Open Game Thread #66: Bulls at New Orleans Hornets
Bah.
Usually, as this season has progressed (or digressed), by each next game I'm back on the horse. That Sixers loss did me in though, like the Washington one should've.
Would a win on the road over New Orleans make up for collapsing at home? Meh, maybe, but I've finally learned that it'll only mean we're just that much closer to seeing the next Boylan-led debacle. No thanks.
The Hornets are hurting, and David West may not play. They did play yesterday afternoon in Detroit, which supposedly, with real NBA teams, helps.
Commenter paxson43 emailed me noting that tonight is green jersey night in celebration of St. Patrick's day, and last season's outing in the green was a destruction of the Celtics featuring Tyrus Thomas going bananas with many an alley-oop.
Fast forward a year, and I'm pretty sure the Bulls released Thomas, I'm now looking to sell my upcoming tickets against the Celtics, and Ty-3 watch is in full effect. He bled once in a game, you know.
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no DVR?
Also, I'm not sure if this works for non-HD telecasts, but I was so fed up with Dore and Kerr on Friday that I unplugged the front speakers and just had the sounds of bouncing basketballs, squeaking sneakers, and Tommy Edwards. I sort of lost track of the fouls, but that's a small price to pay.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 17, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll be watching :(
I'm watching dancing with the stars
by KT on Mar 17, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I watch ice skating
YEA GO BULLS
Sorry...that was sooo uncalled for...I just wanted to get that last bit of enthusiasm out of my system and get ready for another mind numbing loss.
By the way anyone hate the way the bulls lose. I mean just losing is one thing, but they make you think they are dominating, but in reality all they need is a 5 min window to get blown out. Gah.
Although i am looking forward to those Green Jerseys (green being my favorite color, maybe i should become a fan of the celtics, at least then ill be rooting for a winning orginization for the next two years. The bulls should pick up by then huh??)
Key matchup = Hinrich on Paul
by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 7:12 PM CDT reply actions
Hughes drive
Hah! Chandler fumbling the interior pass there
by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 7:26 PM CDT reply actions
Bleh
On Cue
you forgot to add the guy who just came in
Really
next year
Tyrus is 1 foul away
by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply actions
Boylan
They are saving them all
Wow Noc
by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 7:51 PM CDT reply actions
Noc doesn't seem to be too in to it tonight
BG
Nm
Duhon didn't make the trip
Thabo can play
Hinrich didnt even TRY
Yes he did...
by smash on Mar 18, 2008 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Chris Paul
by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 8:19 PM CDT reply actions
Yep
by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
you'd think Deng would stand
why so negative
If Boylan doesnt screw with the lineups too much then the bulls have a chance. Oh and chandler his looking like his former self.
I was thinking the same thing
Our new arrivals
by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Horrendous foul there
CP jets by a lot of people
by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Boylan's coaching
LOL
by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 8:57 PM CDT reply actions
Hey all-
by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 8:59 PM CDT reply actions
dudu
by Sambossanova on Mar 17, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they're just going to have to figure out
So is a 9 point lead only half as toxic as +18?
It was a nice 3rd until those closing seconds. I don't know why a team that supposedly prefers ball movement always goes to isolations at the end of quarters/games.
Larry Hughes and his fucking quick jumpers
Boylan is such an ineffectual moron.
Uh, who coaches them?
WHo apparently didn't get through?
Hence, ineffectual.
Is Noah in?
by bullsfaninbigapple on Mar 17, 2008 9:09 PM CDT reply actions
Thanks
by bullsfaninbigapple on Mar 17, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't have big stats tonight
by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
if Stojkavich starts hitting
Gooden is having another good game.
it really sucks
someone definitely will
Pretty clear Tyrus
tyrus
by Sambossanova on Mar 17, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
he's the best defender on CP
by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
The Bulls are a joke.
Paxson is a joke.
Yet again, no interior defense combined with bad perimeter defenders costs us the lead.
hmm
by Sambossanova on Mar 17, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Did Boylan just put Gooden at the five again?
Unreal.
We got rid of the 5
by BoxingHideout on Mar 17, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
to be fair
by Sambossanova on Mar 17, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Then go big and get a size advantage
hmm
the 5th "get larry hughes" out comment
larry hughes is a black hole. once you pass him the ball, he keeps it for a contested shot or turns it over.
I guess this is what Cavs fans meant . . .
Hey, how did Chandler get that lob?
oh yeah, cause he is over seven feet and he is being guarded by Drew F'in Gooden.
isnt it a bit early
Boylan at his best
Bring Tyrus in!
With Hinrich playing invisible
by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions
quit complaining about boylan
A lack of a post player cost us this game?
Oh sure...
Oh, and Noah too - he's ALWAYS been stamped as a quitter.
Whatever. I'd be a f$%(ing quitter if I had an idiot boss like Boylan too. Except that I can find another high-paying technical project manager job no problem. These guys have no place to go.
Especially Ben and Luol - they're stuck with a f-ing moron head coach who is trying to ruin their career and f#$# them on their next contract.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
WOW.
Well, Gooden ruined his effort
What a terrible possession
Are you sure that wasn't
by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 18, 2008 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Stacey, they are able to trap BG
the other thing is
OH NO!!!
...oh wait, i saw this coming before tip off...craptastic!
i hope...
Credit to Stacy King
by cjurmann on Mar 17, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply actions
It's not that embarrassing
There's MVP of the league....
by cjurmann on Mar 17, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
man
He played little enough at the end
Kirk did have a horrible shooting night, but I didn't think he looked any worse than everybody else on defense. They just did a miserable job on Paul overall.
This year's team is an embarrasment
So much for talking to the squad about how to preserve a lead, you fucking big-nosed ass tickler Boylan.
Consiperacy theory
I doubt it....
by bullsfaninbigapple on Mar 17, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
That would make sense
all the teams right behind the bulls won
Boylan
by Freethefro on Mar 17, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions
honestly
by ihatenoce on Mar 17, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Hard to fault Boylan tonight
Would've liked to see some Tyrus on Chandler with Chandler's inability to score and Paul's ability to get to the lane at will. But you couldn't take out Gooden when he was putting up 20 and 10.
This one falls on Larry Hughes, who got Ryan Bowened in the 4th.
our defense of chris paul tonight was humiliating
by ihatenoce on Mar 17, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions
that was a playoff hungry finish if i've ever..
by ihatenoce on Mar 17, 2008 9:33 PM CDT reply actions
Hey, Bumbling Boylan, when you are facing Chris
Tard.
Hinrich deserves a lot of blame too
give hima break on that one
What they needed was tyrus in the middle to block shots but they were going small and tyrus is bad guarding the perimeter.
by Sambossanova on Mar 17, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
14 games under .500 now
How many games can the Bulls be leading in
by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 9:34 PM CDT reply actions
Was Kirk bad again tonight in crunch time?
Better Question would be
the thing is
Outscored by 20 in the 4th - AGAIN
THAT'S COACHING!!
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 9:35 PM CDT reply actions
WAKE UP PAX! PLEASE WAKE UP!
boylan
by Sambossanova on Mar 17, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Fire Boylan
Boylan reminds me of
by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 9:38 PM CDT reply actions
PREFECT!
by Takeaseat on Mar 17, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe it's this look:
or maybe the odd resemblance to Charles Logan. Naaaah, it's the crappiness. I hate Boylan.
To be fair....
Wannstedt was also the top assistant on several Super Bowl champion teams.
Boylan is a career assistant on mediocre-to-shitty ballclubs, his head coaching stints have been abysmal, and he hasn't been a key part of a successful team in over 3 decades.
Jim Boylan makes Dave Wannstedt look like Mike Holmgren.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
we scored 4 points in the last 7 minutes of the
by ihatenoce on Mar 17, 2008 9:39 PM CDT reply actions
One more bad game for Kirk
by Takeaseat on Mar 17, 2008 9:39 PM CDT reply actions
did you watch the game?
yeah, boylan forced a
by ihatenoce on Mar 17, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
other than an 0-6
Wow
by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
hopefully you can do the math
Hopefully you can understand my point
by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
12 assists and 10 boards?
by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Now you're just making up stats.
by RogersPark Kris on Mar 17, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
you'll see tomorrow
by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Did i miss something?
by Takeaseat on Mar 17, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Getaclue
by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks Kris
by Takeaseat on Mar 17, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Pick on the 0 points all you want
Stop it.
by messwiththebull on Mar 17, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Gee, forgive me for disagreeing with you
I put Paul's assist ratio in for comparison, which is hardly the same as saying that Kirk and Chris Paul are synonymous.
I respect your point
Kirk's really good at guarding two's, though, so I guess it all evens out.
by messwiththebull on Mar 17, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I apologize for taking offense where none was
And for the record, I have never once spoken even a paragraph, much less a sentence, in a bar which included both Kirk's and Chris Paul's names in it.
i meant to say he was fine
by ihatenoce on Mar 17, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
He had just enogh mins to let Chris Paul
by Takeaseat on Mar 17, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
chris paul burned every other bull
by ihatenoce on Mar 17, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree that he needs to find a place on the
by Takeaseat on Mar 17, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Hughes is a defensive player, has been 10 years
by Homegrown on Mar 17, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Larry gd Hughes
Depressing
Don't you think expiring is a bit extreme?
Hmm
At the moment though im too down on this team to have that kind of hope....meaning ill believe it when i see it.
by piccolomair on Mar 18, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Can someone get me David Stern
I want Paxson to publicly
I don't want to hear another mealey-mouthed speech about effort and injuries and the difficult exigencies of the NBA.
I want groveling.
Don't worry
PLAYOFFS??!!
Let's not....
It's Derrick Rose or bust, wins be damned. I'll be pissed if they DO win a game, because it'll just be a mistake. If they win a game it's because Boylan didn't seize the opportunity to totally F it up.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
As miserable as the team looks
How out of touch is Norm Van Lier?
Norm's not out of touch...
by smash on Mar 18, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
pax should Billy Donavan these guys
I Feel Like Crying.
Is anyone listening to this moron?
Someone should
he probably already reads this
by ihatenoce on Mar 17, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Norm Van Lier....
Norm never had to play for a complete fucking moron head coach.
It has a way of being very...um....disheartening.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply actions
I fucking don't care how many games remain
I just want to see Boylan out of there...
The Bulls are a fucking joke
by traderumor on Mar 17, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
GOD I HATE OUR TEAM!
HUGHES WAS ON A "HUGHES" NIGHT, WHERE HE FORGOT THAT PROFESSIONAL BASKETBALL IS A TEAM SPORT....
WHY DIDN'T BOYLAN CHANGE THINGS UP EARLIER IN THE 4TH AND PLAY MORE SEFALOSHA AND HINRICH?
I don't care if Kirk sucked early on, something's not right there, Kirk and Boylan hate each other, and I think it's painfully obvious to all of us fans that Boylan can't coach.....
Hinrich ain't as bad as he's showing, and he definately deserves more than 10-15 minutes per game to show his skills. I think the past 4 years have proven that.
I am so fed up with this team, I might be done watching them until next season.
Noah looked like a rookie tonight. I know he is a rookie, but he did not have a good game.
Deng again blended into the shadows far too much.
If Gordon wasn't on our team we would have lost by 45 points.
It's just so freaking frustrating. Cut the cord Pax, get Boylan out while you still have a few fans who at least want to see the team progress into the future.....
Chaos always rules when the bobble-headed bubble
It's all Kirk's fault...wait! he only played 97 seconds during that stretch right after Noah was taken out..the lead went from 93-92 to a 96-98 deficit..(I know..insurmountable during Boylan's reign). During this mini-stint, he assisted the Bull's only basket! and yes he was +9 for the game
The next best? or least worse (+/-) was the forgotten man, Thomas who was -2, but don't blame him...he never plays during crunch time...Boylan would not want to put any defensive shot blockers to pressure their layup drills or possibly grab a rebound or 2.
Our guards did a great job...the stats speak for themselves Hughes (-10) in the final 7 minutes, he was 0-2, comitted 3 fouls and had a turnover.
Ben again demonstrated why he will never be a great defender (-23). But give him credit for making 3 of our final 4 points while missing one free throw and had a turnover...low for him.
It wasn't only CP that put the dagger in...Pargo was (+16) while Bonzi Wells was an amazing (+23).
Let's blame Nocioni...but we can't he didn't play at all during that collapse..Duhon never made the trip, so he's off the list.
Gooden came thru big time 0-2,and a foul. An exhausted Deng,right on cue, performed his 4th quarter magic disappearing act. Boylan USE your fucking head and your bench. Some players do get tired after playing 43 minutes, especially if they are coming off injuries..pathetic nitwit.
Mix your magic potion into the pot, stir quickly and once again we have Boylan's recipe for disaster..bitter taste and guaranteed to destroy any NBA franchise who sips its brew.
by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 18, 2008 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions
And furthrmore, I forgot Boylan's explanation
'that's 2 games in row we controlled the game for 3 quarters AND THEN....SOMEHOW (duh!) SOMETHING ALWAYS HAPPENS (double duh!) and we again get outscored by 20 points in the 4th quarter. Is it any wonder why the Bulls are so successful with their late game adjustments?
Only a man of great intellect could offer such insights and profound thoughts with such clarity and substance.....Forrest Gump where are you when we need you!
by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 18, 2008 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Buck the Fulls - Buck Foylan
When is the last time Kirk AND Noc didn't score?
All those ex-Bulls on winning teams...
Tyson Chandler is laughing his ass off....
That might be the biggest story
by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought it was because
and the bench video shots are classic
Yeah, I find that really depressing.
No matter what you think about Noc and his style of play and his contract and his place on the team, he has always been pretty consistently Noc - right up until now. Maybe it's just this game, but he looked miserable tonight.
Nice!
http://32049.spreadshirt.com/us/US/Shop/Article/Index/article/1855797
Only the Bulls' version should say:
Andres &
Luol &
Boylan Sucks &
Boylan Sucks &
Boylan Sucks
Tyrus, no excuses you have the rest of season to
Is he supposed to prove it from the bench?
Tyrus' minutes
The one thing that this season has shown is that both Gordon and Deng aren't even worth the $10m/yr starting offer they were presented with last year. Deng should along the lines of Josh Childress or Danny Granger (certainly not Josh Howard money), because it's arguable if he's a better player and if he has a higher ceiling. Gordon should get a deal along the lines of Monta Ellis and Leandro Barbosa for the same reason. We prematurely pegged these guys as perennial all-stars when it's questionable if these guys will ever make an all-star team.
by messwiththebull on Mar 17, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
You're absolutely right...
Tyrus was benched after putting up good numbers as a starter, for Gooden - who hadn't yet earned the right to start for the Bulls. Doesn't he have to earn it, or is that only for younger players??
And now Boylan is yanking his chain, not giving him consistent minutes night in and night out, not playing him for long stretches after good games, etc.
You think Noah is in Ty's face? What makes you think he's not in Boylan's face?
Boylan is a fucking moron, and Tyrus is paying the price. Tyrus doesn't have a chance with a fucking moron for a head coach.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
you're likely right
Even if the Bulls realize they can't trade him now because they've (with some help from Tyrus himself) destroyed his trade value, it sure would've been nice that the played him enough to have the option of dealing him in a package for an upgrade.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2008 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
There is only ONE good that came from Boylan
One thing is for certain
Trade the whole team
Bring in a whole new team and staff.
Get rid of ALL the cancer.
Start over.
Think we will lose out this season?
they probably won't get higher than eighth
by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Blake Griffin? Hell no
Pax needs to do whatever he can to trade up for Rose, but let's be serious...that's not happening.
The Bulls have more than enought to offer....
But if you mean that Paxson doesn't have the balls to take a risk and move up - you're probably right.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for clarifying....
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Who would give up a top 3 pick
by messwiththebull on Mar 17, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
In general I agree....
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah,
by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
But didn't they....
They earned the #4 for the whole Aldridge/Thomas thing.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
probably
by bullshooter on Mar 18, 2008 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's something to brighten everyone up
Pax will make a big move
Big Move?
I think Paxson should lose his job just based on the Boylan as interim head coach experiment. He did have a choice he could of brought someone else in who was going to play "the kids", but he hired Jim Boylan "Professional Coach"
I'm sorry but after that Philly game i just
by Takeaseat on Mar 17, 2008 10:06 PM CDT reply actions
if you don't care
by bullshooter on Mar 17, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
wow you really hate me :(
by Takeaseat on Mar 17, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Rose could turn this whole thing around
Unfortunately
by BoxingHideout on Mar 17, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh
The Bulls have no heart/no interest
by traderumor on Mar 17, 2008 10:28 PM CDT reply actions
Boylan was praising noc, recently now benching him
Hey everyone take a look at the
by Takeaseat on Mar 17, 2008 10:42 PM CDT reply actions
Why don't you at least represent the comment
U wanna know why?
I don't need to think about it or create silly little what if scenarios, the proof is in the pudding and the fact is the guy has been in the league for like five years and still plays like he's in college. He needs to learn to adapt to the play of the league and stop sinking my Bulls with his huge contract and his soft game.
by Takeaseat on Mar 18, 2008 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
and you need to stop clogging the interweb
by bullshooter on Mar 18, 2008 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
The following is not a compliment
You sound like Zapp Brannigan opining with respect to the intractable enemy of neutrality.
I hope your commentary was intended as pastiche:
"What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality? [...] I hate these filthy neutrals, Kif! With enemies, you know where they stand, but with neutrals--who knows. It sickens me."
OK, as an fyi
Per minute stats are used to standardize a player's stats for a given night so that the variable of minutes played no longer distorts things. It's one of several very common statistical tools used in regular, every day basketball evaluation.
If you don't like stats, as it seems you don't, fine - but when you try to make fun of something you don't understand it can come across as pretty idiotic.
well, that was easier to take
I hope Gordon shoots his way to $60m, then burns a big pile of cash on the CSN postgame desk in celebration.
I've been showcased: now I'm certain Hughes blows :). The best was him getting the ball stolen by Paul, and instead of getting back he makes a half-hearted attempt at a steal midcourt and just lets him go right by. Gooden also had some nice ole' moments.
I cannot believe that the Bulls season has been wasted, and we know so little about Thomas. It's a freaking travesty. All we learned was that he's been working on his jumpshot. Anti-showcased!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 17, 2008 10:58 PM CDT reply actions
I'm not starting a new thread
Boylan didn't do anything as completely incompetent as benching Noah and Thomas for the whole 4th...but keeping Hughes out there while he was getting carved up is close.
Nocioni's devolved into a joke. 4 more years!
I previously scoffed at the 'Deng dissapears in 4th quarters' crowd last time around...but he did so again. However I'm pretty sure having Larry Hughes dominate the ball didn't help.
Aaron Gray wasn't bad tonight. He was actually somewhat mobile on offense.
Tyler Hansborough has a nice shot of being the next Ryan Bowen.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 17, 2008 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do you hate Noc so much?
by smash on Mar 18, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
cause he pouts
How is that performing well mentally?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
He pouts, this is true. But he also...
The biggest reason I defend Noc is because I still remember the great championship teams of the 90's and I believe he's one of the few players on the current roster who would have made the cut. He would have known his role, accepted it and excelled at it. (Sure he also would have come to blows with MJ at practice, but that's an entirely different topic...:)
by smash on Mar 18, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Deng disapearance
Deng 0-4 with 1 point in the 4th.
Although it should be noted that he once again played a lot o' minutes.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
you forgot the best Hughes moment of the night
by bullshooter on Mar 18, 2008 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
nah, it happened
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
And then of course
If BG gets
Hear, hear!
by Bass on Mar 18, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
No more Bulls watching for me until 2008-09
Wall: dented
Bulls: Not worth getting mad over
They don't care about the fans so I won't care about them. When you have a real team, maybe I will come back. Doesn't mean I'm a fairweather fan....I just can't support a team that doesn't care about winning.
by traderumor on Mar 17, 2008 11:14 PM CDT reply actions
I'd love to follow
I will probably catch a game here or there but I'm not going to surf around for them....
I'll still be on these blogs though.
God I am so Pissed off at these guys....I'm also pissed that the damned illinoislottery won't show the St. Paddy's Day winners yet. I was hoping for that damned million dollar ticket that didn't happen, but I want to know the other winners....
Sorry that was off topic.
Sigh
by NittanyBull on Mar 18, 2008 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Bulls are only 3 games out....
If Boylan continues to screw the pooch, the Bulls could be in a very good position.
Last year Portland was #6 and Seattle #5, and they ended up first and second in the draft.
In 2006 it was Toronto in the #5 spot who won the Lottery.
In 2005 it was Milwaukee in the #6 spot who won the Lottery.
And the Bulls don't even necessarily have to win it to get Derrick Rose - they just need a pick in the top 3!
As long as Boylan doesn't screw up the fact that he's a complete f-ing moron, and he continues to lose games that are completely winnable, the Bulls could erase all the pain of this season with a few lucky bounces.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 17, 2008 11:56 PM CDT reply actions
Wouldnt it be great
Is this a joke?
It's actually kind of messed up if you think about it, because West teams of this year with 50-some wins are going to make the lottery, while East teams who make the playoffs with 30-some wins aren't going to get into the lottery. And people wonder why the East sucks so bad.
I hope this isn't the first time you've heard of this.
Damn positive feedback
I agree with the lineup comments
What an astounding debacle
The biggest problem is of course playing Drew Gooden the entire 3rd quarter. Oh, he can give you 20-10? Awesome, but do you have to run his energy into the ground before the game is even over? Rest him. Insert Tyrus Thomas. WHAT THE FUCK?
I have to stop now. Every other word coming into my mind is a four letter word best applied to Jim Boylan, but you guys have already painted the picture we know of him in this thread.
For the rest of the season I'll just be checking gameflow to see how many minutes Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden play and for how many consecutive minutes they do play.
I didn't get to turn the game on
So, at this point, for me, I know this season's over. In my heart I'm actually pulling for them to lose. I think Philadelphia was the breaking point.
This doesn't mean that the games are completely without interest. I want to see Thabo, Tyrus and Noah get minutes. I want to see Tyrus start to find some kind of offensive comfort zone. That's about it.
Joakim Noah
Pathetic!
I just don't understand Boylan's coaching...It seems like he thinks a time-out is supposed to do the coaching for him. When things go south, he calls time-out and stands around and pouts, when he should be searching for the damn rabbit in the hat. When the rookies make mistakes, he punishes them with bench time instead of helping them correct the problem through real coaching and allowing them the opportunity to learn through repitition or playing time. He is no different than Skiles, and Paxson is ultimately responsible. Pax should ready himself for the unemployment line. We should expect that don't you all think? That is really the only solution when someone fails so miserably at running a multimillion dollar business.... Think real world.
Gooden as coach
He was clearly fatigued last night after playing the whole 3rd quarter. Rest him, though I would take a benching.
Of course, I've been calling for a hard foul or two all season long to fire up this team. Put Chris Paul on the line every time he enters the paint. Put him on his ass, and make himself get to the line. See how many times he tries to enter the paint after that.
Word to the Pistons.
by NBA Observer on Mar 18, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
This call for "hard fouls" makes me sick
and don't be such a pussy
This isn't about contesting shots
There's still a difference
yeah, but looking at your choice of words
There's no value in sending messages. The Bulls were doing the bare minimum in even contesting the shots, it had nothing to do with how hard they could potentially foul. I think Paul can take it.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right about this....
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
no value in sending messages?
The message should be....
The message the Bulls would send is - you'll get knocked down for no reason, because everyone can see we don't give a sh!t any longer.
I agree with your perspective, but these Bulls have no identity and no hope, which means any 'message' at this point would be pointless.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
that's basically what I'm saying
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
exactly
Figure skating and synchronized swimming...
As has already been pointed out, fouls are a part of the game, a tool to be used to try to score more points.
Just as teams begin to foul when they're down by more than 6-8 points in the last few minutes, just as Ben Wallace and Shaq are fouled often in the lane rather than being allowed to slam-dunk - it's perfectly appropriate to foul ANYONE in the lane rather than letting them have a layup.
It's the same as a CB tackling a WR in football when they're beat and getting a pass interference penalty rather than letting up a sure TD. The WR could easily be injured on that play, just like every other play.
Oh ~ and don't you think that one reason these guys get contracts worth tens of millions of dollars is maybe, just maybe, the constant threat of injury?
If you enjoy basketball as a non-contact sport - the NCAA Women's Tourney is starting soon!! Enjoy!!
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
How did MJ get his points then?
I think you're missing the point of the discussion here. I was only writing about hard fouls, not fouls that come through the course of action. It's one thing to foul a player when attempting to prevent them from scoring. It's another thing to try to "send a message" when making that foul by physically accosting a player. I'm talking about the types of fouls that result in a player being thrown to the floor.
So what's the point of a hard foul?
Your understanding is incorrect.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's spell it out
When it crossed that line, it's a flagrant foul at best, and an assault at worst.
I wouldn't step into the batter's box against Nolan Ryan, because I'd be physically intimidated - even if I'd never batted against him again.
I can't believe this concept even needs explanation.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I appreciate that you prefer
However, it is not championship season play--not in any sport. I'm trying to think of a single NBA champion that exclusively played the ball, rather than the man; that didn't treat its own paint as its personal real estate, and opponents who dared enter like intruders. It just doesn't happen.
You may want it to be different, but my guess is that if a team played the way you describe, that team would likely not win a single game all season. Not one.
You're overstating my position
EXACTLY!!
Everyone knows the difference. Or at least (everyone - 1) knows the difference.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you REALLY an idiot....
"It's one thing to foul a player when attempting to prevent them from scoring. It's another thing to try to "send a message" when making that foul by physically accosting a player."
YOU SEND A MESSAGE WHEN YOU FOUL A PLAYER TO PREVENT THEM FROM SCORING. THE MESSAGE IS: YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AN EASY BASKET ON US, EVER.
Sorry about the caps, but you don't seem to be able to understand with regular typing.
You're make the logical leap that a foul to prevent a player from scoring is necessarily a physical assault. That is - to quote you - a logical fallacy.
Thanks for playing!
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously?
Dude....
As I stated above - Physical intimidation does not necessitate physical pain!!
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, so simmer down, because that's all I was
By the way, it's you that is prejudiced
I named non-contact sports. You assumed that I was naming female spectator sports.
Boylan-brain.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice try! You even told me to watch women's
If you enjoy basketball
a "hard foul" is not the same
I'm talking about a "hard foul" as a response to getting beat play after play that is run the same exact way, with different offensive personnel, and different defensive personnel(obviously subs for the previously ineffective players) and watching the exact same productive results for the other team.
The "hard foul" is not about trying to injure a player. It's about communicating a permanent message that if you come in this same area again trying the same stuff you will get the exact same result, getting up off the floor, dusting yourself off, and trying to get your points at the free throw line.
It is an admission of defeat because you know the opponent is better if they keep running the same play over and over and make it work. But you're really telling them you want this game slow and you want them to get off the floor every possession and hope they make their free throws.
by NBA Observer on Mar 18, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
and then they get off the floor
The Bulls should be challenging shots not to send a message, but because that's how you keep from the opponent from scoring. They were so disinterested that Paul was going full-court right to the rim. A hard foul wouldn't change that, try and get a hand up first.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Mar 18, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I know what a hard foul is. Is it right?
Your reply....
You're arguing about how many angels fit on the head of a pin.
Basketball is a contact sport, and fouls are part of the game.
Pitchers pitch inside and sometimes hit the batter. CBs tackle WRs when they're beat and get flagged for pass interference rather than giving up a TD. And basketball players foul guys in the lane to avoid giving up layups all the time.
Claiming that playing this type of game makes one dirty means that you haven't truly been paying attention for, oh, as long as you've been watching sports.
There is a difference. If you don't like it, watch figure skating.
by BullsFanInSeattle on Mar 18, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Except, the No Balls Assoc.
The Bulls are the best
by RogersPark Kris on Mar 18, 2008 10:04 AM CDT reply actions
Translation: They Suck
Or how 'bout this.... Any of you guys or girls good one-on-one players? How often do you let your opponent hang around, thinking maybe this times he or she's got a chance, then slam the door in their face, and score the last three or four without letting 'em even get a shot up.
The Bulls are that wimpy opponent that other teams will let have just enough of a run to keep things interesting. It's embarrassing. Or should be.
When you have a coaching staff that benches you
This surely must be the sign
Not only that, but the Hornets game made it seem like they didn't even scout or prepare the players to defend what the Hornets do best. Who knew Chris Paul was good at driving to the hoop? How were we supposed to know that he throws alley-oops? Who is this Chris Paul character, should we have known about him before the 4th quarter of the game?
If these aren't a good reason to fire the coach then I'm not sure what are.
The best part of it
Imagine how good tryus
Anyone who has watched the bulls this year, and who watched that sixers game knew the bulls were not winning this game. the bulls find a way to lose during winning time. shut down thabo, buy out kirk, start bg and tt, and just lock boylan out of the berto center and the UC. the bulls should get a restraining order on him.
if only kirk could have progressed this year, maybe things wouldnt have been soooo bad. We have been killed by point guards all year, and i blame capt kirk. he shit the bed this year.
i am just kidding about the buy out, but i hope kirk comes back next year and kicks ass, but that doesnt seem likely.
by Conor on Mar 18, 2008 2:01 PM CDT reply actions
Look at Julian Wright
Chris Paul is ridiculously good. I need to watch more games with him because there has to be weaknesses in his game. He just looked f'n awesome in the 4th against us last night. It was picture perfect basketball.
Red Kerr is talking about how Paul reminds him of Earl the Pearl Monroe as I am flipping stations over to ESPN to watch "Black Magic" where they're talking about how dynamic and ground breaking Earl Monroe's game was for the NBA.
by NBA Observer on Mar 18, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions

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