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Open Game Thread #66: Bulls at New Orleans Hornets

Bah.

Usually, as this season has progressed (or digressed), by each next game I'm back on the horse. That Sixers loss did me in though, like the Washington one should've.

Would a win on the road over New Orleans make up for collapsing at home? Meh, maybe, but I've finally learned that it'll only mean we're just that much closer to seeing the next Boylan-led debacle. No thanks.

The Hornets are hurting, and David West may not play. They did play yesterday afternoon in Detroit, which supposedly, with real NBA teams, helps.

Commenter paxson43 emailed me noting that tonight is green jersey night in celebration of St. Patrick's day, and last season's outing in the green was a destruction of the Celtics featuring Tyrus Thomas going bananas with many an alley-oop.

Fast forward a year, and I'm pretty sure the Bulls released Thomas, I'm now looking to sell my upcoming tickets against the Celtics, and Ty-3 watch is in full effect. He bled once in a game, you know.

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It's a toss up
if I watch this game or Dancing With The Stars.

by sue369 on Mar 17, 2008 6:42 PM CDT reply actions  

no DVR?
I usually can get through a game in 1:15 nowadays.

Also, I'm not sure if this works for non-HD telecasts, but I was so fed up with Dore and Kerr on  Friday that I unplugged the front speakers and just had the sounds of bouncing basketballs, squeaking sneakers, and Tommy Edwards. I sort of lost track of the fouls, but that's a small price to pay.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 17, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll record
one or the other. We get both events in HD.

by sue369 on Mar 17, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be watching :(
After paying for league pass for the first time this year, I'm sort of feeling like I'm at one of those really crappy all-you-can-eat buffets.  The game may be physically painful to watch, but dammit, I'm getting my money's worth if it kills me.
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 17, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm watching dancing with the stars
Since no league pass in Charter country.  I'd record it and go through it in 50 minutes, but I have to watch American Idol tomorrow night, so I might not get back to it.

by KT on Mar 17, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

you women and your dancing
and ice-skating and gymnastics.  I'll never get it... :-p
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I watch ice skating
just to see if they'll fall.  Just like people who watch Nascar for the car crashes.  :)

by KT on Mar 17, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

YEA GO BULLS
LETS TURN THIS SEASON AROUND STARTING TODAY!!! WHOOOOOOO!!!!

Sorry...that was sooo uncalled for...I just wanted to get that last bit of enthusiasm out of my system and get ready for another mind numbing loss.

By the way anyone hate the way the bulls lose. I mean just losing is one thing, but they make you think they are dominating, but in reality all they need is a 5 min window to get blown out. Gah.

Although i am looking forward to those Green Jerseys (green being my favorite color, maybe i should become a fan of the celtics, at least then ill be rooting for a winning orginization for the next two years. The bulls should pick up by then huh??)

Kirk Hinrich. The Best White American Point Guard in the NBA.

by piccolomair on Mar 17, 2008 7:10 PM CDT reply actions  

To me
This is just a chance to see Noah vs Chandler

by Option27 on Mar 17, 2008 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

who is Bowen
is he any good?
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 7:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Key matchup = Hinrich on Paul
Going out on a limb, I know. But considering how badly he outplayed Kirk in the last meeting, this is a chanced for Captain Kirk, aka "Captain Mediocre" to redeem himself.

by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 7:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Now I know it's showcasing
Gooden just went in for the jump ball.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 7:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Hughes drive
Why does he not do that more often? He actually looks good hen he does, especially compared to his awful bricks he throws up so often.

by Illini15 on Mar 17, 2008 7:15 PM CDT reply actions  

How long before Boylan fucks this up
Only a matter of time before he goes small

by Option27 on Mar 17, 2008 7:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Bleh
Anyone else getting a sick feeling that this lead is gonna go bye bye, and were gonna have mediocre performances by hinrich, deng, hughes and tyrus and noah wont be anywhere at the end of the game? Cuz i definetly am, ....i hate this.
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 17, 2008 7:28 PM CDT reply actions  

On Cue
There it is, were losing. Bleh.....
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 17, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

you forgot to add the guy who just came in
and is playing out of position which completely hamstrings his game.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really
Quick Shot?? You must mean WHAT THE HELL!!! Another dumb shot by hughes, Woot Woot!!
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 17, 2008 7:37 PM CDT reply actions  

next year
at the draft I don't want to hear how we need size.  It doesn't matter we'll go small any chance we get
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Mar 17, 2008 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Tyrus is 1 foul away
from the 2 allowed fouls per game that Boylan allows him.

by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Boylan
I couldve sworn it was a team rule way back in the skiles era too. Im sure it was printed into the rule book last season.
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 17, 2008 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thabo and Noc
have the same haircut, except Thabo's is in cornrows.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

They are saving them all
For the last 5 minutes of the game. So that if we even try to pull a comeback, they will be able to put us in our place.
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 17, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow Noc
That was terrible face up defense. As soon as he made a half arsed swipe, Wells drove right past him.

by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 7:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Noc doesn't seem to be too in to it tonight
wonder how he feels about the rotations...
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 7:52 PM CDT reply actions  

BG
Seems to be playing alright...the verdict is out on  most of the other players. Thabo might have a decent game, Hinrich may not see the court again. Wonder if duhon will  hit the floor, wonder if he remembered to bring his green jersey much less tuck it in.
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 17, 2008 7:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Nm
Thabo is also having a good game. Package Hinrich and Hughes for something good? Man...and i really thought hinrich would be the next stockton...:(
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 17, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Duhon didn't make the trip
and it kills when BG is at the point for so many reasons, but the biggest might be that if he is the bulls best shooter, why would you want him to be passing the ball?  There is about a 3% chance that none of Hughes, Gooden, Deng, TT, Noc or whoever is out there don't shoot the ball and they swing the ball back around.  It's just dumb.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thabo can play
Some point...Maybe the bulls will take Sam Smiths advice and draft Rose in the offseason by trading up for him.
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 17, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

How long
until TT starts jacking up 3's?  He's always getting the ball out there.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 7:54 PM CDT reply actions  

that needs to stop
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Mar 17, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thabo
is just beautiful to watch

by Option27 on Mar 17, 2008 7:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Hinrich didnt even TRY
To get that rebound...>DAMN IT ALL
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 17, 2008 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes he did...
That was the highlight of the game for me. Maybe he's thinking ahead to Tyler Hansbrough...

by smash on Mar 18, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chris Paul
is just a joy to watch - fast, explosive, creative.  

by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 8:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep
I'm reduced to enjoying the superb play of players on the other team.  Damn.

by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

you'd think Deng would stand
a little closer to Stojackovic and not lose him quite so much.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 8:33 PM CDT reply actions  

this Bowen guy
is doing everything he can to keep the bulls in it.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 8:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Bowen
This dude is the worst "NBA player" I've ever seen.

by Illini15 on Mar 17, 2008 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

why so negative
bulls are winning for one.  All that despite hinrich's usual shit play and our new arrivals from cleveland combining for more than 20 shots already, although they are doing quite well at it.  
If Boylan doesnt screw with the lineups too much then the bulls have a chance.  Oh and chandler his looking like his former self.

by Sambossanova on Mar 17, 2008 8:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing
I thought they were losing, judging by these comments. Then I checked the score and they're up by 9. Noice
"to the children: Fuck the Bulls." - Matt

by NittanyBull on Mar 17, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our new arrivals
have played really well .

by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hinrich
boy he blows shooting tonight.

by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 8:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes
Someone tell him to stop attempting shots. It's ugly to watch...I mean, he's not even close on some of these.

by Illini15 on Mar 17, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Horrendous foul there
Come on, Larry, you're having a pretty good game. Don't bail them out like that.

by Illini15 on Mar 17, 2008 8:41 PM CDT reply actions  

he Wallaced a dunk
how good of a night can he be having.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

CP jets by a lot of people
and Noah probably has never seen this kind of speed before.  He's a smart kid; he'll adjust.  Let's home he does it quickly!

by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Boylan's coaching
has been rock solid today.  Please let this continue till the 4th.

by YaoPau on Mar 17, 2008 8:48 PM CDT reply actions  

If it weren't for the end of the quarter
BG would already be an all-star.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 8:57 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL
BG's really fun to watch...except we've gotta stop giving him the ball at the end of quarter's and just saying "create."  Run some offense!  Jeez.

by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 8:57 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah
his handle just doesn't cut it in situations like that

by Illini15 on Mar 17, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey all-
is it possible that we could keep Gordon and trade Hinrich?  Does he still have any value with that huge contract?  

by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

the problem is
who would play PG? BG and Hughes? meh

by Illini15 on Mar 17, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

dudu
lets face it, hinrich aint much better.  OK so that was a joke but no one is going to take both hughes and hinrich.  Need someone who can shoot the ball and neither of them can.  Thabo, Gordon and Rose would look like a nice backcourt even if a bit undersized.

by Sambossanova on Mar 17, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they're just going to have to figure out
who will bring them the best deal back out of Larry, Kirk and Ben - assuming they can get reasonably close to signing Ben anyway.
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 17, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

So is a 9 point lead only half as toxic as +18?
And does that mean the Bulls might hold on to win?

It was a nice 3rd until those closing seconds.  I don't know why a team that supposedly prefers ball movement always goes to isolations at the end of quarters/games.

Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 17, 2008 9:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Alright Jimbo
BLOW THAT LEAD BLOW THAT LEAD

by gobulls1124 on Mar 17, 2008 9:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Larry Hughes and his fucking quick jumpers
in transition are a nightmare.

Boylan is such an ineffectual moron.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 17, 2008 9:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Not sure if you can blast Boylan right now
the shots these guys are taking are all on them

by Illini15 on Mar 17, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh, who coaches them?
WHo supposedly talked ot them about how to protect a big lead in practice?

WHo apparently didn't get through?

Hence, ineffectual.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 17, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

my bad
i read your post too quickly. i agree with you on the "ineffectual" thing. it certainly rings painfully true.

by Illini15 on Mar 17, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

BG better continue to make it rain
or this will be tough to watch I'm afraid

by Illini15 on Mar 17, 2008 9:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Is Noah in?
...I am not getting this on TV.

by bullsfaninbigapple on Mar 17, 2008 9:09 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah
he's played most of the game tonight

by Illini15 on Mar 17, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks
...that gives me some hope...

by bullsfaninbigapple on Mar 17, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't have big stats tonight
but he's played good D on chandler.  Not a great game, but not awful.

by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

if Stojkavich starts hitting
this game is over, he's been open all night and not hitting.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 9:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Gooden is having another good game.
No room for TT on this team.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 17, 2008 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

it really sucks
when Gooden is playing like this, you really can't justify taking him out of the game for Tyrus. and I have Tyrus as much as anyone. just a bad situation. maybe someone will want Gooden in the off-season if he keeps playing like this? but would Pax even want to get rid of him? doubtful

by Illini15 on Mar 17, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

someone definitely will
probably the bulls, but there's still no reason TT can't get good minutes too.  Noah hasn't played well enough to get all these minutes tonight.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty clear Tyrus
will be the one traded or released by management.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 17, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

tyrus
if they wanted to trade him they probably already would have.  The way they have spoken, true words are different than actions, the bulls arent trading tyrus unless they are getting something big in return.  Same goes for deng probably.

by Sambossanova on Mar 17, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow
Hughes sucks

by Ed on Mar 17, 2008 9:17 PM CDT reply actions  

um, what did I say?
oh yeah.  get hughes out. now.

by alec on Mar 17, 2008 9:18 PM CDT reply actions  

he's the best defender on CP
but what difference does it make?  CP scorches us anyway and Hughes' offense is brutal.  Not just missed shots.  Missed shots that were awful to begin with!

by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

hughes
one-man implosion right now. completely lackadaisical

by Illini15 on Mar 17, 2008 9:19 PM CDT reply actions  

The Bulls are a joke.
Boylan is a joke.

Paxson is a joke.

Yet again, no interior defense combined with bad perimeter defenders costs us the lead.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 17, 2008 9:19 PM CDT reply actions  

hmm
he's been hurtin for like 2 months now but other than that no...

by Sambossanova on Mar 17, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is sad is....
I would have been more surprised if they didn't start coughing up the lead.

by BoxingHideout on Mar 17, 2008 9:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Did Boylan just put Gooden at the five again?

Unreal.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 17, 2008 9:21 PM CDT reply actions  

We got rid of the 5
We're working on a 0-4 system now.

by BoxingHideout on Mar 17, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

to be fair
bonzi or peja is playing power forward right now.

by Sambossanova on Mar 17, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then go big and get a size advantage
Why does Boylan always let the other team dictate matchups?

by Big D on Mar 17, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

hmm
watch chandler kill us on the boards right now...this reminds me of some other nights lineups. gooden as center and deng at Pf. sweeeeeet.

by Sambossanova on Mar 17, 2008 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

the 5th "get larry hughes" out comment
he has been responsible for blowing the last three possessions (jacked up jumpshot, one on one brick with shotclock running out, turnover leading to fastbreak).

larry hughes is a black hole. once you pass him the ball, he keeps it for a contested shot or turns it over.

by Orange Juice on Mar 17, 2008 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

interesting lineup
it's almost long, but still small.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I hate Boylan
Someone can explain me this lineup?

by bull83 on Mar 17, 2008 9:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey, how did Chandler get that lob?

oh yeah, cause he is over seven feet and he is being guarded by Drew F'in Gooden.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 17, 2008 9:24 PM CDT reply actions  

isnt it a bit early
to be coughing up timeouts liike that boylan?

by Sambossanova on Mar 17, 2008 9:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Boylan at his best
Here's a thought, maybe Gooden is tired of doing everything 4 us.

Bring Tyrus in!

by Option27 on Mar 17, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions  

With Hinrich playing invisible
The Bulls were forced to play Hughes and Gordon in the back court. What happened to Thabo?

by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions  

quit complaining about boylan
Our team just stinks, we don't have a legit post and are made up of  quitters.

by armstrong2389 on Mar 17, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions  

A lack of a post player cost us this game?
Sweet moses.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 17, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh sure...
....because Kirk, Gordon, Luol, Tyrus, and Nocioni have ALL been known as quitters.  When they made the Final Four and won titles - and in Noc's case an Olympic Gold Medal (right?) - they were total quitters.  When they won 49 games together last season they were quitters.  

Oh, and Noah too - he's ALWAYS been stamped as a quitter.

Whatever.  I'd be a f$%(ing quitter if I had an idiot boss like Boylan too.  Except that I can find another high-paying technical project manager job no problem.  These guys have no place to go.  

Especially Ben and Luol - they're stuck with a f-ing moron head coach who is trying to ruin their career and f#$# them on their next contract.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

WOW.
Deja Vu, anyone? Seems like Philly all over again!

by Tess1881 on Mar 17, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, Gooden ruined his effort
with two dumb TO's at critical junctures.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 17, 2008 9:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Stacey, they are able to trap BG
because BG doesn't have anywhere near the handles that CP does.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply actions  

the other thing is
Noah is not nearly high enough to pick up CP, he shouldn't let him turn the corner.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

boylan
is overmatched
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Mar 17, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply actions  

OH NO!!!
I WAS SURE THAT THEY HAD THIS ONE IN THE BAG< I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS IS HAPPENING!!!!!

...oh wait, i saw this coming before tip off...craptastic!

Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 17, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

i hope...
 the bulls lose every game... thats why i watch them.. screw the playoffs..

by Dr0ne420 on Mar 17, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Credit to Stacy King
For calling out the abuse the Bulls are getting from Chris Paul. Embarassing.

by cjurmann on Mar 17, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

It's not that embarrassing
Paul might be the MVP of the league this year.  He's done this to a lot of teams all season long.  This collapse doesn't bother me as much as the Sixers collapse did.

by Big D on Mar 17, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's MVP of the league....
then there's 15-21 shooting, 35 points, 13 assists and 3 steals. Oh, and no one seems to be even attempting to guard him when he attacks the basket.

by cjurmann on Mar 17, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

man
I wish the bulls had chris paul instead of hincrap.  Are they going to be able to resign him easily?  Probably no chance he leaves.

by Sambossanova on Mar 17, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Let's take shots at Hinrich
Even though he only got to play 15 minutes in Boylan's candy lineups.

by gobulls1124 on Mar 17, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

He played little enough at the end
to be the only Bull to finish with a positive +/- at +9.

Kirk did have a horrible shooting night, but I didn't think he looked any worse than everybody else on defense.  They just did a miserable job on Paul overall.

Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 17, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

This year's team is an embarrasment
to the franchise.

So much for talking to the squad about how to preserve a lead, you fucking big-nosed ass tickler Boylan.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 17, 2008 9:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Consiperacy theory
The bulls are tanking to get a higher draft pick so they can package is with hinrich or hughes or whomever.

by Sambossanova on Mar 17, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

That would make sense
If hinrich or hughes or "whoever" were playing decent while we were tanking. Yet Right now, any of our players is much like a Ben Wallace. A guy who had/has potential, but has ultimately peaked, stopped trying, or both of those combined. In other words, no one would want our guys. The bulls will probably get rid of ben gordon in the offseason, and he might be the best trade bait we have.
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 17, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

all the teams right behind the bulls won
the bulls could get as high as 8th by the end of the season.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Boylan
I'm feeling bad for the guy.  Anybody see the bags under the dude's eyes?  He looked like Emporer Palatine from Star Wars.  A horrible coach, undoubtedly - and probably realizing it - but that dude looked on the edge.

by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

honestly
i hope he blows his brains out after taking drew and larry out, hopefully pax too

by ihatenoce on Mar 17, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hard to fault Boylan tonight
I thought he coached a decent game.  He stayed with Gooden and Noah throughout the 4th, gave Tyrus one  lengthy stint early on, gave everyone minutes...

Would've liked to see some Tyrus on Chandler with Chandler's inability to score and Paul's ability to get to the lane at will.  But you couldn't take out Gooden when he was putting up 20 and 10.

This one falls on Larry Hughes, who got Ryan Bowened in the 4th.

by YaoPau on Mar 17, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

our defense of chris paul tonight was humiliating
and it reflects poorly once again on boylan

by ihatenoce on Mar 17, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions  

that was a playoff hungry finish if i've ever..
..seen one, to bad it was by the hornets

by ihatenoce on Mar 17, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey, Bumbling Boylan, when you are facing Chris
Paul, maybe a backcourt of Gordon and Hughes isn't the best defensive match-up, eh? Eh? Huh?

Tard.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 17, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Hinrich deserves a lot of blame too
Maybe he should have just stayed home with Duhon, because he was terrible tonight.

by Big D on Mar 17, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

give hima break on that one
hinrich wasnt doing any better and he isnt the type of matchup thabo is good at.  Actually, Duhon might have done a better job.

What they needed was tyrus in the middle to block shots but they were going small and tyrus is bad guarding the perimeter.  

by Sambossanova on Mar 17, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

14 games under .500 now
I think that's the new low point of the season.  But yeah, I'm sure the turnaround will start any day now.

by Big D on Mar 17, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

How many games can the Bulls be leading in
and then lose late? It must be completely demoralizing. Not too long before we see the white flag.

by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Better Question would be
Out of how many time he shot the ball, did it actually go in?
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 17, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Small Lineup Didn't Work?
I was really thinking this was the time. It was due.

by BoxingHideout on Mar 17, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

the thing is
Stacey is right, until the bulls start knocking guys on their asses, they are going to beat like this.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Outscored by 20 in the 4th - AGAIN
When a team regularly leads after 3 quarters and then folds like a house of cards in the 4th -

THAT'S COACHING!!

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 9:35 PM CDT reply actions  

WAKE UP PAX! PLEASE WAKE UP!
Someone knows how many time will Pax take to fire Boylan) He's so bad, that he doesn't learn with his mistakes. And he makes mistakes after mistakes, game after game. On the fourth quarter is always the same thing. Why does he uses that small lineaup? It's Deng, or BG, or Hinrich that are bad... BOYLAN IS THE PROBLEM

by bull83 on Mar 17, 2008 9:36 PM CDT reply actions  

boylan
common, they arent gonna fire the coach at this point in the season.  Firing two coaches in one season would be pretty humiliating but fitting.

by Sambossanova on Mar 17, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fire Boylan
With like a dozen or so games remaining? To accomplish what exactly?
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 17, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Boylan reminds me of
Dave Wannstedt. Not sure why, he just does.

by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 9:38 PM CDT reply actions  

PREFECT!
Yeah he does have that look to him.  Just a confused man he is.

by Takeaseat on Mar 17, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's this look:
or maybe the odd resemblance to Charles Logan.  Naaaah, it's the crappiness.  I hate Boylan.
BAB Tyrus Love-Meter -- 7 - Unhealthily making excuses for missing practice

by cubbybear on Mar 17, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair....
....Dave Wannstedt made the playoffs and beat the Vikings in Minnesota - the only time that the Bears and Vikings have ever met in the playoffs.  

Wannstedt was also the top assistant on several Super Bowl champion teams.

Boylan is a career assistant on mediocre-to-shitty ballclubs, his head coaching stints have been abysmal, and he hasn't been a key part of a successful team in over 3 decades.

Jim Boylan makes Dave Wannstedt look like Mike Holmgren.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

we scored 4 points in the last 7 minutes of the
game, i can't believe chris paul embarrassed us just like he did in chicago, i wonder if boylan just sleeps through video sessions because he loses so much sleep coming up with rediculous lineups and rotations

by ihatenoce on Mar 17, 2008 9:39 PM CDT reply actions  

One more bad game for Kirk
Oh how about that TRUE point guard play

by Takeaseat on Mar 17, 2008 9:39 PM CDT reply actions  

he must of loved
those to's by gooden

by ihatenoce on Mar 17, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

did you watch the game?
Kirk didn't get enough minutes to play a bad game.  It's hard to pin this one on him.  He didn't score a point, but somehow managed to be +9.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, boylan forced a
shitty game on kirk with the rotation tonite

by ihatenoce on Mar 17, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

other than an 0-6
how was he bad?  4 boards and 5 assists to one TO in 16 minutes is actually pretty good, and he was +9, so the team was playing well.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow
Only in Chicago can we be happy with 0 points and 5 assists from our point guard. He was lucky that they only played him 16 minutes.

by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

hopefully you can do the math
and figure out how many assists and boards that would be in Hughes 38 minutes.  Especially since Hughes only had 4 assists and 2 boards for the game.  But he scored, right?
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully you can understand my point
That those numbers would have lost you the game and are not good enough.

by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

12 assists and 10 boards?
but since he didn't score, you think it's bad.  he's the point guard, not the shooting guard.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now you're just making up stats.
Kirk most likely would have got into foul trouble, even with if he was able to keep up the pace and get these mythical 12 assists while shooting 0 for 12. they took him out in the first place because he looked terribly slow trying to guard Paul.

by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

you'll see tomorrow
how many points CP scored and when.  I'd say he looked a lot better in the fourth than in the first half.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did i miss something?
When in the HELL did Kirk ever have a 0pts, 10+ast and 10+rbs? Bullshitter WHY ARE YOU MAKING STUFF UP?

by Takeaseat on Mar 17, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Getaclue
would be a lot more appropriate
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Kris
These other guys need to start thinking about why he only played 16mins vs the fact that he did. This guy is not a leader and that shows time after time.  He cant step up to the pressure of playing against elite guards... he's just too slow.

by Takeaseat on Mar 17, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pick on the 0 points all you want
but it's ridiculous to be upset with 5 assists in 16 minutes.  Paul's per 40 assist rate tonight was 12.4 - Kirk's per 40 rate was 12.5.
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 17, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stop it.
Putting Kirk in the same sentence as Chris Paul is like putting a silk hat on a pig.  Hey, let's prorate everyone's stats to show how good they could have been!  Ben Wallace had games where he had 7 boards in 24 minutes but he was not going to pull down 14 in that game.

by messwiththebull on Mar 17, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gee, forgive me for disagreeing with you
but that's the point of prorated stats - to be able to compare what people are doing in spite of playing different minutes.  Kirk can't do anything from the bench, and Boylan has shown absolutely no rhyme or reason in his rotations.  You'll notice I said to pick on the 0 points - he had a horrible shooting night.  No one was effective guarding Paul, but go ahead and pick on Kirk for that as well.  But I find it completely unreasonable to be upset with 5 assists in 16 minutes - or the 4 rebounds for that matter.  

I put Paul's assist ratio in for comparison, which is hardly the same as saying that Kirk and Chris Paul are synonymous.

Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 17, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I respect your point
and I did not intend to portray otherwise.  I just responded to you as I would to someone in a bar who uttered a sentence with Kirk Hinrich and Chris Paul in it.  The main difference between those two is that only one is an NBA point guard.
Kirk's really good at guarding two's, though, so I guess it all evens out.

by messwiththebull on Mar 17, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I apologize for taking offense where none was
intended.  It's a bit testy in here tonight!

And for the record, I have never once spoken even a paragraph, much less a sentence, in a bar which included both Kirk's and Chris Paul's names in it.

Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 17, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i meant to say he was fine
and it was shitty he only played 16 minutes

by ihatenoce on Mar 17, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

He had just enogh mins to let Chris Paul
Run off 37pts and 13ast.   is this the second game hes been burned by his opposing PG.  Face it that dude is a myth

by Takeaseat on Mar 17, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

chris paul burned every other bull
more than kirk, and boylan saw fit to sit kirk rather than say...larry gd hughes

by ihatenoce on Mar 17, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that he needs to find a place on the
bench for Larry no doubt Thabo should be playing more. He trys to put this running team on the floor but problem is Gooden, Larry and Gordan are offensive minded players.  This is one game that putting Duhon in would have been a good idea.

by Takeaseat on Mar 17, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hughes is a defensive player, has been 10 years
Hughes is your defensive player, you don't get paid 14m for 14pts per game over a career, he has always been a defensive player in the NBA, but your not going to get that out of him playing the point. Most look at points and shots, not how many points a player takes away from the other team.  What you want Hughes for is your 2nd guard and you  need a true high caliber point guard.  Yes, he can handle the ball well enough to play point, but your not going to get his game from that position,  to get a season average high steals, or lead the league at that position with steals, by far your best defender on the team.  A streak player, yes, but when said and done, you don't want him on the bench.  Plus your not going to get the slashes to the basket putting him at the point (see Cleveland, though he did get them to the finals).  Get Arenas, then you got a shot for next year, with Noah growing.  Deng (Ding) 0-4 in the 4th quarter inside the line? No points from your big man?  Your guards aren't your biggest problem, you need a few more years of maturity in the paint.  Too many broken plays are no plays being run at all.  Sorry, its too late for this many new players on any team  at this time of year, Cleveland will suffer the same, players need a couple months before they will gel and this team doesn't even no who is going to be their coach. It's coming around, next year will be much better.  This year, watch Boston get nailed in 4 or 5 games.

by Homegrown on Mar 17, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Larry gd Hughes
How's that for a nickname, LOL
"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Mar 18, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Depressing
It sucks watching your Basketball Idol playing as bad as you do. The Goal was him to play great, and me to expire to be like him, instead it seems his ability has lowered to my level. Garbage...more than anything thats whats really kicking me down. I hope its just a one season thing, but if next year he is playing the same...then i think ill officially give up on him. Steve nash, John stockton....bah....:(
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 17, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't you think expiring is a bit extreme?
It's obvious from your comments tonight that you're highly disappointed in Kirk, but I don't think you can really judge anyone on the team based on this mess of a season.  All we really know is that none of them individually are strong enough to carry the mess alone, which we really pretty much should have known to start with.  
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 17, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm
Sorry i didnt mean expire, meant aspire. Like i said its just depressing to watch your favorite player play like crap, and not have a reason for it. I guess i could run with the fact that he hates boylan, and boylan is an idiot. But that will only work until next season. So heres hoping hinrich is a beast next season.

At the moment though im too down on this team to have that kind of hope....meaning ill believe it when i see it.

Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 18, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can someone get me David Stern
Kirk Hinrich is waiting for his MVP trophy

by TRiCioNeRo on Mar 17, 2008 9:39 PM CDT reply actions  

I want Paxson to publicly
apologize to the fans.

I don't want to hear another mealey-mouthed speech about effort and injuries and the difficult exigencies of the NBA.

I want groveling.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 17, 2008 9:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't worry
I'm sure Boylan will make some big speech tonight about "embarrassing" the city of Chicago.  Of course, he won't include himself in that, but it will fool dumb fans into thinking he's showing accountability.

by Big D on Mar 17, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

PLAYOFFS??!!
Jim Mora said it best, let's just hope that they can win a game the rest of this season!

by Tess1881 on Mar 17, 2008 9:42 PM CDT reply actions  

why
at this point, I want them to lose all the rest.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's not....
...and say we did.

It's Derrick Rose or bust, wins be damned.  I'll be pissed if they DO win a game, because it'll just be a mistake.  If they win a game it's because Boylan didn't seize the opportunity to totally F it up.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

As miserable as the team looks
(and we all sound, for that matter), who even wants to make the playoffs at this point?  It's to the point that I'm just ready for the season to be over - send the guys home to lick their wounds and get their heads on straight, then let's just come back next year (not with this exact team, nor coach, mind you) and start over fresh.  I'm too demoralized to even want to hope to make the playoffs and not get swept.
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 17, 2008 9:42 PM CDT reply actions  

How out of touch is Norm Van Lier?
He's going on and on about knocking down Chris Paul - you can't do that anymore in today's game!  Players get suspended for plays that wouldn't have even been called flagrants in Norm's day.

by Big D on Mar 17, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Norm's not out of touch...
...he's exactly right. No one on the Bulls could stop him, he ran circles around them, got anywhere he wanted... The Bulls needed to trap him more and just get the ball out of his hands. And if/when that failed, they should have fouled him hard when he got in the lane. Norm didn't say take off his head, or kick him when he was down- just foul him hard enough to make him think twice about going into the lane next time. And foul him hard enough to prevent the bucket on the and-1. So IMO he's exactly right.  

by smash on Mar 18, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

pax should Billy Donavan these guys
they dont deserve the Berto Center
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Mar 17, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I Feel Like Crying.
But that would mean that I actually care about this current Bulls team, which I don't. Well, not any more , at least.

by Tess1881 on Mar 17, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Is anyone listening to this moron?
 
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 17, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Someone should
Take this game thread, and the game thread from the first bulls game this season and send it to paxson. Show him how a bunch of diehard bulls fans, who seemed to always find the light in the darkness, the silver lining in the clouds, fell into a bunch of bored moping depressed bunch of sad fools. Man...horrid.
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 17, 2008 9:46 PM CDT reply actions  

he probably already reads this
and just does the opposite of what we want cause he is such an asshole

by ihatenoce on Mar 17, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Norm Van Lier....
...says the players lack heart.  Whatever.

Norm never had to play for a complete fucking moron head coach.

It has a way of being very...um....disheartening.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply actions  

I fucking don't care how many games remain
For me it could remain only one... I just can see anymore a guy like Boylan, that can't make one thing right, coaching the bulls... If the goal is try to win a good position on the draft, they have to tell the fans... We deserve that, not this miserable losses...
I just want to see Boylan out of there...

by bull83 on Mar 17, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply actions  

The Bulls are a fucking joke
This fucking team doesn't give a fuck if they make the playoffs or not. Like Norm Van Leer says, this team has no fucking heart. All the fucking talent in world and they can't finish games. When CP3 tied the game with the 3, the Bulls fell apart. Once Tyson slammed home that lob, I knew the game was over. I have pretty much gave up on this team. It's not the fact they are losing, it's the fact they don't fucking care. They should be fucking booed tommorow when they go on the court and the fans should just read a newspaper when the 4th quarter starts. The Bulls feel they only have to play for 3 quarters, so why the fuck should the fans be interested for the entire game. This team is a joke. They have playoff caliber talent but like Kendall Gill said this team has a bunch of fucking mental midgets. Sorry for the rant but this team is pissing me off. This team doesn't care about their fans or making the playoffs. They just show up just to collect their paychecks. They don't play like a team. They care more about themselves than they do about the entire team. Sloppy passes and too many bad shots. They have no heart. I'm embarrassed to admit I still watch their games. To say they are pieces of shit is an insult to shit.

by traderumor on Mar 17, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

GOD I HATE OUR TEAM!
BOYLAN IS THE WORST COACH I'VE EVER SEEN IN THE NBA!

HUGHES WAS ON A "HUGHES" NIGHT, WHERE HE FORGOT THAT PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL IS A TEAM SPORT....

WHY DIDN'T BOYLAN CHANGE THINGS UP EARLIER IN THE 4TH AND PLAY MORE SEFALOSHA AND HINRICH?

I don't care if Kirk sucked early on, something's not right there, Kirk and Boylan hate each other, and I think it's painfully obvious to all of us fans that Boylan can't coach.....

Hinrich ain't as bad as he's showing, and he definately deserves more than 10-15 minutes per game to show his skills.  I think the past 4 years have proven that.

I am so fed up with this team, I might be done watching them until next season.

Noah looked like a rookie tonight.  I know he is a rookie, but he did not have a good game.

Deng again blended into the shadows far too much.

If Gordon wasn't on our team we would have lost by 45 points.

It's just so freaking frustrating.  Cut the cord Pax, get Boylan out while you still have a few fans who at least want to see the team progress into the future.....

by majoyenrac on Mar 17, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Chaos always rules when the bobble-headed bubble
rain revs up his 4th quarter master plan. In the final 7 minutes where coaching decisions really make a difference, the Bulls were outscored 24-4.
It's all Kirk's fault...wait! he only played 97 seconds during that stretch right after Noah was taken out..the lead went from 93-92 to a 96-98 deficit..(I know..insurmountable during Boylan's reign). During this mini-stint, he assisted the Bull's only basket!  and yes he was +9 for the game

The next best? or least worse (+/-) was the forgotten man, Thomas who was -2, but don't blame him...he never plays during crunch time...Boylan would not want to put any defensive shot blockers to pressure their layup drills or possibly grab a rebound or 2.

Our guards did a great job...the stats speak for themselves  Hughes (-10) in the final 7 minutes, he was 0-2, comitted 3 fouls and had a turnover.

Ben again demonstrated why he will never be a great defender (-23).  But give him credit for making 3 of our final 4 points while  missing one free throw and had a turnover...low for him.
It wasn't only CP that put the dagger in...Pargo was (+16) while Bonzi Wells was an amazing (+23).
Let's blame Nocioni...but we can't he didn't play at all during that collapse..Duhon never made the trip, so he's off the list.
Gooden came thru big time 0-2,and a foul. An exhausted Deng,right on cue, performed his 4th quarter magic disappearing act.  Boylan USE your fucking head and your bench. Some players do get tired after playing 43 minutes, especially if they are coming off injuries..pathetic nitwit.

Mix your magic potion into the pot, stir quickly and once again we have Boylan's recipe for disaster..bitter taste and guaranteed to destroy any NBA franchise who sips its brew.

by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 18, 2008 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

And furthrmore, I forgot Boylan's explanation
which sums up the totality of his thinking processes.
'that's 2 games in row we controlled the game for 3 quarters  AND THEN....SOMEHOW (duh!) SOMETHING ALWAYS HAPPENS (double duh!) and we again get outscored by 20 points in the 4th quarter.  Is it any wonder why the Bulls are so successful with their late game adjustments?

Only a man of great intellect could offer such insights and profound thoughts with such clarity and substance.....Forrest Gump where are you when we need you!

by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 18, 2008 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Buck the Fulls - Buck Foylan
No heart - like Norm said.
When is the last time Kirk AND Noc didn't score?

All those ex-Bulls on winning teams...
Tyson Chandler is laughing his ass off....

Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Mar 17, 2008 9:49 PM CDT reply actions  

That might be the biggest story
coming out of this game, Boylan somehow managed to put out the fire that is Noc.  Did you see him collect his second foul so he could go sit down.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought it was because
Noc's hair doo of late is making him look like a 70's porn star...    LOL
Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Mar 17, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

and the bench video shots are classic
Kirk sitting there slumped over and looking miserable, and Noc is sitting there chewing his fingernails down to nubs...
Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Mar 17, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I find that really depressing.
Boylan broke Noc.

No matter what you think about Noc and his style of play and his contract and his place on the team, he has always been pretty consistently Noc - right up until now.  Maybe it's just this game, but he looked miserable tonight.

Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 17, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

You asked for it...
Thought I'd make a shirt to commemorate your comment...

by Lt.Dan on Mar 18, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice!
Although you should make one in response to the Wizard T-shirts modeled after the Beatles:

http://32049.spreadshirt.com/us/US/Shop/Article/Index/article/1855797

Only the Bulls' version should say:
Andres &
Luol &
Boylan Sucks &
Boylan Sucks &
Boylan Sucks

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Mar 18, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tyrus, no excuses you have the rest of season to
prove you are not a bust. He was given the starting job at the beginning of the season and lost it. Instead of working his ass off and playing with a chip on his shoulder like at LSU he packed it in and quit on himself and the team. If Noah isn't enough motivation for you to start playing better then I don't think anything could be. Noah is probably in his face in practice telling him to get better.

by armstrong2389 on Mar 17, 2008 9:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Is he supposed to prove it from the bench?
Perhaps he is writing a formal proof underneath his towel.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 17, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tyrus' minutes
are actually down since the trade.  Remember that game on the road in Golden State when Tyrus went nuts in the 4th and carried the team to a win?  He played 11 minutes the next game and 8 minutes the game after.  He must have really had a poor practice.

The one thing that this season has shown is that both Gordon and Deng aren't even worth the $10m/yr starting offer they were presented with last year.  Deng should along the lines of Josh Childress or Danny Granger (certainly not Josh Howard money), because it's arguable if he's a better player and if he has a higher ceiling.  Gordon should get a deal along the lines of Monta Ellis and Leandro Barbosa for the same reason.  We prematurely pegged these guys as perennial all-stars when it's questionable if these guys will ever make an all-star team.  

by messwiththebull on Mar 17, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're absolutely right...
...in Bizarro world.

Tyrus was benched after putting up good numbers as a starter, for Gooden - who hadn't yet earned the right to start for the Bulls.  Doesn't he have to earn it, or is that only for younger players??

And now Boylan is yanking his chain, not giving him consistent minutes night in and night out, not playing him for long stretches after good games, etc.

You think Noah is in Ty's face?  What makes you think he's not in Boylan's face?

Boylan is a fucking moron, and Tyrus is paying the price.  Tyrus doesn't have a chance with a fucking moron for a head coach.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

whatever
TT isn't going anywhere.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

you're likely right
although Sam disagrees.

Even if the Bulls realize they can't trade him now because they've (with some help from Tyrus himself) destroyed his trade value, it sure would've been nice that the played him enough to have the option of dealing him in a package for an upgrade.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sam's been
wrong once or twice. I don't think TT is going anywhere.

by sue369 on Mar 18, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is only ONE good that came from Boylan
That is the life in Thabo. So thank you Boylan for putting the Swiss back on track...he truly looks like a good player and will be a good backcourt mate to a solid guard.
Kirk Hinrich. The FORMER Best White American Point Guard in the NBA, Will Soon be Traded :(

by piccolomair on Mar 17, 2008 9:53 PM CDT reply actions  

One thing is for certain
This Bulls sesaon is officially over. Oh well, time for baseball!! GO SOX!!!!

by Tess1881 on Mar 17, 2008 9:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Trade the whole team
fire the coach, fire Pax.
Bring in a whole new team and staff.
Get rid of ALL the cancer.

Start over.

Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Mar 17, 2008 9:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Think we will lose out this season?
Who are the draft prospects for this team now? Mayo, Billy Walker, Collison, Westbrook, Blake Griffin?

by armstrong2389 on Mar 17, 2008 9:59 PM CDT reply actions  

they probably won't get higher than eighth
but this isn't a sure thing draft, so they might be able to trade up.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blake Griffin? Hell no
The last thing we need is another young big

Pax needs to do whatever he can to trade up for Rose, but let's be serious...that's not happening.

by Illini15 on Mar 17, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Bulls have more than enought to offer....
...in order to move up:  their lottery pick, Kirk, Hughes, Gooden, sign & trade Gordon or Luol, whatever.

But if you mean that Paxson doesn't have the balls to take a risk and move up - you're probably right.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who would give up a top 3 pick
for the players you named unless the Bulls themselves had a top three pick to throw in?  No one, especially if it comes along with the privilege of overpaying two of those guys with new deals.

by messwiththebull on Mar 17, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

In general I agree....
....but the Trailblazers traded INTO the draft to get Brandon Roy, right?  There's a Kevin McHale born every day.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah,
they gave up the seventh pick to get Roy who was taken with the 6th.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

But didn't they....
....trade into the #7 pick?  That wasn't theirs to begin with.

They earned the #4 for the whole Aldridge/Thomas thing.  

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

probably
like the bulls did into the 2 spot.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 18, 2008 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here's something to brighten everyone up
Ben Wallace had 2 points and 4 rebounds tonight in 22 minutes, and the Cavs got blown out by the Magic.

by Big D on Mar 17, 2008 10:03 PM CDT reply actions  

At least we have each other
"to the children: Fuck the Bulls." - Matt

by NittanyBull on Mar 17, 2008 10:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Pax will make a big move
I think pax could move up. He's under the gun and knows he has to put a good product on the floor since they raised tickets significantly this year.

by armstrong2389 on Mar 17, 2008 10:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Big Move?
Like he has every of the past couple of seasons?  Paxson has lost all credibility in my eyes.  Jim Boylan is the biggest joke in the league, I'd rather have Pippen coaching.  

I think Paxson should lose his job just based on the Boylan as interim head coach experiment.  He did have a choice he could of brought someone else in who was going to play "the kids", but he hired Jim Boylan "Professional Coach"

by Wade.Jones on Mar 17, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry but after that Philly game i just
dont care anymore. Boylan refuses to play Thabo and Tyrus. From here on out I just want to see BG, Thabo, Noah, Tyrus and Deng playing extended mins.  But Boylan isnt gonna let that happen so I just so i just do care anymore. They'll put themselves in the lottery... this team needs to tough guys anyway they are too soft.

by Takeaseat on Mar 17, 2008 10:06 PM CDT reply actions  

if you don't care
what are the chances you stop posting?
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rose could turn this whole thing around
Look at what CP has done. He's made less-than-stellar players into all-stars in no time

by Illini15 on Mar 17, 2008 10:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Unfortunately
We're not terrible enough to likely land him.

by BoxingHideout on Mar 17, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

and
that's why we should start hoping to lose every game at this point

by Illini15 on Mar 17, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh
At least we're the best at losing in the fourth quarter.  13-33?  I'm so glad I didn't watch this one.  I might have killed a small animal.
BAB Tyrus Love-Meter -- 7 - Unhealthily making excuses for missing practice

by cubbybear on Mar 17, 2008 10:15 PM CDT reply actions  

The Bulls have no heart/no interest
They don't care if they win or lose and that pisses me off. I can support teams that lose but play their asses off. I can't support teams that are very talented but have no interest in winning. People are right....the Bulls don't deserve to make the playoffs no matter how talented they are. Great talent but they are fucked up in the head.

by traderumor on Mar 17, 2008 10:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Boylan was praising noc, recently now benching him
Where was Noc tonight? The guy is certainly good enough to play 20 minutes on this team.

by armstrong2389 on Mar 17, 2008 10:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey everyone take a look at the
BULLSHITTER idea? He came up with prorating Bulls stats. So if Kirk plays only 16mins with stats suchas 0pts, 5ast and 4rbs he actually gets credit for 10ast and 10rbs. So it's kinda like handicapping get it?  This is pretty good ima send it to the league and see what they think.

by Takeaseat on Mar 17, 2008 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Why don't you at least represent the comment
accurately.  He was commenting on Kirk's production relative to time played.  That's how per minute stats work, and pretty much every stats site has them posted that way as well as per game.
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 17, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

U wanna know why?
Because i don't play fantasy basketball or fantasy anything for that matter. Its like saying, 'hey i won 4 out of 10 black jack games, i should play on' when we all know over the next 10 games if you just so happen to go 8 of 20 that makes you even a bigger loser! So, therefore I wont even entertain that thought process. Its just silliness. In this game you need to be either a baller or scrub pick one! Kirk is the worst kind of player, he's in between, simple see. ;) Like middle of the road basketball team (LA Clippers) no shot at winning but they show up so i guess we should give them credit.

I don't need to think about it or create silly little what if scenarios, the proof is in the pudding and the fact is the guy has been in the league for like five years and still plays like he's in college. He needs to learn to adapt to the play of the league and stop sinking my Bulls with his huge contract and his soft game.

by Takeaseat on Mar 18, 2008 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

The following is not a compliment
"In this game you need to be either a baller or scrub pick one! Kirk is the worst kind of player, he's in between, simple see."

You sound like Zapp Brannigan opining with respect to the intractable enemy of neutrality.

I hope your commentary was intended as pastiche:

"What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality? [...] I hate these filthy neutrals, Kif! With enemies, you know where they stand, but with neutrals--who knows. It sickens me."

by jpx7 on Mar 18, 2008 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

ONE QUESTION
Are you high sir :-?

by Takeaseat on Mar 18, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK, as an fyi
Per minute stats have nothing to do with fantasy basketball - fantasy just adds up game totals for your guys.

Per minute stats are used to standardize a player's stats for a given night so that the variable of minutes played no longer distorts things.  It's one of several very common statistical tools used in regular, every day basketball evaluation.

If you don't like stats, as it seems you don't, fine - but when you try to make fun of something you don't understand it can come across as pretty idiotic.

Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Mar 18, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's hard to
reason with mental midgets.

by sue369 on Mar 18, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, that was easier to take
since, as I said, I never got over the Sixers game.

I hope Gordon shoots his way to $60m, then burns a big pile of cash on the CSN postgame desk in celebration.

I've been showcased: now I'm certain Hughes blows :). The best was him getting the ball stolen by Paul, and instead of getting back he makes a half-hearted attempt at a steal midcourt and just lets him go right by. Gooden also had some nice ole' moments.

I cannot believe that the Bulls season has been wasted, and we know so little about Thomas. It's a freaking travesty. All we learned was that he's been working on his jumpshot. Anti-showcased!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 17, 2008 10:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not starting a new thread
so some venting observations...

Boylan didn't do anything as completely incompetent as benching Noah and Thomas for the whole 4th...but keeping Hughes out there while he was getting carved up is close.

Nocioni's devolved into a joke. 4 more years!

I previously scoffed at the 'Deng dissapears in 4th quarters' crowd last time around...but he did so again. However I'm pretty sure having Larry Hughes dominate the ball didn't help.

Aaron Gray wasn't bad tonight. He was actually somewhat mobile on offense.

Tyler Hansborough has a nice shot of being the next Ryan Bowen.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 17, 2008 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why do you hate Noc so much?
How is he a joke? Because he committed one stupid foul last night then didn't get back in the game? Sure he has off nights, but he's the only Bull that consistently plays hard. He's a terrific asset to have coming off the bench, and unlike the other head-cases on the team, he doesn't let not-starting affect him mentally. He's not an all-star, but he's not trying to be- he's the 7 or 8th player in the rotation, and one of the few bright spots this season IMO. Noah and Noce seem to be the only 2 players who really care about winning...

by smash on Mar 18, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

cause he pouts
then fouls.

How is that performing well mentally?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

He pouts, this is true. But he also...
consistently comes in off the bench and knocks down shots, takes charges, plays way bigger than he is, and doesn't hide from contact- in fact he seeks it out. He's one of the only Bulls slashes, takes it to the hole and finishes. You won't hear about him being late to practice, arguing with a coach, or not playing through pain. He did commit a stupid foul last night out of frustration but I don't see him do that often and I've (unfortunately) seen every damn game this year. My one complaint about him is that he does gripe alot about fouls... But man, if I only had ONE complaint about each player on the Bulls we'd be in a happy place right now.

The biggest reason I defend Noc is because I still remember the great championship teams of the 90's and I believe he's one of the few players on the current roster who would have made the cut. He would have known his role, accepted it and excelled at it. (Sure he also would have come to blows with MJ at practice, but that's an entirely different topic...:)

by smash on Mar 18, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Deng disapearance
Gameflow

Deng 0-4 with 1 point in the 4th.

Although it should be noted that he once again played a lot o' minutes.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

you forgot the best Hughes moment of the night
didn't he get rim-whipped in the first half?  Truly Wallace-esque.  Or was I just dreaming that.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 18, 2008 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

nah, it happened
Gooden made a fancy-pants pass to set it up too.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

And then of course
two turnovers in a row in the midst of the Hornets' ridiculous run to close the game.
"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Mar 18, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

If BG gets
$60 mil. I hope it's with another team that is stupid enough to play a one dimensional player that much.

by sue369 on Mar 18, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hear, hear!
That's really all I have to say about that...

by Bass on Mar 18, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

No more Bulls watching for me until 2008-09
Radio: damaged
Wall: dented
Bulls: Not worth getting mad over

They don't care about the fans so I won't care about them. When you have a real team, maybe I will come back. Doesn't mean I'm a fairweather fan....I just can't support a team that doesn't care about winning.

by traderumor on Mar 17, 2008 11:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd love to follow
your lead (or not watch them as I said above)....but it's hard, the NBA is the only sport I really follow and I've been so freaking excited about this Bulls team of the last few years (and heading into this year).

I will probably catch a game here or there but I'm not going to surf around for them....

I'll still be on these blogs though.

God I am so Pissed off at these guys....I'm also pissed that the damned illinoislottery won't show the St. Paddy's Day winners yet.  I was hoping for that damned million dollar ticket that didn't happen, but I want to know the other winners....

Sorry that was off topic.

by majoyenrac on Mar 17, 2008 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sigh
I'm getting so fucking tired of people saying this. Just leave, no announcements are needed.
"to the children: Fuck the Bulls." - Matt

by NittanyBull on Mar 18, 2008 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah
I know my illinois lottery talk was rather irritating....

by majoyenrac on Mar 18, 2008 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bulls are only 3 games out....
...of the #7 spot in the Lottery with 16 to play.

If Boylan continues to screw the pooch, the Bulls could be in a very good position.

Last year Portland was #6 and Seattle #5, and they ended up first and second in the draft.

In 2006 it was Toronto in the #5 spot who won the Lottery.

In 2005 it was Milwaukee in the #6 spot who won the Lottery.

And the Bulls don't even necessarily have to win it to get Derrick Rose - they just need a pick in the top 3!

As long as Boylan doesn't screw up the fact that he's a complete f-ing moron, and he continues to lose games that are completely winnable, the Bulls could erase all the pain of this season with a few lucky bounces.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 11:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Wouldnt it be great
if we get a lottery pick AND get into the payoffs. With the bottom of the east the way t is it might be possible. At this point we gain more ground not playing.

by eross226 on Mar 18, 2008 12:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Is this a joke?
You can't be in the lottery and the playoffs from the same year. If you're not in the playoffs, you're in the lottery, and vice versa.

It's actually kind of messed up if you think about it, because West teams of this year with 50-some wins are going to make the lottery, while East teams who make the playoffs with 30-some wins aren't going to get into the lottery. And people wonder why the East sucks so bad.

I hope this isn't the first time you've heard of this.

"to the children: Fuck the Bulls." - Matt

by NittanyBull on Mar 18, 2008 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn positive feedback
Stern needs some control theory.
BAB Tyrus Love-Meter -- 7 - Unhealthily making excuses for missing practice

by cubbybear on Mar 18, 2008 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with the lineup comments
It wasnt surprising at all at the end when paul out ran everyone to the paint to score like 5 times in a row. His stupid lineups are a joke, to have hughes in the end i think is a big mistake he took so many contested jump shots in the 4th. if he drives in more and draws the foul i would be alrite with. and i only saw the 4th, did something happened to nocioni, kirk, and thabo? were they all injured? how can noch get 5 minutes in a game? they should have krik and thabo playing together more, it helps both of them out.

by Yibs on Mar 18, 2008 8:27 AM CDT reply actions  

What an astounding debacle
I can't watch anymore games.  These defeats are too much to take.  They are games we are winning.  They are games we should win.  They are games we are blowing in the 4th quarter due to the same exact lineups that are evident in every blown game.

The biggest problem is of course playing Drew Gooden the entire 3rd quarter.  Oh, he can give you 20-10?  Awesome, but do you have to run his energy into the ground before the game is even over?  Rest him.  Insert Tyrus Thomas.  WHAT THE FUCK?

I have to stop now.  Every other word coming into my mind is a four letter word best applied to Jim Boylan, but you guys have already painted the picture we know of him in this thread.

For the rest of the season I'll just be checking gameflow to see how many minutes Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden play and for how many consecutive minutes they do play.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 18, 2008 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

I didn't get to turn the game on
until the 4th quarter, and when I did, the Bulls were up by 9.  My first thought was, "Fuck, they might win this stupid meaningless game that will take them nowhere except further away from a good draft pick."  

So, at this point, for me, I know this season's over.  In my heart I'm actually pulling for them to lose.  I think Philadelphia was the breaking point.

This doesn't mean that the games are completely without interest.  I want to see Thabo, Tyrus and Noah get minutes.  I want to see Tyrus start to find some kind of offensive comfort zone.  That's about it.  

by alec on Mar 18, 2008 9:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Joakim Noah
Is he the only lock to be back here next season?

by armstrong2389 on Mar 18, 2008 9:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Pathetic!
I now feel bad for Gooden.  You can see his face on the bench, probably thinking, How the hell did I end up with these losers?  At least, in Cleveland, I could play second fiddle.  Now, the fiddle players around me are so confused because the conductor is tone deaf.  
I just don't understand Boylan's coaching...It seems like he thinks a time-out is supposed to do the coaching for him.  When things go south, he calls time-out and stands around and pouts, when he should be searching for the damn rabbit in the hat.  When the rookies make mistakes, he punishes them with bench time instead of helping them correct the problem through real coaching and allowing them the opportunity to learn through repitition or playing time.  He is no different than Skiles, and Paxson is ultimately responsible.  Pax should ready himself for the unemployment line.  We should expect that don't you all think? That is really the only solution when someone fails so miserably at running a multimillion dollar business.... Think real world.

by BiNgO on Mar 18, 2008 9:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Gooden as coach
Refuse to enter the game.  He tries to take himself out when he's tired.  Why not the reverse?

He was clearly fatigued last night after playing the whole 3rd quarter.  Rest him, though I would take a benching.

Of course, I've been calling for a hard foul or two all season long to fire up this team.  Put Chris Paul on the line every time he enters the paint.  Put him on his ass, and make himself get to the line.  See how many times he tries to enter the paint after that.

Word to the Pistons.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 18, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

This call for "hard fouls" makes me sick
Every time a professional athlete steps a foot in a stadium/arena, they are playing with fate to not get a serious injury that could ruin the rest of their careers or even lives.  When you propagate this notion of "hard fouls," you only increase the likeliehood of a serious injury occurring.  Think about it, a guy driving the lane is greatly exposed from many angles.  Someone takes the wrong angle trying to be overzealous with a foul so they can make a statement, and the driving player is out for a year or worse.  For fucks sake, go back and watch The Karate Kid.  Even Johnny learned the important lesson that delivering cheap shots isn't the right way to play.  Remember that these are human beings on the court.  If anything, read the book The Pitch That Killed.  Learn about how a player trying to get that slight competitive advantage became a killer.    

by snley on Mar 18, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

doesn't seem to stop anybody
from knocking BG down, does it...
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 18, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

and don't be such a pussy
nobody is talking about hurting anybody.  They are talking about going up and contesting layups and getting in front of guys so they can't waltz in to the basket.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 18, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

This isn't about contesting shots
This is about "hard fouls" that several here have called for today.  This is about "delivering messages" with over physicality.  Contesting shots is what a good defender should do.  Knocking someone so hard to the floor that he doesn't want to go back in the lane again is thuggery.  I quit watching the NBA for awhile because the disgusting habits of the Bad Boy Pistons and Riley's Knicks had become commonplace.  There's a place for physical play in the game.  There should be no place for cheap shots being expected because a player dared to beat their defender.  Basketball should be a game of skill, grace, and athleticism.  Like all sports, it should also be about clean competition and let the best man/team win.

by snley on Mar 18, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's still a difference
between putting someone on their ass and intentionally trying to hurt someone.  You may not understand that, but there is.  Fouling is a part of the game, a tool for both sides and it should be used intelligently by both sides.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 18, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, but looking at your choice of words
you're doing the manhood-NormVanLier bit. Which I find silly.

There's no value in sending messages. The Bulls were doing the bare minimum in even contesting the shots, it had nothing to do with how hard they could potentially foul. I think Paul can take it.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right about this....
...it makes NO SENSE whatsoever to foul hard and send a message when they're not playing defense in the first place!

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

no value in sending messages?
you don't believe that do you?  But I'd agree that if any of the current bulls put somebody on their butt it would probably be an accident, and not a message.  So if you mean that bulls don't have anybody to send the message I agree.  I'd settle for somebody to consistently contest layups.  Noah looked like a rookie last night.  And if someone could teach the bull's guards how to foul on a fast break without letting the guy get the bucket, that'd be great too.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 18, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The message should be....
...you're not getting an easy basket, EVER.

The message the Bulls would send is - you'll get knocked down for no reason, because everyone can see we don't give a sh!t any longer.

I agree with your perspective, but these Bulls have no identity and no hope, which means any 'message' at this point would be pointless.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's basically what I'm saying
the message would be 'remember the Bulls? we used to be a top-5 defensive team'

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly
just knocking the guy down isn't the point, it's to be there every time waiting that's important.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Mar 18, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Figure skating and synchronized swimming...
...are about "skill, grace, and athleticism."  Basketball is a game of scoring the most points.  Period.  MJ never got ANY points for being more graceful, skillful, and athletic than his competition, unless you're talking about the slam-dunk contest.

As has already been pointed out, fouls are a part of the game, a tool to be used to try to score more points.

Just as teams begin to foul when they're down by more than 6-8 points in the last few minutes, just as Ben Wallace and Shaq are fouled often in the lane rather than being allowed to slam-dunk - it's perfectly appropriate to foul ANYONE in the lane rather than letting them have a layup.  

It's the same as a CB tackling a WR in football when they're beat and getting a pass interference penalty rather than letting up a sure TD.  The WR could easily be injured on that play, just like every other play.

Oh ~ and don't you think that one reason these guys get contracts worth tens of millions of dollars is maybe, just maybe, the constant threat of injury?

If you enjoy basketball as a non-contact sport - the NCAA Women's Tourney is starting soon!!  Enjoy!!

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

How did MJ get his points then?
Skill, grace, and athleticism are exactly the types of attributes that the best basketball players have.  While scoring the most points is the goal, it's those types of attributes that get you there.  Your attempts to minimize my argument by lumping me with traditionally female spectator sports and women's basketball are logical fallacies at best and misogynistic at worst.

I think you're missing the point of the discussion here.  I was only writing about hard fouls, not fouls that come through the course of action.  It's one thing to foul a player when attempting to prevent them from scoring.  It's another thing to try to "send a message" when making that foul by physically accosting a player.  I'm talking about the types of fouls that result in a player being thrown to the floor.  

by snley on Mar 18, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what's the point of a hard foul?
My understanding of what people want from a hard foul is:  deliver a level of physical pain that subconsciously deters player from attempting the same play again.  Whether it results in a flagrant foul or not matters little to me.  If that is the desired result of the foul, it is a cheap play.

by snley on Mar 18, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your understanding is incorrect.
And that's not our fault - it's YOUR misunderstanding.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's spell it out
Physical intimidation does not necessitate physical pain.

When it crossed that line, it's a flagrant foul at best, and an assault at worst.

I wouldn't step into the batter's box against Nolan Ryan, because I'd be physically intimidated - even if I'd never batted against him again.

I can't believe this concept even needs explanation.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I appreciate that you prefer
a certain quality of game...and you can see that type of game played once a year during all-star weekend--high-scoring, acrobatic, graceful, even balletic.  

However, it is not championship season play--not in any sport.  I'm trying to think of a single NBA champion that exclusively played the ball, rather than the man; that didn't treat its own paint as its personal real estate, and opponents who dared enter like intruders.  It just doesn't happen.  

You may want it to be different, but my guess is that if a team played the way you describe, that team would likely not win a single game all season.  Not one.  

by alec on Mar 18, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're overstating my position
I am very happy with the way most teams play in today's NBA.  My issues go back to the days of the Bad Boys Pistons and Riley's Knicks.  These teams didn't just foul to prevent baskets.  They fouled with extra force as a tactic to attempt to harm a player to the extent he'd be afraid of entering the lane again.  There were some here who seemed to be advocating that style of play.  I can't think of any teams that play like this anymore.  Most defensive oriented teams now rely on long, athletic defenders.  Most teams, even in a slow pace, keep the game flowing.  Even the Jazz, who foul like crazy, don't seem to get to this point.  Graceful basketball is already here, and more than just for the All Star game.

by snley on Mar 18, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

EXACTLY!!
We're accused of 'logical fallacies', when this Boylan-brain is assuming that a foul that prevents a player from scoring is a flagrant foul.

Everyone knows the difference.  Or at least (everyone - 1) knows the difference.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you REALLY an idiot....
...or do you just play one on this blog??

"It's one thing to foul a player when attempting to prevent them from scoring.  It's another thing to try to "send a message" when making that foul by physically accosting a player."

YOU SEND A MESSAGE WHEN YOU FOUL A PLAYER TO PREVENT THEM FROM SCORING.  THE MESSAGE IS:  YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AN EASY BASKET ON US, EVER.

Sorry about the caps, but you don't seem to be able to understand with regular typing.

You're make the logical leap that a foul to prevent a player from scoring is necessarily a physical assault.  That is - to quote you - a logical fallacy.

Thanks for playing!

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously?
You pull a quote from my post in which I was trying to get across the point that fouling while attempting to prevent scoring is different from the notion of delivering a hard foul solely to deliver a message along the lines of "come into my lane and we will hurt you."  Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough for you.  I have no problems with physical play.  I have issues with players and coaches who think it's ok to try to hurt an opponent.  I'll try another example from baseball, as I think it might get you closer to what I'm trying to say.  It's one thing to pitch inside to a guy who's crowding the plate.  It's another thing to deliberately throw at the batter because he was presumptive enough to hit a home run the last time up.  Those are the types of actions that I despise.  

by snley on Mar 18, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude....
....that was YOUR misunderstanding.

As I stated above - Physical intimidation does not necessitate physical pain!!

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, so simmer down, because that's all I was
stating, is that I don't believe the intentional delivery of physical pain is necessary or warranted in any sport.  Other than boxing, of course, but that's a completely different subject I don't care to discuss with you.

by snley on Mar 18, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

By the way, it's you that is prejudiced
Your assumption that only women watch figure skating and women's basketball is prejudiced, offensive, and - let's see - oh, misogynistic!

I named non-contact sports.  You assumed that I was naming female spectator sports.

Boylan-brain.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice try! You even told me to watch women's
basketball.  If you believe that basketball is a contact sport, then why should women's basketball be any different. Seriously, what was the point of bringing up figure skating and synchronized swimming other than to say that I'm not man enough to watch men's sports.  Could have easily told me to watch tennis and golf.

by snley on Mar 18, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you enjoy basketball
then watch the women's NCAA tourney.  I'll try and you give you the benefit of the doubt that calling a women's basketball a non-contact sport was simply a product of ignorance on your part, rather than idiocy.  

by Scotter on Mar 18, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

a "hard foul" is not the same
as "hey goon, go injure that guy".

I'm talking about a "hard foul" as a response to getting beat play after play that is run the same exact way, with different offensive personnel, and different defensive personnel(obviously subs for the previously ineffective players) and watching the exact same productive results for the other team.

The "hard foul" is not about trying to injure a player.  It's about communicating a permanent message that if you come in this same area again trying the same stuff you will get the exact same result, getting up off the floor, dusting yourself off, and trying to get your points at the free throw line.

It is an admission of defeat because you know the opponent is better if they keep running the same play over and over and make it work.  But you're really telling them you want this game slow and you want them to get off the floor every possession and hope they make their free throws.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 18, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

and then they get off the floor
and make the foul shots. Message sent, Norm's happy.

The Bulls should be challenging shots not to send a message, but because that's how you keep from the opponent from scoring. They were so disinterested that Paul was going full-court right to the rim. A hard foul wouldn't change that, try and get a hand up first.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know what a hard foul is. Is it right?
Obviously, I don't think so.  While in many cases, delivering a hard foul is a mistaken attempt to "send a message" rather than an attempt at injuring a player.  I have no proof of this, but to me it's intuitive that when you send guys to deliver a message, that message may come out stronger than anticipated.  It's a sick ploy and I have serious doubts as to how effective it is.  It's resorting to being a bully instead of actually trying to win a game of skill.  Put some thought into what you're talking about here.  You are condoning violence.  After all, even if it's just bruises, the "message" being delivered is a physical one.  By laying a player out on the floor, you are expecting them to feel some pain in order for the "message" to be effectively delivered.  It's shit.  It's bad sportsmanship.  It's the last resort of those who cannot think their way out of a problem.

by snley on Mar 18, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your reply....
...was the last resort of someone who can't think their way out of a problem.

You're arguing about how many angels fit on the head of a pin.

Basketball is a contact sport, and fouls are part of the game.

Pitchers pitch inside and sometimes hit the batter.  CBs tackle WRs when they're beat and get flagged for pass interference rather than giving up a TD.  And basketball players foul guys in the lane to avoid giving up layups all the time.

Claiming that playing this type of game makes one dirty means that you haven't truly been paying attention for, oh, as long as you've been watching sports.

There is a difference.  If you don't like it, watch figure skating.

by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except, the No Balls Assoc.
Would be doling out 2-game suspensions to protect one of its SuperStar(tm) players.

by torch on Mar 18, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Translation: They Suck
How many times did the dynasty Bulls let teams hang around until the 4th quarter, then tighten the screws and humiliate them with a closing run.  Good teams do it all the time.  Sticking around for three quarters means nothing.  Nothing.

Or how 'bout this....  Any of you guys or girls good one-on-one players?  How often do you let your opponent hang around, thinking maybe this times he or she's got a chance, then slam the door in their face, and score the last three or four without letting 'em even get a shot up.

The Bulls are that wimpy opponent that other teams will let have just enough of a run to keep things interesting.  It's embarrassing.  Or should be.

by alec on Mar 18, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

When you have a coaching staff that benches you
for displaying them, that is what you can expect from their play.  The piss poor coaching has alot of these guys second-guessing rather than playing.  Their tentative play leads to all these turnovers.

by BiNgO on Mar 18, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

This surely must be the sign
that management is looking for regarding whether Boylan stays or goes:  the Bulls can't close it out. Ever.

Not only that, but the Hornets game made it seem like they didn't even scout or prepare the players to defend what the Hornets do best. Who knew Chris Paul was good at driving to the hoop? How were we supposed to know that he throws alley-oops? Who is this Chris Paul character, should we have known about him before the 4th quarter of the game?

If these aren't a good reason to fire the coach then I'm not sure what are.

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Mar 18, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

The best part of it
is if you follow the game thread several BaB's predicted the collapse.  I swear we know this team more than this coaching staff!!
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Mar 18, 2008 10:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Imagine how good tryus
would be if he played with cp3.  I know that goes for pretty much every non-point guard in the nba, but tyrus and paul would be amazing.  
Anyone who has watched the bulls this year, and who watched that sixers game knew the bulls were not winning this game.  the bulls find a way to lose during winning time.  shut down thabo, buy out kirk, start bg and tt, and just lock boylan out of the berto center and the UC.  the bulls should get a restraining order on him.
if only kirk could have progressed this year, maybe things wouldnt have been soooo bad.  We have been killed by point guards all year, and i blame capt kirk.  he shit the bed this year.

i am just kidding about the buy out, but i hope kirk comes back next year and kicks ass, but that doesnt seem likely.

by Conor on Mar 18, 2008 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Look at Julian Wright
Play me and see what happens.  Low and behold, the kid is productive WHEN HE'S ON THE FLOOR WITH CHRIS PAUL.  My grandmother could be productive with Paul.  Shoot it mams!

Chris Paul is ridiculously good.  I need to watch more games with him because there has to be weaknesses in his game.  He just looked f'n awesome in the 4th against us last night.  It was picture perfect basketball.

Red Kerr is talking about how Paul reminds him of Earl the Pearl Monroe as I am flipping stations over to ESPN to watch "Black Magic" where they're talking about how dynamic and ground breaking Earl Monroe's game was for the NBA.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Mar 18, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

how hired the moron Boylan?
Skiles or Paxson? it doesn't matter!

by exult463 on Mar 18, 2008 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

This whole thread is so very depressing.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Mar 18, 2008 3:25 PM CDT reply actions  

i agree
if only Cleveland was playing and we could watch Ben Wallace earn a pay check
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Mar 18, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

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