2008 Trade Deadline(2pm CST) thread

at least....

the trade deadline gives me something to ponder while at work. I mean NO! I won't do that...I'll be working hard...and have absolutely no time for such things.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 8:35 AM CST reply actions

prediction

2:01 PM CST

BaBLittleAchiever234evah: Paxton traded Duhon for nuthing! He could start on alot uv teamz! This is just the sam thing he did to Crawford and Jr. Smirth.

(a shame this stands for a positive attitude.)

Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Feb 21, 2008 9:03 AM CST reply actions

I like the name mis-spelling

It's so hard to look at a comment referring to Paxon and not start laughing.

by KT on Feb 21, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions

duhon...

I'd be happy if he were traded for a ham sandwich.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 9:06 AM CST reply actions

I hope Pax releases Boylan and coaches the rest of the season. I could not possibly imagine a worse coach than Boylan and if Pax takes the reins, presumably, he'd play the kids more because he recognizes that developing this team's talent and making the playoffs are not mutually exclusive. This will enable Pax to make more informed decisions this summer about what he wants to do with his core because I think he has difficulty valuing assets (see exhibit 1: Andres Nocioni) from his office.

By the way, Windhorst is hinting that big things are about to go down in Cleveland. (h/t: FanHouse)

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 9:12 AM CST reply actions

I bet...

they're going after the birdman.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 9:16 AM CST up reply actions

Couple things

here. First of all what makes you think Paxon would do a better job than Boylan? Who i think is the worst coach in the league! Secondly this Ben Gordon crap at the end of games is so disturbing it makes me want to puke. No wonder he wants 15mil because the Bulls treat him like he's MJ. Thirdly the Bulls got jobbed last night by the refs on more than one occasion. Whats the deal with those substitutions all game long? My god someone slap Boylan in the back of the head. So much for earning your minutes back BG played like 30 something minutes last night. PS Maybe Kirk should go back to the bench he seemed to play better there. TT was ok last night. Seems like the only one who can get to the line. JN was in foul trouble but i thought he shouldve played through it since it meant more corpse (which is never a good thing). We need to make a trade so bad.

PSS Did anyone see Pau Gasol last night or that guy Kobe Bryant. Man to think we MIGHT/COULDVE/SHOULDVE/WOULDVE have had either of those guys on our team.

by Bulls4Ever on Feb 21, 2008 9:31 AM CST reply actions

woah

It's not 2:01 yet. Punchlines are all about timing.

Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Feb 21, 2008 9:32 AM CST up reply actions

Where are those mean boys

from yesterday who made fun of Marcus Williams? Yes he had a few turnovers, but he was so much more adept with the ball than anyone on the Bulls.

Can we revive the Nocioni for Williams talk? I know it would scramble our guard picture even more than it already is, but it's only scrambled because nobody's good enough to absolutely stand out from the crowd. Last night's game showed that even a near-rookie-but-gifted ball handler/passer can dominate the offensive game flow.

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 9:46 AM CST reply actions

Please

don't start the Marcus Williams all-star bandwagon just yet. It was a special Olympics type game with two less then mediocre teams battling it out for the ' World's tallest Midget ' award.

by RogersPark Kris on Feb 21, 2008 10:01 AM CST up reply actions

that made me think of...

this.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 10:20 AM CST up reply actions

The most obvious deficiency

on the Bulls is at point guard, and the best ones in the draft will be gone by the middle of the first round. Williams would be a huge upgrade for the Bulls. I say go get him. New Jersey is silly for thinking that Devin Harris is better than Williams. If Paxson is smart he'll swoop in before NJ figures that out.

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 10:26 AM CST up reply actions

I like it better everyday

but mostly because of rising Noc-bile.

At least Williams is under contract and gives the Bulls reason enough not to re-sign Duhon

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions

KD had a great mini-rant about Noc

in todays behind the boxscore. Im not up on the whole linking thing, but it basically mocked him for his usual ploy of leaving his man wide open in an attempt to take a charge.

by Mike C on Feb 21, 2008 10:31 AM CST up reply actions

Every game I watch I get more convinced that Noc

is an awful perimeter defender. He gets caught out of position a lot, doesn't have the footspeed to both help AND recover, and his guy routinely blows by him. He also gets posterized quite a bit.

The dude's an undersized four. Or rather, he's an undersized four defensively, and an underskilled three offensively. I think he could be a valueable player off the bench, as long as we have a coach with the mind to utilize him effectively. The combination of Boylan and injuries have not served him well.

by Freethefro on Feb 21, 2008 10:43 AM CST up reply actions

On a recent telecast,

I heard Jeff Van Gundy say that when a player is a `tweener' you should play him where he matches up quicknesswise rather than where he matches up sizewise. That would make Nocioni primarily a 4, where it should at least reduce the number of times he fails to get back to his man on the perimeter.

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 11:00 AM CST up reply actions

I agree with JVG's philosophy on that

unfortunately the Bulls have lots o' 4s.

4 more years(on the contract)!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 11:04 AM CST up reply actions

As much as the Bulls get killed by dribble

penetration from the perimeter, the more I question as to why the Bulls are so reluctant to try switching to more of a zone type defense. This man-to-man D is not working.

by RogersPark Kris on Feb 21, 2008 11:03 AM CST up reply actions

if we could trade Noc for Marcus Williams

I say yeah. Time to start rebuilding this team. I mean "reloading." (Or unloading. As in salary.)

by Freethefro on Feb 21, 2008 10:18 AM CST up reply actions

I'm tired of all the Noc hate

Sure his contract isn't sensational, but it's not bad either. It just looks bad when we've got Joe Smith for less.

Nocioni's a solid player and one of the few who constantly tries to do something on this lackluster team. That says enough for me. Save Chapu!

If the rest of this team wasn't so inept, we would likely value Noc more....

I would be pissed if we got rid of Nocioni for another hack player who doesn't know how to play under pressure.....Noc is the only Bull who has any fire to him at all, the rest of the guys (Even Gordon) go through moments of complete ineptness.

Noc has his bad shooting nights, and the occasional dumb turnover or bad defensive set, but he more than makes up for it.

The Noc hate here is ridiculous. He's not a star, but then again he's hardly paid as a star. He's a solid 6th man and paid as such (maybe marginally too high, but not materially too high). He's still a starter on plenty of ball clubs too, but is effect in bursts off the bench.

I mean the guy avg's almost 22 pts in 40 minutes. He's been in a bit of a shooting slump, but he'll get over it, and has played better than avg more than he's had bad games.

by majoyenrac on Feb 21, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions

base year bad luck

The Noc contract looks awful in its base year at 8.5 mil and the added difficulty in trading BYC contracts. Is it worse than Hinrich's? Hell no. Hinrich is having a poor season, but his contract is a heck of a lot worse than Nocioni's.

My only issue with Noc's contract is the length. I like a max of 4 years for bench player contracts. Beyond that and you're getting yourself into trouble.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions

I agree

With all your points. I do think Hinrich will bounce back and was in a slump this year (his contract seemed very reasonable and I believe dips down to $8M in 4 yrs, which seems more than worthy if he plays even at his current level--which is the worst level of his career).

Noc's contract is bad in the length and it's also bad because of our almost inconceivable struggles this year (making Noc, someone who could have been a trading chip when we were bad, into an untradable asset this year when we needed to make a big trade since he's got the BYC)....If this team performed like or close to expectations (basically if we were a shade over .500, most would be happy with Noc, that's all I'm saying....

He just stands out because he would be tradable, but isn't due to timing.

Thankfully we made a splash yesterday, I love hearing all the talk that Big Ben's going to be a difference maker and now puts Cleveland in the mix for the ECF......Gooden's been better than Ben this year, and while Hughes is a bad contract, who knows he could be good again in a different offensive set playing without a similarly styled (though far more skilled) James....

I like the trade for the Bulls.....it at least starts pointing us to the future. Having 2 more years of Ben's declining skills and even less motivation, would really have put us in the cellar.

by majoyenrac on Feb 22, 2008 10:06 AM CST up reply actions

I'd love for four players to be traded...

Nocioni, Smith, Wallace and Duhon, of course. But I'd settle for two of the four in Smith and Duhon. That would, unfortunately, be 55-60 minutes of PT; it's sad that those two guys have been getting nearly 25% of the team's playing time lately. If Duhon doesn't get traded, I would actually be afraid of the Bulls re-signing him. Wallace and Nocioni could at least be useful pieces in sign-and-trades this summer, right? (seems like it)

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2008 10:19 AM CST reply actions

That OT last night

was an abomination. I loved watching the "chess" match as Boylan and Frank alternately changed their lineups to put Boki and Noc at the 4 spots. But my god, did you see the spacing out there for each team?!?

by Mike C on Feb 21, 2008 10:33 AM CST reply actions

This is typically

The most exciting day in the NBA and the most boring day for Bulls fans.

The most exciting read so far has been . . .

Riley calling the Bulls for info on Curry

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 10:37 AM CST reply actions

Well so much

for Joe Smith going anywhere.

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/305603

by Bulls4Ever on Feb 21, 2008 10:39 AM CST reply actions

I'd take

Joe Smith for Jason Kapono (Kapono has been rumoured to be on the block).

I think Joe is a better player than Jason--because all Jason can do is shoot, but he's a lights out shooter).

I would make this trade though just because it would be interesting for the Bulls to actually have 2 real shooters on the team, 2 offensive minded wings for once in Kapono and Gordon.

Jason would come off the bench, and free up time for Tyrus.

I agree with everyone's post that that OT was hard to watch yesterday. The refs didn't help matters with their one sided ticky-tackness, but at the same time the Bulls looked worse than even their record would indicate.....

by majoyenrac on Feb 21, 2008 12:34 PM CST up reply actions

Kapono is a defensive liability

A major one. This is why Toronto is shopping him. The emergence of Jamario Moon and the steady contributions of Anthony Parker make the Kapono signing look at that worse.

I think we can do better than Kapono.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 12:44 PM CST up reply actions

I'm checking like you guys - nothing so far

Thanks for the Toronto update above. Last night's game makes me reconsider making major changes. I do believe we need to first hire the coach before doing this. We need to have harmony between the coach's philosophy and the changes. Most likely this would occur during the summer. The next big decision will be who is going to coach this team?

by chgobr on Feb 21, 2008 10:52 AM CST reply actions

in other news...

BG just fell down again. Quick, some one get him a Lifeline medic alert. Maybe Pax could trade for one...

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions

A deal was attempted

but Paxson was unwilling to part with any members of his core, as well as his promising youngsters. "While a Lifeline medic might help in assisted some of our more disoriented players, I will not make changes for the sake of making change," Paxson responded. "I'd like to see what this core can do before dismantling it. We're in the midst of a playoff race."

by Freethefro on Feb 21, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions

Paxson concluded by adding,

"It is what it is."

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions

ha-ha

Even Kendall Gill mentioned Ben Gordon falling down on the postgame last night.

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions

Well...

not falling down on the post game. Ak!

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions

Wallace Trade

I just read that the Magic tried to get Kurt Thomas before the Spurs swooped in. Seems Wallace might be something that they'd consider up front with Howard.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/02/21/deadline.notes/index.html?eref=T1

I think I'd actually do this trade to get out from underneath his contract, and to get Noah/Thomas/Gray more PT. I don't know if the Magic would be willing to take the hit financially, but it seems like they're serious about making a run and want some help for Howard (Bosh did torch them for 40 last night and Van Gundy ripped Howard in the press again). I'd even take the 1st rounder out if the Magic balked.

Bulls:
Magic 2008 1st Rounder
Garrity
Foyle
Dooling
Arroyo
Augustine

Magic:
Wallace
Nichols

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3223~885~1055~2985~209~254~264&teams=1 9~19~4~4~4~4~4&te=&cash=

by FPax on Feb 21, 2008 11:03 AM CST reply actions

I'd do this...

Only because of Auggie.

Hell, if they want HasBen, make the deal.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 11:10 AM CST up reply actions

What's interesting

In the SI article, it mentions that the Bulls and Pacers have had little talks.

Wonder bout what?

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 11:12 AM CST up reply actions

I think he meant in general

not talking with each other.

by Freethefro on Feb 21, 2008 11:13 AM CST up reply actions

I'm with you on this

Here is the past diary on the possibility of sending the Corpse to Orlando

by chgobr on Feb 21, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions

I would do this too

I know Arroyo is maddenly inconsistent, but he'd be a huge upgrade over Duhon in the passing department coming off the bench.

Keyon Dooling also can be a flashy, Pargo-esque player without the jacking up all the shots.

I think we'd have to remove the Magic 1st rounder, we easily could have gotten that and more before this season, but we're already fetching a lot for Big Ben considering his production this year....

I don't know if I pull the trigger if I'm the Magic though.....they might want Duhon, who while I bashed above, Duhon might fit their team better as he's more consistent than Arroyo, and that's something they need with their 3 bigs (Howard, Lewis, and Turkaglu).

by majoyenrac on Feb 21, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions

Ow!

;)

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions

Well played

Props for contributing a new vibe around here, eGirl.

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 11:39 AM CST up reply actions

Anything to get rid of Wallace

C'mon, Pax loves guys from Duke. There's no way he doesn't have a man-crush on Battier.

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 11:42 AM CST up reply actions

F Duke

by Zac23 on Feb 21, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions

Hey--why do you say that?

One of our local boys just scored 27 for them last night...too bad they lost.

Zac, I'm sorry we've already disagreed on a couple of things. Don't take it personally.

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions

while I would love

to sit here and imagine for Pax to pull off some miracle in the next hour or two...I'd only be fooling myself. He hasn't made a mid-season trade since he's been GM, why the hell start now??

Let's all face it...this is our team for the rest of the season, like it (few do) or not (most don't).

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 21, 2008 11:48 AM CST reply actions

Seriously, though..

...a smart GM isn't looking for a lot of "value" out of Joe Smith right now. Fuck winning. (this year)

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2008 11:51 AM CST reply actions

from the ESPN chat

with Chad Ford...

"Michael East Providence, RI: I feel that the Chicago Bulls need a big man for a low post player. What are the chances that the Chicago Bulls will make a trade today for get that type of player.

Chad Ford: (1:05 PM ET ) After another bad loss last night ... you have to wonder what Paxson is thinking? They have assets, but seem to be paralyzed in making a move. Maybe he feels it's best to let this season play out and then fix things in the summer. So no ... I don't think the Bulls are dealing."

Damn.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 12:11 PM CST reply actions

Please Pax, Please

Chad Ford: (1:19 PM ET ) Hold on a second ... have to take this call on a possible trade ...

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Ryan, Chicago: Please tell me Ben Wallace is on the move

Chad Ford: (1:24 PM ET ) Maybe ... call was about Ben Wallace in a possible deal with the Cavs. I've got to stress that it was from what I'd call a third party source ... not someone directly involved in the negotiations. So ... take it with a grain of salt ... but interesting ...

by FPax on Feb 21, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions

Oh shit!

Chad Ford: (1:19 PM ET ) Hold on a second ... have to take this call on a possible trade ...

Ryan, Chicago: Please tell me Ben Wallace is on the move

Chad Ford: (1:24 PM ET ) Maybe ... call was about Ben Wallace in a possible deal with the Cavs. I've got to stress that it was from what I'd call a third party source ... not someone directly involved in the negotiations. So ... take it with a grain of salt ... but interesting ...

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions

getting my hopes up...

Also from the Ford chat...BW may be heading to the Cavs?!?!?!

Eric (Tampa): Chad...Do you see the Nets making another move? Heard anything?

Chad Ford: (1:19 PM ET ) There was some talk last night about a potential deal for Nene that would include the expiring contracts of Magloire, Bostjan Nachbar and Darrell Armstrong ... but the word this morning is that those talks have cooled significantly. I'm not sure why you risk it with Nene right now. He's been diagnosed with testicular cancer and he has 4 years, $43 million left on his deal.

Chad Ford: (1:19 PM ET ) Hold on a second ... have to take this call on a possible trade ...

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Ryan, Chicago: Please tell me Ben Wallace is on the move

Chad Ford: (1:24 PM ET ) Maybe ... call was about Ben Wallace in a possible deal with the Cavs. I've got to stress that it was from what I'd call a third party source ... not someone directly involved in the negotiations. So ... take it with a grain of salt ... but interesting ...

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 12:26 PM CST up reply actions

interesting

Ryan, Chicago: Please tell me Ben Wallace is on the move

Chad Ford: (1:24 PM ET ) Maybe ... call was about Ben Wallace in a possible deal with the Cavs. I've got to stress that it was from what I'd call a third party source ... not someone directly involved in the negotiations. So ... take it with a grain of salt ... but interesting ...

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 21, 2008 12:26 PM CST reply actions

He added more..

Chad Ford: (1:25 PM ET ) The deal as I heard it ... by the way ... had Drew Gooden, Ira Newble, Shannon Brown and Cederic Simmons coming back to Chicago.

by SRQman on Feb 21, 2008 12:27 PM CST up reply actions

the Bulls would get...

Drew Gooden, Ira Newble, Shannon Brown and Cederic Simmons.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions

in return

Chad Ford: (1:25 PM ET ) The deal as I heard it ... by the way ... had Drew Gooden, Ira Newble, Shannon Brown and Cederic Simmons coming back to Chicago.

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 21, 2008 12:28 PM CST up reply actions

jinx

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions

addition

Chad Ford: (1:25 PM ET ) The deal as I heard it ... by the way ... had Drew Gooden, Ira Newble, Shannon Brown and Cederic Simmons coming back to Chicago.

How quickly can Pax say yes?

"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 12:29 PM CST up reply actions

Wow I'm slow.

I'll let you guys post the chat tidbits going forward.

"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 12:30 PM CST up reply actions

HAHAHA!

I think everyone just thought that same exact thing!!

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 12:27 PM CST reply actions

Perfect Wallace trade

Bulls get Jason Williams, Ricky Davis, David Lee
Knicks get Ben Wallace
Heat get Eddy Curry, Fred Jones

I ran it on the NBA trade machine last night and it works. Heat get Eddy Curry, who they for some reason want. Bulls get 2 expiring contracts and David Lee, a promising PF. And the Knicks get Ben Wallace, who they pair with Zach Randolph as the defensive ace.

Someone get Paxson on the phone! This trade makes too much sense.

by danger mouse on Feb 21, 2008 12:28 PM CST reply actions

The only negativ

Is why would the Heat rid themselves of both of their awesome expiring contracts for Eddy Curry?

by majoyenrac on Feb 21, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions

David Lee is off limits

According to Isiah. Every team calls the NYK asking about him. Teams are even willing to take on one of the Knicks awful contracts just to get David Lee's rebounding.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 12:46 PM CST up reply actions

Marion being actively shopped

Looks like Miamis prediction of Wade+Marion being like Jordan+Pippen wont have a chance to prosper.

It looks like he is heading towards Cleveland, but without a doubt we could throw them a better offer.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/51011/20080221/gms_miami_shopping_marion/

by BG07theDrink on Feb 21, 2008 12:30 PM CST reply actions

wow...

Bron and the Matrix? Wow, might be fun to watch.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions

Maybe the Cavs

could wrangle a way to take both Wallace and Matrix and make a big push to get back to the finals? I'd be happy to help em with that.

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 1:00 PM CST up reply actions

breaking

Ryan, Chicago: Please tell me Ben Wallace is on the move

SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:24 PM ET ) Maybe ... call was about Ben Wallace in a possible deal with the Cavs. I've got to stress that it was from what I'd call a third party source ... not someone directly involved in the negotiations. So ... take it with a grain of salt ... but interesting ...

SportsNation Chad Ford: (1:25 PM ET ) The deal as I heard it ... by the way ... had Drew Gooden, Ira Newble, Shannon Brown and Cederic Simmons coming back to Chicago.

by JSlakov on Feb 21, 2008 12:32 PM CST reply actions

love it

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=885~2992~1711~601~3030&teams=5~4~4~4~4 &te=&cash=

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 21, 2008 12:35 PM CST up reply actions

Re: love it

Fantastic deal with Newble and Brown coming off the books this year, and Gooden having an expiring contract next year.

I would change my login if Pax pulled this one off.

by FPax on Feb 21, 2008 12:38 PM CST up reply actions

If Gooden were coming back

I suspect more than just Wallace is going out. Gooden's not great, but he's a solid player on a solid contract, so why would they trade him for Wallace?

They won't unless they're getting something major back (a pick?, Gordon? etc.). That's my view anyway.

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions

Lets trade Kirk

Hinrich for Ronnie Brewer. according to Sam Smith they would want a starter for Brewer. I would do that in a second. Bulls would have to take on a bad contract. Kirk v. Brewer?

by Zac23 on Feb 21, 2008 12:36 PM CST reply actions

I think Chad Ford's "Phone Calls"

are just him checking the realgm wiretap.

"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions

I beg for a Wallace trade

more than a playoff push!

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions

Begging

sometimes works.

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions

HA!

Not what my wife says.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 12:41 PM CST up reply actions

I second that!

"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 12:45 PM CST up reply actions

Sam Smith speculates that

Gordon will be part of a sign and trade this offseason:

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-080220asksamsmith,1,7622067.story ?page=2

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 12:40 PM CST reply actions

God, I hope

that happens.

by sue369 on Feb 21, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions

in WNBA news...

Candace Parker is skipping her senior year...

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 12:40 PM CST reply actions

with the 13th pick in the 2008 nba draft

the chicago bulls select candace parker!

by Conor on Feb 21, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions

oh please please trade Ben Wallace

I'd take that Cavs deal in a second.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 12:47 PM CST reply actions

thats what im wondering

Clark (Durham, NC): Why would the Cavs trade for Ben Wallace?

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 21, 2008 12:48 PM CST reply actions

This is why?

Clark (Durham, NC): Why would the Cavs trade for Ben Wallace?

Chad Ford: (1:47 PM ET ) To make that work financially the deal would have to look like this:

Ben Wallace, Chris Duhon and Joe Smith to Cleveland for Drew Gooden, Donyell Marshall, Ira Newble, Shannon Brown, Devin Brown and Cederic Simmons ... unless Ilgauskas is in this deal.

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions

Ben and Du

even better

Ben Wallace, Chris Duhon and Joe Smith to Cleveland for Drew Gooden, Donyell Marshall, Ira Newble, Shannon Brown, Devin Brown and Cederic Simmons ... unless Ilgauskas is in this deal.

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 21, 2008 12:50 PM CST reply actions

Yes Please!!!

I'm getting giddy with all this Bew Wallace being traded talk in the chat. Which means it probably won't happen.

"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions

This gem:

Bryan (N. Canton, OH): OK So what was the new call all about?

Chad Ford: (1:44 PM ET ) Sorry ... another GM who was reading the chat wanting more details on the Wallace deal ...

LOL at this guy.

Maybe it was Paxson calling Ford to ask what he should do.

by mruntouchable on Feb 21, 2008 12:50 PM CST reply actions

god

when I first saw that I thought it was really happening.

by JSlakov on Feb 21, 2008 12:51 PM CST reply actions

i have meetings all afternoon

wont know what happens until 4 :(

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 21, 2008 12:52 PM CST reply actions

Screw meetings!

Wallace might get traded. this is a life changing event!! Don't you want to be there when it happens?????

"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 12:55 PM CST up reply actions

maybe in honor of Wallace being traded

I'll be late

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Feb 21, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions

I betcha

it's nothing.

Wallace is too pricey, Gordon's value is too low with his talk of big bucks in the $15M/season range, teams don't want to trade a few solid youngs to get a guy they won't resign.

Hinrich's a BYC and had a horrid start.

Noc is a BYC and thus his cost this year is too high (but he might be nice trade bait in the future, although I'm a noc fan).

Deng's value peaked last summer, he's dropped to reality and might even be a little on the low side due to his injuries.

Duhon is Duhon, an expiring contract and decent enough player but we aren't going to get anything valuable enough to replace him, so why trade him, plus it's not like teams are lining the phones asking about Duh.

Paxson would be stupid to trade Noah, Sef, T2 unless we could get a Marion, etc, which ain't happening.

I like the Cleveland trades for Wallace, but I'd be surprised if Larry Hughes's albatross contract and injury pronness wouldn't be involved.

Joe Smith makes the most sense to trade because of how well he's done in his minutes, but really he's a solid value, and hardly our problem (I know all the blah blah he steals minutes for T2 and JN) but no bother, without Joltin Joe, we'd really really be tough to watch this year.....

SO yeah I expect we'll do nothing, but it might be interesting to see what everyone else does.

by majoyenrac on Feb 21, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions

Hughes

You guessed it:

Terry (Cleveland, OH): Any updates on deals concerning Cleveland?

Chad Ford: (2:03 PM ET ) I'm getting lots of phone calls now ... sorry for delays. One source says the hold up in a Chicago-Cavs deal is that Cleveland wants Chicago to take back Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden for Ben Wallace, Joe Smith and Duhon. I can't really see the Bulls doing that. Hughes has two years, $26 million left on his contract and where do the Bulls play him?

by FPax on Feb 21, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions

I gotta say

Ford is spending quite a bit of time on the Wallace situation. God only hopes their is truth to it

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 12:53 PM CST reply actions

more to add . .

Todd (Westerville, OH): Why would the Cavs trade for Wallace when the need more offensive help for Lebron?

Chad Ford: (1:50 PM ET ) Ummmm ....All I can say is that owner Dan Gilbert is a huge Pistons fan ... maybe he sees something we don't. Duhon would help them. And for the Bulls ... Gooden is OK ... and they clear some cap ... but this is essentially a lateral move as far as winning this season

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions

PLEASE SAY YES

Andrew Cleveland,Ohio: Is the Chicago-Cavs deal final?

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 12:56 PM CST up reply actions

DAMN

Chad Ford: (1:55 PM ET ) No ... I want to stress that. What we've heard is that they have had talks. That's it. We all keep hearing that they've also been talking to Seattle about Wally Szczerbiak too. Not sure what's up with that.

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 12:57 PM CST up reply actions

Edge of my seat......

Andrew Cleveland,Ohio: Is the Chicago-Cavs deal final?

"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 12:56 PM CST reply actions

Dammit!!!

Chad Ford: (1:55 PM ET ) No ... I want to stress that. What we've heard is that they have had talks. That's it. We all keep hearing that they've also been talking to Seattle about Wally Szczerbiak too. Not sure what's up with that.

"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 12:56 PM CST reply actions

What an awesome trade that would be

Not only would the Bulls get rid of Wallace, they'd also sabotage a division rival! Lebron is so unselfish that he'll actually pass Wallace the ball underneath the basket, only to see him miss dunks and layups. Do it Pax!

by Big D on Feb 21, 2008 1:00 PM CST reply actions

that trade

the only downside would be having to give up Joe Smith who actually could help the Cavs and continues to be one of our best players.

by JSlakov on Feb 21, 2008 1:04 PM CST reply actions

It wouldn't be a downside

for Joe though. He seems to have a positive attitude here, but when he was traded the team had high expectations for the season. Instead of conference contenders he came to...this. I'd be happy to see him go to a team that is closer to the top. He doesn't have a lot left in his career but he could contribute and see results with the Cavs.

by cranscape on Feb 21, 2008 1:08 PM CST up reply actions

And nothing is happening/nothing happened

How absolutely gutless of ownership/management. I'm not sure what they're waiting for.

Joe Smith and Ben Wallace do some things better than others. But what they do most is get in the way of the development of Noah and Tyrus Thomas (and Aaron Gray). Duhon similarly gets in the way of Thabo developing (though he's more of a 1 and Thabo's more of a 2, the Bulls' other guards are combo guards anyway).

It's clear all 3 of these Bulls would help Cleveland tremendously.

I suppose that what to do with Hughes is a question, but acquiring him theoretically makes Deng expendable. Not that he's equal to Deng, mind you, just that theoretically, Thabo and Hughes can each play the 2 or 3, with Noc backing them up.

The Bulls can then trade Deng for other value elsewhere in their current lineup or down the line.

But like I said, seems like nothing happened, so ownership/management is just gutless if this is true.

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Feb 21, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions

WOW!

Chad Ford: (2:03 PM ET ) I'm getting lots of phone calls now ... sorry for delays. One source says the hold up in a Chicago-Cavs deal is that Cleveland wants Chicago to take back Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden for Ben Wallace, Joe Smith and Duhon. I can't really see the Bulls doing that. Hughes has two years, $26 million left on his contract and where do the Bulls play him?

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 1:07 PM CST reply actions

I think I still take the deal

We'd get one less year in the Wallace deal and for less money. Plus Hughes may be useful. If not, give him the Tim Thomas treatment.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions

I so would!

I would do this in a second. Plus Hughes would be a bargaining chip next year if he didn't

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions

Wait

Nevermind. Chad Ford is wrong. Larry Hughes has 2 more seasons after this season guaranteed. The cap savings would be minimal.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:13 PM CST up reply actions

He could be useful

and take Duhon's minutes. At least then we could have a big guard out there most of the time with him and Thabo.

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions

Though I do want to add

it's a high price. I never really liked Hughes. But I probably would still do this deal.

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions

Agreed

Hughes can still play pretty good defense. His shot is questionable and he cannot make threes, but he makes free throws and handles the ball better than Hinrich, Gordon and Duhon.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions

i have always been a fan of hughes' game because

of his defense...offense not so much, but hey, when compared to wallace's offensive ability, i am not going to complain

by Conor on Feb 21, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions

it's the same amount of years

yes I'd do it too.

Wallace trade checklist:

Are you getting back players with contracts of equal or lesser length than Ben Wallace?

Are you getting back players not named Ben Wallace?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions

ok

Hughes and Gooden are both good players. I always like a deal that sends away bad and gets good. we might have to pay big $ to get better.

by Zac23 on Feb 21, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions

Hughes is fine

Mainly b/c you only have to put up with him for 45 games/season.

Big Ben must go. We're not doing it without getting someone else's baggage.

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 1:16 PM CST up reply actions

It's true

did Pax really think he could get away with NOT taking on Hughes in talks with Cleveland?

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions

Maybe Paxson

is looking through old BaB diaries. Hold on let me find it.

by Jesse07 on Feb 21, 2008 1:15 PM CST up reply actions

2:05

ric bucher: Ben Wallace and Duhon for Larry Hughes

by Zac23 on Feb 21, 2008 1:07 PM CST reply actions

rumor

by Zac23 on Feb 21, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions

Cavs?

if we are going to make a trade with the Cavs maybe we should just get Lebron

by Zac23 on Feb 21, 2008 1:14 PM CST reply actions

Damn it

There it is, that thing called HOPE....man the next 45 minutes are gonna suck...the 48 hours after that might be death...might be....damn it...

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 1:14 PM CST reply actions

less then one hour left.

tick, tick. Come on Pax, getting rid of BW right before the trade line would rank right up there with your game-winning 3 against Phoenix in the finals!

by RogersPark Kris on Feb 21, 2008 1:15 PM CST reply actions

LOL

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 1:17 PM CST up reply actions

"Paxson for three.... YES! YES!...

... He hit the three!!!"

Thanks for hearkening back to my namesake... those were good times.

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions

oh, Chad. Why do you tease?

We have multiple confirmations about the Bulls-Cavs talking. The hang-up seems to be the Cavs insisting that Larry Hughes be in the deal. If that's dropped, I'm told Bulls would agree.

Dub (Chicago): Any chance that Ben Gordon gets moved in the Cleveland/Chicago deal?

SportsNation Chad Ford: (2:16 PM ET ) I think there's a zero percent chance of that happening.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 1:19 PM CST reply actions

No kidding

I don't think I could handle the emotional letdown of this not happening.

Are we really so close to the clock striking 12 on Big Ben???

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 1:20 PM CST up reply actions

Wooh

That was a nice metaphore....

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions

What can I say?

Wallace leaving Chicago is some pretty inspirational shit! :)

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 1:25 PM CST up reply actions

LMAO. There is no way this trade happens.

Come on. This is Paxson. And the BULLS.

Ford is just ginning up interest in his chat.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:20 PM CST reply actions

Ford is just a pawn

I don't doubt he talks to GMs. but they talk to him for their own interest. Maybe Paxson is feeding Chad this info so he looks like he gave the ol' college try before the deadline :)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 1:21 PM CST up reply actions

LOL. Probably.

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by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions

Crazy stuff

Dale: Any updates to pass on?

Chad Ford: (2:15 PM ET ) Not yet ... I'll update you. We have multiple confirmations about the Bulls-Cavs talking. The hang-up seems to be the Cavs insisting that Larry Hughes be in the deal. If that's dropped, I'm told Bulls would agree.

Dub (Chicago): Any chance that Ben Gordon gets moved in the Cleveland/Chicago deal?

Chad Ford: (2:16 PM ET ) I think there's a zero percent chance of that happening.

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 1:21 PM CST reply actions

I could FEEL it!

Please let it happen!

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 1:22 PM CST reply actions

I posted BW and Duhon to CLE 16 days ago.

http://www.blogabull.com/story/2008/2/5/204914/2729

Only got 1 comment :(

by Jesse07 on Feb 21, 2008 1:23 PM CST reply actions

20 Schrute Bucks

Although if you believe the Matt theory that Pax is using Chad Ford to make it look like he's doing something, I think this proves that Pax is a BAB reader.

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions

Just imagine

If they do that deal

You would think Noah would start and Thomas would be the first guy off the bench at the PF position

Oh man, I'm gettin excited . . . prolly for no reason

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 1:24 PM CST reply actions

Wouldn't Tyrus be the starter at the 4?

Or do you think that Gooden would start?

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions

Knowing Boylan

Gooden starts

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions

With Gray or go small with Noc at 4

Of course, Deng still needs his 20 min limit, so I guess that would mean Griffin starting at the 3

by snley on Feb 21, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions

With a major personnel overhaul,

maybe Pax has to come down and get more hands on to see how the guys all fit together. I think if he were to take over for Boylan--even if only for the last 29 games--the guys would give it their all to impress the boss.

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions

SI

I guess this is the "mysterious trade" they were referring to earlier today. Let's hope they're wrong, and it goes through.

"More trade chatter
* I can confirm that the Cavaliers are indeed pursuing a big "mysterious'' trade Thursday, though it is unlikely to be consummated."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/02/21/deadline.notes/index.html?eref=T1

by FPax on Feb 21, 2008 1:26 PM CST reply actions

I like your alias

Keep it regardless if Paxson can bury the corpse in another city.

There's still more that Paxson must do to lose the "F".

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions

crap swap

if the Cavs insist on Hughes, Pax should insist on pawning off the Noc.

(not all crap is created equal, y'all know what I mean)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 1:26 PM CST reply actions

but aren't we already trading

even bigger crap than Noc? :)

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions

Hughes

at least has some potential to help us.

Wallace's potential to help us is pretty close to 0.

And Hughes is slightly cheaper.

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 1:31 PM CST up reply actions

One at a time

Without Isiah, flushing Wallace and Noc down the same toilet isn't going to be easy.

Paxson's got to have some leverage here. Gilbert's hopefully freaking out knowing he's got to make Lebron happy. Best case scenario is Lebron loves playing with Hughes and so Gilbert can't include him.

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions

after watching noc last night

i love this idea. i actually think he would be a decent fit on the cavs. he could stand at the three point line and chuck away

by Mike C on Feb 21, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions

Good thing

The trade deadline doesnt happen at like midnight or something, cuz i would be anxious until then, and probably so dissapointed afterwards that i wouldnt get any sleep...anyone else stuck going back and fourth between blogabull and espn waiting for a confirmation?

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 1:27 PM CST reply actions

stuck

by Zac23 on Feb 21, 2008 1:29 PM CST up reply actions

Yep, + RealGM

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 1:30 PM CST up reply actions

Seriously

the past 35 minutes (since I've started paying attention) have taken forever. 25 more minutes seems so long from now.

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions

Why would the Bulls do the deal if it didn't

afford them any cap relief?

I'm curious.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:31 PM CST reply actions

For that matter, why would Cleveland want to

do this deal?

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:32 PM CST up reply actions

no more team votes on suspensions....

Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions

Do you think that the Bulls simply consider

Wallace to be an aging, disruptive, redundant asset who can be easily replaced by Noah/Gray?

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions

that would be the nice way to put it.

Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions

I hope they do

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions

Doesn't everyone?

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions

He's an obstacle to player development

He takes minutes from players that are going to make us better. PLaying Wallace now only stalls their development.

They are Noah, Thomas, and Gray. We have to get Thomas as much time at the 4 as possible. This is the position he should play.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:42 PM CST up reply actions

maybe not cap relief now

but it's worth it to get a package of more tradeable assets than Wallace.

Hughes makes slightly less, btw.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions

A little cap relief

Hughes is slightly cheaper, but expires at the same time
Hughes is not Ben Wallace
One can at least imagine Hughes regaining some of his Wizards era form. His last several games, in fact, have been fairly strong.

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions

Any chance that the Bulls would be interested in

Hughes if, as Sam Smith speculates, Gordon is going to be the subject of a sign and trade this offseason?

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions

And to reiterate

4. Hughes is not Ben Wallace

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions

why is there a hang up???

would you rather have ben wallace for the next two years, or larry hughes? is it that difficult of a choice???? remember, there is still potential with hughes, you can stick a fork in wallace.

by Conor on Feb 21, 2008 1:31 PM CST reply actions

yup

Hughes has game. He torched us (KIRK) in the playoffs with the Wiz a couple of years ago.

by Zac23 on Feb 21, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions

that was arenas...

Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions

Actually

It was Hughes

I remember him and Gordon trading baskets

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions

which one was kirk on

because Arenas got him at the end.

Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions

WOW

I didnt think it was ever possible, but your hate for kirk actually might be greater than my fanboyism for him, remarkable...disturbing, yes... but remarkable.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions

Predictable, too.

Zac, have you ever made a comment that did not involve expressing your strong dislike of everything Kirk?

Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Feb 21, 2008 1:45 PM CST up reply actions

Nope he hasn't.

by sue369 on Feb 21, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions

Was it Kirk or Gordon?

Hughes owned us in that series. We couldn't stop him from getting into the paint for 12-15 jumpers.

I don't remember if Kirk was guarding Hughes or if he was guarding Arenas.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:43 PM CST up reply actions

Past tense

I'd be the first (believe me) to get on the Larry Hughes Renaissance bandwagon, but I think his best years are behind him. Just look at his stats. In 11 full NBA seasons, he's played all 82 games just once.

As a fan, I'd look at this trade only as a positive in that it frees up minutes for Tyrus, Joakim and Aaron. Any contributions from the other pieces would just be gravy.

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 1:44 PM CST up reply actions

I'm with you

Benefits ranked in order

No more Wallace
One less front court player creating more PT for the kids
a bigger guard that maybe can show our guards a trick or two
50 games from Hughes is fine by me

Maybe he can play 82 games if he's not logging so many minutes.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions

One more

5. Kirk helps Drew harness his Jayhawk and he becomes the answer to the Bulls' easy bucket scoring problem.

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions

cynicism post

Pax is about to trade Wallace, but saw that it wound up in Chad Ford's ear, and then the trade falls through and Pax blames it on 'disinformation, rumors, and innuendo'.

He then gives Boylan a 3-year extension.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 1:32 PM CST reply actions

If Boylan is hired as the permanent coach,

I'll cry.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:33 PM CST up reply actions

Funny

I was about to post the same thing.

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 1:35 PM CST up reply actions

Maybe

He's just trying to get expiring contracts for Wallace so he can max out Duhon over the summer.

by CrashDavis on Feb 21, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions

new contract for Noc

by Zac23 on Feb 21, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions

i think...

I just threw up in my mouth a little. thanks.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 1:37 PM CST up reply actions

I honestly wish I hadn't checked in

this afternoon.

This entire thread is giving me false hope which is inevitably going to be dashed against the rocks of reality.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:39 PM CST reply actions

prediction

Rex (Akron): Your prediction on a Cavs deal...yes or no?

bum bum bummmmmm

by BG07theDrink on Feb 21, 2008 1:39 PM CST reply actions

Ford's answer...

Chad Ford: (2:38 PM ET ) Wow ... too close to call right now. Apparently, one of the reasons the Cavs are pushing that Hughes be in the Bulls deal is that they want their expiring contracts and Donyell Marshall to get ahold of Wally Szczerbiak. So the Cavs would add Wally, Ben Wallace, Joe Smith and Duhon. Could it be three new starters around LeBron?

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions

latest from chad

Chad Ford: (2:38 PM ET ) Wow ... too close to call right now. Apparently, one of the reasons the Cavs are pushing that Hughes be in the Bulls deal is that they want their expiring contracts and Donyell Marshall to get ahold of Wally Szczerbiak. So the Cavs would add Wally, Ben Wallace, Joe Smith and Duhon. Could it be three new starters around LeBron?

just pull the trigger paxson, im begging you

by Mike C on Feb 21, 2008 1:40 PM CST reply actions

seriously

just fucking do it!!!

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 1:40 PM CST up reply actions

Refresh!

Refresh refresh! I want answers now!

by cranscape on Feb 21, 2008 1:41 PM CST reply actions

If this is a real offer from the Cavs, there

doesn't seem to be much of a reason to decline it.

It's a very low risk deal from the perspective of the Bulls. They don't lose any of their core young players.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:43 PM CST reply actions

Whats making it worse

Is how everyone is like pasting the same information, so if you read it once and were able to get ahold of your emotions, well then someone posts it again, and another person posts it yet again (with more Exclamation points) and bam, you cant resist but to lose your emotions to the possibility of this happening. And yes i also regret checking blogabull an hour ago, i have done nothing productive since....

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 1:43 PM CST reply actions

that's why i am glad I only got back in

10 minutes ago.

Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions

LOL

I've been online watching this for over 2 hours now - my stats book is open in front of me, and in those 2 hours I've managed to write down the first homework problem (but not actually do it....) All worthwhile if the trade happens, but dare I hope and how can I not?

Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Feb 21, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions

The Cavs must be really shaky about crossing

Lebron's wishes. It seems like EVERYONE on the roster is available except Lebron and Big Z.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:44 PM CST reply actions

Why would the Cavs want Wallace and Du?

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions

ummm...

Lebron has a man crush on them?

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions

with as bad as clevelands pg situation is

duhon could actually have some value there. plays decent defense, buries the occasional 3. basically, everything they thought damon jones would do when they brought him in but hasn't.

by Mike C on Feb 21, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions

With Duhon

The cavs can trade offense for defense down the stretch with Daniel Gibson. Both shoot free throws well so either can really play in close games.

Duhon comes off the books after this season anyway. It's likely just an acquisition in hopes the Cavs can win now rather than later.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions

some hope?

Carter (Ohio): Is the Cavs-Memphis deal dead?

Chad Ford: (2:44 PM ET ) I think so ... I was told Memphis turned it down.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 1:45 PM CST reply actions

Trade

Report: Gerald Green Traded To Houston
February 21, 2008 - 2:45 pm
MyFox Houston -
Gerald Green is telling FOX 26 Sports he has been traded to his hometown Houston Rockets for guard Kirk Snyder and a second-round draft pick.

by FPax on Feb 21, 2008 1:47 PM CST reply actions

Ohhh.

There goes one of my guys.

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 1:48 PM CST up reply actions

more proof of mchales idiocy

lets give up a youngster with at least an inkling of potential for absolutely nothing!

by Mike C on Feb 21, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions

They really should take away his cell phone

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions

Gerald Green is a gamble

His basketball knowledge is surprisingly low for having so many genetic gifts. Despite being his third NBA season, he routinely displays a complete lack of knowledge of the game. He screws up fundamentals like boxing out the free throw shooter.

Green was rated higher than Martell Webster, yet Webster went in the lottery and Green fell to the late teens. Webster has the better brain.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions

They weren't even playing him!

I guess they needed to see what Marko Jaric can do. Maybe Pax will hire Randy Wittman when he gets fired by the T-Wolves.

by Big D on Feb 21, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions

Cavs Salaries

Larry Hughes makes slightly less than Wallace

Just for the record, here's what the Cavs have to work with.

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 1:48 PM CST reply actions

Nice

I'm assuming that's your site(the name gave it away). Nice job, I really like your salary breakdown for each team with the notes on each signing. After Wallacepalooza settles down I'll have to check it out some more.

"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions

Wallacepalooza

Someone send this to the tribune, cuz thats exactly what this even should be called.

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions

I have no idea

how i typed EVEN in there, 5 minutos mas!!

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions

Thanks!

At the risk of tooting my own horn too much, I also recently set up a dedicated NBA salary tracking blog that explains the abbreviations in the tables and notes updates and transactions. As we move toward the summer I'll be doing more commentary about all the nerdy stuff like cap holds and projections of how much cap room teams will have this summer.

Let's hope I have to update it to show Ben Wallace switching teams!

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions

No im not saying

i so wanted Gerald Green. He can ball. he's still raw but i know he's gonna be good

by Bulls4Ever on Feb 21, 2008 1:49 PM CST reply actions

please remember

Just because we don't hear of a trade at 2 pm, doesn't mean it didn't happen. the trade has to be into the league at 2, and they have to vet it to make sure it meets the CBA, etc.

So there may be no news for a couple of hours past 2.

by KT on Feb 21, 2008 1:50 PM CST reply actions

There's a girl with self-control.

All you crying boys...take a lesson.

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions

They're tears of passion

"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 1:54 PM CST up reply actions

that pretty much confirms it

who were you before you were eGirl?

Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 1:57 PM CST up reply actions

I have an inkling

but I don't think we can collectively handle such an inquiry at the same time as Wallacepalooza :)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions

Chad's on the phone again...

bum, bum, bum, buuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 1:51 PM CST reply actions

ive got class in 2 mins

and im not leaving til chads off the phone

by Mike C on Feb 21, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions

That was a damn long phone call

for a "nothing's happening" :(

Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Feb 21, 2008 1:56 PM CST up reply actions

10 minutes left...

I feel like I am watching the fourth quarter of a Bulls game.

We're close, so close, but we just can't convert on a key possession.

Ben Gordon just fell down.

Five minutes until Noce commits the critical turnover.

Eight minutes until our opponent buries a three pointer that is the dagger.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 1:52 PM CST reply actions

dont forget last nights addition

smith hits the underside of the rim!

by Mike C on Feb 21, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions

would

Gray losing his sneaker count?

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 1:53 PM CST up reply actions

How can you forget

Wallace takes a turnaround fade-away from the left box and barely hits the front of the rim :)

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions

Reason to fear losing Wallace and Smith

Griffin becomes an unchecked dicator

by snley on Feb 21, 2008 1:58 PM CST reply actions

Don't worry.

He'd rule with savvy benevolence.

(Or is that saggy benevolence?)

Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Feb 21, 2008 2:01 PM CST up reply actions

Is it done?

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 1:59 PM CST reply actions

Somewhere in the Berto Center...

PAxson is staring at the clock, watching the second tick by, sweat beading on his forehead, translucent stains spreading in the armpits of his crisp white shirt.

The voice on the phone is a distant buzz. He's thinking back to the night he drafted Du, the hope, the promise, the wide eyed Dukie grin, the surprise when the second rounder became a starter, all of the laughs during practice, all of the hustle on needless dives and scrambles, the excessive sprinting, the games were he exuded toughness like a character from an SE Hinton novel, the low turnover rate, the toughness, the beautiful God damned toughness, manliness and grit like a short black Rambo...

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:01 PM CST reply actions

A guy I knew in the know

once suggested to me Duhon was Skiles' suggestion. Don't know whether that was authoritative or not, but thought I'd toss it out there.

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions

this must be what it was like for my wife...

on our wedding night...

anitclimatic.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 2:01 PM CST reply actions

doh!

Chad Ford: (2:58 PM ET ) Well ... that's the big trade of the day folks! Sorry we don't have more confirmations. I have to stop the chat now. Check back with ESPN.com over the next few hours to find out whether Ben Wallace is a Cav or still a Bull

LOL, can't leave me hanging!

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 2:01 PM CST reply actions

Wallace sitting out practice

Is Ben Wallace about to be dealt?

February 21, 2008
BY BRIAN HANLEY Staff Reporter
Seems like a long shot, but Ben Wallace is watching practice today and one rumor has the Bulls talking to the Cleveland Cavaliers trying to deal Wallace before the league's 2 p.m. deadline.

The Cavs also have reportedly been talking to Miami about Shawn Marion.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/806685,wallace022108.article

by FPax on Feb 21, 2008 2:02 PM CST reply actions

Funniest thing about that trade

Joe Smith would be the best player in it.

Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 2:02 PM CST reply actions

Never thought

I'd ever be excited about the prospect of adding Larry Hughes to our team....

by majoyenrac on Feb 21, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions

We'll find out soon

We'll find out now

Ric is reporting right now

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:02 PM CST reply actions

Woah

Bucher is now saying Wallace and Duhon for Hughes!?

Still too close to call

We can rid ourselves of the two most hated people on our team

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:04 PM CST reply actions

Just Hughes?

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions

That's what I'm saying

he said just hughes. maybe there's a filler in there

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions

Has to be something else there

Hughes makes $12M, Wallace and Duhon combine for $18M.

by snley on Feb 21, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions

and bits and pieces

that are expiring contracts.

The likely players...
Ira Newble
Shannon Brown

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 2:07 PM CST up reply actions

Doesn't add up salary wise

by snley on Feb 21, 2008 2:04 PM CST up reply actions

Wallace/Duhon for Hughes/Newble/S Brown

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2377~885~2992~356~601&teams=5~5~4~4~4& amp;te=&cash=

Is kosher via the trade machine

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions

Seattle

If the Cavs are also dealing with Seattle, they could be sending out more Salary to them, allowing them to send less salary to us while still accepting Duhon and Wallace

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions

I still want a commision

if Wallace, Duhon, & Hughes are the 3 major components.

by Jesse07 on Feb 21, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions

anybody have a sopcast link to ESPN news?

Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 2:06 PM CST reply actions

Did it happen or not?

Regardless of when it is finalized, the teams had to agree in principle by 2 PM CST, right?

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:07 PM CST reply actions

Yeah

but that doesn't mean it's been reported to the press and such, so we may not hear about it for an hour or so.

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 2:08 PM CST up reply actions

ESPN1000

said there was a trade made, but I didn't hear the report directly so I don't know who is involved.

by KT on Feb 21, 2008 2:09 PM CST reply actions

Wally

Did get traded to the Cavs already but now the Cavs are working on the Wallace deal

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:12 PM CST up reply actions

link

where did you see that? Nothing has been reported official as of yet.

And it's being reported the other way around, that they want Wallace first, THEN Wally.

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 21, 2008 2:13 PM CST up reply actions

Bucher

just said it was done on ESPNnews

no link yet

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions

u mean

cavs getting wally? or cavs getting big ben?

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions

Hallelujah!!!!!!

Who cares who we got back, I'm ecstatic. this better be true!!!!!!!

"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions

ESPN1000

is reporting a rumor of Hughes for Wallace/Duhon.

No confirmation yet, they've got someone checking.

by KT on Feb 21, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions

i know that

I'm talking about Option saying that the Wally trade was a done deal

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 21, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions

Funny/sad thing...

Last time I remember being this excited about a possible big change in the Bulls lineup was when they signed Wallace.

Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Feb 21, 2008 2:15 PM CST reply actions

i know it

i was thinking the same thing too

by Conor on Feb 21, 2008 2:16 PM CST up reply actions

It

feels like christmas. I hope the corpse is gone along with Du.

PLEASE!!!!

by Bulls4Ever on Feb 21, 2008 2:15 PM CST reply actions

Any word on trades?

by TMD on Feb 21, 2008 2:16 PM CST reply actions

Tyrus Thomas just shit his pants in joy.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2008 2:17 PM CST reply actions

OK

NOW ESPN said the Cavs/Bulls/Sonics are close to completing a 10 player trade!

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:17 PM CST reply actions

Who are the players involved?

by TMD on Feb 21, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions

Didn't say

They also said pending league approval!

This might actually happen!

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions

playesr

Wallace
Duhon
Hughes
Wally
Newble
Shannon Brown
???
???
???

10)???

I think Gooden has to be on this list if it's 10 players. The others should be Cedric Simmons, Dwayne Jones, and Devin Brown.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions

collison?

maybe?

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions

they will regret waiving Veektor!!!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions

lol!

you read my mind...seriously, his expiring deal could've been used in this

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 21, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions

Delonte West

Has been mentioned as part of this.

by mruntouchable on Feb 21, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions

Holy shit!!!

I can't take it anymore.....

"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions

lol is Bab Favorite

Saen involved

by Jesse07 on Feb 21, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions

hurry the

@#$#$ up! i need to get back to work!!!

by leeac on Feb 21, 2008 2:18 PM CST reply actions

Tonight could be a night to party

if the Bulls can rid themselves of Wallace without taking on more years or taking on Larry Hughes, I hope they do it and I will be smoking Cohibas tonight.

by messwiththebull on Feb 21, 2008 2:20 PM CST reply actions

back to work??

Im about to get off @330 eastern and Im hitting f-5 like my life depended on it

by haze on Feb 21, 2008 2:20 PM CST reply actions

Seriously

I've been done with work for hours.

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions

This would be awesome

I read that Wallace, Duhon and Joe Smith. Long live Thabo TT and Noah!

by TMD on Feb 21, 2008 2:21 PM CST reply actions

where?

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions

ESPN

I saw it on ESPN.com

by TMD on Feb 21, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions

Ten players?

Now I am getting nervous that Bulls foolishly included a young player.

I know there is no rational basis for this fear.

I am so close to the dream of a Noah/Tyrus/Deng front court.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:23 PM CST reply actions

OTOH...

...the talk of ten players makes me actually think something is happening.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions

here's a thought to sweeten the pot

Griffin's deal might be in play.

Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions

I hope he doesn't veto the trade

by Big D on Feb 21, 2008 2:25 PM CST up reply actions

Don't joke around like that

The thought of the Bulls agreeing to a deal to get rid of Du and BW, and then it being vetoed by a throw-in like Griffin makes me want to light myself on fire. Does he have early bird rights that would allow him to do that?

"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions

as far as i know, he doesn't have that right

only in team meetings.

Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions

Griffen?

Wallace

Duhon

Hughes

Wally

Newble

Shannon Brown

???

Adrian Griffen?? please let one of the blanks be griffen and the rest be the other teams players, if your gonna get rid of wallace make sure you send his lackey with him...

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions

Including Sonics?

What's the latest? I thought 10 players included Sonics?

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions

wmvp...

just said Joe Smith in the deal

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 2:26 PM CST reply actions

So this is what it's like...

when your wife goes into labor? It's like one of those 50s sitcoms where everyone's pacing, smoking in the hospital lobby.
I'm gonna smoke at my desk now.

by Old Skool Sloan on Feb 21, 2008 2:27 PM CST reply actions

so help me...

If THIS lasts as long as my wife's labor...I'm gonna start drinking.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions

No it's nothing like that

Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions

Kinda why I made the 50s sitcom reference

But thanks for taking it seriously.

by Old Skool Sloan on Feb 21, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions

heh

sorry, just channeling my inner exult.

Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions

This is worse

I was a lot less anxious while my wife was in labor. Pathetic kinda. At least with your wife in labor, you know a baby is coming out a eventually.

"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions

To be fair, you also had 9 months to prepare

this is an unexpected surprise. Though, I doubt in the end I'll begin crying like I did when I first saw my daughter.

by snley on Feb 21, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions

WSCR

Is talking about it too!

by TMD on Feb 21, 2008 2:27 PM CST reply actions

Wally's deal

makes Noc's look reasonable.

Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 2:28 PM CST reply actions

well, maybe originally

but ol' zoolander has 1 year left. 4 for the Noc! 4!

(I'm going to keep calling it a mega-cap-killing of a contract until you come around, bullshooter :) )

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions

This needs to be heard already!

HERE WE GO!

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:28 PM CST reply actions

Here it is!

Bulls : Hughes Gooden Simmons
Seattle: Duhon Newble, Marshall
Cavs: Wallace, Wally, West and Smith

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:29 PM CST reply actions

Re: Here it is!

Free at last! Thank God almighty, we are free at last!

by FPax on Feb 21, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions

Source?

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions

since you no linky

I assume this is from the tube?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions

They just

broke it on ESPN news

I've been glued to the TV all day.

It's pretty much done pending league approval

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions

Don't know too much

about Cedric Simmons though

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions

We're free!

ESPN just said all parties have agreed and now its up to the league

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions

Porr Du out in Seattle, Oklahoma

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions

Big Ben

Might do well with all the Cleveland Bigs too. BIG Z's a nice offensive player and Wallace is a nice defender....

Hopefully Hughes can stay healthy and play....

I'm glad to see Wallace go if this is true, but it's a shame, I really hope he doesn't start playing hard, and really is washed up, because if he can still play then I'd really have to hate him.

Right now I believe he can play but doesn't want to with our team....but I've secretly thought perhaps he is as old as he looks.

If he suddenly becomes the player of last year even, then I'll be really pissed.....unless Hughes becomes the player of 2004-2005 (except without an injury of course).

by majoyenrac on Feb 21, 2008 2:29 PM CST reply actions

Unlike most

I don't hate wallace. but I'm not sad to see him go, either. I was going to say not making this trade would be not admitting the signing was a mistake. It's ok to make mistakes - which is why we have to take back their mistake in Hughes. But I think Wallace could fit nicely up there with Z. Guess we'll see how it turns out if its true.

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions

3 out of 4 ain't bad.

I didn't hate Duhon as much as others because he was only hampering winning this year (which was a lost cause) and I don't have high hopes for Thabo developing and he Gordon was developing just fine.

Smith and Wallace gone, though? Can BOylan fuck this up?

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions

Playing Gooden too much, for one

Giving Noc too many minutes, for two

Tough to do, since the Bulls got rid of two of their post guys, but you never know...

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions

Big Z is tall

Ben should be happy.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Feb 21, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions

I actually think he'll do something worthwhile

in the playoffs with the Cavs. Especially against Detroit.

Getting rid of Wallace should trump whatever may happen with the Cavs getting better. So be it.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 2:35 PM CST up reply actions

any

type of confirmation?

by Bulls4Ever on Feb 21, 2008 2:31 PM CST reply actions

Cavs come to Chicago March 6th

I can't wait to boo the shit out of Wallace.

by Big D on Feb 21, 2008 2:31 PM CST reply actions

I was thinking the same thing!

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions

The Bulls must really want to get rid of Wallace

if they are willing to trade him to a division rival.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:32 PM CST reply actions

Maybe they are hoping

he is cancer to them too

by TMD on Feb 21, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions

Kill two birds with one stone

Get rid of Wallace, and sabotage a division rival at the same time. Wallace missing layups and dunks might turn Lebron into a selfish player.

by Big D on Feb 21, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions

Heh, stole a page from the Dumars playbook

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions

Joy.

A glimmer of light in this shit storm of a season!

Bulls ended up with Hughes and Gooden out of this?

Wow.

by RogersPark Kris on Feb 21, 2008 2:35 PM CST reply actions

Aldridge Blog confirms it

http://blogs.phillynews.com/inquirer/live/

As the Akron Beacon-Journal first hinted at this a.m., and that the Four-Letter advanced, the Cavs, Bulls and Sonics have pulled the trigger on that big ol' three-way:

Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden to Chicago,

Ben Wallace and Joe Smith to Cleveland.

The Cavs' Ira Newble, Donyell Marshall and Adrian Griffin to Seattle for Wally Szczerbiak and Delonte West.

It's the very last name that makes me like this deal a little more for Cleveland. West can be a terrific guard for them playing off of LeBron and can knock down the open jumper. He also gives them size in the backcourt. Wally World is going to shoot 53, 54 percent from the floor until he dies, and certainly will spread the floor and give LBJ more driving room.

Ben is Ben. He's still a good rebounder. But he's not the man-on-man defender that he used to be, and he's a liability on offense. Maybe the Cavs go small at the ends of games. At the least, LBJ is surrounded by more veteran guys who've gone deep into the playoffs.

Chicago blows up a team that wasn't working, and gives Joakim Noah all the minutes he wants in the middle. Hughes can score, allowing Ben Gordon to come off the bench. Seattle continues to amass expiring contracts.

Posted by David Aldridge on February 21, 2008 3:15 PM

by nateroth on Feb 21, 2008 2:35 PM CST reply actions

Wait, no Du in that trade!

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions

GRIFFIN IS!!!!

n/t

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions

Awesome Deal

Gooden needs a new hair do tho

I guess they can negotiate past 3pm as long as they were on the fone at 2:59

by Zac23 on Feb 21, 2008 2:36 PM CST reply actions

If this trade goes through, will it make the Bulls

any better?

I assume Noah gets the start at the 5, Gooden at the 4 (even though I would prefer Tyrus), Deng at the 3.

The backcourt picture is muddled. Hinrich will start, obviously, but then what? Does Thabo retain his starting position, or is it taken by Hughes? And how does Boylan manage Hughes and Gordon and Thabo, who all primarily play the 2? Duhon was at least a PG, which made the rotation somewhat easier to structure.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:36 PM CST reply actions

Who wanted to see

Thabo or Gordon play the point, you just might now. Also in the offseason, we should be able to get a decent point guard either from the draft or something right?

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions

Please, no

Gordon at the point. That should never happen.

by sue369 on Feb 21, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions

The NBA

where LeBron's title hopes for the next four years going down the shitter happens

Ok now go ahead and roll

by Stacey Kings Emmy on Feb 21, 2008 2:37 PM CST reply actions

Or

To slow piano music, the screen should show still shots of Paxson looking defeated, flustered and frustrated at press conferences.

"The NBA: Where 'just couldn't get it done' happens."

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Feb 21, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions

ha!

KC already put it up on the blog

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/fullcourtpress/

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 21, 2008 2:37 PM CST reply actions

No Du reported there, either.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions

wow, so it really is official

Thanks. I'll start a new thread soon.

Wow.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions

Classy departing words

He got slammed for the "I'm here until I'm gone" quote. I'm glad he didn't start ripping the team right away.

by paxson43 on Feb 21, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions

Gah

Don't trade Joe Smith and keep Duhon. If you're trading Smith, Duhon better be going as well.

I'd like to keep Joe Smith unless he's asking to be dealt to a contender.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 2:38 PM CST reply actions

uh, why?

Joe Smith (or Duhon) shouldn't be holding up anything in terms of this deal.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions

I like Joe as mentor Joe

to Tyrus. I think Tyrus needs a guy off the court to bond with. Joe Smith is about as good as they get. Plus he has some post moves that Tyrus could have learned from.

It's over though. Smith is out.

by NBA Observer on Feb 21, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions

So Du isn't being traded?

Our backcourt rotation is ridiculous now.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:38 PM CST reply actions

Gooden

I like getting Gooden back. Couple him up with Tyrus and Noah and we're in very good shape. Makes it more important to get rid of Noc in the long run, but OK.

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 2:39 PM CST reply actions

What a great day for the Bulls

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:41 PM CST reply actions

A couple of bad things, but overall happy

Gooden and Hughes are almost the same sized piles of crap that Ben Wallace was. And we still kept Duhon while adding another guard that could threaten the playing time for the 2's and 3's we have. And you know Gooden is going to take time away from TT and Noah but on a net basis, there is one less big in the rotation.

Overall, I think the Cavs downgraded to an extent, at least in the front court. I don't see what they expect from Wallace that a healthy Varejao could do just as well. And the Cavs can have Wally. I admit I don't know the contract parameters of the non-Bulls players acquired by Cleveland, but right now, it looks like the same old Danny Ferry.

by messwiththebull on Feb 21, 2008 2:41 PM CST reply actions

Duhon is gone!

Watch ESPN news!

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions

ESPN might not have it right

They are the only outlet reporting Duhon as being traded.

by nateroth on Feb 21, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions

So, basically, the only really good thing

that should come of this trade is increased playing time for Noah.

What else are we getting?

Gooden will take Smith's minutes and the rest of the front court rotation will stay the same.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:41 PM CST reply actions

where's sue

at when you need her? We need someone to say that Kirk will play like his old self since his good friend and ex college teammate is on the team now :-)

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 21, 2008 2:41 PM CST reply actions

or she would say

that one of either BG or Hughes is guaranteed to no longer be a bull after this summer.

Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions

Sorry. I never

followed Kirk in college so I have no idea what kind of ball he played with Gooden on his team.

by sue369 on Feb 21, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions

Griffin may be involved

http://blogs.suntimes.com/fullcourtpress/2008/02/bye_bye_ben.html

Looks like the Bulls are shipping Ben Wallace and Joe Smith to Cleveland for Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden.

The three-way trade also would send Adrian Griffin to Seattle and send the Sonics' Wally Szczerbiak to Cleveland.

What do you think?

Please let that be true.

by Big D on Feb 21, 2008 2:44 PM CST reply actions

I really would have preferred that Duhon be traded

away, since Griffin gets so few minutes.

This deal is looking more and more like one set of old, useless veterans replacing another set of old, useless veterans.

Unless Boylan does something crazy and sits Gooden in favor of Tyrus.

Which is doubtful.

The primary beneficiary is Noah.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions

Gooden has to earn a spot

in the rotation.

Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Feb 21, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions

Oh, yeah, right.

If only Boylan would actually apply that edict consistently.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions

WMVP...

SportsCenter minute...includes Duhon in the trade. Wallace confirmed he was traded. Sorry no link.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 2:44 PM CST reply actions

Why so cynical people?

We got rid of Ben Wallace. We opened up a spot in the front court rotation. We added a big(gooden) who probably has some decent trade value if Pax is so inclined. Hughes can play 1,2,3. he played PG for a while in Cleveland, although I don't have the stats or the desire to find stats to back up how he did. I think we won this trade, without a doubt. I just hope I don't find out later that Seattle is getting our #1 pick or something though. That would be a slight downer.

"I took a couple of bad shots," Gordon said

by BNeL21 on Feb 21, 2008 2:46 PM CST reply actions

Cynical because we undid a huge mistake

but had to absorb someone else's mistake. It's a win but it's like managing to salvage one limb after having lost two others.

by messwiththebull on Feb 21, 2008 2:47 PM CST reply actions

I heard Bucher

refer to it earlier as a "lateral move"...which is pretty close to being right.

It does help both teams...but not in so much of a drastic way that either will contend for a title. Expect some more things to happen in the off-season.

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 21, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions

::weeping::

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 2:48 PM CST reply actions

Is this sad?

The only time I was ever as excited by the Bulls on the court as I am right now was the 4th quarter of that Warriors game.

by Old Skool Sloan on Feb 21, 2008 2:48 PM CST reply actions

Every 10 minutes

I am going to say I want a commision.

by Jesse07 on Feb 21, 2008 2:48 PM CST reply actions

exactly how

does repeating yourself incessantly make you any different than anyone else around here. Do you think anyone will even notice?

Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions

you did

by Jesse07 on Feb 22, 2008 2:14 PM CST up reply actions

What is the long term strategy here?

Hughes is under contract for tow more seasons after this one, correct?

Are the Bulls positioning themselves to trade Gordon? Or perhaps trade Hughes?

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:48 PM CST reply actions

Considering the Bulls don't wanna pay

Gordon 15 mil, I'd say he's on his way out. Speculation by Sam Smith that he'll be signed and traded over the summer.

Now that we have another SG at least it wouldn't be so awful, not that I'm a huge Hughes fan.

by Jaina on Feb 21, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions

or both

for a lottery pick or a tall young offensive minded guard...i dont know...

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions

I think the strategy is to

Turn two old guys up front into one younger guy up front (Wallace and Smith -> Gooden).
A backup plan if/when Gordon moves on/is moved

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions

I can't believe they got rid of

Griffin too!? WOW

by Option27 on Feb 21, 2008 2:50 PM CST reply actions

real GM dot com

DONE!

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 2:50 PM CST reply actions

cues Bill Walton mode

Now I know how the French felt when the Allies liberated Paris from the Nazis.

by Big D on Feb 21, 2008 2:51 PM CST reply actions

wallace:

"I had a good time here," Wallace said Thursday. "I enjoyed being one of the guys. And I had a good season last year."

"It's one of those things you come in and play hard and try to give what you give and not worry about what you can't control," Wallace said. "We had some guys that were banged up and beat up a bit. It was tough for us to get everybody on the floor and try to play basketball."

"They just have to go out and play," Wallace said. "They still have a good team. It's not like these guys don't know the game and know how to play. They just have to play together."

"It is a relief," Wallace said. "I just have to play basketball."

by ScottieCartwright on Feb 21, 2008 2:54 PM CST reply actions

Dear Ben Wallace,

Nobody liked you. LeBron won't put up with your bullshit. Nobody liked you. You're washed up. Nobody liked you. Enjoy Ohio.

Stacey

Ok now go ahead and roll

by Stacey Kings Emmy on Feb 21, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions

Dear Ben Wallace,

Eat shit.

Jobu

PS - I just tore the head off your bobblehead

by Jobu on Feb 21, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions

I'm going to give Hughes a chance

His game never meshed well with Lebron's, but there was a reason he got that big contract. He's not going to play as well as he did in Washington, but I expect him to play better than he did in Cleveland when he's healthy. Unfortunately, he probably won't be healthy that often, but what the hell did anyone expect to get for Ben Wallace?

by Big D on Feb 21, 2008 2:55 PM CST reply actions

there was a reason

that BW got a big contract too.

Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions

So where does Hughes fit into the backcourt

rotation?

Whose minutes does he take?

Does Thabo still start? Does Hughes take Gordon's minutes?

Will we see a lot of the three guard lineup with Hughes as the large guard?

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:56 PM CST reply actions

What if Wallace

Plays like BIG BEN the Body, in clevland....man will i be pissed....

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 2:56 PM CST reply actions

There is no doubt that Wallace will play better

in Cleveland alongside Big Z and LeBron.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions

Is this gonna be like

Tyson CHandler all over again?? In two years are we gonna have "fans" that talk about how much they loved ben wallace and "hated" that we sent him to clevland to ultimately help the cavs win a ship.......is this what ure saying??

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions

I just think that Wallace tends to be much

more effective when he plays next to a taller center. It frees him up to roam around.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions

Doesn't solve every problem

But it doesn't hurt and it might solve a couple of them

by Sports2 on Feb 21, 2008 2:56 PM CST reply actions

Do you think Paxson does anything with Boylan?

by eGirl on Feb 21, 2008 2:59 PM CST reply actions

Maybe he'll ask Boylan . . .

To take on more of a leadership role now that Wallace (and possibly Griffin) is gone. Imagine that, the coach acting like a leader . . .

by Big D on Feb 21, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions

Wasn't Tyrus close to both Smith and

Wallace?

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Feb 21, 2008 2:59 PM CST reply actions

new thread

http://www.blogabull.com/story/2008/2/21/155028/058

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 21, 2008 3:02 PM CST reply actions

Anyone else

Suddenly way over thier text message limit??? Im pretty sure i am...

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Feb 21, 2008 3:02 PM CST reply actions

Hold on

both the trib and suntimes have a full court press blog? Isn't there some kind of law against that?

Goodbye Viktor, and Godspeed.

by bullshooter on Feb 21, 2008 3:02 PM CST reply actions

Happy Day!

Good bye Big Bust!

by TMD on Feb 21, 2008 3:02 PM CST reply actions

on ESPN radio and...

The Cleveland Cavaliers appear to have beaten the NBA's annual trade buzzer to get LeBron James some of the fresh help he's been openly craving.

In a three-way trade with Chicago and Seattle that has been submitted for league approval, NBA front-office sources say that Cleveland will come away with four new teammates for James, headlined by Ben Wallace from the Bulls and sharpshooter Wally Szczerbiak from the Sonics.

The league office was notified of the deal before Thursday's 3 p.m. ET trading deadline, sources said, and is currently reviewing the trade details as required for formal approval.

After Cleveland watched two longstanding trade targets land elsewhere -- Mike Bibby in Atlanta and Jason Kidd in Dallas -- sources say that the deal calls for the Cavaliers to receive Wallace, Szczerbiak, Seattle point guard Delonte West, Chicago's Joe Smith and a future second-round pick from the Bulls.

Now on ESPN.com...
The Bulls, apparently abandoning their gamble on Wallace less than two seasons into the lucrative four-year deal they used to sign him away from Detroit, would get Cavaliers forward Drew Gooden and swingman Larry Hughes along with Cavs reserves Cedric Simmons and Shannon Brown.

The Sonics, shedding Szczerbiak in the name of additional payroll flexibility, come away with the expiring contracts of Cleveland's Ira Newble and Chicago's Adrian Griffin as well as Cavs veteran Donyell Marshall.

by Lt.Dan on Feb 21, 2008 3:02 PM CST reply actions

wallace
07/08 - 15.5m
08/09 - 14.5m
09/10 - 14m

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