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Pax answers his cellphone, and his critics

This isn't a type of trade that gives Paxson a 'genius' label (or restores it?) but it is officially an end to the jokes about his phone charger being lost, or his 'internet rumors' paranoia.

His number one goal was (and should've been) to dump Ben Wallace, and he did it. Along with his fellow superdelegate Adrian Griffin, as well as Joe Smith.

Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden, Shannon Brown, and Cedric Simmons are in. The Bulls also sent an '09 2nd round pick to the Cavs (remember they still have the Knicks '09 2nd rounder).

There are a lot of angles to this move by Pax. Time for Bullets!!

  • Freed up frontcourt time. Wallace (did I mention they dumped Ben Wallace?) and Smith were 'earning' nearly 55 minutes of time in the frontcourt combined. And while Drew Gooden will take some of those minutes at the 4, Noah now starts (and gets most of his minutes) at center, shifting Tyrus Thomas up the depth chart at the 4. Getting more time for those two (and to a-much-lesser extent, Aaron Gray) was always the most important benefit to dealing Wallace. And Smith for that matter.

    Gooden should fit right in with the Bulls this season: he's having his worst year as a professional, shooting the lowest from the field in his career. He's hitting only 51.7% of his close shots which is below average, yet should be an improvement compared to this current bunch, and he does attempt more non-jumpers than the departed Joe Smith. He's more than capable as a rebounder at the position, especially defensively (9th among PFs). He's always had a rep of being a space cadet on defense (can't find it, but there's that story of a Cavs huddle basically telling Gooden twelve times not to leave his feet to block a 3-point shooter, and he went right out and did just that), and he's a bit undersized. In fact, a Gooden-Noah starting frontcourt will be pretty slight, but very quick. We know Tyrus Thomas can add shotblocking to that mix, and for behemoths there's always Aaron Gray, but lack of strength in the frontcourt is one void Ben Wallace is leaving. But for a league (and a team, it seems) that likes to go small, having Gooden-Noah-Thomas-Gray-Nocioni in all sorts of permutations can work. Although between Gooden taking over the 'scoring four' role, and Thabo moving into the 'backup three' role (next bullet), Nocioni should see a dramatic minutes cut.

    Off the court, there's reason to like Drew Gooden as a Bull. There's a chance he will make the Mopey Iowan disappear forever (they're college teammates and seemingly good pals), and he is growing a sweet beard as part of a bet with the Wiz's DeShawn Stevenson.
     
  • Larry Hughes and the backcourt. Cavs fans hated Larry Hughes as much as we hated Ben Wallace, as they're both overpaid and underproductive. And Hughes adds 'always hurt' to make it a trifecta. So really it's not much of a question of if he's any better than Wallace, but how he's at least different. In his contract year with the Wiz, Hughes had a PER of 21.6 and hasn't topped 14 since, and Hollinger explains (before this season) the dropoff :
    Upon closer examination, the key to Hughes' decline is how infrequently he gets to the basket compared to his heyday in Washington. His shooting percentage is down from that season, but even more importantly his free-throw attempts are way down -- Hughes had one of the highest free-throw rates in the league while a Wizard but now is barely above the league average for shooting guards. Hughes's rates and percentages on jump shots are almost exactly what they were in Washington, and he's actually shot a little better on 3-pointers since coming to Cleveland. But by having to play off LeBron James, he's not getting the slashing opportunities to the basket that made him so dangerous in Washington, and as a result he's languished in mediocrity.
    So yes, maybe simply not having to defer to LeBron will bring back the old Larry Hughes, but it's also likely that his final year in Washington was no emerging season but a career one. Hughes is only 29 but is in now his tenth season, a point at which players rarely improve. At least with the Bulls there's a role for him to use whatever strengths he used to have, while Hinrich and Gordon can play off of him. He's a big guard who is decent defensively and gets most of his value on that end off of steals (which isn't good). The big question will be how his spot is 'earned' in the guard rotation. One of the major issues with Wallace was that no matter his play he was given an entitlement spot in the starting lineup as well as the healthy dose of minutes. Hughes is similarly high-paid, but doesn't have the pedigree coming in that Wallace did, so you'd hope that nothing is given to him. He can take over Thabo's current role, with a better chance for an offensive outburst as well as a better ability to play the point. Thabo has the edge on defense as well as rebounding (and therefore ability to play the SF as well) yet also needs development minutes. I would be fine with having Hughes as the 4th guard (way to survive the deadline Duh, but you're buried) who plays emergency point and then working from there.

    And of course, as all things usually do, it leads back to Ben Gordon. Hughes should not be seen as Gordon replacement, but insurance. Before getting Hughes, if Gordon left for nothing this offseason the Bulls would be stuck with nobody even serviceable beyond Sefolosha.  The goal should be first to wait for the anticipated (I swear, I am) 2nd half Gordon bonanza and re-sign him to a reasonable long-term deal. Then worry about deciding (or more accurately, see what the trade market decides) between Hughes and Thabo then. And even at that point, with the idea that Hughes is a 1/2 while Thabo is a 2/3, it'll could mean keeping both and ditching Duhon and Nocioni.
     
  •  I'd immediately send Brown and Simmons to the D-League. The coaching staff will be taxed (especially this group) with integrating Hughes and Gooden, might as well keep those two out of sight and mind. Use whatever scout/development apparatus the team has set up in the d-league to monitor them from afar. The Bulls have a full roster and could use another backup center, and since I doubt Simmons fits that bill (listed as only 6'9", 235) they could waive one of PeeOn, Nichols, or Brown (who I sincerely doubt will be re-signed) to get one. Yes, the Bulls should have an eye on development, but it's on developing Thomas, Noah, and Sefolosha, not who they received today.
     
  • Money talk. Even if we can hold out hope that there are situations where the Bulls are willing to exceed the luxury tax, they will always be mindful of it. Here's the salary breakdown (thanks to ShamSports):
     
    2007/2008 2008/2009 2009/2010
    Wallace $15,500,000 $14,500,000 $14,000,000
    Smith $5,205,000 $4,795,000  
    Griffin $1,593,000    
         
    Hughes $12,000,084 $12,827,676 $13,655,268
    Gooden $6,453,416 $7,151,183  
    Simmons $1,629,120 $1,742,760  
    Brown $1,044,120    
         
    Savings $1,171,260 -($2,426,619) $344,732
    So it isn't the classic salary dump that is the desired end to most contract mistakes, and there's actually more money owed next season (Griffin's salary next season was unguaranteed, and Simmons' option was already picked up). The important thing was that Paxson dumped Ben Wallace without taking back contracts with greater length than Ben Wallace (and didn't receive players named Ben Wallace). There is also some nice trade flexibility, as now Gooden's a fat expiring deal for next season, and Hughes the one after that.
     
  • The Boylan factor. So far, as has been harped about many times here, Boylan's been a disaster. But it's possible that some of it (and if so, I don't excuse how much of it) was driven by trade showcasing. But while I've mapped out what I think are logical ways to reshuffle the rotation, we've seen Boylan defy logic many times before. It gets back to the central theme of this lost season: there's a way to maintain an organizational drive for the playoffs while still getting the youth minutes. It's even easier after this trade. However I can see an over-reliance on Gooden, Duhon, and Nocioni mucking things up and down the depth chart. Sometimes 'versatility' just means more places to screw up, heh.

And the best part (if not that important) is that it means there's interest back in the team for these final 30 games. The Bulls are now once again amongst the youngest teams in the league, and have a lot of players who can do a lot of things, meaning that there is plenty of evaluation as to who should stay and who should go moving forward. And a very interesting cap situation to look forward to this summer, with Hinrich and Nocioni off of base-year contract status with Gooden (and Simmons) as expiring deals. There's still plenty of problems that had nothing to do with Wallace, but between the minutes he was sopping up as well as the disturbing amount power he was wielding, it was nice to check that one off first before moving on to the rest.

And just more interest in watching the games, for the rest of this season they should be better with more intriguing players getting the chance to make them so.

Kudos to Pax for swiftly undoing (as much as he could) his biggest mistake. Especially as a division rival, it'll be worth watching to see how Wallace and Smith help the Cavs, and I happen to think they can. But Pax rightfully didn't worry about what it does for them, it's about how it helps his team, whether he's declared a trade 'winner' or not.

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did you read all that?
If you want to talk about the other sides (i.e. other teams) of this trade. I set up a seperate diary just for that purpose:

http://blogabull.com/story/2008/2/22/0323/55606

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 11:33 PM CST   0 recs

Shannon Brown is already trying to make friends
Among his new teammates.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-080221-shannon-brown-bulls-trade,1,4574091.story

"I'm glad to be coming home, and I appreciate the Bulls for having faith in me," Brown, 22, said. "There weren't many opportunities for me in Cleveland, but I can bring some athleticism and toughness to the Bulls. There is not much athleticism on the Bulls right now."

Not that he isn't right, but it's pretty funny to hear it from a guy who'll be in the D-League or overseas next year.

by Big D on Feb 21, 2008 11:38 PM CST   0 recs

a guy who'll be in the D-League or overseas
Yeah, one would think...
but this is a Bulls team who treated A-Drain like an all star at times...(I'm SO glad he's gone!)
Spring training....FINALLY!!

by Bluelou on Feb 22, 2008 12:04 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Found this on an MSU student blog:
Nobody stays in college forever.

He'll go down as one of the greatest dunkers in MSU history.
______
Conquest!

http://www.spartantailgate.com/forums/msu-red-cedar-message-board/187837-tofficial-say-goodbye-shann on-brown-thread-2.html

by eGirl on Feb 22, 2008 12:14 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I didn't realize how athletic he is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K-X-OxMJz8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYwsAPJ38Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5hwawf_fvo

It's true that he's an afterthought, but I think it's a little early to declare his career over.

by rexisourqb on Feb 22, 2008 10:11 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Problem is, that's all he does
Brown was the classic case of the really good college player that needed to stay in school.  Izzo gets guys into the league.  Brown could only benefit from staying in school.  I think he went pro early for the money.  He was being told he was a lottery pick.

by NBA Observer on Feb 22, 2008 11:32 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Brown
I think Brown is a gem the Bulls should really hold on to.  He is an athletic energry guy who does enough other things well that I think he can make some valuable contributions off the bench, and that assumes that he doesn't develop further than he has.  He was a big part in getting victories of the games he played for the Cavs.

But hey, I might be a little partial to anyone who plays with passion after the Wallace debacle.

by Air Kukoc on Feb 22, 2008 12:51 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I thought he'd get cut
But I forgot about the buyout of Veektor earlier.  That created an open roster spot that allowed us to send out 3 and get back 4.

I'm not ready to give up on Brown, but the Cavs didn't pick up the option on his rookie deal so it expires after this season.  Maybe they thought they could resign him for less money.

I'd like to see his draft measurements.  Is he really 6'3"?  His hands are huge though which is a tremendous asset for a dribble penetrator.

Better than Duhon?  Probably.  I just don't know about the defense.

by NBA Observer on Feb 22, 2008 1:09 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I looked for them last night
on DraftExpress's PreDraft Measurement link, but he wasn't there.  I wonder if he wasn't even invited?  I think I remember when he and Ager came out, Ager was the better scorer but Brown was considered the better athlete.

by eGirl on Feb 22, 2008 1:24 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Forget his hands, Brown isn't a dribble penetrator
That he couldn't do it was always a problem for him as a player.  He's another great athlete that can't create off the dribble or get open off the ball like Gerald Green or J.R. Smith, but not as tall, athletic, or as good.

by Scotter on Feb 22, 2008 1:44 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'm glad that Pax pulled the trigger.
Corpse is Gone!!!
My fave 5:
Hinrich
Sefo
Deng
Gooden
Noah
Bench:
Gordon
Huges
Nocioni
Tyrus
Gray
It is interesting to watch the Bulls again.
And if Pax will find a good coach...Ahhh!!!!
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Feb 22, 2008 12:41 AM CST   0 recs

Clean-up the summer of 2006
Paxson
Is cleaning up the problematic summer of 2006.
1.) Ben Wallace is history..
2.) Draft 2006, Trading down to get Viktor.  Viktor is history...
Yet to happen, but will...
3.) Signing Kirk to excessive contract far beyond his contribution, Kirk will be history soon ...
4.) Not drafting Brandon Roy, and Tyrus might not be able to really beat out Gooden for much playing time. And next year he performs the same as he does this year shooting .387 for an under-sized big averaging 16.6 mpg.  

by exult463 on Feb 22, 2008 12:46 AM CST   0 recs

Thanks for your pessimistic, unfounded,
inane prediction about Tyrus.

And Hinrich won't be "history" any time soon.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 22, 2008 2:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'm scared to see this lineup
Hinrich
Hughes
Sefolosha
Gooden
Gray

1:30 to go at the end of the first 2 quarters, would he really not try this?

Jokes aside, I agree that Hughes' production on the court is a result from him not being in the correct role. His TS% has steadily been declining since his last ('04-'05) season with the Wizards(53.3%, 50.4%, 48.0%, to this seasons' 46.7%), which also goes along with his lack of getting to the FT line(6.9, 5.4, 4.3, to this seasons' 3.2).

Hopefully he'll slash more often while he's on the Bulls-- which is what they need-- and hopefully be a legitimate option at the end of games besides of Gordon all the time.

"Jerome James PER.. is 46.68... Do that trade now! Screw Horford, we don't need him. Jerome is a monster!!!!!!!!!" - BNeL21

by NittanyBull on Feb 22, 2008 12:51 AM CST   0 recs

Scary?
Even scarier, Duhon instead of Hinrich, since no one has "earned" their starting spot.

by BradBanks4ever on Feb 22, 2008 1:19 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

If it's any indication...
This new squad is a lot more fun to play in NBA 2k8 than the previous incarnation. :)

by Mike Aparicio on Feb 22, 2008 1:06 AM CST   0 recs

Do you know when they're supposed to be updating
the rosters?  I got the game a couple weeks ago, but only found one roster update available.  I'm ready to start from scratch with the new squad.

by snley on Feb 22, 2008 8:53 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

No clue
I am the type of basketball nerd that spends two hours updating the rosters manually. There's a fair amount of missing players, so I had to fudge a bit. (No Curry, Gray or Nichols for the Bulls.)

Noah is an absolute stud in 2k8.

by Mike Aparicio on Feb 22, 2008 10:48 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

What a great trade!
I see a starting line-up with

Noah
Gooden
Deng
Hughes
Hinrich

First off the bench: Gordon

Hopefully this means less minutes for Nocioni, who can now be played on his good nights and benched the rest of the time.

by BradBanks4ever on Feb 22, 2008 1:18 AM CST   0 recs

Nocioni is
one of few on the previous team, that would at least attempt to take it to the iron.  Unfortunately, his kickouts often end up in the second row.  His D is tenacious, often getting under the skin of his opponents, thus affecting their game.  He just has not been utilized properly by this ridiculous excuse for a coaching staff.  Hughes is no real prize....  Thabo is going to have to get minutes to continue his growth.  I'm not sure I would start those guys right away.

by BiNgO on Feb 22, 2008 1:38 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

nocioni
Is there a way we can, before the game, test Nocioni for "good night," or "rest of the time?"  Gentlemen, set your breathalyzers to "Flop."

by calvinshields on Feb 22, 2008 1:40 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

It appears that
Nocioni usually flops when there are those moments where the team is just standing there like Deer in headlights.  Wallace would do it constantly....We've seen that a great deal this season.....BAD COACHING!..... He tries to do too much runs around like a freak and takes bad shots.  He often appears to make up for the others lack of effort and comes off looking and playing like a bafoon.

by BiNgO on Feb 22, 2008 1:50 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Besides age,
I am not sure what the big difference will be between Gooden and Smith.  Losing Ben Worthless was the ultimate goal, so goodbye Joe.

by BiNgO on Feb 22, 2008 1:45 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Defensive rebounding!!!
And fewer jumpers, more inside shots.  And someone that can run the floor, and who's fast enough that he constantly won't give up fastbreak layups to the guy he's guarding.  Gooden could continue to struggle, but he's closer to what this team needs from the 4 and the 5.

by Scotter on Feb 22, 2008 8:56 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

One thing i wonder
is didnt TT have a strong relationship with PJ then when we signed Joe Smith they became good friends and maybe sort of a mentor to TT. Interesting to see how TT acts now that Joe is gone. Thought Joe had a great 50 games for the Bulls.

by eross226 on Feb 22, 2008 2:22 AM CST   0 recs

I think thats
what Mike Brown is for

by Ed on Feb 22, 2008 2:44 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Matt I happen to think youre a genius
(And this is coming from a guy who doesn't hand that title out lightly.)

Just so you know I considered Paxson a trade "loser" because he took Ferry's crap and helped Ferry build a winner out of the trade. I think I should change the diary to "lost the trade because the original vision sucked so hard to begin with" category existing solely of Pax.

Great analysis, and all that.

Here's the for those choosing to read my "knucklehead" analysis.

Michael Jordan is overrated...except for those 6 titles 4 MVP's DPY and other things like Bryon Russell's ankle...

by pookeyguru on Feb 22, 2008 2:51 AM CST   0 recs

Practically A New Season
Nice way to shake off the dust from the all star break. It's great to be able to shake off Wallace. We all expected loads from him, too bad he never delivered. If in the last year he had put up numbers like Smith's we'd actually be happy.

On that note, bye bye Joe... We'll miss you.

醉生梦死

by blackmage71 on Feb 22, 2008 5:05 AM CST   0 recs

Paxson cast a couple votes in this trade
for Boylan and Noah by getting rid of both Griffin and Wallace.

It was pretty clear who the clubhouse leaders were when Griffin and Wallace organized a team meeting that eventually convinced Boylan to suspend Noah another game.

Paxson sent his two clubhouse leaders packing, which is a BIG statement to make this late in his team's development.  Look for Boylan to push for more leadership from Hinrich, Gordon, and Deng, and himself.  In my opinion, this is how it should've been all along.

Great great great analysis Matt.  I'd say I even liked it better than the trade, but this is my favorite Bulls trade in a long, long time.

by YaoPau on Feb 22, 2008 6:53 AM CST   0 recs

One aspect that hasn't been mentioned
is that BW, as we all know, is declining quickly, so by 2009-2010 he'll be absolutely atrocious for that 14 million, whereas Larry Hughes might still be serviceable (for slightly less).  As long as LH doesn't fall off a cliff too, he'll hopefully be a more valuable chip at that point than BW, who will have taken on the title of "player-coach."  

::retch::  

by Freethefro on Feb 22, 2008 7:49 AM CST   0 recs

5 blogabull bucks says
Duhon and Hughes become Boylan's favorite backcourt.
Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Feb 22, 2008 8:00 AM CST   0 recs

you bastard
This comment was better left unsaid.  Now it's going to happen and it will be all your fault.

I don't see Du falling out of Boylan's rotation.

by NBA Observer on Feb 22, 2008 8:09 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Lineup
I'm imagining a lot of:

Gooden
Nocioni
Hughes
Hinrich
Duhon

Matt is rolling over in his grave. (Anyone else watch Inside the NBA last night? Har!)

by Mike Aparicio on Feb 22, 2008 11:06 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

That was pretty funny!
I love it when they have to explain what they are doing, and why it is funny, to the guest hosts, too.
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Feb 22, 2008 12:32 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I need to read more Hollinger
I was writing the exact same thing all day yesterday after the trade for Hughes.  He needs the ball.  He needs to dribble penetrate to set up his shot.  This also gets him to the line.  He's not a spot up shooter.  He never has been.  He has an excellent midrange game but it all depends on handling the basketball.

It was almost impossible for Hughes to do this in Cleveland.  Lebron dominates the ball and rightfully so.  He's really stinking good with the ball in his hands.  Hughes was the wrong compliment to sign in the summer of '05, but he was the best of the crop.

by NBA Observer on Feb 22, 2008 8:12 AM CST   0 recs

you can start here...
with Hollinger's trade reviews. This is still on the Insider Free Preview at the moment by the by. It's not exactly glowing... but it's not as bad as admitted Cleveland homer Broussard's. The one real negative point worth mentioning is that Hollinger (as well as nearly every other columnist as you all know) believes this is the end of the Gordon years. Which I personally think is a huge mistake...

by micah on Feb 22, 2008 9:02 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I don't know
I do think one guard will be out.  It could be Gordon or Hinrich or Hughes.  But Gordon will remain the most likely departure due to the failure to reach a deal on an extension and how much more money it would take to reach a deal.

Gordon may end up a Knick this summer in a deal to acquire the expiring contract of Marbury.

by NBA Observer on Feb 22, 2008 9:10 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Gordon/Marbury
How would that work exactly?

by Mike Aparicio on Feb 22, 2008 11:23 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

sign and trade deal
Talk to Knicks.  Find out what they want to offer Gordon.  Sign that deal with Gordon.  Then trade him to NYK for Stephon Marbury's expiring contract.

Right now, if Marbury expires for NYK it won't even help them clear cap space.  So it's worthless to let it happen.  The Knicks could hold Marbury if they want and try to get a better deal, but they can't keep him to expire.  He's worth more as a trade.

Marbury wouldn't play for the Bulls.  We'd just keep him around if we wanted to trade him or just wait it out and let it expire.

by NBA Observer on Feb 22, 2008 11:31 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Wha?
How would that help us? The whole point of an expiring contract is cap relief. Why max out Gordon and then take on Marbury only to not have him play when you can just NOT SIGN GORDON in the first place?

Gordon will be a restricted free agent this summer and there are very few teams that will have cap space to offer him the deal he wants (or even the deal the Bulls already offered him, for that matter). If by some chance he's signed by another team for an amount equal to or less than what the Bulls offered him last summer, I'd expect Pax to match. More likely, Gordon will get no offers that match his over-inflated sense of self-worth and will sign the one-year tender in hopes of cashing in in 2009.

by Mike Aparicio on Feb 22, 2008 11:42 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

you'd package Gordon with someone
like Nocioni for the expiring contract.

Not that I think that's a good idea. With a package like that they should get a real player instead.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 22, 2008 12:59 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

You and Hollinger on the right track, but
it's not simply Hughes needing the ball more.  He's not efficient enough with the ball in the half court to deserve the ball.  When Hughes had his one career season, he took 51% of his shots in the 1st 10 seconds of the shot clock where he had an 3FG% of 51.4.  This year he was down to getting 32% of his shots in the 1st 10 seconds and only had 43.7 eFG%.  Hughes's needs transition points a lot more than he needs the ball in his hands.

by Scotter on Feb 22, 2008 9:32 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

This team is built to run again
While the offense hasn't been above average the last few years, they've at least run.  Right now the Bulls are middle of the pack in Pace.  I wouldn't be surprised to see them steadily climb over the remainder of the season.

by snley on Feb 22, 2008 9:45 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

They should have played faster
than they did last year from the very start.  I've done the pace calculations before and Smith and Wallace in the starting lineup significantly slowed the team down.

by Scotter on Feb 22, 2008 9:59 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

surprise
Wow, what a shock seeing this post.  I'd given up on the idea of getting a trade only to see this post.  If we weren't going to a land a superstar, this seems like the next best thing.  I'm not thrilled about Gooden (outside of next year's  contract), but overall  I am very pleased with this trade.  Hughes won't be as good as he was in Wash but it's hard to believe he could remain as bad as he was in Clev.  Plus, any trade that eliminates Wallace is a net-plus.  
As for cleveland, this is actually a nice trade.  It's about as good a fit for Wallace as there could be.  Of course, the patented standaround-n-watch'bron offense is one he'll fit in perfectly.
"...Keeping 'SlowHand' alive since aught-five"

by CookDing on Feb 22, 2008 8:51 AM CST   0 recs

Does this mean Paxson has job security?
I've read rumors from time to time that signing Wallace was Reinsdorf's idea, not Paxson's, which might mean that Paxson will not take as much heat for it as one might expect.  

Whatever the truth may be, by trading away his veterans and betting on youth, Paxson is not acting like someone who might lose his job this summer.  Then again, I suppose he didn't have much choice.  Standing pat certainly would not have secured his job.  But at this point I think he has bet the future on his young players, and if a couple or three of them don't turn into real stars in the next couple of years, Paxson may be out.

by Tim S. on Feb 22, 2008 8:52 AM CST   0 recs

Redemption is right around the corner
Paxson still faces some heavy challenges.
  • What do you do with Deng?
  • What do you do with Gordon?
  • Who will coach the team?
  • Who will the Bulls draft?
  • Where will the Bulls draft?
  • Who gets a new contract and who departs in free agency?  The Shannon Brown, Demetrius Nichols, Chris Duhon game.

by NBA Observer on Feb 22, 2008 9:07 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Keep Gordon and Deng
Worry about coaching now that the trade deadline is passed.
Worry about the extensions AFTER the new coach is brought in.
Don't worry about the draft until a coach is signed, at the earliest.

A new head coach probably isn't the single most important thing (re-signing Deng at a reasonable rate is, imo), but because of time frame and possible tactical strategy changes, it should be first.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Feb 22, 2008 9:24 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Sign Deng. Let Gordon go, unless he caves.
And he won't cave, because too many teams are willing to over pay for scoring.

The only proven great coach available is Larry Brown, and he has a high price tag and lots of baggage and doesn't honor his commitments.  Maybe Paxson should hire himself as coach!  If not, he should hire someone more patient than Skiles -- and more patient than Brown, for that matter.  Maybe it is someone we've never heard of, like the young Phil Jackson.  And maybe Paxson should hire some old assistants for a young coach.  It worked for Jackson.

I'm quite comfortable with Paxson's ability to draft and evaluate players, although I'm worried that he falls in love with them later.  I'm less confident in Paxson's ability to trade for a great player, particularly when Reinsdorf, unlike Buss, isn't willing to pay the luxury tax.  I don't think the Bulls should tank for a lottery pick.

by Tim S. on Feb 22, 2008 12:16 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I keep reading that Hughes
has a hard time staying healthy.  What have his injuries been?  Leg? Knee? Ankle? Back? Or what?  Does anybody know?

by eGirl on Feb 22, 2008 9:19 AM CST   0 recs

The Chad Ford speculation about Hughes...
...being the sticking point for so long needs to be considered. Remembering that point after I said BG is gonzo has given me renewed up.

If Pax was really, really reluctant to take Hughes, then it means:

A) the move was mostly about getting rid of Wallace and freeing up minutes for Noah/Thomas

and

B) Pax may not have "given up" on Gordon w/ this trade and might still want an "extended look" at him this year. As Matt says, I hope Hughes is the insurance to signing Gordon (and the way overpriced, yet still better, replacement to Duhon) not the excuse not to. A properly used backcourt of Hinrich, Gordon, Hughes and Sefolosha won't be the best, but should be among the top 1/3 overall.

----Oh, and the Bulls just lowered their average age by 1 1/2 years to 23.9 and now have no one 30 years old or older. BOLD MOVE PAX!!!

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Feb 22, 2008 9:21 AM CST   0 recs

yup
I really don't understand the giving up on Gordon sentiment. Getting rid of Wallace was the goal; adding Larry Hughes was collateral damage. The Bulls might as well use him instead of Duhon and maybe Sefolosha, but he's not good enough to warrant shoving anyone else out the door.

Plus - if Gordon does go, it wouldn't be shocking to see Hughes packaged with him.

Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Feb 22, 2008 9:39 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Other than Hughes
Paxson could have been asking for Ira Newble, Damon Jones, and Donyell Marshall if the Hughes contract was so bad.  But Cleveland was dealing with Seattle too.  Jones and Marshall's contracts expire after next season.

by NBA Observer on Feb 22, 2008 9:41 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

the chad ford trade chat
yesterday (half of it can be found in the BaB trade deadline thread)had Pax trying to not end up with Gooden. How much truth was really leaked to Ford is up in the air, but I doubt anyone was asking for Hughes.
Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Feb 22, 2008 9:47 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

i misunderstood your comment
nevermind.
Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Feb 22, 2008 9:47 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I thought the chat
said Pax was reluctant to take Hughes.  Which would prove the point that he hasn't given up on Gordon..

by Jaina on Feb 22, 2008 9:50 AM CST to parent up   0 recs