Our big turd of a coach, part two
Earlier in the week I made a passing comment towards Boylan's odd "earn your minutes, injured'uns" bullshit regarding the impending returns of Hinrich, Gordon, and Deng. I figured it was minor because I didn't believe he really meant it, and has shown not to have the authority to do anything of the sort.
However, while the latter two are out until after the all-star break (and Gordon won't start regardless, but that's a separate and-as we know-contentious issue), we did see exhibit-A returning Tuesday night: Kirk Hinrich.
So while Hinrich in 26 minutes had 15 points (albeit not the most efficient game), and Duhon had 5 points in 31 minutes, plus the mountain of evidence heavily suggesting that Duhon sucks, interim Boy(lan) says Kirk hasn't 'earned' his spot back yet, and will come off the bench against Miami on Thursday.
If only it was a case of Hinrich first proving he's healthy. For one, Duhon isn't fully healthy either (nursing a sore knee, and kudos to him for playing at all), and Hinrich's healthy enough to play and perform in his first game back, saying as much that he's ready to go and doesn't understand the benching.
Neither do I.
Neither does KC Johnson, who remarked on the radio (I don't recommend listening to the interview, it's especially heavy on Mike North meatball-isms) this morning how bizarre it is (and this was before he knew Hinrich would be benched Thursday as well) and how it's more fitting for a college team. And considering this is a team with Ben Wallace getting the minutes he does, it's insanely hypocritical.
I have no idea what impossibly low standards Pax had in his interview with Boylan when considering him for the interim job. It was an 'anybody but Skiles' directive, sure, but it looks like to the degree where as long as Boylan didn't take a steamy dump on Pax's desk, Pax figured Boylan 'earned' his spot.
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What has Boylan even done
by eross226 on Feb 13, 2008 7:23 PM CST 0 recs
you mean psych?
by bullshooter on
Feb 13, 2008 7:30 PM CST
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then hit the books
by bullshooter on
Feb 13, 2008 9:12 PM CST
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Hilarious!
And also, there's this guy named Lt.Dan who thinks that Shaq is someone who can't be spoken about. Not even on a blog about basketball. Don't listen to him, either.
by bullhockey on
Feb 14, 2008 2:25 PM CST
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Lt. Dan
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Feb 14, 2008 3:01 PM CST
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yeah, I sure didn't get it.
It seems strange to me when people on a free bulletin board try to tell others what they should and shouldn't say. It's not the person running the site, just other users who say "Don't say the word 'effigy'". Or "You have no right to talk about Shaq." On a free, open blog.
But since you're the guy that runs the site, I guess I'll just ask you directly: what do you think of comments where people try to tell others what they should and shouldn't say? I mean, I hope you don't agree?
by bullhockey on
Feb 15, 2008 10:42 AM CST
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my philosophy is
If you're 'free' to say it, they're 'free' to call you out on it.
Of course 'free' is in quotes becuase I decide above all.
The joke was about Shaq responding to Bill Walton's criticism this week, saying it violated the big-man-pecking-order.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Feb 15, 2008 2:14 PM CST
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Ok
by bullhockey on
Feb 15, 2008 3:07 PM CST
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This team blows.
And someone once questioned why I drift in and out with my fanaticism.
*It should be at least 30, but I'll settle for 25 cuz they've beat me down to lower my expectations.
by tyger1147 on Feb 13, 2008 7:50 PM CST 0 recs
The thing is . .
They just don't know how to get it outta them.
Anyone that thinks Gordon, Deng or anyone else you wanna throw into the mix has reached their peak, they're nuts.
The Bulls have a great team in place to succeed in the future, they just need the proper direction.
There isn't anyone on this staff that can do that obviously
by Option27 on
Feb 13, 2008 8:04 PM CST
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I'm quickly losing faith in Paxson.
by tyger1147 on
Feb 13, 2008 11:01 PM CST
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coaching
by Hendo g on
Feb 18, 2008 4:12 PM CST
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conspiracy!
by hscs on Feb 13, 2008 8:29 PM CST 0 recs
Benching Hinrich
This whole mess needs to land right on Paxson's door step. I challenge anyone, anyone to find one NBA person who believes Hinrich should back up Du. What a complete waste of a season.
by danger mouse on Feb 13, 2008 8:31 PM CST 0 recs
Yes
by Kemp on
Feb 14, 2008 7:53 AM CST
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Boylan's replacement
If not then I say get Stacey King and hope they listen to a fellow brotha
by Noce1184 on Feb 13, 2008 9:06 PM CST 0 recs
I don't know what's worse
by hscs on
Feb 13, 2008 9:19 PM CST
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I don't know what's worse
Larry Brown likely wouldn't be a "savior" as you put it -
But he'd FAR better than Boylan.
At least the team would have a fighting chance to do SOMETHING...
by Bluelou on
Feb 14, 2008 1:57 PM CST
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Most of "us" aren't willing to settle...
by tyger1147 on
Feb 14, 2008 2:00 PM CST
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just doing "something" is shite.
But doing NOTHING is even worse.
by Bluelou on
Feb 14, 2008 7:09 PM CST
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I find it interesting that you're concerned over
If one is to choose between being overly sensitive or considering it 'harmless', stick with the former to be safe.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Feb 14, 2008 2:20 PM CST
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Safe?
by Bluelou on
Feb 14, 2008 7:15 PM CST
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bullshit like that
It's not worrying who might be offended, it's about respect. You're just going to have to deal with the hardship of dumb race jokes getting a wag of the finger.
by hscs on
Feb 14, 2008 7:51 PM CST
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So it's okay for YOU to accuse someone
But how do YOU feel when someone accuses YOU of being one?
by Bluelou on
Feb 14, 2008 8:18 PM CST
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bored
by hscs on
Feb 14, 2008 8:45 PM CST
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That's just what I thought
by Bluelou on
Feb 14, 2008 8:56 PM CST
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I didn't say Larry Brown
I'm going to disapprove of the next comment that suggests the Bulls can't be coached by anyone other than a "fellow brotha." Avert your eyes if it's that upsetting.
by hscs on
Feb 14, 2008 4:01 PM CST
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He didn't say that
Maybe if you ASKED instead of blindly accusing...?
Just a thought.
by Bluelou on
Feb 14, 2008 7:21 PM CST
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I've got a new theory
Or Boylan might have lost his freaking mind. It's definitely one or the other, though.
by bullshooter on Feb 13, 2008 9:21 PM CST 0 recs
tanking
benching Kirk for Duh makes no sense, Kirk played fine, there is no way your captain PG loses his job when healthy to a worse player on a team with any sense unless they are trying to lose
by NY Chicago Fan on
Feb 13, 2008 9:51 PM CST
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Pax's target is in the mid-round anyway
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Feb 13, 2008 9:58 PM CST
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Oh, you know it.
Hard worker.
Major program.
Accustomed to winning. "Winner."
Marginally athletic.
Undersized.
Docile.
Once bled on the court, yet continued to play.
Will befriend Noc.
Votes with the majority.
by 1958ChiTown on
Feb 13, 2008 10:08 PM CST
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And no one from UNC currently on roster...
In fact, this is where all our suggested trade scenarios have gone wrong - we need to quit thinking basketball skills or position needs and just focus on pedigree. Du can still be traded because Pax is currently doubled up on Duke, so maybe Du for Afflalo (cross UCLA off list)!
by wjb1492 on
Feb 14, 2008 12:24 PM CST
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Previously, I had Thomas for Battier.
by tyger1147 on
Feb 14, 2008 12:47 PM CST
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About a dozen of
by Diabolo on
Feb 15, 2008 3:33 AM CST
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The only remotely sensible explanation
I got shit for pointing that out, but those were not "innocuous" comments.
You generally don't hear players talking about how playing with certain teammates is better than playing with others for a good reason. It's not a good way to get on someone's good side. That's especially true when you're talking about guys in their contract years.
So perhaps seeing this poor behavior, Boylan decided to put poor, put-upon Kirk in his place.
I mean, it beats the hell out of me, but some form of punishment for that recent screw up (or perhaps something else we're not aware of?) is the only thing that even remotely makes sense. On the court he'd actually come around a bit from his crappy production for most of the year.
The juxtaposition of those quotes with his benching and last night's humiliation at the hands of Paul was pretty notable too. If you look at the sequence of things, you've got Kirk going out and dropping the "I play with midgets and do much better guarding PGs" excuse, sitting to start the game, and then giving it away over the last 6 minutes or so when Paul pretty much demolished him.
Now obviously Paul is a heck of a player, but Kirk was just saying how much better off he is defending short guys. And his claim to fame is he's supposed to be a heck of a defender. All-NBA second team. And he came out and sucked something fierce.
by Sports2 on Feb 13, 2008 9:57 PM CST 0 recs
Or tanking
But if they're gonna tank, why have Smith out there that much? Or Noc? I mean, if we're full bore gonna tank, throw our boy D.Nichols out there. Or Tyrus at SF some more. And certainly we wouldn't want an Adrian Griffin a DNP last night if we were tanking. Or Thabo at PG?
I spose if I saw those things I'd think we were tanking. But I don't, so it just looks like a message being sent to Kirk to me.
And outside of those comments he made and his shitty finish to last night's game (which he already started on the bench) I don't see any reason for it. And that doesn't jell with me. Even bad decisions have some sort of reasoning behind them.
by Sports2 on
Feb 13, 2008 10:03 PM CST
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Or it could just be that Boylan is stupid
by Big D on
Feb 13, 2008 10:06 PM CST
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Boylan is stupid
"now THAT's sum reel BASKETball right THERE I tell ya Pete..."
Zoikes...
by Bluelou on
Feb 14, 2008 1:43 PM CST
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Am I the only one who believes that Boylan
There is no rhyme nor reason to his substitution patterns. He abandons lineups that are successful early in games. He stubbornly keeps ineffective lineups on the court. He maintains no consistency from game to game. Each game is its own miniature season, completely unrelated to what has come before and what will come after. His rotation is paradoxically both unpredictable and preordained. It's as if he concocts a unique rotation for each game based on match-up advantages that are invisible to the rest of humanity, then doggedly implements that rotation regardless of how the game is actually progressing.
I have no idea what is going on within the franchise, but this club is dysfunctional. It's infuriating.
by 1958ChiTown on Feb 13, 2008 10:02 PM CST 0 recs
I doubt it
Perceptions are always exaggerated. When things are going well, people overestimate how good the players are, and when things are going poorly, they underestimate.
I don't have much doubt that, unless there's something physically wrong with a player (like Wallace's rapid aging), they have the capability to return to their prior form. I think for guys like Hinrich it's mostly mental.
But at the same time, loosing can be cancerous. Losing tends to bread stupidity and bad decision-making.
by Sports2 on
Feb 13, 2008 10:11 PM CST
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Watching his post-game interviews
He says the most ridiculous, indefensible things.
It's truly odd.
by 1958ChiTown on
Feb 13, 2008 10:13 PM CST
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IMO
by eross226 on
Feb 13, 2008 10:47 PM CST
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The easiest part of being a head coach...
by tyger1147 on Feb 13, 2008 11:00 PM CST 0 recs
It's like a big gimmick
by Sports2 on
Feb 13, 2008 11:19 PM CST
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Yet no one ever thinks
by piccolomair on
Feb 14, 2008 4:04 PM CST
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Theses guys have minnow brains
by exult463 on Feb 13, 2008 11:25 PM CST 0 recs
To me, even more than Boylan's choices
They can't properly develop their young players (or at least the bigs).
Interview of an hornets'assistant :
Q: Tyson Chandler looks so much more assertive and sure of himself now.
A: [Assistant coach] Kenny Gattison has been doing an outstanding job with Tyson, working on his game. And he's a competitor. He's got a great heart -- just so competitive. You can ask him to do anything and he buys in totally.
Tyson is really comfortable with the coaching staff. In Chicago, his relationship with Scott Skiles was non-existent, and Tyson got a little timid. Byron [Scott] actually had to threaten to fine Tyson money to get him to try to score some more.
When he first came here, if he got an offensive rebound, he always wanted to pass it out. Byron told him to dunk, or go up hard to try and score. It was programmed into him not to make a move, not to score. It happened in a game once, and Byron jumped up and subbed for him, and told him that if he is under the hoop with the ball, he needs to dunk, no matter what happened in Chicago. "You better start trying to score this ball," he said. And his confidence started growing to the point that now he's a nice double double guy.
by Diabolo on Feb 14, 2008 7:47 AM CST 0 recs
Ok...what?
For all the blather about Tyson that goes on, all I remember is a guy who roamed on defense and was only valuable when he stumbled into a help block. He threw-up inept shots and got lost on offensive sets. Not only that, his minutes didn't substantially diminish between the pre-contract year and the post-contract year! Realistically, I think most BaBers are only asking for Ty and Noah to get the 27 minutes that Chandler was getting for his last two years with the Bulls.
The reality is that Tyrus and Noah consistently bust their asses every time they are on the court, not only that, they seem excited to play the game of basketball and stay in top shape. Chandler was a baby that wanted to be coddled and has now lucked into a coddling coach and a top 10 in the league talent.
Hindsight is 20/20 and we all now see that we would rather have Chandler's fugue than Wallace's moribundity; but the Chandler situation and the Boylan situation are unattached, so leave them as such.
by Kemp on
Feb 14, 2008 8:20 AM CST
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Try reading my post again...
by Diabolo on
Feb 14, 2008 8:30 AM CST
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I must have missed
And don't pretend that you didn't parallel them, because you did insinuate that these same developmental problems are the same as those of our current bigs, which they aren't; Chandler played to a point and then proceeded to make a marked decline, Noah and Tyrus just aren't playing minutes.
I will clarify my original point, unless the Hornets reveal a newly tooled offensive powerhouse in Chandler I cannot buy into what you are trying to sell. Chandler's demeanor is indicative of what a lot of older players (Scottie Pippen, Ron Harper, and Hakeem for instance) decry. Moreover, if Chandler had been traded to the Spurs, Jazz, or Heat, would their coaches have been lambasted had he failed? I think not.
by Kemp on
Feb 14, 2008 8:56 AM CST
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Like NBAObserver said...
by Diabolo on
Feb 14, 2008 9:25 AM CST
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chandler
As for the idea that the bulls can't develop their bigs, I am not so sure. Lots of bigs in this league become marginal players or fail, even lottery picks. Maybe they just drafted wrong or they are bringing in thomas slowly. Who knows but its messed up.
by Sambossanova on
Feb 14, 2008 3:21 PM CST
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It's not about Chandler
This strategy was a product of producing with what you have on your roster. The problem was that the strategy never changed when the roster started to change. The staff made little adjustments with new players and our former players were carrying the coaching with them to their new clubs.
by NBA Observer on
Feb 14, 2008 9:03 AM CST
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What the heck is with our team rules?
"Let's face it: There are different players. You try to have your team rules. Everybody knows them."
Deng said he had been informed of the team rule. Hinrich, speaking after practice, said he didn't know why he wasn't starting. Boylan said he would talk to Hinrich.
Are the team rules on paper anywhere? We've had a no headband rule, a no corn rows rule, and now an "earn your starting spot back when injured in a game" rule?
Shoot me now.
by NBA Observer on Feb 14, 2008 9:07 AM CST 0 recs
link
Here's another gem from that article.
"I have all the confidence that Kirk and [Luol Deng] and Ben [Gordon] will do that. Our guys just all need to be willing to sacrifice for the betterment of the team."
Translated: This rule is as much to put Deng and Gordon on notice as it is to reward Chris Duhon and Thabo Sefolosha for playing through nagging injuries.
hoooooly crap, this guy is so overmatched for this job.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Feb 14, 2008 9:36 AM CST
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I understand
but to have hinrich come off the bench again tonight is a joke.
by Jaina on
Feb 14, 2008 9:44 AM CST
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Beyond just not agreeing with the concept
Lu's situation is obviously different, because of the length of time he's out, yet he also seems to be sitting with the full blessing of the team wanting him healthy down the stretch and knowing that rest is the only option to get there. So that leaves a policy that comes across as punitive for missing games with injury, even when you sit with the injury at the team's direction (or at a minimum with it's agreement). The only other guy out is BG, and since Boylan already has him on the bench this "team rule" doesn't apply. And that leaves a punitive rule that punishes people for not doing anything wrong?
by wjb1492 on
Feb 14, 2008 12:57 PM CST
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i think its time to reconvene the caucus
by Mike C on
Feb 14, 2008 9:13 AM CST
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other rules
-player vote
I used to love this team now I jut can't bear to watch them.
by tyrus4prez on
Feb 14, 2008 9:15 AM CST
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It's like the Bulls are a crumbling Soviet state
by NBA Observer on
Feb 14, 2008 9:44 AM CST
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I take back what I said above
by Sports2 on
Feb 14, 2008 3:31 PM CST
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love the
by tyrus4prez on Feb 14, 2008 9:45 AM CST 0 recs
I Love David Thorpe
by Option27 on Feb 14, 2008 10:03 AM CST 0 recs
that may be the most high-reaching
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Feb 14, 2008 10:04 AM CST
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If only Thorpe
Maybe he could give out some knowledge to the coaches that are keeping this squad down
by Option27 on
Feb 14, 2008 10:34 AM CST
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