Bulls escape with win, Boylan escapes with my sanity
That was a must-win tonight, if you consider the playoff 'push' worth pursuing (and I do, cause...why not?). Philly and Atlanta won, and the Bulls were against an inferior team that they maddeningly let hang around for 3 quarters.
But they did pull out the win, and while nobody played exceptional there were some decent performances. Larry Hughes had 29 points and rescued the ice-cold Ben Gordon (in the 4th quarter especially, isn't it a treat to have another actual willing scorer on the team?). Progressively each game, there's more evidence that Hughes' rep for bad shot selection will eventually catch up with him. Luckily for the Bulls, tonight he was making some ill-advised jumpers (and leaners), and went to the line 10 times. For his part, Gordon complemented him (when not making some awful shot-selection decisions himself) by being quite the playmaker in the 4th, finishing with 6 assists. I thought Nocioni did a good job in a limited role, and Deng looks almost back, just without his pet mid-range jump shot.
Now to Boylan, who is doing an overall average job but is developing some bad habits with his new toybox. One is pulling Tyrus Thomas first in each half, 7 minutes into the first, and 4 minutes into the 2nd. Another is pulling Noah when the other team goes 'small'. Confusing the idea of going small, which isn't to 'go short' but to 'go quick'. Noah is an ideal center against a small-ball lineup, big enough to exploit it on the glass, yet agile enough to chase around his opponents when they space the floor. But perhaps this isn't an indictment of either Thomas or Noah, it's merely Boylan finding excuses to get Drew Gooden into the game. He actually finished with only 25 (compared to Noah's 26) minutes, but played 18 minutes in the 2nd half.
No doubt that he helped down the stretch, but it's a disturbing trend that this team should be avoiding: sticking with the 'trusted' instead of Thomas and Noah, who have been playing so well (and are so important long-term) they should be not only the starting but the closing frontcourt most games. If they look like they're having an off night (or are in foul trouble, and neither was the case tonight), then playing Gooden is more productive than doing the same with Ben Wallace, but it's looking more and more like Gooden's the default option as the game goes on, and I'm not liking it.
Other negatives included Hinrich, who was pulled a couple possessions in the 2nd half by and apparently angered Boylan and never returned. Thabo had his worst game in a while, but I must say that jump shot is looking better. Aaron Gray was useless in his 7 minutes, and had no business being out there against the Pacers space-and-chuck lineup.
But it was the end of a road trip and the win was likely going to be tough. Now there's another very winnable contest Friday (at home against the banged-up Wiz) before the showdown with our old friend Ben Wallace and the Cavaliers. So far I'm really enjoying what Gooden and Hughes bring to the team, I just want Boylan to show me a little less of it.
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while hughes is still settling
by Mike C on Feb 27, 2008 10:55 PM CST 0 recs
I was wondering what his halftime splits were
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Feb 27, 2008 11:00 PM CST
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Or
Can he get to the free throw line or what? Even Travis Deiner was getting to the line.
I was surprised with Ben's ball handling in the 4th. I was expecting more turnovers. He didn't have that many - 3 for the game - but he still seemed unsure of what to do with the ball getting pressed out 8 feet beyond the arc by the Pacers big trailing the screening Bulls player.
When that perimeter screen comes Ben has to get better at either dribbling to juke his man or faster to blow right past him.
Heck, even Mike Dunleavey was living at the line in the 4th quarter.
by NBA Observer on
Feb 28, 2008 8:54 AM CST
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yeah
hughes should have taken more advantage too. most of his free throws were in the first half (he got fouled on like 3 consecutive plays including that clear path diener foul)...
but that's one thing. they NEVER take advantage of being in the penalty. i've complained about that before.
i'm surprised the free throw difference was only 6. seemed like they were getting to the line a lot.
by Jaina on
Feb 28, 2008 9:02 AM CST
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Perimeter Screens
by Gene Banks on
Feb 28, 2008 9:31 AM CST
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Sounds dead on.
by Kemp on Feb 27, 2008 11:15 PM CST 0 recs
Gooden and Hughes
A guy that can create his own shots and make plays for teammates with his passing, gets to the foul line, good slasher, big guard, very good defender, good scorer
And a guy that can score inside, has to be guarded, you can post him up (First real post option we have had in 5 years), very good rebounder on both ends, and a very good option to run pick and roll with, athletic true power forward, solid passer from inside and he can get to the line himself..... unlike Big Ben, you have to guard him inside and he's a true post-up and pick/roll option that can score in all those ways. That opens up alot for our other talent, especially when compared to Big Ben.
Those were two big needs for us. That's a helluva acquisition both in their 20's in return for our two oldest players that had no longterm plans with us, we got much better for the future with that move and alot better for the rest of this year as well. VERY NICE TO SEE!
IM PERSONALLY LOVING THE ROTATION! TY AND NOAH GET THEIR MINUTES TO DEVELOP, AND WE'RE PLAYING THE BEST PLAYERS TO CLOSE IN ORDER tO wiN! Great job!
by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Feb 27, 2008 11:32 PM CST 0 recs
A little support
Yes, the team responded and the minutes given to each guy are reasonable. No need to bash on anybody since they all were decent. Just remember they were the Pacers -who seem to have a secret recipe to blow games in the 4th quarter. And the key presences were Larry -clawing back in the 3rd quarter after the Pacers made a run- and Noce -pulling away in the 4th quarter.
by Sky on
Feb 28, 2008 9:23 AM CST
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My boy Deng
by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Feb 27, 2008 11:33 PM CST 0 recs
Getting there
by Sky on
Feb 28, 2008 9:37 AM CST
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I believe Deng's patented pull-up
He needs to change it up a bit. I've seen him occasionally drive it all the way to the hole, but I haven't seen him try the tear drop runner in those situations.
He's getting there, but he's not quite back yet. And he needs to show us more--more production, more versatility, more spectacular plays, everything--if he ever is going to break through to that next level.
by bullhockey on
Feb 28, 2008 10:32 AM CST
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Are you correcting for the achilles tendonitis?
by NBA Observer on
Feb 28, 2008 10:47 AM CST
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Shouldn't have been so close
Those flaws were covered up by Hughes' scoring, but will haunt them when he's not hot. When Gooden was out there, they didn't get him the ball at all on the block, preferring to have BG and Larry dribble out the shot clock. Only in the 4th quarter did Ben start to penetrate and find cutters. Of course, if Deng can cut on the baseline without the ball, why can't Tyrus?
Not sure what happened with Kirk, but the the anti-Duhon population must have enjoyed seeing just how disengaged he was at every dead ball. He knew that there was absolutely no chance that he would get in.
by Gene Banks on Feb 27, 2008 11:46 PM CST 0 recs
I didnt like that either
Like you said, they dont give it to him on the block when he has his man sealed and has good position either and I hate that, but I dotn think the bulls know how to play inside/out after 2+ years of Ben Wallace inside...... and I cant blame them.
So yeah, I agree with you. Gotta go to Drew more in the post, he's got some skills. A good pointguard on the floor with him instead of the BG/LH backcourt would help things alot as well, get Hinrich out there in one of their places and that will change in a HUGE HUGE way.
by Deng is the next Bull superstar on
Feb 28, 2008 12:11 AM CST
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Where was this all season?
I think I saw this baseline cut by a Bulls wing player more times last night than I have seen it all season.
by NBA Observer on
Feb 28, 2008 8:57 AM CST
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Deng and Thomas are two different players
Which is why you can't turn Thomas into a Marion clone and why Thomas isn't a SF. Deng has a lot more in common with Marion than Thomas does. Thomas is a guy you have to give the ball to offensively and let him create. Which is why the Deng/Thomas pairing should work nicely with Thomas with the ball and Deng cutting off of him. But, the team has to consistently give Thomas the ball 1st.
by Scotter on
Feb 28, 2008 11:24 AM CST
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That's my point
I also wouldn't trust Thomas' handle right now. He is much more likely than Deng to dribble himself into trouble and fumble it away. Too often, the ball sticks in his hands and we're left watching an awkward attempt at a finish.
That's not to diminish his ability to get to the cup and draw a foul, I just don't want to foreclose the opportunity to get 3-4 easy baskets a game capitalizing on his athleticism.
by Gene Banks on
Feb 28, 2008 2:40 PM CST
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we also saw a lob pass
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Feb 28, 2008 11:28 AM CST
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Progress
Hughes did some good things out there. He also did some chucking. He apparently, like so many other Bulls players, is not afraid of pulling up for the 20+ footer while running the 1-2 on 4 break with no one near the hoop to rebound.
Gooden was a ball hawk and a rebound magnet, especially in the second half. It seemed like the ball couldn't come down anywhere but where he was.
Gordon did a better job distributing the ball than we are accustomed to seeing. Then again, when you're shooting poorly, and you have legitimate reason to be concerned about staying on the floor, it is probably only natural that you look to contribute in some other way. I kind of wish he would do that more often, but I guess competition might force him to.
Moving forward, it is the actions of Boylan that I think spoke loudest about how the rest of the season will play out. He clearly loves himself some Drew Gooden, which is alright I guess unless the guy who goes to the bench in favor of Gooden has serious potential(which our boy Tyrus Thomas does). If Drew must be out there, then how about a little less Aaron Gray? Like none.
I think the writing is on the wall. Drew will eventually be handed the starting PF job. I'm guessing Thabo is not long for his starting gig either. It's a shame, too, because I think the lineups of the last few games had some potential. I would be agreeable to Kirk, Thabo, Deng, TT, Noah, Gooden, Gordon, Hughes and Nocioni all sharing time equally. We've got some good depth, but there is a serious dropoff after these guys. So let's roll with them. And for Christ's sake Paxson, get Boylan the fuck out of there if he won't.
by MarketMaker on Feb 28, 2008 12:24 AM CST 0 recs
I wish Hughes to play like this
Cavs fans don't realize what they got in Corpse.
Do they know his nickname yet?
P.S.Any information about Khryapa?The guy would burryed even deeper after this trade.
by Azabullsfan on Feb 28, 2008 12:57 AM CST 0 recs
Veektor signed with CSKA Moscow
http://mnweekly.ru/sport/20080221/55311158.html
by NBA Observer on
Feb 28, 2008 9:00 AM CST
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i was there to...
by bullzfan148 on Feb 28, 2008 6:03 AM CST 0 recs
Not mentioned yet
by paxson43 on Feb 28, 2008 6:16 AM CST 0 recs
Yes he did
by sue369 on
Feb 28, 2008 6:44 AM CST
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I thought something had happened.
by cranscape on
Feb 28, 2008 7:15 AM CST
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Och, never mind.
by cranscape on
Feb 28, 2008 7:17 AM CST
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He did
by sue369 on
Feb 28, 2008 7:44 AM CST
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No the article
by sue369 on
Feb 28, 2008 7:48 AM CST
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I watched the play a few times
Granger rolled from right wing to the baseline to run around a double screen. He was looking to get the ball at the free throw line at the left elbow. He didn't get the ball because Nocioni was glued to him. When the ball was dribbled to the left perimeter, Granger whipped his left elbow right at Noc's face. Granger even cocked his elbow just prior to hitting Noc in the nose.
Granger was frustrated by Noc all night. The only shots he was getting were 3 point attempts. 16 of his 10 shots were from the 3 point territory.
by NBA Observer on
Feb 28, 2008 9:07 AM CST
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Noc was riding him
by Gene Banks on
Feb 28, 2008 9:10 AM CST
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There was a play
by NBA Observer on
Feb 28, 2008 9:13 AM CST
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Along with what was mentioned above,
When that didn't work, he abandoned calling for the ball on the left block and cut through the lane. He was coming through the lane and hit Noc in the face, right near the free throw line.
The refs last night were particularly bad with some calls and non-calls against the Bulls. They tried to make up for it later with some calls/non-calls against the Pacers, but this doesn't change the fact that Noc got 'cheap shotted' in plain sight with no repercussions to Granger. I hope the league looks at this.
We all pick on Noc for boneheaded roaming on defense, but what gets lost is that other than his roaing, he can be a really good man-to-man defender. It drives people like Jermaine O'Neal and Vince Carter crazy, which is why it's popular to hate him. You'd hope the refs see through this, but it doesn't seem like they do.
by bullhockey on
Feb 28, 2008 10:41 AM CST
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I like this defense
Granger's their best player with O'neal on the shelf.
by NBA Observer on
Feb 28, 2008 10:54 AM CST
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I'm pretty sure Rodman
He may have been cheapshotted, but I was pretty peeved seeing the refs take 5 minutes just to talk to Noc, and then have to hear Hinrich chirping from the bench for good measure. I can't believe that the Bulls get any favors from the officials mainly because of the way those two behave.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Feb 28, 2008 11:05 AM CST
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Noc was on fire
by Sky on
Feb 28, 2008 9:17 AM CST
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Whatever happened with Hinrich...
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 28, 2008 8:46 AM CST 0 recs
Hinrich couldn't guard Diener
I think Boylan had points and defensive expectations that were very high for Kirk last night. He didn't come close to meeting those expectations so Boylan sat him.
The quick foul in the 2nd half didn't help Kirk get a chance.
by NBA Observer on
Feb 28, 2008 9:10 AM CST
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in fact
however, his game wasn't a total bust. 6 pts (2-2 on 3s, only took 1 other shot), 3 assists, 2 steals.
he wasn't being as aggressive as that night, since he only took 3 shots, which may have been the cause for the hook. and he was being beat. but for only playing 16 min his stats aren't awful.
by Jaina on
Feb 28, 2008 9:18 AM CST
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oh
by Jaina on
Feb 28, 2008 9:21 AM CST
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Yeah, and if that's the case
Boylan is REALLY bad...
by Bass on
Feb 28, 2008 9:24 AM CST
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right
by Jaina on
Feb 28, 2008 9:26 AM CST
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That was one of my objections to the whole thing
But I'm still more curious about the post-game comments. Boylan has been so careful since he took over to be ultra-positive, even when it has sounded idiotic. Lots of "we competed" and "riding the hot hand" - so I find it interesting that he didn't go that route last night. Given his history, I would have expected it to be more of a "Kirk was a little off to start the second half, then other guys got hot and I went with them." It should at least limit the Kirk-as-teacher's-pet comments, since this is the second time Boylan has been (for him) a little hard-ass with Kirk. (The first being that whole "earn your way back in after injury" thing)
by wjb1492 on
Feb 28, 2008 9:54 AM CST
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Indeed
by piccolomair on
Feb 28, 2008 11:09 AM CST
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either hinrich or gordon..
by Jaina on
Feb 28, 2008 11:12 AM CST
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Most of the time
by piccolomair on
Feb 28, 2008 11:33 AM CST
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sending a message
by El Toro de Goro on
Feb 28, 2008 12:10 PM CST
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Is it good coaching
by piccolomair on
Feb 28, 2008 12:20 PM CST
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That was an awkward sequence
I thought Hughes had injured himself.
by NBA Observer on
Feb 28, 2008 12:38 PM CST
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If it means anything
by piccolomair on
Feb 28, 2008 12:49 PM CST
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Boylan has saved me.
by tyger1147 on Feb 28, 2008 9:09 AM CST 0 recs
that's true
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Feb 28, 2008 9:13 AM CST
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For what it's worth...
by tyger1147 on Feb 28, 2008 9:12 AM CST 0 recs
Anyone think....
A thought anyway.
by tyger1147 on Feb 28, 2008 9:25 AM CST 0 recs
There's just that little problem of money...
by wjb1492 on
Feb 28, 2008 9:37 AM CST
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Right
the main problem is are we really going to commit 10+ mil a year to someone we've deemed a bench guy? i just don't see it.
and i'm ok with thabo coming off the bench as long as he gets minutes in. a gordon/sef backcourt could be very turnover prone though. and in a way it's for that that maybe he should come off the bench. he needs to reduce his traveling calls. he looks great out there and i really like thabo, and if he gets decent minutes off the bench, but there's a couple things he needs to improve and if he gets minutes coming off the bench, that's okay with me.
by Jaina on
Feb 28, 2008 9:48 AM CST
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ok
by Jaina on
Feb 28, 2008 9:49 AM CST
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we dont need gordon anymore
by Jbasic89 on
Feb 28, 2008 9:51 AM CST
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This team struggled scoring with Gordon
by tyger1147 on
Feb 28, 2008 9:53 AM CST
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When has Hughes been good?
by tyger1147 on
Feb 28, 2008 9:55 AM CST
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Gordon is the best
by piccolomair on
Feb 28, 2008 11:14 AM CST
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Money for sure.
Anyway, I like Thabo more than Hughes, too, but I don't think there's anyway of getting rid of Hughes and his contract. And Gordon is way better than Thabo.
by tyger1147 on
Feb 28, 2008 9:51 AM CST
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Transitive math?
Didn't look like that last night when Ben was throwing brick after brick.
by Sky on
Feb 28, 2008 9:55 AM CST
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Not math class, dingus.
by tyger1147 on
Feb 28, 2008 9:56 AM CST
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To explain the logic...
Sheesh.
by tyger1147 on
Feb 28, 2008 9:59 AM CST
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Trade Ben now.
by Sky on
Feb 28, 2008 9:58 AM CST
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