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Sam's in Tank Mode

I know Sam Smith's most recent column may be used as fodder by some to point that even the venerable sweater vested-one thinks Hinrich's got to go.  I wanted to jump the pass on that one to point out that Sam seemed to just be throwing shit against the wall.  About the only thing I'd take seriously from Sam's column is when he indiscreetly wrote, "I told you so."

I think back to October, after the Bulls' last exhibition game when all seemed so positive. Though I'd been equally optimistic and assured everyone the Bulls were on the upswing, I had my doubts and wrote about the team seeming joyless, bothered by some unseen, heavy burden.
 

After basking in the glory of being right, Sam offers what he thinks the Bulls should do.  First he mentions the idea of the Grizzlies drafting Derrick Rose and, subsequently, making Mike Conley available.  I doubt he really believes this.  I'm not going to go into if Rose and Conley could share the backcourt because I just don't know anything about Rose.  Wake me up the day after the Lottery drawing and maybe I'll bother to find out.  If one of us had e-mailed Sam this idea, he would have shot it down and belittled the sender.  Memphis has plenty of young PG's and aren't going to draft a guy who played for the local U to appease the fans who still won't show up anyways.  

Sam's next stop is at the idea of acquiring Gilbert Arenas.  He mentions packaging the likes of Hinrich, Gooden, and Thomas to get Arenas and then proceeds to trash Arenas for his refusal to play D.  He at least mentions that Hughes had his best seasons playing next to Arenas.  If he were actually the Bulls GM, I seriously doubt that he would pursue this avenue.  I think he realizes that Paxson would not go after a player who's well outside the "shut up and play" mold he'd prefer.  Coming off such a dysfunctional season, I have an even more difficult time seeing Paxson go down this road.  Which is a shame, because Arenas would be a nice upgrade in the backcourt.  

After reading this column, all I could picture was Sam being begged by his editor to leave the readers with something about the future of the Bulls.  Sam then followed up with a half assed attempt at doing so.  Which is truly ironic when you take into account Sam's dismissal of tanking.

But the game transcends any individual or team benefit, and you never should embarrass it by failing to give your best. Play it out and get what you deserve.

I'll finish with my favorite line in the column.  This is truly Sam at his cynical best and I wish I'd stopped reading after this.  I'll miss Sam at the Trib.  It won't be the same without him.

I could answer, "Nothing," because they're in the grip of a thrilling playoff race with Friday's do-or-die game against the Atlanta No-Screeners. In this we-want-to-pretend-like-there's-still-a-season-going-on race so you'll read the newspaper, Friday probably ranks as the must-not-lose-yet-again game, with the Hawks eighth in the East and three games ahead.

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If Memphis has the #1 overall
why wouldn't they draft Beasley?  Are the Grizz secretly stacked at the PF?

I read the Smith column on the train this morning and it's hard to read it and not consider that he's already placed one foot on Michigan Ave and the other foot is still inside the Tribune Tower.

Has anyone talked to Skiles about the Bulls since he was fired?  Where is Skiles?  He's one person I really want to hear from on our team.  We're still paying him.  Can we get an interview?

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 28, 2008 9:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe the Trib hired a football guy
to replace K.C. Johnson!!!
Chris Webber is still the lowpost answer!

by hscs on Mar 28, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, talk about wishful thinking
It'd be nice to see the Trib hire someone along those lines.  If they want to go cheap on columnists, I'm sure they could find plenty of bloggers who could more than capably fill in for the likes of Morrissey, Downey, and Rogers at a quarter of the price.  

by snley on Mar 28, 2008 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think Sam was just ready to go
or that, because of his tenure and likely high payroll number he was nudged out the door by Zell?

My sense is that the latter was definitely a factor, and I find myself harboring more than a small amount of resentment towards Zell.

by alec on Mar 28, 2008 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the Michael David Smith award goes to...
You sense that the Trib cutting hundreds of jobs, posting big losses, and trying to create cash flow by selling pieces of Wrigley Field may have something to do with voluntary buyouts of longtime Tribune employees?
Chris Webber is still the lowpost answer!

by hscs on Mar 28, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn
I meant to close with, "Are you sure?"
Chris Webber is still the lowpost answer!

by hscs on Mar 28, 2008 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad to see you're up and about.
I thought your and Parrotman's discussion yesterday was very interesting, and I hope you'll consider following it up.  Perhaps this is not the place, but I can barely read yesterday's diary.

As I'm sure you know, its common practice in statistics to throw out the extremes.  

Parrotman mentions both Deron Williams and Chris Paul as bucking the trend--and certainly, being two of the most highly regarded players at their position, they could reasonably be considered as extremes.  As such, one could make a valid statistical argument for throwing out their numbers.

But even if one were to throw out their numbers, it would still be reasonable to conjecture about the basis for the statistical anomaly.  Any ideas?

I realize I'm asking you to contribute more than a pithy one or two sentence "that's below my dignity" type of response.  But I'm assuming you think about these things--when the statistical numbers don't match up with expectations.  

by alec on Mar 28, 2008 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there isn't a trend to be bucked
in regards to adjusted plus-minus. Day-to-day updates were first made available to the public mid-season. Williams and Paul could be negative for a number of reasons I don't understand, but I wouldn't throw out a metric, nor would I use just just one metric to determine value or impact. I only mentioned adjusted plus-minus because it's new, interesting, and players on different teams can be compared and ranked (as opposed to 82games' plus-minus rating).

I really don't comprehend how adjusted plus-minus works, but I follow the explanations for non-mathematically inclined people. Parrotman thinks PER is a shabby measurement of offense, and makes things up, so whatever. That's what I'm not going to respond to (unless I feel like it).

Chris Webber is still the lowpost answer!

by hscs on Mar 28, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

PER is a fine offensive measurement
it's just a shitty overall player measurement, which is what it was designed to be.
Tyrus Thomas 2006-2008. R.I.P. We hardly knew ya...

by bullshooter on Mar 28, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Sam was ready to go, but Zell's presence
helped him make that decision a little sooner.  I'm not too impressed by Zell, but don't really care about him buying out columnists.

by snley on Mar 28, 2008 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Sam's been dropping hints
for a long time--pre-Zell, even--that he's felt himself to be halfway out the door at the Tribune.  He seemed always to reserve his harshest criticism for his employers, which I found kind of odd.  

by alec on Mar 28, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is this story?
Has KC been yanked from the Bulls Beat?
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 28, 2008 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Skiles is too classy for that
As much as I hate saying "classy." He's not going to say anything worth saying if he says anything at all. He's supposedly still on good terms with the organization, Boylan is his buddy, and ripping former employers probably isn't a good idea during a job hunt.

Does anyone really care if Skiles thinks the spacing and energy wasn't there this season?

Chris Webber is still the lowpost answer!

by hscs on Mar 28, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, he may be contractually bound
to keep his mouth shut as long as he's still on the Bulls' payroll.

But I agree with you; he doesn't seem like the type to, as People would put it, "kiss and tell."

by alec on Mar 28, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL
Maybe Sam should have campaigned for Pax's job.  Now that'd be entertaining.

As far as the Bulls, I think everyone's just throwing shit against the wall at this point. With their crappy play, lack of leadership and horrible coaching it's very difficult to look at this team and figure out what the right moves to make are.

You also have major problems in the moves you can make.  Just to summarize a few for consideration, here's what we've got to work with:

* Gordon and Deng are RFAs, so they can't be traded unless they agree to a new contract with the new team.  They'll likely be BYC then and a deal is difficult.  They can't negotiate contracts until after the draft, so the Bulls can't agree to trade them to Team X for their 08 draft pick or anything like that.

So if we eventually trade one of them, we're likely either getting an 09 pick (no immediate help) and/or players someone else is willing to give up.  

  • Tyrus will be tradeable, but I doubt anyone gives up much of value for him.  We'd probably be lucky to get a mid-round pick.  Maybe we could use him in a sign and trade with Gordon and/or to get rid of Noc for an expiring contract.
  • Gooden, Hinrich, Noah and Thabo are probably tradeable to some extent, but again nobody's going to give up Derrick Rose for those sorts of guys.
  • Hughes is a net negative.
  • We've got our pick, which might be sort of nice, though I haven't figured out what's really good in this draft, if anything.

by Sports2 on Mar 28, 2008 9:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and no mention of the front office?
I think the front office may be an issue as well.  I'm not just talking about Paxson either.  Doug Thomas tells us in the Bulls Beat podcast #32 that there are two different players that have been frustrated with the lack of video and have sought outside help to address this.

I wanted Mark Cuban to buy the Cubs, but now I want him to buy the Bulls.  We have to have a staff of multimedia personnel.  This cannot be real that if we do have one it's not enough to provide individual video for the roster.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 28, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I nominate you as box-out video coordinator
(man I knew that video thing would stick in your craw)

It's Doug Thonus, btw.

The video seems like a coaching staff thing. I doubt they don't have it available (or could), but I'll speculate that the coaches don't think it's as important as the mentioned players do.

The Bulls aren't known as cheap when it comes to that sort of thing. And someone here pointed out that one of the video scouting services had their first NBA client as the Bulls.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 28, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'll love my Bulls summer project
The unofficial Chicago Bulls Digital Library and Information Service.

Lots of web 2.0 stuff involved.  Maybe the acronym can even be tweaked to communicate the purpose.

If we're all operating in the "side project" of Markos Moulitisas Zuniga we might as well start adopting the grassroots up model reform model.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 28, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As the person who pointed out the video service
I'd like to add that one Skiles was fired, one of the video people was moved to advance scouting because they were down one less person to do that - one of the other assistant coaches stopped doing as much advance scouting and started doing more on hands coaching.  The beat writers discussed whether Pax was going to hire another assistant (outside of Brown) when Skiles was fired just because they were short staffed, but the Bulls decided not to do it right then.

And it's worth mentioning again that the beat writers refer to the coaches and players having film sessions as part of practice or instead of practice on a fairly regular basis.

I think Doug got spinned a negative view point to something that's actually positive - players doing something on their own to improve their performance.  In the long run, it's almost always up to the player to get better themselves.  Coaches can't take those shots for them, or do the drill work for them.

by KT on Mar 28, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure about that KT
I don't think that's a spin. You lay out very clearly a real negative; the Bulls were short staffed and decided not to address it.

Sure, it's a positive that the players addressed things themselves, but that seems like a real effort to spin a negative into a positive itself. ;) The players were in a position to "respond to adversity" because the organization left them in an adverse position.

by Sports2 on Mar 29, 2008 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and David Stern is busy fixing the playoffs
Chris Webber is still the lowpost answer!

by hscs on Mar 29, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not as smart as you
perhaps you could descend down to my level for a moment and explain what you're getting at in plain English. :)

by Sports2 on Mar 29, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with your disagreement
If anything stands out as spin from that podcast, it's the video stuff. Subjective and speculative for sure, but to say "that seems like a real effort to spin a negative into a positive itself" is just goofy and wrong. 3rd party support and training is very common, and short of something Ben Wallace maybe said (that had nothing to do with videotape), Noah hiring someone was the only sorta-evidence to draw a conclusion from. So a player does something a lot of other players do, and that means something? Where's the effort?
Chris Webber is still the lowpost answer!

by hscs on Mar 29, 2008 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

change my subject
"I disagree with the basis of your disagreement."

Nothing wrong with having an opinion.

Chris Webber is still the lowpost answer!

by hscs on Mar 29, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just following on what KT said
It wasn't so much the info from the podcast I found negative, but the new facts as KT laid them out.

As I understand it:

  1. The podcast basically said "the Bulls don't provide video so Noah had to do it himself".  
  2. KT came along and said that's a negative take on the situation, because the Bulls do provide video, and we should be looking at this favorably because Noah went out and did something to improve on his own.
OK, no disagreement that
  1. Noah trying to improve on his own is a good thing
  2. It's relieving to know the Bulls do have video,  film sessions and whatnot.
But...

... she also seems to be saying the Bulls never replaced the video guy who went off to become an scout when an assistant moved into a more hands on role and another assistant (Boylan) moved on to become the head coach.

In essence, the Bulls decided to go light and not replace the video guy when everyone moved into new jobs.  

That's the negative I'm pointing out, and my guess is that it's why we see the "positive" of Noah using his own resources to get it done.  

by Sports2 on Mar 29, 2008 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's just not that easy to replace some guys
in the middle of the season.

I'm sure the video person will be replaced in the off season.  I think Pax's priority was a big man coach. (And Skiles not wanting a big man coach was a barrier to having one - having a coach that the head coach doesn't want is just another cause of friction on any team).  

A lot of people they might want are under contract to other teams, just as the possible new head coach is.  Why limit you're hiring pool?  I bet Pax had Michael Brown in mind as one of the possible big men coaches even prior to this season.  

I work in project teams - when someone leaves by choice or by firing in the middle of the project, getting a replacement in and up to speed slows everything down.  I can imagine that could be the case in a sports team, too.

Just as a side note, if you see someone behind the bench with a lap top, that's the video guy.  He's got film of the opposing team available for the coach to see, and probably film of previous matchups to show on demand.

by KT on Mar 29, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points
I'm not sure I agree with them, but it's possible.  There's lots of jobs where I know bringing in a new guy slows things down, but I don't know that bringing in a video guy or an advance scout would be one of them.  I mean, I don't work in basketball or anything, but I'd guess anyone fairly knowledgeable about the game could watch an upcoming opponent and put together a report on their recent trends.  

And I'm sure the Bulls, like every team, have a pretty big library already.  

by Sports2 on Mar 29, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

K Love is good in this draft
That's what I do know!

And every time I play the Draft Lottery game on ESPN.com now, it has the Bulls selecting him!

I can't wait till draft day already!

by Option27 on Mar 28, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sam has said many times that he likes Kirk
and has defended him in his Ask Sam column.  I think he believes the Bulls will trade Kirk, however, to change things up and because he does have trade value (even after this lousy year).  But I thought it was kind of funny that he's sending Tyrus the enigma off in a trade for Gilbert Arenas - that would be a big locker room change for ya!  And poor Sam would be gone just as the Bulls are getting guys with uncontrollable mouths for interviewing.

I'm going to miss Sam.  I know he'll still be out there doing some stuff, but I'll miss the Ask Sam column and the dedication to the Bulls.

It takes a special coach to make Aaron Gray a guy you can see.

by wjb1492 on Mar 28, 2008 10:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

K-Love & Gilbert in - Kirk/BG & Tyrus out
Just like Option I have my eye on K-Love too, but I am suprised more people don't like the fact of getting Arenas.  The Bulls seem destined to packaged Tyrus with either Kirk or BG.  I cannot think of too many players that they should go after this offseason. I am adding Gilbert to my short list that has Elton Brand, K-Love, or the long shot Beasley already on it.  Something needs to happen this offseason.

by Jesse07 on Mar 28, 2008 12:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thoughts on Gil
I love Gilbert Arenas, but I'm not so sure he'd fit on the Bulls:
  • Reinsdorf has preached a defense-first approach in his recent interview with KC Johnson.
  • Arenas is listed at the same height as Ben Gordon, and the Bulls would probably want to avoid a short, scoring guard who plays no defense.
  • Multiple knee surgeries/procedures:  Even if you argue that Arenas is a star whereas Gordon is only "pretty good", the difference was that Arenas had an explosiveness that Gordon didn't have. This is now questionable with Arenas coming off of knee problems (and not for the first time in his career).
  • Arenas' approach to keeping teammates happy on the court is to shoot first, but to also get his teammates their required number of touches. But to do this (as he has acknowledged on his blog), Arenas has to be in an up-tempo system. It's doubtful the Bulls will hire a coach who will adopt an up-tempo system.
But who knows? If the Bulls are going to blow things up, then maybe they'll also compromise on their "defense first" approach. Or at least make an exception to land that elusive "star".
"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Mar 28, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Chairman should just never speak
people are WAY to eager to connect anything he says to a conspiracy theory.

He pays Paxson to do the personnel, whatever 'philosophy' he may suggest. I wouldn't worry about it.

Granted, if Reinsdorf is paying someone a max salary he may suggest that he plays both sides of the court, but it's ultimately Paxson's call. (as good as that sounds anymore...)

Gordon/Hinrich/Tyrus is a pretty nice haul for Washington, IMO. Hinrich/Gordon/Butler/Jamison(resigned)/Haywood, with Stevenson, Thomas(es), Daniels, Blatche, Young. Not bad. They may be tax-concious though, and with Gordon+Hinrich would make more than a maxed-out Arenas, and Jamison is a free-agent, they may not do it, or try to pawn off a long term salaried bench guy on the Bulls (Songaila, the poet, Daniels)

And maybe I'm still the same idiot who overvalued some of the Bulls in a possible Bryant deal, but that's a lot to give up.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 28, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

about ...
a decade ago, i bought some solid tech stocks in my IRA account and watched my profits skyrocket immediately.  over the course of the next year or so, they steadily fell, and instead of listening to my accountant and selling for a moderate loss to help the portfolio, i held on to them thinking that they would rise in value again.  today, most of them are essentially worthless.

i call this my chicago bulls investment strategy.

the bulls have me on speed dial to be the next GM.

by leeac on Mar 28, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bulls already play up-tempo
Rankings in pace factor the last few years:
07-08 11th
06-07 6th
05-06 5th
04-05 11th

Wizards pace rankings
07-08 27th
06-07 5th
05-06 7th
04-05 5th

Interesting to see that huge difference for the Wiz.  There may be something to what Arenas says.  While I doubt he'd come to the Bulls for other reasons, I don't think pace of play would be such a deterrent.

by snley on Mar 28, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think that the wizards
pace discrepancy this year may be due to eddie jordan, who is at the very least an above average coach.  with arenas out all year i think he realizes that they simply don't have the offensive firepower to run up and down, so they've clamped down defensively and turned to a halfcourt offense centered around butler and jamison creating. playing uptempo would put the ball and decision making in the hands of antonio daniels (yikes) instead of caron butler.

by Mike C on Mar 28, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arenas
Arenas would be an upgrade. But I always figured him as a Ben Gordon that actually works. Correct me if I'm wrong, but other than a post option aren't we all looking for a marginally "pure" point? More importantly, someone who can defend bigger guards?

All said, I would like Arenas. He might be the "superstar" we needed to pull ourselves over the edge.

That said, PAX!!!! TRADE FOR MAYO!!!!

醉生梦死

by blackmage71 on Mar 30, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just can't read a post
where the person says they know nothing of Derrick Rose and than goes into a long screed about someone else's (Sam Smith's) lack of knowledge.  

Here's a newsflash, Rose and Conley play the same position.  I have no idea who is better, but Rose is among the top 2 rater players in college.  Memphis will likely have the 2nd pick.  Which means they may be looking to make a trade.  Not rocket science.

The column was fine, in the mode of all his other columns.  The point of this post was?

by danger mouse on Mar 28, 2008 2:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As much I as I may disagree with him, I would
never question Sam's knowledge.  I will, though, question how he's applying that knowledge.  The point of this post was that I believed Sam put forth a real half-assed attempt at a final column and that some people here may read more into it than they should.  I don't think the column was fine.  I think he's similarly mailed it in with other columns and mailbags this season.  I've been an avid reader of Sam since I moved to Chicago in 1997.  Like I said, I hate to see him leave the Trib.  I really don't think he did so with his finest piece.    

The reason I don't know anything about Rose is that I really don't care about NCAA basketball this season and have, consequently, watched very little.  Unlike some here, I won't offer opinions on players or topics I know nothing about.  I know Rose is very highly regarded, but I don't know his playing style.  If he's a good enough scorer, there's certainly the possibility he could play with Conley in the same back court.  Players like Ben Gordon, Dwayne Wade, and Jay Williams were there teams' primary ball handlers in college and considered to be PG's but became SG's in the NBA.  

by snley on Mar 28, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rose is a PG
His NBA projections are something like Jason Kidd with a better shooting touch, but lesser passing skills.  He's very good at getting by, around, or past his primary defender.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 28, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rose is also a Chicago kid...
...and depending on where you live and who you are around it would be impossible not to have heard anything about Rose.  There is a "high school basketball community" in the city of Chicago...not to mention an section of the paper called Preps Plus.  I find it hard to believe that you have never heard much about Derrick Rose.  He has only been called the best guard to come out of Chicago since Isiah Thomas and we've had plenty prospects since then (Tim Hardaway, Kendall Gill, Dywane Wade, Kiwane Garris, Michael Finley, etc...)

Not to mention the kid won two state championships.  It just seems hard to fathom you've read sam smith since MJ was around and have never known much about Rose.  Possible I guess.  

It may be advisable to learn a bit about him because if we can get our hands on him we will.  Look around the NBA at successful teams.  Most have an outstanding point guard so we'll be looking hard at obtaining a TRUE PG.

by lexdiamonds0730 on Mar 29, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have heard of Derrick Rose. I know the name.
I know he's a PG for Memphis.  That's about all I know.  Being as such, I admitted I don't know anything about him and refuse to offer an opinion of him.  This does not mean I know nothing of basketball as a whole.  Just that I don't know, or care much for, high school and college basketball and will not offer opinions on that which I have little knowledge of.  

I have not lived in Chicago for over 2 years, so I didn't hear much about him in high school.  Even when I did live in Chicago, I was not part of the high school basketball "community."  I was not from the area originally, had no particular rooting interest in any local high school, and had better things to do with my life than attempt to immerse myself in said community.  Though I subscribed to the Trib the nine years I lived in Chicago and read the Sports section every day, I never used Preps Plus for anything but to wrap dishes when I moved.  

When it comes to Derrick Rose, again I plead ignorance.  It is intentional ignorance as, I have repeatedly written, do not care about high school sports and rarely watch college sports.  I like the pros because they are the best of the best.  Frankly, I wish more people would admit to their ignorance of certain topics and refrain from opining instead of making their ignorance obvious through statements like, "We'll be looking hard at obtaining a TRUE PG."  

It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.-- Mark Twain (1835-1910)  

by snley on Mar 29, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But...
... looking at the probabilities, Memphis is <u>unlikely</u> to have the 2nd pick.  They've got something like the 4th worst record.  That gives them about a 13% chance at having the #2 pick.

Thus, the whole scenario falls apart quickly.  There's an 87% chance they get the #1 pick (in which case they take Beasley and it doesn't matter) or they get less than the #2 pick (in which case Rose is likely gone).  So the premise is pretty shaky.

by Sports2 on Mar 29, 2008 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the way
The Bulls are tracking at about a 4% chance for one of the top 2 picks.

by Sports2 on Mar 29, 2008 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Many of us wrote our Sam eulogies
when his imminent departure was first announced, but this, being his actual last day on the job, I think it's appropriate to offer one final acknowledgement.  I take that as snley's main point here.

by alec on Mar 28, 2008 2:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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