Open Game Thread #56 Bulls at Dallas Mavericks
[UPDATE: You can find my post-game comments here. -Matt]
[Thanks to joemoses for tonight's game thread. -Matt]
Finally, we can play against Jason Kidd with a little height. Thabo and Hughes hopefully will chase Kidd all night. That only leaves us the problem of Josh Howard. Noah should give Dirk a lot of trouble (which should be the matchup, but probably won't. He'll probably be on the larger Dampier). Tyrus has been playing great lately, lets see him get up to 30 minutes. The more Gooden and Hughes play with the team, the better they should blend in. Everybody's healthy enough to play.
Bulls have lost 17 of 19 to the Mavs. They are 23-3 at home this year.
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It was in a
I stepped out for awhile
Guess he's one of your "culprits", eh?
kirk didn't play most of anything
by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
It was on
There are always
I don't know which is more shocking
After much thought...
He's the only one who played the entire 2nd quarter.
by AGBallinisaHabit on Feb 25, 2008 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
I am anxious to see who Boylan rolls out there
the excitement in bulls baskettball is back
Sopcast
by givepaxahug on Feb 25, 2008 7:41 PM CST reply actions
try
You should see links to NBA games.
by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
who was it
Switch these matchups!
that was almost an offensive foul
Not a good night
They'll get flame-broiled if they keep this up
Somebody tell Kidd that Skiles got fired
Lambier is having his way on Noah
Excuse me...DamPier
Tyrus so far
Can we get our best defender under the basket where he belongs?!
Is it scored as a turnover?
by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions
The most boneheaded
by eGirl on Feb 25, 2008 8:16 PM CST up reply actions
I hate when they say a guy
Wow - this sucks so far.
Ben Gordon
by eGirl on Feb 25, 2008 8:27 PM CST up reply actions
This is exactly the type of game situation
Can we get rid of this "no headband"
It's actually a useful device and I see f'n arm sleeves and calf sleeves.
Do it Pax.
BG with a goal tend?
Is he even thinking?
by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
that one
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
maybe wjb can come up
by eGirl on Feb 25, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions
wow
wow
well
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 8:36 PM CST reply actions
one tec
what caused ...
by AGBallinisaHabit on Feb 25, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
KIdd knocked it away from Kirk
boom boom
They were quick technicals.
by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Thanks!
by AGBallinisaHabit on Feb 25, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
happy to be out with the way this game is going
who else
by AGBallinisaHabit on Feb 25, 2008 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
Sue said it wasn't Du...
she's leaving us hanging...
by AGBallinisaHabit on Feb 25, 2008 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
She just didn't wanna mention Kirk earlier
nice throw
somebody has been riding that ref
horrible orriciated game
wow
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 8:42 PM CST reply actions
No ref
by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
how many buzzer beaters do
horrible
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 8:43 PM CST reply actions
The game is too fast for these bozos to keep up.
surprisingly
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
deng
by davebino on Feb 25, 2008 8:47 PM CST reply actions
I hate the defense we play
And what happened to Noah? There one minute, gone the next.
Boylan needs to go.
by Freethefro on Feb 25, 2008 8:49 PM CST reply actions
I wonder if Noah's
If this is how Gooden plays, he needs to
WTF?
Seriously, I'd rather just go with the Core + the Youth.
The Interlopers can provide limited bench minutes.
I thought on Kirk's play
Dallas has benefitted with home court calls on all the questionable out of bounds deflections, and has a few key threes, but don't look good to me. Credit Bull defense or Kidd not acclimated yet? Game should be tied.
I hate being reminded constant now why I hated Drew Gooden's "game". Let's NOT see Du. And where's Noah been? Tyrus on Howard ('tho Deng did fine), Noah on Dirk, Gray or Gooden on Dampier/Lambier (LOL, bullish!). And with Kirk out, (surely even Boylan can figure it out now) Thabo checks Kidd.
I saw the ball off Kirk, too
by eGirl on Feb 25, 2008 9:00 PM CST reply actions
This team can be taken Bullies!
Remember that Jason Terry play
anyone notice the tyrus cuff
Joakim was all over that possesion
I hope`Deng is hurt.
Gooden isn't showing me much.
Hughes takes a lot of quick shots.
The Bulls are pissing away a chance to win this game.
He is -10 plus minus
On offense, he lacks the exlosive slashing that was his trademark.
Game over.
I know they are new, but come on.
Playing teams like the Mavericks
by Freethefro on Feb 25, 2008 9:26 PM CST reply actions
did I just see
Guess who sat when
Does he get it? Can we clone David Thorpe 10 times and get them into the Berto Center. I'm confident that clones of clones will still be able to tell Boylan that Noah is the best player to have on the floor.
Gooden should always use
you absolutely shouldn't do the same thing
Ah Ha! Now I understand.
You can't do the same thing every time? Duh! I used "always" figuratively because it sounded better than "generally' or "most often".
Just because my posts read like they were written by a retard doesn't mean I am retarded. With apologies to all the genuinely retarded posters out there.
why does
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 9:39 PM CST reply actions
Are you a scout?
by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
A bunch of you are such Debbie Downers
Jeeze
Gooden is like a black hole.
His defense is also...eh.
no ball movement
Oh Hughsie.
And BG has dibs on critical turnovers.
two steps and then a hop step
That timeout is good
Gooden and Noah in
Now back to 10.
you can see that
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 9:46 PM CST reply actions
Very sad
so nobody
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 9:46 PM CST reply actions
Why wouldn't Boylan at least TRY Gray
He matches up decently size wize...
To leave Gray on the bench tonight makes no sense.
i have to disagree
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
Gray?
Well no one ELSE has been able to guard him
TRY it I said...
I thought it was only shooting guards
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2008 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
Guess which players have the best +/- right now?
Guess which two players aren't on the floor?
Yeah.
Thus far,
Tyrus = 24 minutes
Dirk
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 9:48 PM CST reply actions
Boylan, you dunce, Noc can't guard Dirk.
boylan put tyrus in
Just catching up with the game.
Just once I'd like to see a close game
Just ONCE....
HUH?!?
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 9:52 PM CST reply actions
sadly
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 9:57 PM CST reply actions
Can Gordon get a pick please?
McGrady once scored 13 points in 33 seconds
You have to feel it
Honeymoon's over
too many
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 10:04 PM CST reply actions
The Bulls have a true knack for frittering
I know the Mavs are good, but it is infuriating to watch the same pattern repeat itself night after night.
12 games under .500 now
I'm feeling bad for Luol
As much as I love the team, it's just poorly built and coached.
by Freethefro on Feb 25, 2008 10:12 PM CST reply actions
once again
I'll have to check the gameflow tomorrow but I think Gooden was something like 3-11 until the 4th period. Hughes finished 4-11, but I do give him some cred for getting 5 FTAs.
I don't get some of the Luol hate tonight, I thought he played pretty well, especially on the boards.
If Noah only received 18 minutes because he was hurt, fine. If it was because of 'matchups', Boylan's an idiot. Noah's the type to play center in a small lineup, you overmatched goof.
At least Duhon (and Gray) didn't play. That's a good first step towards a rotation. Next one: figure out how to get the better guys out there more often.
How about Ben Gordon, jerks? 0 TOs in 37 minutes, and that was playing PG most of his time out there . Ok, he did have that bizarre dribble out the shot-clock posession, which should be his TO.
(I take back the 'jerks' comment, we shouldn't be adversarial over Gordon. I'll just suggest to look at how much better he is than Larry Hughes, and realize how all 'scorers' aren't created equal)
Speaking of, it was almost a blessing that Hinrich was ejected, he had 3 lazy turnovers in his first stint, blech. Tough to climb uphill all game like that.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2008 10:37 PM CST reply actions
did you call Boylan a goof?
by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 11:17 PM CST up reply actions
I think it's appropriately dismissive
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 9:17 AM CST up reply actions
oh and don't forget
by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 11:26 PM CST up reply actions
In the "great moments in Bulls idiocy"
- It's Jason Kidd's wild prayer shot after getting hacked by Hinrich.
- It's Ben "I swear to god I am 6'3 but I play smaller than Iverson" Gordon.
by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Wasn't Boylan listening
The kids were
I'm not that interested in this team with the new guys playing down the stretch. I know the "starters" got down to start (but it got worse when Ty came out), and I know Drew had a "good" 4th (but so did Dirk). I don't care.
sadly I do.
Although how funny would it have been if he led some 2nd half comeback after the Du-defense-society came out of the woodwork today?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2008 11:05 PM CST up reply actions
good call
by davebino on Feb 25, 2008 11:30 PM CST reply actions
Another frustrating loss
Maybe Tyrus can develop into one, but until hes dropping near 30 a night, Bulls need to play near perfect team basketball to win games against good teams. So far, inconsistency rules supreme as they can't win 2 games in a row to save their lives.
by RogersPark Kris on Feb 25, 2008 11:39 PM CST reply actions
Tell me if im wrong
Close out what?
And this time you can't seriously blame Boylan -he gave you the lineup and the minutes most of the bloggers here were asking for.
by Sky on Feb 26, 2008 8:07 AM CST up reply actions
I think people are more unhappy to see gooden...
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 8:27 AM CST up reply actions
oops
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
28 and too many
Remember the first few minutes? He couldn't stop Dirk no matter how he tried. He fouled him right away, then Dirk hit a jumper in front of him, then TT wanted to go for revenge -and Dirk mercilessly blocked him. That was Tyrus last night.
Look. he's a kid, he's got time and he might get better (Might). But he's no savior right now. Hate Boylan all you want but if you really believe TT is going to save the sinking ship right now you're in for a bitter wakeup call.
by Sky on Feb 26, 2008 8:38 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think hes going to save the ship, but....
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 8:43 AM CST up reply actions
How about last night?
As for the young'uns, The "people's starters" lost the game in the first 6 or 7 minutes. It was a 22-6 Mavs start.
Kirk forgetting the ball. TT chasing Dirk -and getting burned over and over. Luol doing... er... did he do anything at all?
Giving the kids the most minutes, at this point, would be tanking. Intentional or not.
by Sky on Feb 26, 2008 8:53 AM CST up reply actions
Ups and Downs, Sky, Ups and Downs
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 8:56 AM CST up reply actions
We didn't make this trade to get the young guys
If that is the case, then why did Paxson EXPLICITLY state that the trade was executed, in part, because he wanted to get Tyrus and Noah on the court?
I guess he was lying.
Your argument that Tyrus had too many minutes last night is completely unfounded. He had the second best +/- rating of any Bull, I believe.
He was a better option than Nocioni
Anybody notice the stretches with Tyrus was in with Noc, that Tyrus was out on the wing guarding Stackhouse and Howard while Noc had Bass (and Deavean George I believe)? I'm sure Boylan was stratching his skull wondering why Tyrus couldn't simultaneously guard wing players and yet also be close to the basket
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
Boylan just doesn't get it
Trading out two bigs logging a lot of minutes and bringing back one big was a trade explicitly to get Noah and Thomas as much PT as possible. Paxson is on this trip. Anyone think he's getting the message?
Can't really say I miss Kirk. In a shade over 11 minutes he had 3 turnovers.
Didn't Boylan say something like...
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
When has Larry Brown ever cared
by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 8:46 AM CST up reply actions
Every team i remember Larry Brown
by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
I hate you...
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 8:51 AM CST up reply actions
Um, what?
Lasts nights preformance
by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 8:38 AM CST reply actions
I remember about a month before the BW signing...
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 8:48 AM CST up reply actions
Actually yeah, and the story gets funnier
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
Hahaha
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 9:11 AM CST up reply actions
I'm new here, someone fill me in...
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
Some do
Does it have to be BG or Kirk?
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
There's a possiblity
by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
not really
I agree
by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
Some BG fans
by KT on Feb 26, 2008 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Dont get me wrong
by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
heh, no kidding
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
WOW Kirk's got a ego?
by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 9:16 AM CST up reply actions
Why is Kirk so bad?
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 9:18 AM CST up reply actions
Kirk IS the man now
Kirs at least cares about losing. He is out of control sometimes but he brings a god deal of toughness and energy. Who else? BG? He's even more selfish and would gladly watch the team going down as long as he makes his money. Luol? He's got talent but he can't lead a HS team. We should know that by now. TT? Poor kid, the overbloated expectations are going to crush him. Plus I doubt he's got his fundamentals solid enough. Noce? Don't make me laugh.
Kirk may not be the leader we want but he's the closest to the job we have now.
by Sky on Feb 26, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
I guess throwing a hissy-fit
by RogersPark Kris on Feb 26, 2008 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
uh, not quite
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 10:17 AM CST up reply actions
The "White Kobe Bryant"
cheats on his wife - check!
significantly inferior at the game of basketball - check!
Huh?
by 1958ChiTown on Feb 26, 2008 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe I have
I dont' think you have mentioned it.
Oh, boy....lan.
On the one hand, Paxson and Boylan state that the goal of the franchise is to make the playoffs.
On the other hand, Boylan is acting as if we are in game three of the season and he has time to experiment with trash lineups.
There are 26 games left in the season and the Bulls are 12 games under five hundred. What am I missing? Now is not the time to "throw stuff against the wall."
Link...
as HSCS points out
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
I think Hughes and Kirk should have a contest
Meanwhile, Gooden can have a league wide competition with Zach Randolph to determine which player passes least out of the post.
I'm not impressed with Gooden
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
I will say that his post offense
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
true
Way too many minutes for him though.
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 26, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
I still think Gooden/Hughes belong somewhere behind the guys who were all ready here.
Thabo/BG > Hughes.
by ForWhomTheBullTolls on Feb 26, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Gooden
Joe Smith is a better player.
funny quote
http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/15973357.html?page=all&c=y
I think Joe's having the better season, but isn't the better value. Maybe to the Cavs, who don't mind having an old jumpshooter for a playoff push. The have LeBron, rules are different :-/
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Gooden
by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
that's a
here are his KU stats - http://www.rockchalk.com/jayhawks/goodeand.sht
here are his pro stats - http://www.nba.com/playerfile/drew_gooden/career_stats.html
he had a decent senior year...he puts up decent numbers and is a serviceable "big man"
curious...what makes you call him "lazy"?
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 26, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
P.S. I want to make clear that I am NOT
I just think those two (especially Gooden) need to have their minutes limited.
I never thought about that
by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
It shouldn't come as a surprise
by eGirl on Feb 26, 2008 10:18 AM CST reply actions
Don't worry
We get to a bit of an easier schedule right about now.
If they can't make a push now, they never will
current comcast poll
Thabo - 38%
Kirk - 28%
Ben - 23%
Hughes - 8%
only 226 votes so far, but pretty interesting what the "fans" think
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 26, 2008 10:48 AM CST reply actions
and i feel like
Right on
by Sky on Feb 26, 2008 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
nah
It's the pther guys
by Sky on Feb 26, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Hughes has been terrible for
Last night's game was
1 slowly dribbles up. Find 2 or 3 coming off baseline screen. Elevate for shot before passing it at last second, for a turnover. Or reverse ball or find cutter cross court, for a turnover.
What about pick-and-rolls, iso's and interior passing? It seems like the Bulls need to just stop the plague of the lateral, perimater passing. And scrap Skiles' play book if it says otherwise.
that's kinda
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 26, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Well I guess I'm just wondering
Plus, isn't Hughes supposed to be a slasher? Clear out and let the man slash once in a while. Have him go to the rim and at the very least draw a foul.
I was under the impression that the Bulls avoided this play because they didn't have a big guard who could finish those types of plays, and their small guards weren't getting the calls because they were, well, small.
The black hole offense
I watch my Bulls and it appears that there is almost no strategy at all. There's no signs of basketball IQ. Does anyone know their personnel? Do they spot mismatches? When they see the mismatch can they get the ball into the post?
You watch the Mavs and you see how their offense is run explicitly to get mismatches. That's the entire offense except for finding Josh Howard or Stackhouse to shoot it from anywhere. Dirk needs a PG like Malone needed a PG.
Dirk's a superstar, but he gets away with illegal screens 4 out of 5 times. He leans on the guard when he's setting a screen with his hands. A foul in the NBA rulebook, but a no call in real-time.
Maybe the team needs chapperones off the court. I'd convert them all to Latter Day Saints if that meant no partying when you're 12 games under .500.
by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
The Mavs
If we had a guy like Dirk on our squad (we don't by a long shot, and few teams do) we could try to run mismatches.
Reall Dallas is run by having 1 or 2 spot up shooters, a little offense Center and Dirk moving the ball and controlling the offense.
Having Jason Kidd makes them ever the more deadly because Kidd can make a guy like Joakim Noah look like an offensive threat with Kidd's ability to see through holes, anticipate defenders next move, make sharp, crisp, perfect, extreme difficult passes seem easy, and he also gets you 7-10 defensive boards a night that help him see the court from the entire court....he's just a special player.
If we had a Dirk on our team, we could have no strategy but make it look like a strategy.
Lately with Boylan (much as I dislike him for his substitution patters) you can tell that he's at least got the guys moving around. Our guys played 4 years in the drive and kick Skiles offense....this year for whatever reason we forgot or were no longer able to do our drive and kick game, and we had for a long time there a bounce the ball and let the clock tick down then force a prayer and hope to get fouled mindset.....
I think Boylan's at least got the guys moving around. Maybe having the uber athletic Tyrus and THabo out there helps with this, but it seems we're at least trying to change our old style....
These things take time, especially when you incorporate really 5 new guys into the rotation (Gooden, Hughes, and for all intents and purposes given more minutes to Thomas, THabo, and Noah)....
I do think Boylan is an issue as his sub patterns can be really bad (heck our announcers were like, "Um I guess he wants to give Gordon a break here for the 3 minute stretch run, not really sure why since it seems now is the time we need his scoring"....
I also think a more seasoned pro with a new offense could really fix this club. We have a gluttony of talented guards, and now seem to have a nice mix of young bigs. Getting a Nellie or Phil type coach is tough, but there are some out there. Boylan's "Skiles Light" mentality isn't good enough if we want to compete.
Zenmaster to Chicago!
It could happen.
by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Stranger things have happened
by Sky on Feb 26, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
This trade may not have injected new life
by Freethefro on Feb 26, 2008 11:28 AM CST reply actions
1958chitown
Gooden is a GOOD PASSER. He makes very good passes out of the post FREQUENTLY, but if the double-team doesnt come than the right play is to SCORE. WHICH HE DID, and right when Dallas was cheating towards a double-team on the 4th stright post-up Gooden made a nice move for the take but it rimmed out, and we didnt go to him again.
So we havent seen it yet, I have Leaguepass (YOU OBVIOULSY DONT), Gooden is a very good passer. His first year in Cleveland he was utilized correctly and he averaged 15 and 10 a night for a playoff team at 23 years old. He hasnt been utilized correctly this year, if he is used right here than he and we will THRIVE with him giving us the lowpost dimension as our 3rd option.
Wanna talk about a blakc hole? NOW KEVIN MCHALE: THAT WAS ONE SERIOUS BLACK HOLE! What a bum he was, huh?
AND SKY: I agree with you, the Kids got good minutes, the minutes they should get, and it wasnt the purpose of the trade. It was a factor, a secondary purpose, if you will.
I basically agree with EVERYTHING YOU SAID, Sky.
by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Feb 26, 2008 2:38 PM CST reply actions
comprehension?
1958 wasn't arguing that Gooden was a bad passer. He was saying he wasn't passing.
You don't have to pass just because a double team is coming. You don't have to wait for a double team to pass the ball. You can pass out, reposition yourself deeper in the post, and call for the ball back.
Drew Gooden is no Zach Randolph though. Zachary Boseph Randolph is THE black hole of the NBA.
by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions
hey!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
I was being serious, btw
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, dear.
Gooden a passer
and this
And he is a FAR FAR FAR different player than Zach Randolph. More athletic, more size, not quite as good moves in the lowpost on offense, much better passer from inside or high-post, much more willing passer, much better running the floor, better on the pick and roll (MUCH BETTER HANDS, and alot more athletic to finish, sets better picks too), not as good range on his jumper as Zach, Zach has a better work ethic (Scottie Pippen said that Zach Randolph worked harder than any player he's ever played with except Jordan...), Drew is MUCH BETTER on defense man-to-man, and Drew is an average help defender where-as Zach is a bad help defender.
And many more differences, etcetera.
by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Feb 26, 2008 2:42 PM CST reply actions
link me please
I need to see this quote.
by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
I've heard it before
For all we know Randolph works very hard on his own, it's likely his favorite time, where those pesky 'teammates' aren't around to mess things up.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
For my shrine to Pippen
by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
I am from ohio.....
maybe Boylan will help him stay under the basket
It's been easy to see the good and bad with Gooden. The solution, as always, is play him less. Judging by his career, eventually the bad outweighs the good if you keep him out there too long. Doesn't mean he's not a good frontcourt rotation player for the 1 year he'll be around.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 2:55 PM CST up reply actions
Gooden may be a great piece to move...
Last night Boylan went small
Let Tyrus guard Dirk. Dirk will score, but keeping Tyrus on Dirk will help Tyrus develop. This is why the east playoff picture is a drug. Reinsdorf still demands playoffs and the East just keeps on losing to make it appear we're close.
by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
that was so awful
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
heh, I mentioned Thorpe
by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'm one of the new guys
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions
I'm one of the new guys
by KirkHinrump on Feb 27, 2008 8:15 AM CST up reply actions
What's funny to me about the small lineup
Instead of "small ball lineup," it should be renamed the "one and done bad jumpshooting squad." That would also vindicate giving Duhon any playing time at all for that lineup.
by RogersPark Kris on Feb 26, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions
What's to hate more?
I hate the 3 guard more.
by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 3:35 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
by RogersPark Kris on Feb 26, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions
How about this 3-guard lineup?
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions
Deng could not play shooting guard
by RogersPark Kris on Feb 26, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Deng
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Im just saying
Here is the link by the way: http://slamonline.com/online/2006/09/44-zach-randolph/
its right at the beginning of the story
by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Feb 26, 2008 3:03 PM CST reply actions
Seriously, though...
yes it has been easy...
I agree van lier
That is PLENTY time to develop, while giving us the best chance to win by far.
Gooden has been a 15ppg/10rpg power forward on 50% shooting for a playoff team in the past, and that was in less minutes per game. And that was with him as the 3rd option, and 2nd option in the post behind Ilguaskas. I think we should give him a chance, but that is just me. If we get him inside at all times and playing a Boozer-like game than it could pay huge dividends and he may thrive with Kirk in the screen/roll.
Give him a chance.
by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Feb 26, 2008 3:10 PM CST reply actions
My reasoning is a little different
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Who wants to bury Gooden on the bench?
Ummm, I didn't say that
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry, wasn't clear in my statement
ARE YOU KIDDING ME TYRUS????
Give me a break.
by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Feb 26, 2008 3:11 PM CST reply actions
dont get too excited
forgot to mention that. Also, please reply to this
even if he was your 1st option
by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Feb 26, 2008 3:12 PM CST reply actions
Sorry about that
by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Feb 26, 2008 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
I dont know much about this either...
Ok Deng-man, really?
by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 3:17 PM CST up reply actions
4 assists were not the average
And that "reply to this" button/link can only help you.
by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions
He averaged
And yes, i do think it was because he didnt fit in Clevelands system after the first year. Big Z got more healthy and they went to him instead, making a jumpshooting PF that can pull a big out of the paint to give Big Z more room to operate and pull a big out of the paint for Lebron's drives (like Joe Smith for instance could do)a much better fit for them than a lowpost pf like Gooden.
Thats why his numbers went from 14.5ppg/9.3rpg/2apg on 50% field goals with a 19.7 per down to what they were this year. IMHO.
by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Feb 26, 2008 3:29 PM CST reply actions
What in God's name are you blathering about?
Gooden's career assist average is 1.1. The highest he ever averaged in a season was 1.6. The lowest was .7.
So Boozer's career average is more than TWICE as high as Gooden.
And averaging one measly mf'ing assist a game over your career doesn't make you a good passer, even from the four spot.
Damn.
no..
You ain't missing much
by Sky on Feb 26, 2008 4:09 PM CST up reply actions

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