"I'm in control"
Jim Boylan gives his best Alexander Haig impression to KC Johnson, who not only got Paxson to say Boylan's "done a good job", but one-upped him with his own opinion that it's been, in fact, a "very very good job".
And while luke-warmingly endorsing his uncontrolled puppet, Pax also managed to hand out yet another fine as a result of the team's latest bout with 'unprofessionalism'.
The organizational message is starting to get re-sent that it's 'character' that wins, and the lack of it has caused this derailment of a season. That may be partly the case, but it's an especially egregious failure in light of the preaching about how they've picked (and perhaps held on to) players based on this nebulous trait, which has turned out to merely mean not getting arrested.
Because the important, actual team-building aspect of these character guys is lacking: they've quit on two coaches, there's no leadership except when it's time to crap on a younger player, and missed practices and shootarounds abound.
But the answer isn't to bring in yet more guys with the 'character' label, it's to realize that it's a low priority. This team once 'bought in' because they were winning. If they win again, it'll bring the character, not vice versa. Get better players, and realize that this is the NBA and few players are perfectly agenda-less. Not that there aren't a few team-killing anti-character players out there as well, but I'd avoid Adrian Griffin just as much as Zach Randolph.
Meanwhile...in the lamest playoff push in history, the Bulls gain ground by simply not playing, as the Sixers, Nets, and Hawks all lost.
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I don't know if you can say they quit
by danger mouse on Mar 11, 2008 12:26 AM CDT 0 recs
Well said
Deng and Gordon are entitled to the minutes needed to max their value, whether it's for us or the free market. Noah and TT have to succeed to avert another rebuilding project. Kirk, Duh and Noc had well defined roles. How naive can the staff be to think that putting Hughes and Gooden anywhere higher than 8th and 9th in the rotation until they earn better would send anything but hostile signals to the very people you're criticising for "private agendas", effort, teamwork and all of that bullshit? Bonehead couldn't wait to send some of them to the bench. These are professionals, which in sports is interpreted as for the money. If the team doesn't appear to have their interests covered, they're put in the position of doing it themselves. From the behavior of Pax and Jerry on down, it hasn't appeared to be the case that being a "good" Bull is a very rewarding career goal.
by California Al on Mar 11, 2008 2:50 AM CDT 0 recs
JR Smith is awful
JR Smith has clashed with every coach in his life.
by NBA Observer on
Mar 11, 2008 9:22 AM CDT
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chandler traded for
Then to not turn browns expiring deal into something last year is frustrating. Im sure you could have packaged Smith with other assets and gotten something anything back. If you didn't want him on your team why trade for him in the first place?
by Blacknight23 on
Mar 11, 2008 9:36 AM CDT
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It wasn't nothing, but it wasn't enough, imo.
Had Memphis not been over-reaching, Brown should have gotten Gasol. The most reasonable trade rumored I saw was Brown, Tyrus Thomas + the draft pick/Noah. That was a fair offer a year ago. However, when you consider that all they really got back for Chandler was Brown, then the trade being Chandler + Tyrus + Noah for Gasol... that might have been too much.
I dunno. I still don't like that trade. If they were playing Thomas and Noah, and, ya know, actually getting these guys experience, I'd be fine with it. But if the choice was Joe Smith/Drew Gooden ahead of these guys or Tyson chandler, I know who I'd rather have.
by tyger1147 on
Mar 11, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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DING!
The posts on this blog are like a broken record.
by Khalid El-Amin on
Mar 11, 2008 11:58 AM CDT
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It's going to be a broken record
by RogersPark Kris on
Mar 11, 2008 12:01 PM CDT
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chandler traded for
Then to not turn browns expiring deal into something last year is frustrating. Im sure you could have packaged Smith with other assets and gotten something anything back. If you didn't want him on your team why trade for him in the first place? Paxson is awful.
by Blacknight23 on
Mar 11, 2008 9:38 AM CDT
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Thank you
by California Al on
Mar 11, 2008 9:59 AM CDT
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Don't kid yourself
The JR Smith trade brought back another expiring contract. There was little chance JR Smith would even play for the Chicago Bulls last season seeing we already had solid contributions from the current roster of guards and an incoming draft pick in Thabo Sefolosha.
JR Smith was thrown away by the Hornets because they were committed to Chris Paul and Byron Scott. JR is a selfish player with questionable shot selection, high risk low reward defensive decision making, and uncertain future upside due for a new contract after this season. It's unclear if Denver will even offer him a contract. Chances are really bleak if the Nuggets miss the playoffs.
Tyrus is only in his second season in the NBA. If you think I'm a "few logical steps away from dumping" him you must not have watched or read much about JR Smtih's second season in the NBA. He believed he was entitled to be a starting shooting guard given a minimum of 15 shots per game.
by NBA Observer on
Mar 11, 2008 10:06 AM CDT
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I don't think I said anything delusional about JR
by California Al on
Mar 11, 2008 10:19 AM CDT
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This one isn't accurate
Tyrus gets good defensive position. When trying to block shots he's not attempting them to make him exposed defensively. His lapses appear on offense where he's not really asked to be a consistent contributor on anything other than the glass and the free throw line.
The primary point here is that you don't know enough about JR Smith to use him as a comparison to short change any view of Tyrus Thomas.
You can read the Nuggets forums where fans think JR Smith is decent, but they're not looking at him as if he could be really good in the way BAB readers view the upside of Tyrus Thomas. Smith plays and sucks. Thomas can hardly get in games, but predominantly because of questionable coaching decisions.
by NBA Observer on
Mar 11, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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We digress
by California Al on
Mar 11, 2008 10:51 AM CDT
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Point noted
I squabble with Nugget fans over JR once or twice a week. If you saw the Nuggets@Chicago game then you should remember that 4th quarter shooting spree from Smith. He was on fire. After the Nuggets lost that game to us and then blew a 23 point lead at Milwaukee the next night, George Karl said JR Smith plays in "fantasyland". Karl was right. Even if you are on fire, chucking three point attempts 10 seconds into the shot clock can fall every time and still hurt your team.
I haven't see enough negative stuff from Tyrus off the court in his 2 seasons with us, but the "see you Thursday" comments allegedly made to his teammates is not helping him in this department.
by NBA Observer on
Mar 11, 2008 11:39 AM CDT
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Nah, no positive light
by California Al on
Mar 11, 2008 1:10 PM CDT
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so as long as they look the part
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 11, 2008 1:16 PM CDT
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I resent being associated with the MGBS
by California Al on
Mar 11, 2008 1:44 PM CDT
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Griffin
by bullshooter on
Mar 11, 2008 1:49 PM CDT
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California Al
Has Tyrus Thomas been givin a fair chance to prove his worth/value to the Chicago Bulls once in his very short careeer?
if so please explain.
by Bulls4Ever on
Mar 11, 2008 11:04 AM CDT
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Better folks around here to ask than me
by California Al on
Mar 11, 2008 12:20 PM CDT
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the answer is yes
by bullshooter on
Mar 11, 2008 12:55 PM CDT
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i disagree
9.3 Ppg
7 Trbs
This is in 23 min per game which included a 21, 12 game and 19 & 14. After the 19 & 14 game he played a total of 12 min!!! 12 min for a starter who just had a great game?? Then was sent to the bench...
2nd stint as a starter:
avg's
10.6 ppg
7.2 Trbs
in 23 min. Started off with several good games and had 6 pts with 10 Trbs. Then went down to 9 minutes a game and was replaced by a new acquired Drew Gooden. I don't think that's a fair shake considering he was playign well as a starter.
by tyrus4prez on
Mar 11, 2008 1:13 PM CDT
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I know you disagree
by bullshooter on
Mar 11, 2008 1:16 PM CDT
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not good enough
entitlement minutes now, and forever!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 11, 2008 1:19 PM CDT
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*fewer
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 11, 2008 1:20 PM CDT
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ok sorry
by bullshooter on
Mar 11, 2008 1:23 PM CDT
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entitlement
by bullshooter on
Mar 11, 2008 1:22 PM CDT
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don't activate the contrarian bot
"it's time"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 11, 2008 1:17 PM CDT
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"It's time."
It will be just as idiotic as Boylan saying that about starting Gooden, but it provides a nice "full circle" feeling to everything.
by wjb1492 on
Mar 11, 2008 1:58 PM CDT
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If character really counts, DUMP BOYLAN NOW!
He said he was especially upset with TT's absence and laughingly reiterated that meaningful minutes have to be "earned" if the young bigs want to see the court during an actual game. No wonder Gooden and Hughes hog most of the minutes. Their one walk-thru must have made a hell of an impression on our feckless leaders to "earn" so much PT.
Does anyone who follows the Bulls believe the Pistons would have dominated the Bulls in the paint and rebounding if TT and Noah were a tandum duo last night? Detroit was relieved that the dunderhead did not play one of their chief nemises during crunch time despite the fact that TT did not distinguish himself during his huge 3+ minute stint.
Hinrich was plus +9 which "earned" him a permanent seat on the bench while Gooden and even Gordon were heavy minuses.
Boylan ALWAYS finds a way to lose by going with insane matchups and rotations that vary more than the weather. Character does count, but our mismanagement team are a bunch of characters, with a definite deficency of gray matter(my apologies to Aaron).
FIRE THE WHOLE COACHING STAFF..they won't be missed.
by Tyrusmancrush on Mar 11, 2008 2:52 AM CDT 0 recs
Amen
by California Al on Mar 11, 2008 3:13 AM CDT 0 recs
Boylan can't
by sue369 on Mar 11, 2008 6:30 AM CDT 0 recs
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!
by Sports2 on Mar 11, 2008 7:06 AM CDT 0 recs
Boylan
"I drive a Dodge Stratus!" - Jim Boylan
by Noce1184 on Mar 11, 2008 8:54 AM CDT 0 recs
Peter principle
Perfectly exemplified in Boylan...
by mdmnd9294 on
Mar 11, 2008 10:03 AM CDT
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Wins heal all open wounds
by NBA Observer on Mar 11, 2008 9:31 AM CDT 0 recs
Not to be
by Noce1184 on
Mar 11, 2008 9:48 AM CDT
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Whomever Korver guards
by NBA Observer on
Mar 11, 2008 10:08 AM CDT
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Who on our team
I'm not going to enjoy watching Noce/Hughes fly out to the 3-point line as Korver drills open looks all night. I'm expecting a lot of the high pick and rolls with Boozer/Williams.
by Noce1184 on
Mar 11, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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Korver is a 3
by NBA Observer on
Mar 11, 2008 10:49 AM CDT
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reason for hope
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Mar 11, 2008 10:42 AM CDT
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Minutes
Deng and Gordon are good players who are having bad years--Gordon because the entire offense is dysfunctional which has had a big effect on his game, and Deng because he's been hurt and trying to expand his game too quickly. They should bounce back.
by nateroth on Mar 11, 2008 10:02 AM CDT 0 recs
No, the problem is
by RogersPark Kris on
Mar 11, 2008 10:08 AM CDT
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Gooden is below average.
by tyger1147 on
Mar 11, 2008 10:13 AM CDT
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Gooden vs. Thomas
The Hinrich-Hughes-Deng-Gooden-Noah unit has a +21 going according to 82games. Not a true comparison, but that "Eastern Conference Champs" starting lineup from the beginning of the year of Hinrich-Gordon-Deng-Thomas-Wallace was at -36 at the time of the trade.
But Tyrus is much better than anyone on the team at two-handed dunks, I'll give you that.
by nateroth on
Mar 11, 2008 10:27 AM CDT
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heh
by Parrotman on
Mar 11, 2008 11:10 AM CDT
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Hateroth
Drew Gooden's +-
2007 (Bulls): -4.3
2007 (Cavs): -1.8
- -8.5
- -4.4
- +2.4
- +3.1
by YaoPau on
Mar 11, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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one of the league's best?
by bullshooter on
Mar 11, 2008 1:03 PM CDT
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that's a terrible use of plus-minus
by hscs on
Mar 11, 2008 11:35 AM CDT
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We know
by cranscape on
Mar 11, 2008 10:18 AM CDT
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you're actually missing the point
I really dont understand what is expected in Tyrus's limited 8 minutes of burn in the 2nd quarter. I understand that yes he does miss assignments and yes he does stand on the perimeter too long, but he was productive when starting with an occasional bad game here or there. It's the NBA people have bad games once in a while. Tyrus was drafted to become a stud in 2-3 years, patience my friend...
by tyrus4prez on
Mar 11, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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Tyrus playing time
And I also like Tyrus and think he will be a solid rotation guy in the league. I'd like to keep him on the Bulls. But I don't see how anyone can expect that a huge increase in playing time will turn him into a beast. It's not happening.
by nateroth on
Mar 11, 2008 10:31 AM CDT
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It already has happened.
by tyger1147 on
Mar 11, 2008 10:40 AM CDT
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if tyrus was putting up
by tyrus4prez on
Mar 11, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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the Golden State game
by tyrus4prez on
Mar 11, 2008 10:48 AM CDT
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Gooden also shows flashes
by Parrotman on
Mar 11, 2008 11:14 AM CDT
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I love decent players
by Takeaseat on
Mar 11, 2008 1:01 PM CDT
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More playing time
http://www.nba.com/historical/playerfile/index.html?player=scottie_pippen
Look at his 1st year numbers to his 2nd year numbers. See what more playing time can do for your numbers.
Pippen also had the luxury of not having vets being played in front of him. Imagine if the Bulls had kept Orlando Woolridge and Pippen would have had to play behind him. Do you think Pippen would have been able to show his abilities?
Don't say Pippen was a great player, he wasn't at the time, he worked his way there, just like Tyrus could if given the chance.
by BullsAttitude on
Mar 11, 2008 12:07 PM CDT
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Maybe they should have given
by nateroth on
Mar 11, 2008 12:57 PM CDT
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Actually........
http://www.nba.com/historical/playerfile/index.html?player=brad_sellers
In Sellers 2nd season, he started 76 games of the 82 games he played. His minutes increased from 21.9 to 27. Rebounds dropped from 4.7 to 3.0. Everything else stayed pretty much the same.
He never showed improvement like Tyrus has, still yet Thomas has never got a real fair shake. Thomas has never broke the 20 min average for his career. Sitting at 15 min/game for his career right now.
So, nice try, who's the next player you are going to state?
by BullsAttitude on
Mar 11, 2008 1:25 PM CDT
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have TT's per min stats gone up with
by bullshooter on
Mar 11, 2008 1:29 PM CDT
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Well, let's see
13.4 mins/game 47.5% FG 60.6% FT 3.7 RPG 0.6 APG 0.6 SPG 1.1 BPG 1.31 TO 2.3 PF 5.2 PPG
This year
17.0 mins/game 41% FG 72.5% FT 4.5 RPG 1.2 APG 0.7 SPG 0.9 BPG 1.04 TO 2.1 PF 6.2 PPG
So in 3.6 more mins, he is shooting a little worse but he has attempted more shots this year than he did all of last year. He has increased his FT % by almost 12% points. His rebounding is up by .8, he has doubled his assists, steals are about the same, blocks are down a little, Turnovers are down and his fouling is down. Average a point more than last year.
All of this in only 3.6 more minutes a game. So, there is improvement there, so you check again.
This kid is only 21 YEARS OLD!! How many of you at 21 knew it all, didn't make mistakes, or was a master at your profession?
The greatest comment by Thomas was the one not said but made, when he was asked during an interview what he feels he needs to do to get more playing time? Thomas "Looks to the sky and raises his hands upward"
Here is another player for you to check out
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/monta_ellis/career_stats.html
I'm with the majority that Boylan has to go. His BS of the playing time is earned and then Thomas gets the bench after doing well while starting. Gooden gets put in the starting lineup for not really proving anything or earning it. I'm sorry, I can see why Thomas rebelled.
by BullsAttitude on
Mar 11, 2008 1:50 PM CDT
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per game is not the same as per minute
by bullshooter on
Mar 11, 2008 2:03 PM CDT
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Thomas has improved offensively...
by tyger1147 on
Mar 11, 2008 2:55 PM CDT
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I misread the stats.
by tyger1147 on
Mar 11, 2008 3:07 PM CDT
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Wow......
Just like where I work in wireless, our sales per day is important, but the


