailed again.  If you doubt this, read the play by play and see the quarter he gave, outstanding.  Good fouls on Lebron, he is also our best defender.  Not a three point shooter, not a point gaurd, but can get hot and put in 30 plus points maybe 10 times a year and give you 15-20pts, lots of assist and great steals if you play him two or three times a week hard (35 min).   Lead the whole league in steals a few years ago also.

Lebron will get tired of his new players, they will get tired of never seeing the ball d