Extended garbage time

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 30, 2008 11:26 PM CDT in News Comment 97 comments

With the Bulls all-but-officially eliminated from the playoffs, it's difficult to find a reason to watch the final 9 games of the season.

First of all, Boylan's still coaching:

Boylan doesn't think it's time to change the rotation in favor of the younger players...Even when the Bulls are officially eliminated from playoff contention, Boylan didn't sound as though he's planning to make drastic changes in playing time.

(There has been one drastic change: Chris Duhon's back in the rotation. Why? who knows!)

Whatever Boylan rambles, it at least looks like the team is starting the subtle, seductive dance of tanking. The first move being Drew Gooden being held out of Sunday's game with an abdominal strain, giving the start to Tyrus Thomas. Unlike Boylan's unintentional tanking, sitting guys with injuries makes sense. (although one guy who's been battling injuries all season, Luol Deng, is in a contract year, so I doubt he'll be sitting.)

So it's tempting to think if we see guys like Tyrus and Thabo getting more minutes (although they had 22 and 17 minutes respectively, so it's not quite free reign yet anyway) that playing out this string may actually teach us something about those two, Noah, and the team.

But sadly, this is not just a pointless stretch of games in terms of record, but also evaluation.

The Bulls will be phoning it in, not running plays on offense or giving an effort on defense, and it's likely they'll see a few opponents who will be doing the same. Heck, Curry and Chandler had a great stretch run together in a similar environment...it's a loosely-played style of basketball that's more towards the playground than professional end of the hoops spectrum.

If certain players thrive, it shouldn't be viewed with much encouragement. Not discouragement either, except perhaps at the idea that more sensible rotation decisions could've been made earlier when the games still mattered.

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Why

not play the young guns? This guy is clueless. Coaches dont punch clocks they teach. This guy is a nanny, caretaker, babysiter, chaperon and thats all he ever will be. When the season is lost you play the young guys. When you get blown out you play the young guys. It makes them better to get EXP. DUHHH! Personally I'd rather see Du play than Hughes because atleast Du runs plays and makes other players around him better. I hope they're both gone this summer though. BG has got to go too! No offense to anyone who really likes him but his turn stylee defense is just disturbing.. More than likely he will take the QO and we'll right back here next year complaining of the same crap with him. Have the Bulls even been running plays since Boylan took over? The look lost out there..
Felt good to see TT get the start. Guy darn near gets a Double Double while in foul trouble most of the game.

Anyone got TT's starters stats? Average PPG, BS, AS, RB, TO, Fouls?

by Bulls4Ever on Mar 31, 2008 9:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

ever heard of google?

Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 31, 2008 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bullshooter

i seriously dont like you. You always make stupid childish remarks. You clearly hate anyone who likes TT or supports him. You obviously dont recall where we drafter him or what he means to this teams future. Ever heard of google? Your a joke please dont reply do any of my comments again you make me sick.

by Bulls4Ever on Mar 31, 2008 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have no big problems with TT

other than he is a little immature. You don't see me posting trade comments every day involving him, do you? I do have problems with commenters who think we give a shit about their half-assed gut feelings and are too lazy to look up simple stats, though.

Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 31, 2008 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He has a point. Do your own research.

This kind of stuff isn't hard to find. Matt pulled it from nba.com. You can also try basketball-reference.com. Hell, even espn.com has splits.

by snley on Mar 31, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Such deep-seeded hate

from a man who's just trying to make you look less like an idiot

"to the children: Fuck the Bulls." - Matt

by NittanyBull on Mar 31, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's on NBA.com

G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF REB APG SPG BPG PPG
18 18 23.6 .451 .000 .673 1.8 5.1 6.9 1.7 0.8 1.2 8.9

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tyrus_thomas/season_splits.html

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Hughes and Gooden

could have abdominal strains every night that would be a good start.

Let the kids play.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 31, 2008 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I was pissed

Last Week and/or weekend (can't remember) when we didn't outtank the Bucks....for a better ping pong chance....taht was frustrating.

I haven't been following us as closely since 2 weeks ago (Since those back to back awful 4th qtr collapses and the continued benching of the young guys.....

Hopefully we can make a splash this summer via a new coach and/or trade.....I definately think Coaching is our top priority though, but I'll gladly post trade ideas on here every now and then.

by majoyenrac on Mar 31, 2008 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

We're better off

Just watching Boylan try to win games cause he's so terrible, we'll probably lose them.

by Option27 on Mar 31, 2008 5:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Tyrus starter minutes

Is at 23.6, so basically he's not even starting. Why is it so hard for us to give him and Noah 30 min plus, fouls be damned. These kids are 21, 22 years old, let them play, if they foul, they foul, they turn the ball over, then so be it

by bullsfaninla on Mar 31, 2008 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm so glad we traded a solid low-post guy

For someone who we can't even judge as a bust or not because the coaching staff won't even give him enough minutes.

Dickey Simpkins>Ben Wallace

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Elton Brand?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't remind me of that

I was referring to Aldridge. I guess he wasn't "solid" coming out of the draft, but all the tools were there for him to succeed, whereas Tyrus was more of a crapshoot with a higher ceiling. I was all for the trade because this team needs his freakish athleticism, but if the team doesn't play him, then what was the point of trading away the safer bet in LaMarcus?

Dickey Simpkins>Ben Wallace

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Isnt aldridge

A younger, slightly better version of Joe Smith...not really a post player, thats why oden will really help that portland team (maybe..). I think in regards of tools, thomas has them, he just doesnt have anyone to help him hone them. I am assuming by tools you mean physical capabilities by the way, and thomas has alot of that. I always thought however we could do without a post presence so long as we had a solid offense that didnt always revolve around jumpshooting.

Isnt that why deng was heralded as our big star, he was a guy who could shoot that 20 footer with complete accuracy and then attack the rim and slash with teh best of them, couple that with the bulls unselfish style of play and hard nosed defense and whatever they lacked in "pureness" or skill, this team would be able to compensate with all the pieces working together.

Its not a single player thats the problem this year, its the simple fact that the players stopped working as a unit, and they stopped progressing or developing that style of play. If they can get back to that style of play then we still have all the right pieces, however developing guys like thomas who will have the athleticism to attack the basket and prevent the other team from doing so is a big part of that i think.

This is just my personal thoughts, sorry about the rant.

Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 31, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thus the confusion

LaMarcus isn't a low-post guy.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why is Boylan doing this?

Does he think that he could win the job if the bulls win the last games of the season? That's the only explanation to choose Gooden and (awful) Hughes instead of TT and Thabo. What a idiot! He's going to be fire anyway, doesn't he understands that? He's finished!!!
The kids are the only thing that makes want to watch the games. Noting else. If they don't get minutes now that we are out of the playoffs, when do they will get?????

I HATE BOYLAN... AND HUGHES

by bull83 on Mar 31, 2008 6:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow...

This place got bitter in a hurry.

by Khalid El-Amin on Mar 31, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

One thing I don't get

is why everybody takes everything Boylan says at face value. Wait until the games play out. Both Noah and TT started last game and Thabo has been and continues to get significant minutes, maybe not 30 a game, but good minutes most games. Why would Boylan come out and say,"Well damn, it's basically over so who gives shit."

Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 31, 2008 7:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

well as long as you're happy

"good minutes most games"

heh. There are no good minutes anymore, so...

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure what you mean

by no more good minutes. I thought every minute the youngsters got was important? Just because they are basically out of the playoff race doesn't mean that much in terms of the experience they will be getting by being on the court.

Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 31, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ya didn't read the post, did ya

not a complete waste of a season, but pretty darned close. Glad to see that the Boylan fan club isn't limited to the Boylan family, though.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did your dog die or something

Because your outlook has taken a real nosedive lately. At what point are you going to get over the fact that the bulls aren't actually going to contend for the eastern conference title this year?

It's the 4th quarter of the season and you're still clinging to a lead. I know the rest of team has their collective heads stuck somewhere (the Gerald Green diary), but are you going to follow up their egregious TO by throwing in the towel, too? Are you going to be a leader or a quitter? ;-)

The future is still bright for these Bulls, and while they may have taken a big step back this year, all the pieces are still there and they can take two steps forward next year. There is absolutely no reason to be such a sour puss. If nothing else, you should celebrating the fact that the era of small ball is in a death spiral. A new coach with a new philosophy is right around the corner. What's there not to be excited about? C'mon Matt, snap out of it.

Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 31, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like the pep talk

Maybe a Boylan-style kiss on the forehead will seal the deal.

Dickey Simpkins>Ben Wallace

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have the same outlook

these next 9 games have nothing to do with it either way, that's my point. We should already know Tyrus will perform when he plays. Big friggin' deal, we knew that last season and where did that get him?

I'm still angry about Paxson fucking up the whole season, even when it was clear the team wasn't winning anything substantial, they were still clinging to bullshit hollow victories with a clown show running a rampantly idiotic playing rotation. The daily quotes made things even worse.

So if you want to turn the page already and feel cheery about it, fine. I think I'll still be a while before getting over it.

Even worse is that when it was fucking happening, you were still saying it was all ok. So I couldn't complain about it then, and can't complain about it now.

My dog got an M-80 shoved up his ass around week 3.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh, I forgot

I also can't complain about what I think may happen in the future (like Gooden's abs healing and getting back in the starting lineup).

Bullshooter, don't try and take away my forum to bitch and moan.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

By all means vent

I don't think I've stopped anybody from doing that. But don't be a sour puss. We're all bummed they sucked. But it isn't like they started sucking two weeks ago. Get it out and let it go. The sooner you move on the better. There is absolutely no reason to hang on to anything about this season. Enjoy the rest of the games for what they are, don't dwell on what they aren't because there is nothing you can do about it either way.

Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 31, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey Matt...

...I know this is "your place" and all that, so I'm not going to STOP you from doing anything because I literally can't, but I'll TELL you what to do and I'll continually bitch and whine about it. Turn that frown upside-down Charlie Brown! Sheesh.

Wow, you're pretty cool.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Mar 31, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you know what the saddest thing is?

how hard you try.

Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 31, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he's right in this case

your comment was patronizing, and I don't appreciate it.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Since I do it to everybody else

I think it would be both hypocritical and inconsistent if I didn't call you on being overly negative, too. And it was supposed to be tongue in cheek, not patronizing.

Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 31, 2008 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shame on you, bullshooter.

I think you should be especially mindful about expressing any opinion that may potentially be construed as unkind or, horrors, patronizing to dear Matt. It would be so cruel and thoughtless to even inadvertently injure his tender feelings...particularly so, since he takes such diligent care to protect ours.

And Matt, you should be happy people try to get under your skin, rather than suck up to you (which I'm pretty sure was bullshooter's implication in his "how hard you try" comment). No leader (yes, you are the leader here) worth a damn wants a chorus of adoring sycophants.

Finally, my apologies to both of you--it seems no matter how old one is, a middle child never escapes the "fix both ends" syndrome. I'm sure you can work it out just fine between yourselves. :)

by alec on Apr 1, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

fuck off, alec

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess...

I should consider it worked out. ;)

by alec on Apr 1, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

instead of worrying about spreading the love

try once in a while to limit your comments to the team, instead of commenting on the commenters (i.e., all the meta-whining).

I'd appreciate it.

That goes for everyone. Except alec, who can honestly just go away.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Relax...

It's the internet, nobody really owns this thing.

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 1, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

uh, there's never anything I can do about it

mr. sunshine.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 31, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My biggest peeve...

...and I'm guessing sbulls9030 and some others, too, is that the Deng-Thomas-Noah frontcourt probably hasn't gotten 60 minutes together. (they might--different guard combos may have kept them off the Top 20) That's the front court of the future, or at least should be. I can't fathom, in all of Boylan's "I'm just throwing stuff out there to see what sticks" idiocy, he's already determined this couldn't work.

What's worse? Hinrich, Hughes, Deng, Gooden, Noah is already the second-most used lineup of the year.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Mar 31, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The more organization-apologetic poster...

...that bullshooter is very rare. Holy nuts.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Mar 31, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

could you rewrite that in English?

Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 31, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

'The future is still bright for these Bulls'

I'm sure it will be, since many of these Bulls will be traded in the offseason. The future sure got a hell of a lot brighter for Tyson Chandler after he got out of here.

by Big D on Mar 31, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd be surprised if a lot of guys were moved

and I'd expect to get really good players back.

Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 31, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You suck.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Mar 31, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Prepare to be disappointed then

Why would you expect anyone to give up really good players for our players? Most of our players have had lousy seasons. The only ones who haven't are Deng and Noah, and those are probably the last guys you'd want to trade anyways. No one's going to give up a really good player for the privilege of paying Kirk Hinrich or Ben Gordon $10 million a year.

by Big D on Mar 31, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Deng?

He's been just as bad if not worse than all the rest. What did Deng improve this year? All his numbers are worse than last year. I wouldn't hesitate to trade Deng at all.

Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 31, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

How easy is it...

...to not have said anything new on here for over three months?

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Apr 1, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know

you tell me...

Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Apr 1, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No more cutting Deng slack

His game is exactly the same as last year, and he doesn't deserve more than 50 million dollars. How many games did he have where he scored 20 points through 3 quarters, then did absolutely nothing in the 4th? Every player on this roster deserves to be intensely scrutinized over the summer, and whether they actually belong on this team or not.

Dickey Simpkins>Ben Wallace

by Ozzie Montana on Mar 31, 2008 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

have no fear

apparently Sefolosha is the new untouchable. He's like Deng, only worse!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Should have made myself clearer

Obviously no one on the team is untouchable, but you wouldn't want to trade Deng unless you got a really good offer. Yes, he's had a a disappointing year, but it's a matter of degree. His disappointing year isn't the same as, say, Ben Wallace's disappoointing year. Deng is still young, and he's still probably the Bull with the most value. Maybe that means they can get something really good for him, but all I was saying was that given his age, you'd be more reluctant to trade him than you would somebody like Hinrich or Hughes.

by Big D on Apr 1, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hughes is a bad example

but I wouldn't be that much more reluctant to trade Deng that BG or Hinrich. I think you could get a lot more athletic 3 than Deng and I think that would benefit the bulls immensely. Plus Deng now has a pretty lengthy history of injuries. And he didn't exactly get better this year over last or help pull the team out of its rut, either.

Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Apr 1, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

like Gerald Green?!?!?

How does getting a more athletic 3 help the Bulls that much?

If by more athletic you mean better finisher, then I see your point. Although I think (or hope) Deng's lack of finishing ability this season is just an aberration.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

like Deng

only more athletic. Notice that I couldn't bring myself to comment in that travesty of a diary about Gerald Green. That has been by far the low point of the BaB season.

Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Apr 1, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes, someone who can finish

Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Apr 1, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Corey Magette?

Josh Childress? Travis Outlaw? Andre Iguodala?

What are you willing to give up in age and/or production to get 'more athletic'?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Magette and Igoudala

would be interesting swaps for Deng. But it would have to be for somebody better than Deng, and do you think Childress or Outlaw are or are going to be better than Deng? Caron Butler or maybe Gerald Wallace would be upgrades too. Those guys aren't that much older than Deng (Magettes is 28.)

Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Apr 1, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is there

really speculation that Iguodala is available?

They're having a hell of a season as a team that was not even expected to make the playoffs.

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Apr 1, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There was some talk at the beginning of the year

but I haven't heard a word in a long time.

by alec on Apr 1, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was asking you

I don't think any of those players are demonstrably better. But a bit different.

Caron Butler is better, but older and unavailable anyway. Gerald Wallace is a few years older (25) and a big injury risk.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What's G. Wallace's injury risk?

He doesn't seem to have any more than Deng.

For that matter, he's only 25, so it's not like he's incredibly old.

I'd never really though about him, but I could see an improvement for both teams.

Charlotte seems to have a hard time meshing Wallace and JRich. Two guys that are slashers. Deng might help since he's not that type of player.

We're in the opposite situation. We're all shooters and no finishers.

I think on the whole I'd still prefer Deng, but another thing to consider is that Wallace's 5yrs and just under $50M remaining is the same or less than what Deng turned down.

My Blog (Econ/Politics/Sports/NBA Salary Info)

by Sports2 on Apr 1, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

only if you promise not to play doctor

4 concussions in 4 seasons, and a variety of leg, foot, hand, and shoulder problems that have him at 70, 55, 72, and 60 GP in 4 seasons as a full-time player.

Stephen Curry is the lowpost answer!

by hscs on Apr 1, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If you wanna play doctor with Gerald Wallace

feel free.

As I said, injury prone as compared with Deng, who also has had his share of problems.

Wallace has played in 257 out of 320 games. 80%
Deng has played in 275 out of 319 games. 86%

So Deng has a slight advantage, but it's really not much of one.

My Blog (Econ/Politics/Sports/NBA Salary Info)

by Sports2 on Apr 1, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the jerk store called...

And said you like guys, and throw like a girl, and there's more where that came from!

Stephen Curry is the lowpost answer!

by hscs on Apr 1, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Heh!

Well played :)

I hate to take things OT again, but in researching this post, I was amused to find http://www.thejerkstore.com/ redirects to http://www.gop.com.

My Blog (Econ/Politics/Sports/NBA Salary Info)

by Sports2 on Apr 1, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

More athletic like Gerald Green?

What is it with people here and their crappy labels? Pure point. More athletic. Consistent. Solid low post scorer. There's one word to use. Better. Bulls need a better PG, not just a pure PG. Bulls need a better SG, not just a taller SG. Bulls need a better SF, not just a more athletic SF. Bulls need a better PF, not just a more consistent PF. Bulls need a better C, not just a solid low post scoring C.

If you pigeonhole these positions into certain types of players, you miss the quality players that exist on the team. Not to mention, most of the labels used don't really mean anything.

Deng may not be the most athletic SF in the NBA, but he still has a good chance of developing into an All Star. Even if he doesn't, he's already a solid starter and most likely will remain so. He's probably never going to be the type to take over a game. His disappearances late in games can be frustrating. That doesn't mean he should be dismissed and discarded.

by snley on Apr 1, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I swear I had not seen Matt's post

I got caught up in actually doing some work while I was working on mine.

by snley on Apr 1, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

heh, I see it being referenced quite a bit

going forward. Worst. Diary. Ever.

I'm with all of your points above, btw. Get better, not merely different.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not saying...

... for him to think like. In fact, I think with the kids we can win some games. Ok, maybe not all- I'd be please with the games against the Cavs -, but the most of them. It's just I can forget what those kids did against the Nuggets, after the corpses went to Cleveland. They were great, played with intensity and I think they can perform like that in the last games of the season. Just give them a chance!

p.s. I bet that if Gooden returns, Boylan will play him instead of TT

I HATE BOYLAN... AND HUGHES

by bull83 on Mar 31, 2008 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

WHO CAN FORGET THIS NUMBERS?

T. THOMAS
MIN - 33:38
FGM-A - 9-13
REBOUNDS - 11 (3 OFF/8DEF)
ASSISTS - 4
PF - 3
STEALS - 2
TO - 1
BS - 3
PTS - 18

J. NOAH
MIN - 38:07
FGM-A - 7-11
REBOUNDS - 10 (5 OFF/5DEF)
ASSISTS - 3
PF - 2
STEALS - 1
TO - 1
BS - 2
PTS - 14

I didn't! But, aparently, Boylan did...

I HATE BOYLAN... AND HUGHES

by bull83 on Mar 31, 2008 8:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Which game is this?

Denver at the UC or Bulls@Golden State?

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 1, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Need to vent

I am a Bulls fan in LA, love this site, only place I can actually know what other Bulls fans are thinking and feeling and it lets me know I am not the only one who actually still cares about whats going on with the Bulls.
First off this season stunk in every which way starting with playin the Corpse (BEST NICK NAME IN THE NBA) way too much for no reason, then getting rid of one of the best coaches in the NBA before getting rid of him. I bet if they traded BW before firing Skiles, we would be at worse 5th in the East right now. Then naming this retard as a coach... Are you kidding me!!! I coached High School ball for a long while and I can tell you I got beat by better coaches on that level than Jim Boylan. We follow that up with a GM who cant run his team and get a retard to play the guys he drafted, then we trade away the Corpse and more junk for Gooden and Larry. I was actually on board with the trade. Loved the idea of having a Big guard and a decent low post presence and in the mean time getting rid of BW. Only player we lost that I thought could help was Joe Smith. The problem with Larry and Drew is that they came in and were given too much freedom. Does anyone here think Larry would shoot this many bad shots if Scott was still in charge? Does anyone think that Drew would think he is the leader of a team with Skiles ripping him a new one every day in practice? When you got players who cant lead, you need a coach or GM who can. Any how, we get these players and I am thinking ok, worse case scenario, we have a 3 man Bigs rotations between Noah, Drew, and Ty with a little bit of Gray here and there. Even this idiot cant mess this up... The this retard decides to play games with 4 guards at times during crunch time... WAIT A MINUTE, WE WERE TOO SMALL AT GUARD TO PLAY 2 OF THEM, THAT WE WANTED TO PLAY DENG AT THE 2, THEN THIS RETARD GETS ONE GUARD WHO IS 6'6 NOW WE PLAY 4 GUARDS AT A TIME??? WTF IS THAT?? If we wanna play fast, lets play Ty more. Noccioni despite everyone wailing on him here, brings it when he plays.. he is a perfect back up 3 who can also play big minutes if the coaches realized wait a minute, all he does is shoot on offense and play like a guard, lets play him at guard on offense and put him around a PG, Deng, Ty and either Noah or Drew that way Noc can guard the 4, Ty the 3, Deng the 2, and we are now a big team that can play D, Run, and we got enough guys that can play. As for Kirk, all I can say is that if he gets traded for Pennies on the Dollar shame on the whole Bulls managment. He is a program player. He does what is asked of him. Stop making him run pick n rolls and that crap, he is not nash or chris paul. Run an offense with him like the Jazz do with their flex or make a running team and let him be the trigger man and he will succeed. He is one hell of a defender.. BG is our best scorer, he is good off the bench if someone better than him starts but we dont have no one better than him to score, so maybe having him start next to say Thabo or Larry as the point isnt the worse idea, that way Kirk can play with Thabo and have one hell of a defensive second unit with them 2 in there. as for Chris Duhon.. I dont care how much he parties or what he does off the court... He is an unselfish guard who can shoot 3s and play D, thats perfect PG in a system, but we dont have a system so he sticks out like a sore thumb. Its just weird to me how every problem on this team is a mangement and coaching issue, and the only problem that wasnt got traded after the coach got fired. Sorry about the long post, I just needed to vent a little and in keeping with the NBA tradition this year I got a lil Bulls commercial in reverse
Where overpaid corpses get walking papers before the boss doesnt happen
Where Dreams of finally getting back to the top doesnt happen
Where we have the pieces to play well doesnt happen
Where defense wins championships doesnt happen
Where people love our style doesnt happen
Where common sense doesnt happen
Where Size matters doesnt happen
Where playing the guys you draft doesnt happen
Where fans trusting managment doesnt happen
Where giving it everything every play doesnt happen
Where looking forward to the next game doesnt happen
Where Playoffs doesnt happen
WHERE A FAN 2000 MILES TALKING JIBBERISH ON A MESSAGE BOARD CAUSE HE IS SO DAMN PISSED OFF ABOUT HIS TEAM HAPPENS...
DAMN YOU BULLS, DAMN YOU
(Only bright spot, I went from hating Noah for beating my Bruins 2 years a row to actually enjoying his effort and understanding of basketball)

by Name4Sale on Apr 1, 2008 2:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Your "rant" context structure

descends funny; it looks like an ASCII short. It reminded me of this

"to the children: Fuck the Bulls." - Matt

by NittanyBull on Apr 1, 2008 3:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Matt's fantasy alphabet show and NameforSale rant

Matt, I couldn't help but dream that the gun in your ASCII scatter creation was aimed at Boylan, but the shooter should wait until he turns around so that the bullet will scatter his brain. Oh, wait! forget it, he already is a scatterbrain.

Thanks,Name4Sale for your cogent and entertaining analysis of this season which makes the Titanic seem like a Carnival pleasure cruise. The season was summed up brilliantly in this sentence ".....every problem on this team is a management and coaching issue and the only problem that wasn't got traded after the coach got fired."

You mentioned you coached high school ball and got beat by better coaches than Boylan at that level. I coached 6th graders in a park district league and got beat by better coaches at that level.

Of course numbnuts doesn't want to change the rotation to give the younger players some experience. They would likely perform at a level that would fully expose what all Bull fans already know...that he is even a bigger fool than he sounds when doing one of his lame interviews.

Here again, are the +/-'s for the last 10 games (a period chosen because TT has had his most difficult offensive struggles and thus gives the coaching staff another reason to punish him by witholding his minutes...not that it is anything new). As the idiot in chief said, the one's who punch the clock more will earn the most court time. Wouldn't it be a better incentive for most of the players if his picture was on that clock when they punched it? In this way, they could reach maximum effort.

by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 1, 2008 4:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry I lost the stats...dammit . 2nd attempt

Player Minutes (+-)
Hughes 291:17 -36

Deng 362:40 -41

Noah 255:08 -33

Gooden 309:31 -34

Gordon 281:00 -41

Nocioni 156:52 -2

Nichols 7:47 +5

Gray 62:56 +16

THABO 211:24 0

Kirk 298:29 +7

THOMAS 140:31 +25

Duhon 36:53 -7

Would all the Deng, Gooden, Gordon lovers and Kirk, Nocioni, Tyrus haters please explain these numbers to me? I'm confused. Especially YOU, Boylan you tool.

by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 1, 2008 5:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Scatter shooter

I forgot to mention the shooter should have him turn around and then aim below the belt so he could hit his brain...a dumb attempt at humor aimed a dumb humourless man.

by Tyrusmancrush on Apr 1, 2008 5:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like that!

by alec on Apr 1, 2008 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i agree

ive always wanted to say most of wat u posted. especially at playing deng at SG, and working with kirk, and even to hating the idea of drafting jokim, but loving his enthusiasm to the game. well said.

I can play better "D" than Ben Gordon

by Yibs on Apr 1, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just let Thomas guard Garnett the whole night

Not that the Celtics are really going to care about this game. They want to win, but Paul Pierce calling the Miami Heat "a bunch of D-leaguers" is a quote worth putting the Celtics in their place.

Paul Pierce is a schmuck. I've never liked the guy. The only sympathy he ever received from me was on draft day when he fell and fell and fell to the Celtics. He should have gone higher and he's proven he can score in the NBA. But he's not a winner. He's a huge loser that needs tons of help to win. Garnett is tons of help. Tom Thibodeau is tons of help too.

Lets whoop these Celtics. Pile on. Expose them. Play aggressive. Play hard. Play to win. Make them walk out of the UC with a 20+ point defeat.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Apr 1, 2008 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i'd love to see that

especially since i'm getting the "hometown" celtics feed tonight :(

however, i just don't see it happening.

"Joakim Noah looks like a young Kimberly Williams." - my mom

by Jaina on Apr 1, 2008 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

eh

I don't really have a problem with what he said...his actual quote was:

"They got D-Leaguers out there, so I think we just handled our business," the Boston forward said, listing some of the five Miami players who spent time in the developmental league this season. "We're supposed to do that. We knew this was a game we were supposed to win, and we just focused from the jump and went out and did it."

He's never resembled anything close to being my favorite player, but he said nothing but the truth there.

by NormVanBeer on Apr 1, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

didn't you know there's a comment policy?

Keep the quotes out of context please.

Stephen Curry is the lowpost answer!

by hscs on Apr 1, 2008 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

my bad, i'm still learning the BaB rules. Stuff like:

who to bash vs. who not to bash

when to comment in context vs. when to comment out of context

when to be sarcastic vs. when to be serious

when to curse vs. when to use phrases like "eff you"

forgive me...

by NormVanBeer on Apr 1, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't play by anybody's rules

least of all my own

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 1, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't forget the generous heaping of emoticons

when tone fails. For instance: Kevin Love is the next Wes Unseld. ;) :-) :P etc.

by Freethefro on Apr 1, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dude!

You just mentioned a college player and it wasn't in the "draft thread"!

You broke a rule while explaining the rules!

You should be expecting a reprimand any minute now!

by Khalid El-Amin on Apr 1, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I felt sorry for him

after the face-stabbing. A draft day I don't even remember... not so much.

Stephen Curry is the lowpost answer!

by hscs on Apr 1, 2008 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fuck the Miami Heat

That quote makes him one of my new favorite players. Too bad he didn't take a shot at Riley too.

by Big D on Apr 1, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's better than what Shaq had to say.

I'd feel sorry for the guys actually seeing the floor for Miami (not the same as feeling sorry for the Heat, mind you), since they really just can't compete - except at least they're getting PT.

And speaking of the Heat, anyone know if NBATV is pulling an ABC/ESPN and dumping the Bulls-Heat game next Tuesday?

It takes a special coach to make Aaron Gray a guy you can see.

by wjb1492 on Apr 1, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Everybody should just listen to some Ryan Adams

and chill the F out. :)

I understand the aggravation piling up over such a shitty season, but come on!

Put on some music or grab your guitars (I tend to do both. No better therapy) and RELAX! :)

Just a few games left of this nightmare and we can start having some hope and interesting discussions again. (Once the "Coaching staff" is fired and the offseason wheels are set in motion)

On a final Note I'd recommend the "Suicide Handbook" to go with this excellent season we've had. (It's a bootlegg so scower the internet for it)

by Bass on Apr 1, 2008 11:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs