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Open Game Thread #56 Bulls at Dallas Mavericks

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[UPDATE: You can find my post-game comments here. -Matt]

[Thanks to joemoses for tonight's game thread. -Matt]

Finally, we can play against Jason Kidd with a little height.  Thabo and Hughes hopefully will chase Kidd all night.  That only leaves us the problem of Josh Howard. Noah should give Dirk a lot of trouble (which should be the matchup, but probably won't.  He'll probably be on the larger Dampier).  Tyrus has been playing great lately, lets see him get up to 30 minutes.  The more Gooden and Hughes play with the team, the better they should blend in. Everybody's healthy enough to play.  

Bulls have lost 17 of 19 to the Mavs.  They are 23-3 at home this year.  

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I hope the
lineup is the same as the last two games. I read a couple of the guys partied after they landed in Dallas last night. They had better be ready to go tonight.

by sue369 on Feb 25, 2008 7:04 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i...
... hope it was CDU partying it up last night... that way boylan has a reason to keep him on the bench... and the pics show up next week at www.benchduhon.com...

by leeac on Feb 25, 2008 7:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was in a
news alert that I get. One of the culprits is gone for the rest of the game. The other one played half of the first quarter and all of the second. There were others with them but they weren't named.

by sue369 on Feb 25, 2008 8:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I stepped out for awhile
and came back to a Kirk-less game.

Guess he's one of your "culprits", eh?

Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Feb 25, 2008 9:41 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

kirk didn't play most of anything
but Sue needs to fess up to who it was.  or at least link to something.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 11:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was on
a blog. It's up to you if you want to believe it but the way Kirk played last night makes it pretty believable.

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=563488

by sue369 on Feb 26, 2008 8:52 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

do you believe the story
and if you do, does it change your opinion on anything?
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 26, 2008 9:37 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There are always
two sides to every story. I beleive that they were drinking but I'm not sure about the other stuff. If that is true his wife deserves better.

by sue369 on Feb 26, 2008 9:42 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's not
actually the first time i've read (on a forum like that) that kirk cheats on his wife.

by Jaina on Feb 26, 2008 9:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know which is more shocking
Kirk might be a dirtbag, or Sue may or may not be a hardcore gambler....
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 26, 2008 9:45 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not
the first time I've read them either.

by sue369 on Feb 26, 2008 9:49 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It seems he was...
at least according to that story.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 26, 2008 9:19 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

After much thought...
it makes complete sense that Joakim would go out and celebrate his birthday.  At least moral is high and the team is supportive. :/

He's the only one who played the entire 2nd quarter.

And the starting line up for your world champion Chicago Bulls. . .

by AGBallinisaHabit on Feb 25, 2008 11:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

big game
lets get this one!!
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 25, 2008 7:36 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

deng!!
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 25, 2008 7:37 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes!
Deng, TT, Noah, Thabo and Kirk
Things can only get better! http:\playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Feb 25, 2008 7:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the excitement in bulls baskettball is back
hopefully
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 25, 2008 7:39 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sopcast
Hey. I am a new user to sopcast. How do you view nba tv, or more importanly, the bulls on there? Help!

by givepaxahug on Feb 25, 2008 7:41 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

try
www dot channelsurfing dot net using Internet Explorer.

You should see links to NBA games.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 9:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who was it
I wanna know. Second night of a back to back and guys out kicking it wow.

by Blacknight23 on Feb 25, 2008 7:41 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Switch these matchups!
Noah should be guarding Dirk!  ... he did well last time against him.  Tyrus should be on Dampier underneath the hoop.

by YaoPau on Feb 25, 2008 7:43 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that was almost an offensive foul
 on dirk
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 25, 2008 7:47 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not a good night
for the Bulls shooting % to be down...
They'll get flame-broiled if they keep this up
Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Feb 25, 2008 7:54 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Somebody tell Kidd that Skiles got fired
He doesn't have to torch the Bulls anymore.

by Big D on Feb 25, 2008 7:57 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lambier is having his way on Noah
he's CLOBBERED Noah twice and not been called for it.
Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Feb 25, 2008 7:59 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excuse me...DamPier
Shows how much I (don't) care about Dallas...
Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Feb 25, 2008 8:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what is it with Kidd
and the bulls making him look like an all-star?  oh, wait...
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 7:59 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tyrus so far
has guarded Dirk, Stackhouse, and Josh Howard - three jumpshooters.

Can we get our best defender under the basket where he belongs?!

by YaoPau on Feb 25, 2008 8:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did BG just dribble himself
into a shotclock violation?
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 8:12 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it scored as a turnover?
Should be.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 8:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The most boneheaded
dribbling miscue of the season.  Just ridiculous.

by eGirl on Feb 25, 2008 8:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate when they say a guy
on the other team is in a "slump" before the game starts (Josh Howard tonight), somehow that guy seems to always turns it around against us and end up on fire. Very frustrating.

by Ugh It Live! on Feb 25, 2008 8:16 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow - this sucks so far.
At least I won't be so sad to sit through the second half of my social-psych seminar now...
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Feb 25, 2008 8:17 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ben Gordon
the basketball version of manic-depressive.

by eGirl on Feb 25, 2008 8:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is exactly the type of game situation
BG needs to get himself going.  The fact that he only took 3 shots in his first 8+ minute is a little disturbing.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 8:21 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can we get rid of this "no headband"
 rule already?

It's actually a useful device and I see f'n arm sleeves and calf sleeves.

Do it Pax.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 8:31 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lu
should be back in this game

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 8:32 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BG with a goal tend?
Isn't that, by definition, impossible?  It has to be above the rim doesn't it?
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 8:33 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is he even thinking?
He was never going to block that shot.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 8:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that one
even made me scratch my head...bonehead play

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 8:35 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe wjb can come up
with a name that truly captures the crazy extremes of Ben Gordon.  Just when your about to throw your tv out the window he nails a clutch 3, and you set it back down on the ledge.

by eGirl on Feb 25, 2008 8:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Where's Joakim?
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 8:34 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow
that was kind of ridiculous.  Guess all that top 10 talk was a little premature...
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 8:35 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dust him off
Will Duhon play?
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 8:36 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow
quick hook, still no respect by the refs
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 25, 2008 8:36 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well
it looks like we might see Du in the 2nd half  :)

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 8:36 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

one tec
would of been sufficient, but one more sentence and he was gone...damn you star power!!!
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 25, 2008 8:37 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what caused ...
the two technicals? I can't watch the game and I'm dying to know...someone details please
And the starting line up for your world champion Chicago Bulls. . .

by AGBallinisaHabit on Feb 25, 2008 8:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KIdd knocked it away from Kirk
on the dribble.  The refs saw it the other way.  Kirk pleaded his case.  He probably used a four letter word.  Got t'd up.  Started to get in Monty McCutchen's face, used another four letter word, and got tossed.

boom boom

They were quick technicals.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 8:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks!
Glad to see him step up and at least defend himself, he probably is happy to be out with the way this game is going.
And the starting line up for your world champion Chicago Bulls. . .

by AGBallinisaHabit on Feb 25, 2008 8:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

happy to be out with the way this game is going
Naa....he's probably happy to be out 'cuz he's got a hangover...
Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Feb 25, 2008 9:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who else
went out with kirk and duh...i assume duh...
And the starting line up for your world champion Chicago Bulls. . .

by AGBallinisaHabit on Feb 25, 2008 9:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sue said it wasn't Du...
for the record
Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Feb 25, 2008 9:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

she's leaving us hanging...
I am surprised it wasn't Du...Kirk, that clown.
And the starting line up for your world champion Chicago Bulls. . .

by AGBallinisaHabit on Feb 25, 2008 9:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

She just didn't wanna mention Kirk earlier
'cuz that's her boy...
Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Feb 25, 2008 10:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice throw
drew!!  you're playing the wrong sport
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 25, 2008 8:38 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a little testy
are we?
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 25, 2008 8:39 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

somebody has been riding that ref
because he is looking to give anybody and everybody a tech.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 8:39 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Watch out for Stack, Lu!
He'll take you down from behind and break your face!

by marionette on Feb 25, 2008 8:39 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha
way to fan the flames Noce...

by Ugh It Live! on Feb 25, 2008 8:40 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

horrible orriciated game
that ball was out on mr wayans
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 25, 2008 8:41 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow
did anyone just notice the ref in the Bulls huddle just then??

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 8:42 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

which one?
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 25, 2008 8:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No ref
But there is a towel boy.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 8:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

after that first quarter
it could be a lot worse.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 8:43 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Two transitions in a row
zero points.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 8:43 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how many buzzer beaters do
the bulls get put on them?   Seriously, i want to see a stat for that...
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 25, 2008 8:43 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

horrible
defense by Lu on Stackhouse...he basically escorted him to the 3 spot

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 8:43 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

surprisingly
the Mavs have more fouls than Chicago...11 to 8

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 8:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

deng
Don't call out deng, hes the only one that PICKED UP THE GUY WITH THE BALL!!  4.4 seconds left and only deng is following this guy?  Where is EVERYONE'S heads at??  Boylan needs to lay into these guys and get them to play defense...the 2nd quarter was good, but we need to play much better defense in order to win the game.  

by davebino on Feb 25, 2008 8:47 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate the defense we play
I can live with having an off game in terms of shooting.  But when you continually leave perimeter shooters open, it's just awful.  The next coach of the Bulls better be able to address that.  

And what happened to Noah?  There one minute, gone the next.  

Boylan needs to go.

by Freethefro on Feb 25, 2008 8:49 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wonder if Noah's
ankle is bothering him? Maybe they will make a come back in the second half. They did try in the second quarter. Jesus it was ugly for most of the game.

by sue369 on Feb 25, 2008 8:53 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If this is how Gooden plays, he needs to
have his minutes severely limited.

WTF?

Seriously, I'd rather just go with the Core + the Youth.

The Interlopers can provide limited bench minutes.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 25, 2008 8:56 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought on Kirk's play
it was off him. But I guess it must not have been! Or Kidd probably fouled his arm? Pretty dumb to get 2 at once, Kirk.

Dallas has benefitted with home court calls on all the questionable out of bounds deflections, and has a few key threes, but don't look good to me. Credit Bull defense or Kidd not acclimated yet? Game should be tied.

I hate being reminded constant now why I hated Drew Gooden's "game". Let's NOT see Du. And where's Noah been? Tyrus on Howard ('tho Deng did fine), Noah on Dirk, Gray or Gooden on Dampier/Lambier (LOL, bullish!). And with Kirk out, (surely even Boylan can figure it out now) Thabo checks Kidd.

by marionette on Feb 25, 2008 8:58 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw the ball off Kirk, too
But I think you must be right, that Kirk felt Kidd fouled him.

by eGirl on Feb 25, 2008 9:00 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

kidd got his forearm
it was pretty clear on the dallas feed.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 9:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This team can be taken Bullies!
Dallas just doesn't look right to me minus D Harris. What is it, six pts now?

by marionette on Feb 25, 2008 9:04 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Remember that Jason Terry play
That was the screen defense from Chicago guards that has been off for most of the season.  Yes Tyrus can cheat down, but he has to leave Dirk wide open to do it.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 9:06 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who backs up Dampier
Bass?  Make them miss Diop.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 9:09 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

anyone notice the tyrus cuff
awesome
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 25, 2008 9:09 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joakim was all over that possesion
He helped.  He spaced.  He cut off the lane.  He blocked the shot.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 9:10 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope`Deng is hurt.
Because he has become a ghost.

Gooden isn't showing me much.

Hughes takes a lot of quick shots.

The Bulls are pissing away a chance to win this game.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 25, 2008 9:20 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He is -10 plus minus
He is rebounding well, but that's it.

On offense, he lacks the exlosive slashing that was his trademark.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 25, 2008 9:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Game over.
The Interlopers with back to back TO's.

I know they are new, but come on.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 25, 2008 9:23 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Playing teams like the Mavericks
and Houston sorta shows you what premiere NBA talent is like.  Watching the post-dynasty Bulls for so many years, you forget.  

by Freethefro on Feb 25, 2008 9:26 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I missed it
what happened to Deng, no foul called I assume.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 9:27 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eye scratched
on a rebound. He let out a shriek, but no call, of course.

by marionette on Feb 25, 2008 9:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hughes looked
like he coulda used a headband on those free throws...

by Ugh It Live! on Feb 25, 2008 9:28 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gooden and Hughes
and it's right back up to 10 pts.

by marionette on Feb 25, 2008 9:30 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did I just see
Gordon guarding Dirk? WTF?!
"2nd half Ben Gordon bonanza. It's coming :)" - Matt, Blog-A-Bull

by Goostafer on Feb 25, 2008 9:31 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dirk
was isolated. I'll have to watch that Again...
"2nd half Ben Gordon bonanza. It's coming :)" - Matt, Blog-A-Bull

by Goostafer on Feb 25, 2008 9:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guess who sat when
Boylan wanted to match size for size?

Does he get it?  Can we clone David Thorpe 10 times and get them into the Berto Center.  I'm confident that clones of clones will still be able to tell Boylan that Noah is the best player to have on the floor.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 9:34 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gooden should always use
that turn around fade from close range , unless he's dunking. Like how Noah should always back 'em down and hook it...

by marionette on Feb 25, 2008 9:38 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you absolutely shouldn't do the same thing
everytime, but you should be able to do more than one move anyway.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 9:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah Ha! Now I understand.
Gooden and Noah's face up bricks are intended to set up their real moves!

You can't do the same thing every time? Duh! I used "always" figuratively because it sounded better than "generally' or "most often".

Just because my posts read like they were written by a retard doesn't mean I am retarded. With apologies to all the genuinely retarded posters out there.

by marionette on Feb 25, 2008 10:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

why does
Hughes keep going on top of the screen when he guards Kidd??  Does he know that Kidd can't shoot??  Go under...go under!

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 9:39 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you a scout?
Because you're f'n dead on right.  Hughes is in his 10th NBA season and still doesn't know Jason Kidd's game?
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 8:38 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A bunch of you are such Debbie Downers
for lack of a more evil-hearted, yet "appropriate" term.

Jeeze

"Jerome James PER.. is 46.68... Do that trade now! Screw Horford, we don't need him. Jerome is a monster!!!!!!!!!" - BNeL21

by NittanyBull on Feb 25, 2008 9:39 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gooden is like a black hole.
Once you give it to him in the post, it rarely comes out.

His defense is also...eh.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 25, 2008 9:40 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no ball movement
and then a force by BG. and it is back to eight.  and then Noah gets into the "trying to do too much" mindset.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 9:41 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh Hughsie.
Don't you know that jumping in the air with the ball and then throwing it away is NOC'S role.

And BG has dibs on critical turnovers.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 25, 2008 9:43 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

two steps and then a hop step
is a traveling.  Dwayne Wade could have seen that.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 9:44 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That timeout is good
A good coach would now insert Tyrus Thomas.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 9:45 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gooden and Noah in
BUT BOYLAN HAS GOODEN ON DIRK? That's not gonna bother him and Dampier's strength is more trouble foe Noah. WTF???

Now back to 10.

by marionette on Feb 25, 2008 9:45 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you can see that
they're trying to go inside and get easier shots...but apparently they're not so easy, because they're missing

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 9:46 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very sad
Another loss, this team is terrible, I can't stand watching Gooden and his annoying beard.

by armstrong2389 on Feb 25, 2008 9:46 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so nobody
is guarding Dirk I guess...

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 9:46 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why wouldn't Boylan at least TRY Gray
on Dirk...?
He matches up decently size wize...
To leave Gray on the bench tonight makes no sense.
Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Feb 25, 2008 9:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good one
you had me going for a second.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 9:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i have to disagree
it makes perfect sense...this is an up and down game...Gray would be a liability

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 9:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gray?
Can Gray guard him at the three point line and manage not to get blown by every time?  IMO Gray can't be expected to suddenly get that nimble.

by cranscape on Feb 25, 2008 9:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guess which players have the best +/- right now?
Thabo and Tyrus.

Guess which two players aren't on the floor?

Yeah.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 25, 2008 9:47 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thus far,
Gooden = 33 minutes
Tyrus  = 24 minutes
"Jerome James PER.. is 46.68... Do that trade now! Screw Horford, we don't need him. Jerome is a monster!!!!!!!!!" - BNeL21

by NittanyBull on Feb 25, 2008 9:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dirk
just got a T...don't expect any more calls our way on him the rest of the night

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 9:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boylan, you dunce, Noc can't guard Dirk.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 25, 2008 9:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

boylan put tyrus in
put in tyrus, this lineup needs another big man

by armstrong2389 on Feb 25, 2008 9:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just catching up with the game.
Wondered where Hinrich was.  Oh.  I see.  Best I don't see this game then.  

by cranscape on Feb 25, 2008 9:49 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just once I'd like to see a close game
go the BULLS way....
Just ONCE....
Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Feb 25, 2008 9:51 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TYrus enters
Dirk misses.  HEY BOYLAN!!!
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 25, 2008 9:51 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

get a stop!!
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 25, 2008 9:52 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HUH?!?
Boylan takes out Gordon...he's scored 7 out of the last 8....uhhhh ok

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 9:52 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sadly
Kidd has killed Hughes every time he's guarded him tonight

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 9:57 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can Gordon get a pick please?
I'm amazed that Gooden and Hughes are taking every shot down the stretch.

by YaoPau on Feb 25, 2008 9:59 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

McGrady once scored 13 points in 33 seconds
The Bulls only need ten in 22.

You have to feel it

"Jerome James PER.. is 46.68... Do that trade now! Screw Horford, we don't need him. Jerome is a monster!!!!!!!!!" - BNeL21

by NittanyBull on Feb 25, 2008 10:02 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Honeymoon's over
Fun for the one game that it lasted I guess
Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Feb 25, 2008 10:04 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

too many
makeshift lineups in this game...not enough Noah...Noce stunk...the ejection saved Kirk from having an even WORSE game...Hughes 4-11...ugh

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 25, 2008 10:04 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Bulls have a true knack for frittering
away games.

I know the Mavs are good, but it is infuriating to watch the same pattern repeat itself night after night.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 25, 2008 10:04 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

12 games under .500 now
Isn't that the worst they've been all year?  It's depressing to think that they might actually be getting worse as the season goes on.

by Big D on Feb 25, 2008 10:06 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm feeling bad for Luol
he's moving so slowly - I've never seen him look this frustrated or out of whack.  I'm hoping he's not playing hurt, knowing he's up for that contract.  That could be disaster.  

As much as I love the team, it's just poorly built and coached.

by Freethefro on Feb 25, 2008 10:12 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Even without Hinrich
this was a winnable game.  
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 10:27 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

once again
Boylan waited way too long to get Tyrus back out for his final stint. Nocioni on Dirk, gag. Noc managed 5 points and 4 fouls tonight. 1 rebound in 17 minutes.

I'll have to check the gameflow tomorrow but I think Gooden was something like 3-11 until the 4th period. Hughes finished 4-11, but I do give him some cred for getting 5 FTAs.

I don't get some of the Luol hate tonight, I thought he played pretty well, especially on the boards.

If Noah only received 18 minutes because he was hurt, fine. If it was because of 'matchups', Boylan's an idiot. Noah's the type to play center in a small lineup, you overmatched goof.

At least Duhon (and Gray) didn't play. That's a good first step towards a rotation. Next one: figure out how to get the better guys out there more often.

How about Ben Gordon, jerks? 0 TOs in 37 minutes, and that was playing PG most of his time out there . Ok, he did have that bizarre dribble out the shot-clock posession, which should be his TO.

(I take back the 'jerks' comment, we shouldn't be adversarial over Gordon. I'll just suggest to look at how much better he is than Larry Hughes, and realize how all 'scorers' aren't created equal)

Speaking of, it was almost a blessing that Hinrich was ejected, he had 3 lazy turnovers in his first stint, blech. Tough to climb uphill all game like that.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2008 10:37 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did you call Boylan a goof?
your great-aunt Lizzie would be so tickled to hear you talk like that...
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 11:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it's appropriately dismissive
No mention in the game stories about Noah's 17 minutes. crock o' shit.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 9:17 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh and don't forget
BG with the goal tend.  Where does that rank on the wacky scale?
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 25, 2008 11:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In the "great moments in Bulls idiocy"
column.
  1. It's Jason Kidd's wild prayer shot after getting hacked by Hinrich.
  2. It's Ben "I swear to god I am 6'3 but I play smaller than Iverson" Gordon.
Thabo had a finger roll airball in the 4th quarter.  He almost got bailed out with a goaltending call.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 12:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wasn't Boylan listening
when Pax said the trade was about getting Noah more experience, even if that experience is him fouling out?
"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Feb 26, 2008 12:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The kids were
(for the most part) out of the picture by the 4th quarter.

I'm not that interested in this team with the new guys playing down the stretch. I know the "starters" got down to start (but it got worse when Ty came out), and I know Drew had a "good" 4th (but so did Dirk). I don't care.

by marionette on Feb 25, 2008 10:37 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

take solace in the fact
that even though hinrich got booted, du did not make an appearance?

by Jaina on Feb 25, 2008 11:02 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sadly I do.
It is a big step :)

Although how funny would it have been if he led some 2nd half comeback after the Du-defense-society came out of the woodwork today?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 25, 2008 11:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah..
Haha, that wouldn't have been funny.  since then they probably would have gone on about how right they are!!!

by Jaina on Feb 26, 2008 8:22 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

good call
I was worried about that myself.  Boylan has to motivate this team to play defense for 48 minutes.  Thabo and Kirk need to cut down on their lazy ass passes also.

by davebino on Feb 25, 2008 11:30 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Another frustrating loss
Bulls need a superstar.

 Maybe Tyrus can develop into one, but until hes dropping near 30 a night, Bulls need to play near perfect team basketball to win games against good teams. So far, inconsistency rules supreme as they can't win 2 games in a row to save their lives.

by RogersPark Kris on Feb 25, 2008 11:39 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tell me if im wrong
i didnt watch the game but it seems that the bulls dont know how to close out games if there loosing or winning. Idk if its from the lack off that so called all star that we need or just Boylans fault for not putting the rite line up out there down the stretch.

by eross226 on Feb 25, 2008 11:39 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Close out what?
You can only close out games you're winning, or at least, hotly contested ones. The Bulls were never in contention. There was nothing to close out.

And this time you can't seriously blame Boylan -he gave you the lineup and the minutes most of the bloggers here were asking for.

by Sky on Feb 26, 2008 8:07 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think people are more unhappy to see gooden...
getting minutes in place of TT and Noah.  Also TT only had 18 minutes and Gooden had 37?!  I don't think that's what anyone on this site was asking for.  In terms of closing out games, I think what people are referring to is the frustration with our ability to keep games close but not finish (close out).  I mean these games are good games but then it feels like every night the other team makes a run in the last 5 minutes and we lose by 8, 10, 15, whatever.

by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 8:27 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oops
I mean TT had 28 minutes, but still why is gooden getting such big minutes?  Let the young guys play more! (Noah with 18, I understand why, but come on, let him play through it.  Its not like we've won these last two with gooden taking 18 footers all night!)

by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 8:29 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

28 and too many
I know TT is the people's fave around here, but let's get real.

Remember the first few minutes? He couldn't stop Dirk no matter how he tried. He fouled him right away, then Dirk hit a jumper in front of him, then TT wanted to go for revenge -and Dirk mercilessly blocked him. That was Tyrus last night.

Look. he's a kid, he's got time and he might get better (Might). But he's no savior right now. Hate Boylan all you want but if you really believe TT is going to save the sinking ship right now you're in for a bitter wakeup call.

by Sky on Feb 26, 2008 8:38 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think hes going to save the ship, but....
That's not what I want from him!  I want him to be able to play through his mistakes and learn from them.  I'm not saying this year is a lost cause, but has playing Tyrus really cost us any wins?  We only have 22 of those by the way.  It doesn't appear that playing Gooden is helping us win that much, though the jury is still out on how he will fit in to our offense.  We made this trade to get the young guys minutes, not to win the ship, but to see what we have and develop these guys.

by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 8:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How about last night?
I don't think we made this trade to get the young guys minutes. We still have a chance to make the playoffs (courtesy of the abysmal Eastern division) and the new guys, though no superstars, have a shot at it.

As for the young'uns, The "people's starters" lost the game in the first 6 or 7 minutes. It was a 22-6 Mavs start.

Kirk forgetting the ball. TT chasing Dirk -and getting burned over and over. Luol doing... er... did he do anything at all?

Giving the kids the most minutes, at this point, would be tanking. Intentional or not.

by Sky on Feb 26, 2008 8:53 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ups and Downs, Sky, Ups and Downs
When you play kids you have ups and downs.  That's whats going to happen.  Our record with those guys on the bench wasn't exactly stellar if you remember.  Yes, we can make the playoffs, and we don't know what we have quite yet with Gooden and Hughes, but whatever we were doing wasn't exactly working was it?

by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 8:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We didn't make this trade to get the young guys
minutes?

If that is the case, then why did Paxson EXPLICITLY state that the trade was executed, in part, because he wanted to get Tyrus and Noah on the court?

I guess he was lying.

Your argument that Tyrus had too many minutes last night is completely unfounded. He had the second best +/- rating of any Bull, I believe.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 26, 2008 9:45 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He was a better option than Nocioni
in fact Tyrus should be the guy who closes out games, and two games in a row he waited until the result was already decided before getting him back in.

Anybody notice the stretches with Tyrus was in with Noc, that Tyrus was out on the wing guarding Stackhouse and Howard while Noc had Bass (and Deavean George I believe)? I'm sure Boylan was stratching his skull wondering why Tyrus couldn't simultaneously guard wing players and yet also be close to the basket

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 9:20 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

they closed out Denver just fine
maybe you should rework that theory.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 26, 2008 8:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boylan just doesn't get it
His substitution patterns make little if any sense at all.  When Avery goes small and removes Dampier so Dirk can play center, you don't have to match that.  You have to exploit that.  Dirk has no low post defense.  He had 6 turnovers and had 2 shots blocked and 3 fouls.  If Avery wants him to play center, POST HIM UP.

Trading out two bigs logging a lot of minutes and bringing back one big was a trade explicitly to get Noah and Thomas as much PT as possible.  Paxson is on this trip.  Anyone think he's getting the message?

Can't really say I miss Kirk.  In a shade over 11 minutes he had 3 turnovers.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 8:32 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't Boylan say something like...
Paxson doesn't tell him who to play?  Sorry I'm new here and I know you all get upset when someone doesn't link to their source, but I don't remember exactly where I heard that.  We need a coach who isn't established!  We don't want a Larry Brown or a Rick Carlisle!  I mean I love those guys, but they will come in and we might even see some CD-DNPs for TT and Noah.  I think we should bring someone in who has nothing to lose in terms of reputation and who Paxson can say "Play the young guys or you're fired"  to.  

by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 8:36 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When has Larry Brown ever cared
about what anybody thought about him.  This is the same guy who just up and quits everywhere he goes. The only thing Larry Brown has ever shown that he cares about is building a winner. And at this point this team needs a kick anyway. You got guys here that just dont develop. I mean from year to year you get the same deal. Kirk all red faced over other guards pushing him around. Dude get in the weight room and get yourself in shape. Then maybe you can push back.

by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 8:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Every team i remember Larry Brown
coaching has won for years after he left. Check San Antonio, Philadelphia and the Detroit. Can we have some of tha PLEASE Mr. Paxson?

by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 8:49 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hate you...
Because you're right.  I guess I'm just worried maybe we aren't even good enough at this point to win even if we have the great Larry Brown.

by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 8:51 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um, what?
San Antonio had to win the lottery to start winning again.  Philadelphia went straight back to mediocrity and kept falling to the bottom of the league.  Detroit's the only team that kept winning after Brown left.  They had made the Eastern Conference Finals the year before he got there, so it's not like it was one of his classic rebuilding efforts.  I like Brown, he's a great coach and I enjoy ego-maniacal people who rub sportswriters the same way.  He is not a good fit for this team as currently constructed.  This team is well built for an up tempo game which he does not let his players play.

by snley on Feb 26, 2008 9:40 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lasts nights preformance
was kinda what you would expect at this point with the Bulls against the Dirk and Kidd in front of the home crowd.  But what I didn't like was the PG play by Kirk.  He was throwing it away and having a difficult time just with pressure.  He's just not tough enough. In my opinion they should just start Ben and Thabo in the back court. Aside from the fact that Ben not the best ball handler I just can't stand to see Kirk out there getting all pissed because he's not skilled enough to out play his opponent. That dude really needs to start watching some videos of Stockton or something.

by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 8:38 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I remember about a month before the BW signing...
I saw Kirk at slugger's and we were watching Miami's unlikely championship run (I don't remember which series after we were out of it) and Kirk was telling me that he's sick of all the young guys on this team and that he was the man.  He told me if Pax didn't go out and do something big for him, he wouldn't want to play here anymore.  He also implied that he didn't trust Gordon or Deng, and that he didn't think much of them in terms of their ability to develop into the good players he was demanding Pax go out and get.  I don't know what this means in terms of what kind of guy he is, but maybe he just doesn't trust the guys around him?  I'm just making excuses for him because I want to love him, but his play this year defies all odds!  How does a player at his age just all of a sudden have all his ability and success on the court just disappear?  I don't get it.

by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 8:48 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did
he really tell you this??
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 26, 2008 9:00 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually yeah, and the story gets funnier
I had bought him a shot and that's how we started talking.  After that discussion (about 5 minutes long) I was asking him about the draft and as he was answering me, this gorgeous blond walked up and asked if he was Kirk Hinrich and he goes "Yeah baby, I'm Kirk" and just turns his back on me and starts talking to her, understandeably.  Anyways, I saw him leave with that girl less than 20 minutes later (though that estimate may be skewed, this was almost 2 years ago).  Anyways, he didn't specifically say "I'm the man here", that was just the impression he gave me with what he was saying about the team.  Also, this was right after a disappointing loss in the playoffs and it was 2 years ago, so who knows how he feels now.

by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 9:05 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow
that's unbelievable.  really not believable.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 26, 2008 9:08 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hahaha
Well, I've been told my standards aren't too high, maybe she wasn't that gorgeous and I just love Kirk so I wanted to think hes a stud.  She was about 6'5" 280 now that I think about it.  Just kidding.  He really did say that stuff and leave with a blond though.  This was pre-Big Ben signing, I'm sure he sees things differently now.  I hope.

by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 9:11 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm new here, someone fill me in...
Do people like Kirk or not?  I'm pro-Kirk in general, and I think this year is an anomaly, at least I hope it is.

by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 9:15 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some do
some don't. The Ben Gordon fans don't like him as you will see if you go back and read some other diaries. I happen to like Kirk as a player.

by sue369 on Feb 26, 2008 9:21 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does it have to be BG or Kirk?
I like them both.  I think BG is utilized in the wrong way.  I think Gordon could have been the guy that the Cavs wanted Hughes to be. A catch and shoot kind of guy.  When he has the ball too much, its not that his ballhandling is that bad, it just feels like he can't create for anyone else, so he runs around like a chicken with his head cut off and then all of a sudden there are only 5 seconds left on the shot clock.

by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 9:24 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I get the feeling watching him play
that BG doesn't like to just catch and shoot.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 26, 2008 9:25 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's a possiblity
that Ben is still upset at the way he was treated when Scott was here. Being pulled for every little mistake and replaced with Duhon.  Then when Kirk made mistakes Scott would just stick with him. Seems like since he's been here it's been either he suffers or Duhon. Kirk has always been the franchise guy regardless of play.

by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 9:34 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not really
Skiles stuck with BG way longer than he would have this year if that were the case.
Baby Bulls II?

by bullshooter on Feb 26, 2008 9:36 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree
that he did stick with him this year but in years past he didnt.  And for the most part i write up Ben's issues this season with the contract stuff. Prob just sick of feeling underappreciated. Especially after the boo birds at the UC and the crys for Kobe.

by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 10:52 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're a liar.
Liar, liar, liar!
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Feb 26, 2008 9:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Saying...
...the BG fans don't like Hinrich is wrong.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Feb 26, 2008 9:52 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK,
some of BG's fans (Zac) don't like Kirk. There are others on here too.

by sue369 on Feb 26, 2008 9:58 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some BG fans
hate Kirk.  It's weird.  Like it's an either or proposition when it doesn't have to be.

by KT on Feb 26, 2008 9:59 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dont get me wrong
I dont know Kirk so for that matter my only issue is with Pax for over paying. He's a decent player but way to over hyped by the team management.

by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 9:21 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh, no kidding
Coach Van Lier the commenter is off to as good of a start as I'd imagine a coaching tenure for Van Lier would be.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 9:21 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice.
The guy is worth millions and you buy him shots.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Feb 26, 2008 9:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOW Kirk's got a ego?
LOL!!! If this is true Pax is a fool for listening to him.  Kirk's no franchise player! At this point he's serviceable at best.

by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 9:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why is Kirk so bad?
Is he really just not tough mentally?  Is he tired?  Hurt?  The players around him are bad?  What is it this year?

by Coach Van Lier on Feb 26, 2008 9:18 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's not
just Kirk this year, it's several players. Some have recovered faster than others is all.

by sue369 on Feb 26, 2008 9:23 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kirk IS the man now
Which just puts the whole Bulls situation in perspective.

Kirs at least cares about losing. He is out of control sometimes but he brings a god deal of toughness and energy. Who else? BG? He's even more selfish and would gladly watch the team going down as long as he makes his money. Luol? He's got talent but he can't lead a HS team. We should know that by now. TT? Poor kid, the overbloated expectations are going to crush him. Plus I doubt he's got his fundamentals solid enough. Noce? Don't make me laugh.

Kirk may not be the leader we want but he's the closest to the job we have now.

by Sky on Feb 26, 2008 9:38 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess throwing a hissy-fit
after every foul means that you "care more".

by RogersPark Kris on Feb 26, 2008 10:07 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

uh, not quite
as nobody thinks Gordon cares. Except about money! Oh, how dare he...

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 10:17 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The "White Kobe Bryant"
whiny little girl - check!
cheats on his wife - check!
significantly inferior at the game of basketball - check!
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Feb 26, 2008 10:44 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh?
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 26, 2008 10:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe I have
never mentioned this before to you but if you think you're opinions of Kirk or your opinions on anything matter to me well they don't.

by sue369 on Feb 26, 2008 11:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dont' think you have mentioned it.
You should probably say it again. Cuz I still think you care.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Feb 26, 2008 12:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The caring
was only in your mind. You need to let it go.

by sue369 on Feb 26, 2008 1:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, boy....lan.
"I'm just throwing some stuff against the wall and seeing what sticks," Boylan said. "They both can handle the ball some, and both are capable scorers who put pressure on the defense. I thought at times it looked pretty good. Then at other times it was obvious that they hadn't really played together before."

On the one hand, Paxson and Boylan state that the goal of the franchise is to make the playoffs.

On the other hand, Boylan is acting as if we are in game three of the season and he has time to experiment with trash lineups.

There are 26 games left in the season and the Bulls are 12 games under five hundred. What am I missing? Now is not the time to "throw stuff against the wall."

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 26, 2008 9:49 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Link...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-080225-luol-deng-chicago-bulls,1,4651042.story
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 26, 2008 9:49 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Hughes and Kirk should have a contest
to see who can throw up the most momentum changing quick jumpers in transition that lead to easy baskets for the opposing team.

Meanwhile, Gooden can have a league wide competition with Zach Randolph to determine which player passes least out of the post.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 26, 2008 9:56 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not impressed with Gooden
he should be 'post offense in a pinch' guy, not getting 37 minutes. His defense and shot selection are more exposed in that amount of time.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 9:58 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true
he did have a few "man we needed that" kind of baskets last night.  At the same time, he had a few "what the heck are you doing" kind of shots.

Way too many minutes for him though.

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 26, 2008 10:02 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed
Which puts him and Aaron Gray in similar company [shaking head in disgust].

I still think Gooden/Hughes belong somewhere behind the guys who were all ready here.

Thabo/BG > Hughes.

by ForWhomTheBullTolls on Feb 26, 2008 11:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gooden
should be some teams 6th man, and he'd excell in that role against other teams reserves.

Joe Smith is a better player.  

by KT on Feb 26, 2008 10:02 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

funny quote
"I think Joe Smith, after one practice, knew the Cavaliers' offense better than Drew Gooden did in all the time he was here"

http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/15973357.html?page=all&c=y

I think Joe's having the better season, but isn't the better value. Maybe to the Cavs, who don't mind having an old jumpshooter for a playoff push. The have LeBron, rules are different :-/

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 26, 2008 10:03 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey
I'll argue that he's a better value, but I've  loved Joe Smith ever since he was a Buck, so I'm not being impartial. I'm still mad the Bucks traded him.

by KT on Feb 26, 2008 10:25 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gooden
was lazy in College and is lazy in the pros.

by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 10:32 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's a
pretty wide statement to make...unfortunately I haven't paid enough attention to him to make that statement

here are his KU stats - http://www.rockchalk.com/jayhawks/goodeand.sht

here are his pro stats - http://www.nba.com/playerfile/drew_gooden/career_stats.html

he had a decent senior year...he puts up decent numbers and is a serviceable "big man"

curious...what makes you call him "lazy"?

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 26, 2008 10:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

P.S. I want to make clear that I am NOT
complaining about the trade.

I just think those two (especially Gooden) need to have their minutes limited.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 26, 2008 9:58 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never thought about that
Zach and Drew are the same dude. Well without the constant complaining there on the court effort is just about the same. LOL Man Isaiah could have saved himself a lot of money and the headache.

by Takeaseat on Feb 26, 2008 10:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It shouldn't come as a surprise
to anyone that the Bulls can't beat the elite Western conference teams.  What's depressing is that it was so much fun to see the young guys run Denver off the court, then as soon as Boylan gets another big slow guy he puts him right out on the floor for 38 minutes.  I hated last night's game.  

by eGirl on Feb 26, 2008 10:18 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't worry
The elite are off our plate for a bit.

We get to a bit of an easier schedule right about now.

If they can't make a push now, they never will

by Option27 on Feb 26, 2008 10:23 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

current comcast poll
Which player should get the fewest minutes in the backcourt rotation?

Thabo - 38%
Kirk - 28%
Ben - 23%
Hughes - 8%

only 226 votes so far, but pretty interesting what the "fans" think

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 26, 2008 10:48 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and yesterday
BG was behind Thabo. Tomorrow it will be different again.

by sue369 on Feb 26, 2008 11:07 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and i feel like
hughes's low number is due to the fact that people are sick of our guys, more than they think he's so wonderful.  or at least that's what i hope.  they probably don't know much about him.

by Jaina on Feb 26, 2008 11:09 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep
this was posted right after the Houston game so too soon.

by sue369 on Feb 26, 2008 11:31 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right on
But why hoping that Hughes is going to be "not wonderful"? He only had two games with us. Give the guy a little time to adjust. He might have some of that old Wizard wizardry left -even if he only kept 10% of it that would still be an improvement for us.

by Sky on Feb 26, 2008 11:59 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nah
it's not that i hope he's not wonderful - i'm definitely willing to give him a chance and i'd love to see him get a little bit of his old wiz self back.  but realistically if you knew anything about him you weren't going to say he's so wonderful - certainly not warranting only an 8% compared to 20%+ for each of the other guys..

by Jaina on Feb 26, 2008 12:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's the pther guys
But just like you said, it's the other guys. I didn't see the poll but I do believe Sefo is not ready for prime time, and BG is ready for the English basketball league (assuming there is one). I would not cut Kirk too much but I'm willing to give Hughes some sizable minutes. If he sucks after a while, well, um... we can still talk about Grossman or Griese.

by Sky on Feb 26, 2008 12:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hughes has been terrible for
nearly an entire career, and consistently been terrible for the last three years.  Hughes isn't a mystery.  If Hughes is good fine, but I'll give the guys who have only sucked for the last couple of months the benefit of the doubt before Hughes.

by Scotter on Feb 26, 2008 1:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Smart fans
I agree.

by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Feb 26, 2008 2:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Last night's game was
a perfect example of how Scott Skiles' play book sucks. Throughout the game (but especially in the 1st and 4th quarters) the Mavs were successfully guessing where the ball was going to go. Hell, anyone could.

1 slowly dribbles up. Find 2 or 3 coming off baseline screen. Elevate for shot before passing it at last second, for a turnover. Or reverse ball or find cutter cross court, for a turnover.

What about pick-and-rolls, iso's and interior passing? It seems like the Bulls need to just stop the plague of the lateral, perimater passing. And scrap Skiles' play book if it says otherwise.

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Feb 26, 2008 10:49 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's kinda
hard to do with a little over 25 games left to go in the season (scrap the playbook).  I do agree with you though...the system needs an overhaul/change/scrapped altogether.  Wait until next season when Boylan is outta there...

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 26, 2008 10:59 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well I guess I'm just wondering
if it could really be worse. The way the Mavs were predicting the Bulls' passes, I wonder if the Bulls should make a concerted effort to not follow the same old plays. I mean, the W over Denver was their best game (in a lot of ways) in like 15 years, and more than one player described it as almost playground basketball, which is pretty much the opposite of anything Skiles would have in his playbook.

Plus, isn't Hughes supposed to be a slasher? Clear out and let the man slash once in a while. Have him go to the rim and at the very least draw a foul.

I was under the impression that the Bulls avoided this play because they didn't have a big guard who could finish those types of plays, and their small guards weren't getting the calls because they were, well, small.

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Feb 26, 2008 11:22 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The black hole offense
Is basically the pass once offense.  We saw that last night trying to post Drew Gooden every possession.  That's a nice play to run every now and then, but 4 possessions in a row?  Dirk isn't even an average defender.  Shake him up.  Ok, post him.  Next possession get his ass on the perimeter chasing small guards coming off screens.  Gooden and Hughes/Gordon/Thabo/Kirk can run this for the entire quarter if they want to. Throw Noah out there and you can run a double screen on the perimeter with both bigs rolling into the paint.

I watch my Bulls and it appears that there is almost no strategy at all.  There's no signs of basketball IQ.  Does anyone know their personnel?  Do they spot mismatches?  When they see the mismatch can they get the ball into the post?

You watch the Mavs and you see how their offense is run explicitly to get mismatches.  That's the entire offense except for finding Josh Howard or Stackhouse to shoot it from anywhere.  Dirk needs a PG like Malone needed a PG.

Dirk's a superstar, but he gets away with illegal screens 4 out of 5 times.  He leans on the guard when he's setting a screen with his hands.  A foul in the NBA rulebook, but a no call in real-time.

Maybe the team needs chapperones off the court.  I'd convert them all to Latter Day Saints if that meant no partying when you're 12 games under .500.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 12:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Mavs
The Mavs Offense is run explicitly to get mismatches mostly because they have one of the most unguardable players in the league (Nowitksi).  The guy can shoot it from anywhere on the court, and when he wants to take it to the rim at will (unfortunately for him and fortunately for the opponents, the latter is still something he does less than he has the ability to).

If we had a guy like Dirk on our squad (we don't by a long shot, and few teams do) we could try to run mismatches.

Reall Dallas is run by having 1 or 2 spot up shooters, a little offense Center and Dirk moving the ball and controlling the offense.

Having Jason Kidd makes them ever the more deadly because Kidd can make a guy like Joakim Noah look like an offensive threat with Kidd's ability to see through holes, anticipate defenders next move, make sharp, crisp, perfect, extreme difficult passes seem easy, and he also gets you 7-10 defensive boards a night that help him see the court from the entire court....he's just a special player.

If we had a Dirk on our team, we could have no strategy but make it look like a strategy.

Lately with Boylan (much as I dislike him for his substitution patters) you can tell that he's at least got the guys moving around.  Our guys played 4 years in the drive and kick Skiles offense....this year for whatever reason we forgot or were no longer able to do our drive and kick game, and we had for a long time there a bounce the ball and let the clock tick down then force a prayer and hope to get fouled mindset.....

I think Boylan's at least got the guys moving around.  Maybe having the uber athletic Tyrus and THabo out there helps with this, but it seems we're at least trying to change our old style....

These things take time, especially when you incorporate really 5 new guys into the rotation (Gooden, Hughes, and for all intents and purposes given more minutes to Thomas, THabo, and Noah)....

I do think Boylan is an issue as his sub patterns can be really bad (heck our announcers were like, "Um I guess he wants to give Gordon a break here for the 3 minute stretch run, not really sure why since it seems now is the time we need his scoring"....

I also think a more seasoned pro with a new offense could really fix this club.  We have a gluttony of talented guards, and now seem to have a nice mix of young bigs.  Getting a Nellie or Phil type coach is tough, but there are some out there.  Boylan's "Skiles Light" mentality isn't good enough if we want to compete.

by majoyenrac on Feb 26, 2008 12:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zenmaster to Chicago!
Win a chip with the Lakers.  Quit.  Rejoin Chicago.  Build a final legacy as the best coach in NBA history.

It could happen.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 12:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stranger things have happened
On second thought, no, they haven't.

by Sky on Feb 26, 2008 1:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are you sure
nellie actively recruiting webber isn't equally strange?

it's up there, at any rate.

by Jaina on Feb 26, 2008 1:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This trade may not have injected new life
into the Bulls, but it's certainly done so for Blogabull.  Welcome all.  

by Freethefro on Feb 26, 2008 11:28 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree
This site has had more posts now than it did preseason....I'm sure I'm a culprit too....

by majoyenrac on Feb 26, 2008 11:40 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1958chitown
youre a moron, contest with Zach Randolph?

Gooden is a GOOD PASSER. He makes very good passes out of the post FREQUENTLY, but if the double-team doesnt come than the right play is to SCORE. WHICH HE DID, and right when Dallas was cheating towards a double-team on the 4th stright post-up Gooden made a nice move for the take but it rimmed out, and we didnt go to him again.

So we havent seen it yet, I have Leaguepass (YOU OBVIOULSY DONT), Gooden is a very good passer. His first year in Cleveland he was utilized correctly and he averaged 15 and 10 a night for a playoff team at 23 years old. He hasnt been utilized correctly this year, if he is used right here than he and we will THRIVE with him giving us the lowpost dimension as our 3rd option.

Wanna talk about a blakc hole? NOW KEVIN MCHALE: THAT WAS ONE SERIOUS BLACK HOLE! What a bum he was, huh?

AND SKY: I agree with you, the Kids got good minutes, the minutes they should get, and it wasnt the purpose of the trade. It was a factor, a secondary purpose, if you will.

I basically agree with EVERYTHING YOU SAID, Sky.

by Deng is the next Bull superstar on Feb 26, 2008 2:38 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

comprehension?
He was saying Zach Randolph is a black hole.  Gooden isn't passing out of the post once he's established.  That's not a good sign.

1958 wasn't arguing that Gooden was a bad passer.  He was saying he wasn't passing.

You don't have to pass just because a double team is coming.  You don't have to wait for a double team to pass the ball.  You can pass out, reposition yourself deeper in the post, and call for the ball back.

Drew Gooden is no Zach Randolph though.  Zachary Boseph Randolph is THE black hole of the NBA.

The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 2:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes
It's a new name to me.
The Kids Must Stay In The Picture!!!

by NBA Observer on Feb 26, 2008 3:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs