Maybe I'm going into tank mode, but sadly Boylan just looks like he is
Boylan tried so hard to blow that game. I mean, he was really gunning for it. He even went 4 guards (Hinrich, Gordon, Hughes, Thabo) at one point.
In the meantime, the 24 point halftime lead went down to nine, but the Bulls hit some open threes and it soon ballooned back. Somewhere Boylan's writing that lineup on a napkin and saving it for later games. To him, he probably thinks it 'worked'.
Sadly, while in attendance watching the lead dwindle, I kindof wanted to see yet another spectacular collapse, with this being the greatest of all: biggest lead, biggest instance of Boylan incompetence.
Not only to give up the playoff quest, but in such a way that emphasized, yet again, just how bad Boylan is. I mean each timeout the Bulls came back smaller, it was comical.
What isn't as funny though is the fact that he can still not play Tyrus and Noah. This may be Paxson's greatest offense, that he can hire this goof on an interim basis and let him bury these guys while in a lost season. Thomas with 7 minutes and Noah with 20, none each in the 4th quarter.
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and no, Bullshooter
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 18, 2008 10:29 PM CDT
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Tyrus was 1-5
by tyger1147 on
Mar 18, 2008 10:39 PM CDT
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Boylan tried to lose it
even JB couldn't lose tonight
by Orlando Woolridge on
Mar 18, 2008 10:42 PM CDT
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Noc only got 10 minutes tonight
by bullshooter on
Mar 18, 2008 11:09 PM CDT
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That Nocioni was the first sub.
"It's time!!!"
by tyger1147 on
Mar 18, 2008 11:24 PM CDT
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Is that really cause for tears?
by bullshooter on
Mar 18, 2008 11:31 PM CDT
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it's significant
Tonight it was Noc, and only 2 relatively quick fouls changed that (and he threw in a technical, what a winner).
Why have Noc leap Thomas in the rotation, even if it was for that one game? It's not like Noc 'earned' it with his similarly bad outing the previous night.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 19, 2008 12:01 AM CDT
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oh, and Nocioni played in the 2nd half
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 19, 2008 12:07 AM CDT
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yeah, I don't get that either
by bullshooter on
Mar 19, 2008 12:17 AM CDT
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yeah...Noc looks really frustrated
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 19, 2008 12:58 AM CDT
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shared your feelings exactly
by California Al on
Mar 18, 2008 10:41 PM CDT
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Atlanta and New Jersey play tomorrow night
I seriously don't get the one stint a night for Tyrus. Does that mean "development" by any definition of the word? In a normal world, I'd say give the kid at least 10 minutes in the first, then have one of the coaches talk with him about what specifically they'd like to see him work on, then give him another 10+ in the second half to work on those things. But in my imagination the instructions Tyrus is getting go something like: "play harder, play with more energy, and don't make a mistake or you'll sit the rest of the game - but you may sit even if you play well, because Boylan sort of forgets about you as the game goes on."
by wjb1492 on
Mar 18, 2008 10:44 PM CDT
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I know this is the eastern conference
And if it's Atlanta they're then 2.5 ahead of the Bulls.
that 10+10 plan for Tyrus, while sadly an improvement, should be a bare minimum. Only if he craps the bed on those two stints. (yes I'd consider his first stint tonight not a good one). Him and Noah really should be playing 30+ each, and even though Pax strip-mined the frontcourt it still isn't happening.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 19, 2008 12:05 AM CDT
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Totally agree the 10+10 is a minimum
(I know, I was griping about eratic guard minutes yesterday, but the solution is not to play them all at the same time.)
by wjb1492 on
Mar 19, 2008 10:06 AM CDT
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It is a difficult situation.
It seems obvious to me Boylan (nor Paxson) has never sat down and said "This is what my rotation should be, and I'm going to stick to it as best I can." If a team wants to develop youngsters, I can't understand how this wasn't the first thing done. Before practicing. Before game film sessions. Before benching for punishment. It really boggles my mind.
by tyger1147 on
Mar 19, 2008 10:19 AM CDT
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Um that's pretty much what they've done
by bullshooter on
Mar 19, 2008 10:32 AM CDT
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Get your head out of Thomas's butt.
Besides, the only plan is, "Bring Thomas in for Noah towards the end of the 1st quarter." which is hardly any kind of plan like I was talking about. Seriously, you should try thinking some instead of just being an ass all the time.
by tyger1147 on
Mar 19, 2008 12:50 PM CDT
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Really?
by bullshooter on
Mar 19, 2008 2:36 PM CDT
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It knows bounds.
by tyger1147 on
Mar 19, 2008 3:37 PM CDT
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Hinrich, Gordon, Hughes, Thabo
by Cannoli on
Mar 18, 2008 11:02 PM CDT
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Gooden
by JSlakov on
Mar 19, 2008 12:46 AM CDT
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I think he means rotate the 3
I agree that Gooden looks good. Like most players that I 'hate', it's not that I hate them it's that they're playing too much.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 19, 2008 1:00 AM CDT
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thanks
I agree its hard to be a Bulls fan right now, theres a certain feeling of helplessness that I haven't felt for a while watching.
by JSlakov on
Mar 19, 2008 1:08 AM CDT
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yeah
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Mar 19, 2008 1:14 AM CDT
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Why would they trade him?
They have locked him up for at least the next two years, they can pretty much do whatever they want with him. If that means he sits so be it. Maybe you don't agree, but it doesn't mean he's gone at the end of the year.
You know, the whole TT talk altogether is really kind of tired. He's just not that good. I'm sorry I even wrote this response.
by Khalid El-Amin on
Mar 19, 2008 2:32 AM CDT
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Let's forget the debate about TT's quality
by snley on
Mar 19, 2008 9:01 AM CDT
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what happened to you?
by bullshooter on
Mar 19, 2008 10:36 AM CDT
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it's 30 minutes a game
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 19, 2008 10:39 AM CDT
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It's plenty forgivable
by bullshooter on
Mar 19, 2008 10:53 AM CDT
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your knee-jerk contrarianism is getting old too
And when he did start he was performing well, and the rug was pulled from under him because 'it's time'. To suggest that the minutes he gets are a function of performance is ridiculous, and from now on I will just start crying over your crying about the crying.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 19, 2008 11:04 AM CDT
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let me say that last part again
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 19, 2008 11:08 AM CDT
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I'm curious
by bullshooter on
Mar 19, 2008 11:15 AM CDT
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well for one, you're not 'crying'
but here ya go:
"It'd be one thing if his play warranted 30 minutes a game, but it doesn't"
- his play HAS warranted 30 minutes
- even if it didn't, he should get it anyway. You can get a ruling on my previous comments as to why.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 19, 2008 11:20 AM CDT
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The NBA--where "Showcasing" happens
by bullshooter on
Mar 19, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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sorry, it's only filtering out your contradictions
But he didn't play the 2nd half, and he's not getting even close to 30. Which is a function of Boylan, not the performance of Thomas, which you claim it is. Unless you aren't in the next sentence.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 19, 2008 11:31 AM CDT
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I think what he was saying was...
by Khalid El-Amin on
Mar 19, 2008 11:42 AM CDT
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It's already next year
by OldeBull on
Mar 19, 2008 1:07 PM CDT
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Mostly I am saying
by bullshooter on
Mar 19, 2008 11:44 AM CDT
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Because
by cranscape on
Mar 19, 2008 4:22 PM CDT
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thomas should easily get minutes
voila. no reason that any of the 3 big guys should get less than 20 minutes a game.
by Jaina on
Mar 19, 2008 11:32 AM CDT
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You should see
by bullshooter on
Mar 19, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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as always,
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 19, 2008 11:14 AM CDT
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Killing a baby seal...
Sitting a 21 year old kid on the bench because he is still learning how to play the game is natural.
by Khalid El-Amin on
Mar 19, 2008 11:20 AM CDT
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Larry Hughes
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 19, 2008 11:22 AM CDT
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We should
by cranscape on
Mar 19, 2008 11:41 AM CDT
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Yes...
by Khalid El-Amin on
Mar 19, 2008 11:44 AM CDT
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you might be on to something
by bullshooter on
Mar 19, 2008 11:47 AM CDT
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deng was never benched before
by Jaina on
Mar 19, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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Well...
by Khalid El-Amin on
Mar 19, 2008 11:53 AM CDT
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i was just
by Jaina on
Mar 19, 2008 11:55 AM CDT
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Right.
by Khalid El-Amin on
Mar 19, 2008 11:57 AM CDT
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Upon further review...
by Khalid El-Amin on
Mar 19, 2008 11:59 AM CDT
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heh, you wish you could
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 19, 2008 12:46 PM CDT
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FYI...
"Start by cutting Chris Duhon and Tyrus Thomas. Im sorry I wanted to believe in Tryus Thomas but it's over. He fucked up in Chicago. It's the Tyson Chandler effect. He's learned all bad habbits and needs a wake up call. He should have stayed at LSU 2 more seasons."
Personally I don't think we should cut the guy, but I doubt this sums up what you were trying to tell me either.
Thanks for the info though :)
by Khalid El-Amin on
Mar 20, 2008 2:14 AM CDT
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So can we assume you missed the JoeJoe era?
by wjb1492 on
Mar 20, 2008 1:09 PM CDT
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BAB created a monster
by NormVanBeer on
Mar 19, 2008 10:45 AM CDT
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Thank you...
You are very wise Norm Van Beer... Very wise.
by Khalid El-Amin on
Mar 19, 2008 11:32 AM CDT
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It's just frustrating,
Add up all of these factors, and it seems that Boylan is really more intent on the short term (and selfish) goal of holding onto his job for next season rather than actually doing his job, which would entail (1) development of the Bulls' young players, especially the high draft picks, especially when management has stated publicly that this should happen and (2) then only secondarily making the playoffs, because after all, why not, and plus, you don't want the team to become accepting of losing.
I try to keep quiet about calling for more PT for Thomas, because, as you mentioned, there's quite a lot of that going on here anyway. But Boylan's just so frustrating, and frankly, backward, on this issue that I believe that we will only see an increase of the chants of "fire Boylan" and "play Thomas more".
by bullhockey on
Mar 19, 2008 12:05 PM CDT
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No need to worry...
If he isn't then I would expect the deluge of posts about how he handles his rotation to continue, but for now I'd rather bang my head into a wall (all feelings about the development of TT aside that is).
by Khalid El-Amin on
Mar 19, 2008 12:10 PM CDT
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I did see
by sue369 on
Mar 19, 2008 1:04 PM CDT
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Kinko's finest
by Stay Chisel on
Mar 19, 2008 2:27 PM CDT
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I wasn't commenting on TT's current status.
What I was getting from this is, the Bulls hold the rights to TT and they can do whatever they want with him. Because they can bench him, they don't have to trade him. I was simply trying to explain why that attitude would be to the detriment of the Bulls and Thomas.
by snley on
Mar 19, 2008 11:05 AM CDT
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See my comment below...
I wasn't saying they shouldn't develop him in the future, but for now they play him as much as he deserves.
If he thinks he should be playing more, well then... FANTASTIC!
Let him work hard in practice and over the summer and he might get in some games more.
by Khalid El-Amin on
Mar 19, 2008 11:10 AM CDT
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So that is the rule
by cranscape on
Mar 19, 2008 11:43 AM CDT
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No...
by Khalid El-Amin on
Mar 19, 2008 11:45 AM CDT
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All this bickering daily about TT's minutes
I've been watching how much potential is there for the high screen and roll if they used it more. Noah sets a wide screen, and for some reason, rolls open down the lane. Now with practice, he'll learn to finish or dish to the cutter or shooter. Add that to the diminished pressure on the ball when the d has to respect the roll, and voila, some offense.
Instead, the ballhandler now uses the pick only to try to create space for a shot, which doesn't materialize because he's being trapped. Will all the necessary parts gel from the bench? I don't think so. These aren't bad players, but they're never going to form a rythm if there are 2-3 different faces on the floor every rotation. I go back to my origianl thought: run 2 squads, one for Boylan's veterans and one for the youth. Let their squad's performance determine minutes from game to game.
In fact, you could bring Pip back to run the 2nd squad; he did it as a player. Wouldn't you love watching numbnuts looking over his shoulder the rest of the year?
by California Al on
Mar 19, 2008 2:24 PM CDT
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Original thought
First:
Kirk
Thabo
Noc
TT
Noah
2nd:
Larry
BG
Deng
Gooden
Gray/Noah
So I don't know how original you are... ;)
(Ok, I'm drunk and argumentative right now so if you find this offensive I apologise in advance :) )
Btw, I HATE Boylan! And Noc-haters, and Kirk-Haters and Noah-haters and pretty much everyone who thinks Ben Goron is worth a double-crusted pizza! There got that off my chest! :D If this comes back to haunt me I'll blame it on the alkohol. Good night all!
by Bass on
Mar 19, 2008 6:36 PM CDT
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LOL
by California Al on
Mar 19, 2008 6:44 PM CDT
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I've noticed Kirk tends to do well with the kids
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Mar 19, 2008 9:47 PM CDT
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They can't trade him now...
As for his "declining value"... He's 21. I'd guess that half the 2008 draft class will be just as old if not older.
Plenty of teams will think he's the same "high potential" player at 22, but the more the Bulls "showcase" this we expose how limited that potential actually is. He's that rare kind of player who actually becomes more valuable the less we play him. Which is how he got drafted at #4 in the first place.
Case in point, he averages 17 minutes a game with 6 points and 4 rebounds per contest, yet for some reason people around here think he's the next Basketball Jesus.
If he averaged 34 minutes a game with 12 points and 8 rebounds per contest we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
Personally I don't think the Bulls are looking to trade him, and I think they realize what they have in TT. They aren't as dumb as people on the internet think they are.
by Khalid El-Amin on
Mar 19, 2008 10:58 AM CDT
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You might have a point there
I do have concerns about diminishing returns. Each year older he gets, the less his perceived value to other GM's will be. If the organization is not willing to commit to him now or doesn't see him developing into a starter-quality player, they need to trade him in the offseason.
by snley on
Mar 19, 2008 11:37 AM CDT
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Right. At some point
Tyrus has got to get on the floor and show that's not who he is.
by alec on
Mar 19, 2008 12:21 PM CDT
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Thomas trade dumb
I think giving up on Thomas now would be foolish. He hasn't even gotten a good look this year. Work with him all offseason, bring him back as the PF off the bench next season (Noah starting at C, Gooden at PF) for 25mins per game (no Deng at PF and some Gooden at C) and give him at least half the season to evaluate his play.
by NY Chicago Fan on
Mar 19, 2008 7:38 AM CDT
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Sam seems to think Tyrus is gone this summer too
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Mar 19, 2008 8:43 AM CDT
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That probably assures
by cubbybear on
Mar 19, 2008 9:10 AM CDT
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Can't/Shouldn't trade Tyrus
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Mar 19, 2008 12:23 PM CDT
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Yes, props to Gooden are in order
I think Gooden would be a great piece to have coming off the bench next season, but his "I'm going to work really hard this summer to fulfill my awesome potential" declaration makes me think he wouldn't be happy in that role.
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Mar 19, 2008 7:29 AM CDT
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Gooden/Hughes
Hughes - if he just drove to basket and drew fouls then would be decent piece. My worry with Hughes is that he shoots too many jumpers at not a great %. Problem is that him and Thabo seem similar but Thabo is younger and has smaller contract. Hopefully Thabo works on jumper
Its great that Kirk, Hughes, Gordon, Thabo leaves no room for Duhon as the offense and height on D improves as Duhon was such a bad offensive threat most nights. It would just be great if the Bulls could get 1 go to guy who could draw fouls and score down the stretch as Deng doesn't seem to be that at SF and they don't have dominate post player.
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Mar 19, 2008 7:46 AM CDT
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i did say
by rquinsee on
Mar 19, 2008 3:24 AM CDT
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4 fucking guards???
glad i didn't watch the new orleans game.. and almost glad i didn't watch the near collapse this game was. might still watch it on archive to see how truly bad it was.
though i finally went through all the comments on here... in the hornets game, you all were saying you shouldn't take gooden out since he was playing well, even though you wanted to see thomas... however if noah wasn't playing well anyways, what's wrong with a gooden/thomas frontcourt?
that being said.. despite the win, boylan should immediately be fired for having 4 guards on the floor at once. not that he shouldn't have been fired immediately following that sixers loss.
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Mar 19, 2008 8:47 AM CDT
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I really think
by sue369 on
Mar 19, 2008 9:28 AM CDT
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I'm not so sure
by torch on
Mar 19, 2008 10:18 AM CDT
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After what I saw last night
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Mar 19, 2008 10:20 AM CDT
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I'm hoping Nocioni and Gordon...
Howzabowt:
Ben Gordon ($12.5 mil) + Nocioni ($8 mil) + 2008 1st rnd pick
--FOR--
Stephon Marbury ($20.8 mil) + 2008 1st rnd pick
Holla!!!
(Oh, um, a deal would be in place on draft day and officially happen on July 1st. Hah!)
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Mar 19, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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Um, Marbury?
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Mar 19, 2008 10:42 AM CDT
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you're joking right?
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Mar 19, 2008 10:43 AM CDT
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heh, welcome to my spec team
The Knicks are likely to move either Curry or Randolph before Marbury. They'll have a new GM a few weeks after the regular season ends so we're not far away from learning about the Knicks future plans.
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Mar 19, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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Isaiah's not fired yet!
The NBA:
Where false idol worshiping ownership happens.
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Mar 19, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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if this occurred
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Mar 19, 2008 10:47 AM CDT
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That is
Last thing we need is another me first player to tandem with Hughes and one who's skills are declining and who's always been overrated (look at how much better his teams did after he was gone).....
Plus he makes WAYYY too much money.
No Stephon can stay with New York.
I'd much rather like to see something like:
Deng + draft pick + Nocioni to Miami for Shawn Marion and a scrub. We lose our 2 SF's but gain a much better (Though older) version....
Or
Hughes + Tyrus + Deng + Draft pick (top 3 protected) for Kaman & Magette (Corey can get to the line, which is a must for us).
This second trade would be a bit riskier, but I'd love us with this lineup.
Hinrich-Gordon-Maggette-Noah-Kaman (or swap the two, and mix in Gooden). Noah's speed might make him decent at the 4, even if he's more a 5.....
But I digress...you got me into trade ideas.
I think LA might be ok parting with Kaman because Brand is coming back and those two have trouble coexisting (at least judging from the diff last yr vs this yr in Kaman).
Kaman's very underrated too.....having Gooden and Kaman would give us the underappreciated solid Bigs.....having Gordon and Maggette give us two solid scoring options who can get to the line.
I'd like to keep Hinrich and give him a coach.
Sefalosha and Noah are our top bench guys.
We lose out on Tyrus, but it's for the betterment of this team, since it seems mgmt doesn't want to develop him anyway.
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Mar 19, 2008 11:37 AM CDT
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Well, only if
But other than those two things, we might want to take a pass on Mr. Marbury.
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Mar 19, 2008 12:08 PM CDT
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For all Marbury's weirdness
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Mar 19, 2008 12:29 PM CDT
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Um...
by Khalid El-Amin on
Mar 19, 2008 12:33 PM CDT
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You're right.
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Mar 19, 2008 12:37 PM CDT
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lol
I'd rather the kids still save for Jordans or Lebrons. There is a good lesson in saving to draw from this. It's also an excellent example of how controlling your own capital and allocating according to your wants is a good thing. Marbury and Wallace could support school vouchers and help way more parents than with $15 sneakers.
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Mar 19, 2008 2:19 PM CDT
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i wouldn't
also, no one should support school vouchers. they should support the public schools.
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spoken
by NormVanBeer on
Mar 19, 2008 2:35 PM CDT
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You really have no idea where I came from
by NBA Observer on
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i don't have to know,
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I guess I should point out...
I just want to get something for Gordon since I know he's gone. The best way to do that is to combine him in a sign-and-trade. Nocioni has a big contract that is still too long. He should go somewhere. I turned to our First Friend to do this. If there are other ideas have at it. (I'm sorry for bringing it up in this thread.)
by tyger1147 on
Mar 19, 2008 1:05 PM CDT
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You like Nocioni and Gordon that much?!?!
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Ty
by sue369 on
Mar 19, 2008 2:37 PM CDT
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I know. Buy him out.
by tyger1147 on
Mar 19, 2008 3:37 PM CDT
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I don't disagree
by Stay Chisel on
Mar 19, 2008 5:45 PM CDT
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You don't have to buy him out
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Playing Time Conundrum
I can't help but think about the Nuggets game after the trade and how exciting it was. Now, it could just have been because Denver plays at a very fast pace. But, after the trade and watching that game, how hard would it have been for Boylan and Paxson to tell the new guys that, while they are valued, they are going to fill in around the edges while they get to know the team? TT and Noah would have played together more (w/Noah's passing and TT's baseline dives to the hoop making them a solid combo) and the three guard rotation with Kirk, Thabo and BG could have jelled. Larry and Gooden couldn't have pouted that much and, even if they did, no one would care because they hadn't built up any veteran capital on the team.
Why would we want to do that though?
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Mar 19, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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I'm not very high on Gooden
A couple of things I don't like about Gooden's game.
- He doesn't finish very well with one hand. I haven't seem him make any dunks in the low post with one hand. In other possessions where he just cannot attempt a dunk because the defender has good position, when Gooden goes up with one hand, unless it's a jump hook, it is good chance that shot is blocked or just ugly with little chance of falling in. It's something we used to see all the time from Tyson Chandler. It's something that plagues low post bigs with smaller hands.
- He has no left hand. He's post limited to the low left side block. When he's posting on the right side it's a guaranteed passing situation unless the defender gives him too much space for a face up jump shot. Gooden's only outs are to try to push his defender to protect the baseline, which is Gooden's strong side move, but this is difficult if the defender has watched scouting film and taken instruction from the coaches and forces Gooden to move to his left and towards the middle of the paint. If this happens Gooden gets trapped in the paint and likely coughs it up.
- Not really his fault, but Boylan insists on long stretches of minutes that leave Gooden tired and underperforming in the final 20% of his floor time.
by NBA Observer on
Mar 19, 2008 10:43 AM CDT
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I hesistate to ask this
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Mar 19, 2008 10:56 AM CDT
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your sig makes me sad
by tyrus4prez on
Mar 19, 2008 12:32 PM CDT
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Ask anything
No. I did not watch the game last night. I am not watching any more games this season until I read about Thabo, Tyrus and Noah getting significant burn together on the floor. Instead, I'm following play by play writeups, live box scores, and game flow. Then reading all the wrap up reports.
The Philly and New Orleans games were the last straw for me. The imagery is too painful.
by NBA Observer on
Mar 19, 2008 1:41 PM CDT
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You missed it then
by bullshooter on
Mar 19, 2008 2:34 PM CDT
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I think what Observer's talking about
by alec on
Mar 19, 2008 1:45 PM CDT
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Since I didn't watch it
by NBA Observer on
Mar 19, 2008 1:51 PM CDT
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ugh
If Pax had any stones, he would fire Boylan now and coach himself the rest of the way. This team is going nowhere this season so we need to look at what we have. It's kind of hard to do that with Noah and Tyrus (and to some extent Gray) on the bench. Neither TT nor Noah were bench-worthy after their first half performances.
Boylan is a clown and Paxson is a bigger buffoon for keeping him around.
by Stay Chisel on
Mar 19, 2008 10:57 AM CDT
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Paxson's Waterloo: Boylan, Thomas & Noah
You can't have a season in which your team:
- is in the lottery
- finishes below .500 (apparently this doesn't mean a lottery pick in the LEastern Conference)
- primary players significantly regress
- limits playing time for youth (esp. Noah, Thomas, Thabo)
In that case, you deserve all of the mountain of crap that falls on your head. We're approaching "fall on the sword" time here...
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Mar 19, 2008 11:49 AM CDT
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Word
The least they should do is go back to being a young up-and-coming team again. At least then the games are fun to watch and there's hope for the future.
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Mar 19, 2008 1:33 PM CDT
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Perversely, I was somewhat depressed by the
Yeah.
by 1958ChiTown on
Mar 19, 2008 1:28 PM CDT
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It's a fine line...
by alec on
Mar 19, 2008 1:38 PM CDT
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It's already next year,
Actually it's management that needs to make those decisions since it should be obvious that this coaching staff won't be back, probably not even Pete Myers, whom I always assumed was Paxsons eyes & ears.
Paxson probably feels this is a lost season and it doesn't make any sense to replace Boylan or even work on anything new in particular.
Next year it's a whole new coaching staff and probably 4 or 5 new faces.
We arrived in our 300 level seats earlier than we usually do so I watched warmups and the intros more closely than normal. This is a defeated team. They barely went through the motions on the player intros and looked on their way to defeat until Thabo's play lifted them. It's obvious that Hinrich, Deng and Nocioni have turned Boylan off and are just playing out the string. Actually watching Boylan and how the the players respond to him it looks like they should be chanting "Dead Man Walking"
by OldeBull on
Mar 19, 2008 1:53 PM CDT
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How can they not have turned him out?
by California Al on
Mar 19, 2008 2:05 PM CDT
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W noticed
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Mar 19, 2008 2:35 PM CDT
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i noticed the same thing
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Mar 19, 2008 3:34 PM CDT
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Random thoughts
Thabo and TT are the only players with potential to become significantly better than they are now. (JK can improve but I don't think he'll ever be an offensive threat.) Great to see Thabo get minutes, but TT needs them too. TT was better when starting because he didn't feel the need to produce right away.
Boylan is coaching from fear of blowing leads, but playing the same five guys the whole 4th quarter just leads to blown leads. He needs to give TT consistent second half minutes to help him get better and so they know what they have.
by El Toro de Goro on
Mar 19, 2008 2:00 PM CDT
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Even though Pax/Boylan
by T2fan on
Mar 19, 2008 3:29 PM CDT
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I gotta have more Tyrus
Kirk's been getting crap foul calls a lot this season which has further limited what we can see from Tyrus. Kirk can help boost Tyrus' confidence and set his tone. After that, it would be great to see some back picks to send him baseline for the lob passes, but eventually you just have to post him up to see what he can give you. Heck, when Julian Wright is out there just put Tyrus in the dang game. He will take advantage of these players.
by NBA Observer on
Mar 19, 2008 4:32 PM CDT
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Thomas....
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Mar 19, 2008 3:40 PM CDT
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He needs
Besides all of that, the season is toast. There isn't a single compelling reason I've heard yet to show why Thomas and the other young players shouldn't be playing extended minutes. Get it over with now so we don't go through this yet again at the beginning of the next season. The summer might help in fundamentals, actual playing time during the game is a zillions times more important though, especially since we are treading water anyway and have the time to give them. The older players are not going to regress (even further I mean) or suddenly get more valuable at this point.
I think everyone is hung up on the playing time because there really isn't any other reason to be watching a below .500 team at this point besides trying to get excited about the future held in the young guys. Hard to do that when they are not playing them much.
by cranscape on
Mar 19, 2008 4:18 PM CDT
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Paxson is as much to blame for Tyrus' lack of run
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Mar 19, 2008 4:05 PM CDT
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It's as though we're holding
by alec on
Mar 19, 2008 4:23 PM CDT
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Anybody read the lovely article on Boylan?
It's full of awesome stats and player quotes from January, in spite of a posting date of today. I had myself quite the chuckle.
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/boylan_feature_080319.html?rss=true (posted under the newsfeed as well)
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Mar 19, 2008 4:29 PM CDT
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lol
by NBA Observer on
Mar 19, 2008 4:33 PM CDT
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Compassion for "his guys"
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Mar 19, 2008 5:00 PM CDT
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I was just getting ready to comment on it.
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Mar 19, 2008 6:37 PM CDT
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that article explained EVERYTHING!
There are more important things in life than winning. TT has the game of his life in GS? Good, now let someone else play. Noah's being over competitive, trying to win? Sit his ass down the whole second half. Put the guys out there who understand that it's a game and should be fun.
Your 2008 Chicago Bulls. Compassion is thy name.
by California Al on
Mar 20, 2008 3:50 PM CDT
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How about this for insane...
If you guessed Jordan Farmar at 42" you were right.
Well, check this out. Vernon Gholston, a 6'3" 266lb. DE from Ohio State had a 42" vertical at his pro day last week. Here is a picture of the guy. He looks like a cartoon character.
http://photo.the-ozone.net/photos/2007_2008/Football/07-09-22-FB-0045.jpg
by alec on
Mar 19, 2008 6:42 PM CDT
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sorry, I missed a couple.
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Mar 19, 2008 6:58 PM CDT
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Antonio McDyess
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Mar 19, 2008 8:09 PM CDT
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Ok, found it:
- Has a 42-inch vertical leap and a one-step leap of 47 inches
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/antonio_mcdyess/bio.html
Interesting also to check this out:
http://www.topendsports.com/testing/results-vertical-jump.htm
Player: Vertical Leap:
Michael Jordan 48" (122 cm)
Spudd Webb 46"
Dee Brown 44"
Harold Miner 44"
Vince Carter 43"
Steve Francis 43"
Antonio McDyess 42"
Dominique Wilkins 42"
Allen Iverson 41" (104 cm)
Dr. J 41"
by bullhockey on
Mar 19, 2008 8:13 PM CDT
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that's pretty amazing if you think about it
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Mar 19, 2008 8:28 PM CDT
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Isn't there a playgrond dunker with
I think I saw it on that sports science show. Also, I think it showed Chad Johnson as having the same jump as this playground guy.
by alec on
Mar 19, 2008 8:31 PM CDT
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he dunked over a car
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Mar 19, 2008 9:02 PM CDT
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Yeah, that's the guy.
by alec on
Mar 19, 2008 9:16 PM CDT
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Is the guy who did the 720
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Mar 19, 2008 11:16 PM CDT
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Was it Michael Wilson?
Mr. 720 is Taurean Fontenette. He's known as "Air up there". He runs with a new group of guys that all have amazing hops. I think they're called "New Flight Brothers". They're pretty cool. They sent a bunch of dunks to Rudy Gay to attempt in the dunk contest. Gay thought these guys were dunking on a 9' rim. He didn't think most of their dunks were possible.
I didn't see the "Sports Science show", but I did watch the "City Slam" series hosted by Dee Brown. There was a guy that was dunking over a 66" bar. He was doing reverse jams to get over the bar in the way a high jumper gets over 84" bar. It was pretty cool.
The one guy at City Slam that had awesome "standard" hops was "Springs". I don't recall his full name, but at 6'2" he was getting about 46" of vertical.
by NBA Observer on
Mar 20, 2008 1:03 PM CDT
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More misc. body stats
Joakim height: 6' 10.5"
Drew G height: 6' 8.75"
Tyrus standing reach: 9' 0"
Joakim standing reach: 8' 10.5"
Drew G standing reach: 8"10.5"
Tyrus wingspan: 7' 3"
Joakim wingspan: 7' 1.12"
Drew G wingspan: 7' 0.5"
So, even though Tyrus is the shortest of the three, just standing there on defense, he blocks more space. And when he jumps, his advantage is extended even further. Draft Express doesn't have Gooden's verical, but TT's is 2 inches higher than Noah's.
by alec on
Mar 19, 2008 7:20 PM CDT
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he's also probably the lightest of the three
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Mar 19, 2008 8:31 PM CDT
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These are meaningless stats...
by Khalid El-Amin on
Mar 19, 2008 10:10 PM CDT
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They're nice to have to refute those who have
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Mar 20, 2008 9:39 AM CDT
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It's not his size
Tyrus is too rail thin to play the PF spot. I worry if he bulks up to the size he needs to be to fit in more at that spot, that he might do that to the detriment of his incredible athleticism....
Matt'll be mad at me for posting again, but I felt I'll speak to all those who you might be referring to in your post above.....and I won't say more to refute your response.
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Mar 20, 2008 10:35 AM CDT
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Long term hs doesnt look
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Mar 21, 2008 7:57 AM CDT
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Don't Trust but fun to look at sometimes
Many players age is not even correct.
Charles Barkley at Auburn, was listed at 6' 6" or 6' 7", depending on the year, but when he went to enter the NBA, he, he shrunk to a meager 6'4". Though he and Dennis Rodman are in the top ten Rebounders in NBA history.
Barkley explained, he was actually measured by Auburn's engineering department, which explains why his stated height was off by 2 or 3 inches.
A good measure is to compare versus the refs on the floor, who normally average between 5'10 to 6'1, then you see that 6'4 point guard looking up at them.
by Homegrown on
Mar 20, 2008 2:02 PM CDT
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NJ beat Atl
by bullshooter on
Mar 19, 2008 9:06 PM CDT
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I'm telling' ya.
by wjb1492 on
Mar 19, 2008 9:43 PM CDT
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Lottery watch is not fun
by Ozzie Montana on
Mar 20, 2008 12:09 AM CDT
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I've watched Griffin
by Freethefro on
Mar 20, 2008 9:20 AM CDT
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Blake Griffin is damn good
He is a real power forward.
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Mar 20, 2008 1:05 PM CDT
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I'm currently 33,000 in line for the
Between that and the Spurs game, today will be a complete basketball orgy. No work will be done.
by 1958ChiTown on
Mar 20, 2008 11:07 AM CDT
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My friend...
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Mar 20, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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This is without question
(I'm not actually sure that's what I want for the team at this point, but how can you not want the upsets this weekend?)
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Mar 20, 2008 1:15 PM CDT
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Since Illinois ain't in this tourney
Gotta support the illest player in the draft and the fact that he represents Chicago
I'd say I want him to play for the Bulls more than any player coming out.
But that's for the draft thread so I'll stop right there
by Option27 on
Mar 20, 2008 11:57 AM CDT
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Do you like Eric Gordon?
Umm, good. Very good.
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Mar 20, 2008 1:07 PM CDT
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Ding! Ding! Ding!
Let's say he's better than BG. So what if he's the next Gilbert Arenas? Or even the next Mitch Richmond? That's pretty much best case scenario.
Why choose the future Arenas or Richmond when you could try for the next Amare Stoudamire? Or the next Dwight Howard?
I'm jaded with regard to undersized 2-guards. Can you tell?
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Mar 20, 2008 2:49 PM CDT
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Is 6'4" undersized at the SG?
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Mar 20, 2008 4:51 PM CDT
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They do have their similarities
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Mar 20, 2008 2:52 PM CDT
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I guess you can say
Love and Rose is what I'm about this year
Love if they make the playoffs
Rose if they don't .. .. .. and get lucky
by Option27 on
Mar 20, 2008 3:04 PM CDT
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Bigger, stronger, faster
Eric is better ball handler as well.
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Mar 20, 2008 4:57 PM CDT
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So far, this Tourney is boring.
by 1958ChiTown on
Mar 20, 2008 3:16 PM CDT
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SO far . .
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Mar 20, 2008 3:26 PM CDT
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The college game always strikes me as
But the Tourney is a great sporting event.
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Mar 20, 2008 3:39 PM CDT
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Hey Tyger!
I wish somebody who closely follows the NCAA would start a Tournament Diary. I'd like to know who we should be paying attention to in each of the games.
by alec on
Mar 20, 2008 4:14 PM CDT
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draftexpress is blogging the tournament
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Mar 20, 2008 4:30 PM CDT
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I think Rush is the sleeper in this draft.
His shooting ability is awesome and his athleticism and long arms means he shouldn't have trouble getting the same shot off. I could see him being a 20per36 scorer. But w/ height! I think his defense is underrated partly because he does look so disinterested. I'd be happy if the Bulls ended up with him and brought in some great player-development coaches.
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Mar 20, 2008 4:43 PM CDT
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He really is an excellent defender
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Mar 20, 2008 4:52 PM CDT
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I know you've mentioned him before.
I like ESPN's coverage so far...Digger and Bob Knight. It's nice tio have a couple guys who really know what they're talking about.
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Mar 20, 2008 4:59 PM CDT
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Even here in BigXII country,
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draftexpress is blogging the tournament
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Blogging-through-the-NCAA-tournament--Day-One-/
Espn.com has an article on top future nba guys to watch posted as well - it's insider, but looks like its on free preview for this. This is the link for the Midwest, but you can link to the other regions from it.
I know none of that could possibly be as great as BaB'er "expertise" (self-proclaimed, of course!). I really only follow the Big XII closely, and a couple of other random teams. I'm a complete idiot when it comes to most of the field, especially the mid-majors. (Go KU!)
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Mar 20, 2008 4:44 PM CDT
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Hmmm, sorry about the double post there
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Mar 20, 2008 4:48 PM CDT
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Bobby Knight checks in
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Mar 20, 2008 5:44 PM CDT
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I was expecting bigger things
These were lofty projections. Anyway, a strong tournament can elevate a player 50 draft spots. See Dwayne Wade for evidence.
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Mar 20, 2008 4:54 PM CDT
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I saw him kill UConn,
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Mar 20, 2008 5:03 PM CDT
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Time-out
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Mar 20, 2008 7:27 PM CDT
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No open thread for the Spurs game, eh?
I suppose I can understand.
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There is a thread
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