Gasol traded to the Lakers
Salary dump (hattip to RealGM):
The deal allows the Grizzlies to gain salary cap relief, as Brown is in the final year of a deal that pays $9,075,000.
Also today, a Grizzlies source said that forward Stromile Swift has been traded to the New Jersey Nets for center Jason Collins.
Wow, how far had the trade value fallen from a year ago, when Jerry West was (reportedly) asking for Deng, Gordon, and Sefolosha? (or some combination of that with picks, or something)
This either went two ways: Memphis may have liked Nocioni but not his contract. Or they didn't mind the contract and Pax (as it has been reported multiple times) for some reason ruled him off limits.
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Gasol to Lakers
by danger mouse on Feb 1, 2008 2:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I too want answers
Why didn't he pull the trigger, at least give us a reason! It's getting harder and harder to stay a Bulls fan these days. Reminiscing about the Glory-Michael Jordan Days are wearing thin.
by RogersPark Kris on Feb 1, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt we'll ever know
But if it's because they wouldn't deal Noc, then it's pretty sickening.
I don't think it'd be because they wouldn't give up Tyrus or Noah, as if the Griz were settling for Critterton as the 'prospect' in the deal they weren't setting the bar too high.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
There's a lot you can do.
As Pax has been fond of saying, there's always talk going on even if it doesn't amount to much. So it's very likely he had some sense of where Memphis would want to go if it traded Gasol. Not saying Pax should have made a trade in anticipation of what they want, but if you know maybe you can have a contingency lined up. Such as
... it seem likely to me the Bulls could have turned Noc or Smith into expiring contracts (think we couldn't have sent him on down to Miami) if they really wanted to, and then sent them on to Memphis. Beyond that, there are other alternatives, like taking on Cardinal, who, while expensive, still probably wouldn't kill us tax-wise.
So I tend to think it's a cop-out to say "what could he do". There were might have been a lot of things that could have been done with sufficient creativity.
Or, stepping back in time, hey, maybe signing Noc to a 6 year $38M deal wasn't all that smart. It's easy to say "there's nothing we can do now because of the circumstances", but ultimately they're responsible for the circumstances.
by Sports2 on Feb 1, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Effigy of Paxson
I echo all of the expressions of frustration of all on this blog.
PAX: do the honorable thing and deliver a letter of resignation to the good chairman's office.
by bullhockey on Feb 1, 2008 4:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
An effigy is simply a likeness.
by alec on Feb 1, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BZZZ! Wrong.
"The effigy is burned as a sign of the participants' shared intent to banish the represented element from their lives."
Yes, this applies in this case.
by bullhockey on Feb 1, 2008 5:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
from Webster's Unabridged:
Yes, to "burn in effigy" is one standard use of the word.
I guess I should have said, "one of the standard."
by alec on Feb 1, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
im guessing
by Mike C on Feb 1, 2008 2:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Swift rumored...
by Jesse07 on Feb 1, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kill Paxson now
Fuck him!
by Option27 on Feb 1, 2008 2:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty
by sue369 on Feb 1, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
AH!
by Goostafer on Feb 1, 2008 2:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Memphis really wanted Brown's
by hscs on Feb 1, 2008 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I get that
by Goostafer on Feb 1, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that, but
The Bulls, on the other hand, could end up landing a lottery pick with their sophomoric hijinks on the court and their injuries off of it.
All of this makes me think that Pax doubled down on his guys for the season, essentially saying, "If we don't make the playoffs I'll take a high draft pick rather than Pau Gasol."
by bullhockey on Feb 1, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, apologies to you and option27
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
same here
rock bottom. kerplunk.
by Freethefro on Feb 1, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this is insane
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 1, 2008 2:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mitch Kupchak - Executive of the Year
by alec on Feb 1, 2008 2:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ugh
by hscs on Feb 1, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In six months he's gone
by alec on Feb 1, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget about Ainge?
by snley on Feb 1, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lakers Celtics
Winner gets Exec of the Year.
by alec on Feb 1, 2008 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, I wouldn't exactly
I sincerely doubt they make it to the Finals.
by 1958ChiTown on Feb 1, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not taht it makes me right,
Can we get a copy of the full text on BaB?
by alec on Feb 1, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's made some shitty moves, but deserves credit
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, and drafting Bynum in the first place
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Quit crying about Pax, he is a good GM
by armstrong2389 on Feb 1, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who cares who complains?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 1, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hinbrick means Hinrich?!?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As bad as that trade has turned out to be
by snley on Feb 1, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i can't wait to here
kerplunk.
by Freethefro on Feb 1, 2008 2:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Paxson
by Jesse07 on Feb 1, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't PJ Brown have been used?
by snley on Feb 1, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I guess I understand some of the
I don't think Pau Gasol was the answer to all our woes.
He'll be a nice third option in LA.
by 1958ChiTown on Feb 1, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
19 pts 9 rebounds, 50%
by Freethefro on Feb 1, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"that third option would be our first"
I don't think he could have carried the Bulls to the promised land. He is a great compliment to the existing LA squad, but I have no reason to believe he would have single-handedly elevated the Bulls to title contender.
He played poorly this season. After all, salary cap relief aside, there was a reason that the Memphis management was willing to part with him for so little.
JMO.
by 1958ChiTown on Feb 1, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, I also think it is premature to
I'll reserve judgment until verifiable details emerge.
by 1958ChiTown on Feb 1, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not the point
by Big D on Feb 1, 2008 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to agree
However, this team looks several moves away, and getting Pau would be fine as the first one. Especially if it was for cheap.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You need to watch the bulls not type when theyplay
by armstrong2389 on Feb 1, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
by sue369 on Feb 1, 2008 3:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Shit
by chris44 on Feb 1, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris...
by withmalice on Feb 1, 2008 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Pau is the answer either
It's interesting the Lakers gave up two first round draft picks for him, and that may have been the deal breaker. He's not worth that.
I do love how this wasn't one of the many rumored trade deals, which just goes to show that those rumor trade deals are mostly rumors.
by KT on Feb 1, 2008 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He wouldn't be worth
by alec on Feb 1, 2008 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
late round picks
Plus, they're highly tradable themselves.
by KT on Feb 1, 2008 2:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Even bullshooter
by alec on Feb 1, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's a compliment
by bullshooter on Feb 1, 2008 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They kind of have to.
by tyger1147 on Feb 1, 2008 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree....
by bullsfaninbigapple on Feb 1, 2008 8:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Pax has been reading BaB
by bullshooter on Feb 1, 2008 2:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i doubt pax killed the deal
by Conor on Feb 1, 2008 2:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The thing is
by sue369 on Feb 1, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If our mini-mutiny is any indication
by alec on Feb 1, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There may not
by sue369 on Feb 1, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what people said last year at this time
by Big D on Feb 1, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by balta1701 on Feb 1, 2008 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another deal
by Jesse07 on Feb 1, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
judging by paxsons
by Mike C on Feb 1, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he's still sweeping his office for bugs
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He should say something
Well guess what Pax? For all your playing it safe, you look like a GM who drafts OK, but is WAY OVER HIS HEAD when it comes to pulling trades.
by RogersPark Kris on Feb 1, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True, but
So to see the Griz get maybe 45 cents on the dollar for one of these bona fide low post presences, it is only natural to ask what the hell Paxson was doing when this went down.
Couldn't the Bulls have paid 45 cents on the dollar or more? If there were no deals presented to Pax, why didn't he push harder for one? Why wasn't he more creative? Why couldn't he use PJ Brown?
Surely the Bulls' higher 2008 draft pick would have been worth more than the Lakers' 2008 draft pick. Surely Pax could have found a way to part with any one of a number of underachieving parts.
As you point out, we don't know, but these are all legitimate questions, and I believe that Bulls fans need an explanation.
The only way I could forgive Pax is if the Griz offered what amounts to a sweetheart deal to the Lakers, the way the Wolves set up the Celtics. In other words, maybe the Griz really wanted too much from Pax, let's say closer to 65 of 75 cents on the dollar, and broke off negotiations, only to take the next best deal, which happened to be for 45 cents on the dollar. I guess I'm agreeing with you when I say, who really knows...
by bullhockey on Feb 1, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Expiring contracts are nice
by Big D on Feb 1, 2008 2:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Deng and Gordon
But no, Paxson has no forethought, no ability to be creative and make a deal work. The Lakers gave up 2 marginal prospects and 2 draft picks that will like be in the high 20s. The Bulls could have given up 1 good prospect (Tyrus/Noah), 1 decent player (Noce) and our draft pick, likely somewhere from 10 - 15 and completely trumped the Lakers offer.
I'm done defending Paxson unless we get something concrete before the trade deadline. No more waiting until next year - I've been waiting 10 friggin years.
by danger mouse on Feb 1, 2008 2:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How is their lineup looking now?
Bryant
Odom
Gasol
Bynum(once healthy)
That's one mean-looking lineup
by NittanyBull on Feb 1, 2008 2:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
dont forget
by Conor on Feb 1, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget to add Phil's
by alec on Feb 1, 2008 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Bynum comes back
They have the best all around player in the league (Kobe), a solid, versatile 3 who can handle the ball like a pg but rebound like a PF (Odom), a solid, smart PG (FISHER) one of the top young big guys in the league who might have been an all star had he not been hurt (Bynum), the most underrated big in the league (Gasol) and one of the deepest benches and best coaches.
THis team is far more talent stacked than Boston, SA, Dallas, Phx and Detroit.
It's over.
I AM BEYOND FRUSTRATED THAT AGAIN THE BULLS DID NOTHING! Our team is in shambles, our future's a mess and our coach has no control over the team and is best a college coach (though i don't think he has college experience as a head coach).
I'm struggling to stay a Bulls fan especially given how excited about them I was this year, and then this trade finally happens without us.
PAX should speak before the weekend is up.
by majoyenrac on Feb 1, 2008 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Paxson
by chris44 on Feb 1, 2008 2:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gasol Not The Answer
That said, I have a hard time believing that 9 million in cap relief and a third young point guard was the best Chris Wallace could do in Memphis.
BTW - did anyone see Lamarcus Aldridge refuse to rotate over to stop Lebron's game winning drive to the hoop on Wednesday? I'm not convinced that Pax won't ultimately be vindicated on Aldridge's lack of toughness. In coming years, he'll have Oden available to do the dirty work down low for him.
by Gene Banks on Feb 1, 2008 2:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by SlickRick76 on Feb 1, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Never watched Gasol
Actually, for a 7-footer, he's rather fleet of foot.
But you're right on the money when you express surprise over 'this is the best Memphis could do'?...
by withmalice on Feb 1, 2008 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wrong
Do you seriously believe that the Bulls shouldn't have given up a prospect a few draft picks and essentially money to get this player?
Soft, my ass. Who's hard? Wallace? Pffft.
by sic on Feb 2, 2008 9:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If this was fantasy football...
This is horrible there is absolutely now way the Bulls couldn't put together a more attractive package. PAXSON OVERVALUES HIS PLAYERS!!!
by Jesse07 on Feb 1, 2008 2:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Has the league approved?
by 1958ChiTown on Feb 1, 2008 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe that's what's holding up Paxson
by snley on Feb 1, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL also :)
by bullhockey on Feb 1, 2008 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BWAHAHA!!!
by Bluelou on Feb 1, 2008 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i imagine a possible killer
by Conor on Feb 1, 2008 2:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I share your suspicion.
by 1958ChiTown on Feb 1, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont see memphis
by Mike C on Feb 1, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of agree
by sic on Feb 2, 2008 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mateen Cleaves can solve all of the Bulls problems
by NittanyBull on Feb 1, 2008 2:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and remember
by Conor on Feb 1, 2008 2:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
WTF!!!!!!!!
by bullsfaninla on Feb 1, 2008 2:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me?
Jeeze. I'm usually quiet here nowadays, but some of you guys need to do some research before putting up these asinine posts.
by NittanyBull on Feb 1, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes nothing
by bullsfaninla on Feb 1, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh, no.
Once again,
by NittanyBull on Feb 1, 2008 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So Jefferson and a high pick
Deng, Gordon, Hinrich, Nocioni, Noah, Tyrus, Thabo and future 1st rounders is still a bad deal. Christ Tyrus is essentialy the number 2 pick of the 06 draft, what more do you want
by bullsfaninla on Feb 1, 2008 5:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and while now are players
by bullsfaninla on Feb 1, 2008 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
God you're dumb
by NittanyBull on Feb 1, 2008 6:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
PJ Brown's sign and trade!!!
by bullsfaninla on Feb 1, 2008 2:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to say it
For the record, I was never convinced that deals for KG or Kobe were ever in Pax's control. This one was and he BLEW IT BIG TIME.
Look for my season tickets on eBay. F*uck this team.
by Stay Chisel on Feb 1, 2008 2:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Paxson's used to trading with Isiah Thomas
by Big D on Feb 1, 2008 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Optimism
by piccolomair on Feb 1, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're going to sell your season tickets
If this were Kobe or LeBron or Howard or Wade, I would agree. But it's just ole' Pau.
by 1958ChiTown on Feb 1, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no
by Stay Chisel on Feb 1, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man did
I dont think Gasol wouldve saved us but man he wouldve helped.
by Bulls4Ever on Feb 1, 2008 2:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A sample deal
You could easily replace Noah with Tryus, Ben Gordon, or even Thabo. Everytime it works and gives Memphis what they want, plus a better prospect than crittenton. I guess after losing stoudamire, memphis realized they needed to shore up the #3 pg spot in the rotation.
by cjurmann on Feb 1, 2008 2:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but
by sic on Feb 2, 2008 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Lakers
Does West still work for them and figured this is the best thing he could do for his former team?!
I'm in such state of shock.
They pretty much just got Jarvis outta this deal and they already have Conley Jr!!
I DONT GET IT!
Oh and to trade him within your own conference!?
THIS MAKES NO SENSE if your Memphis!
All for an expiring deal?! Who wants to go there anyways!?
by Option27 on Feb 1, 2008 2:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Memphis ownership
by sic on Feb 2, 2008 9:40 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
J.A. Adande
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 1, 2008 2:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Lamar and Bynum to the nets
kidd
kobe
walton/arezia
gasol
bynum
scary
by bullsfaninla on Feb 1, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and if they had never traded caron
by bullsfaninla on Feb 1, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
then they wouldn't have made this deal
by snley on Feb 1, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they got kwames expiring deal back for caron
by Mike C on Feb 1, 2008 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kidd won't be a Laker...
by withmalice on Feb 1, 2008 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
KupCheck
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=885~617&teams=13~4&te=&cash=
by Jesse07 on Feb 1, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What will really fry me
by alec on Feb 1, 2008 2:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
KC defends Paxson tooth and nail
...I wonder what Sam Smith and Marriotti will have to say about this...
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 1, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why should
by sue369 on Feb 1, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i didn't say
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 1, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
nobody cares what anybody says
Unfortunately that wacky world of sports fandom is only intersting if we look to opinions and speculation beyond that. Can't get Pax on the phone. Cause it doesn't work. But you can't get many people on the phone either. Sorry to break it to everyone!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's why we should care.
by alec on Feb 1, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Smith may defend
by sue369 on Feb 1, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mariotti:
"Paxson was a great player when a certain someone with a statue was on his team, but not as good of a gm"
"fans are booing in the house that Jordan built."
"Couldn't get Bryant, closest to the next Jordan"
[then add in a lot of Reinsdorf bashing]
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think people should keep in mind that
Krause's denouement with the Bulls' was replete with supposedly franchise saving trades. The Brand trade. The Rose trade. All it did was create chaos and discontinuity.
Let's wait to see what the actual offers were before we hang Paxson in effigy.
In the meantime, I'd like to see what this roster can do, so I'll go back to wishing that we would play the Youth and the Core together.
by 1958ChiTown on Feb 1, 2008 2:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Im going to
by Rusty LaRue on Feb 1, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
by bullshooter on Feb 1, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My hope
by Freethefro on Feb 1, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
by Rusty LaRue on Feb 1, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Precludes?
by balta1701 on Feb 1, 2008 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how would this have been
That is what's causing the frustration of a lot of people here...EVERY one knew that the Bulls (heck, and even the Grizzlies) were talking about a Gasol deal for the longest...so how can you just let another team come in and scoop him up in a salary dump deal with NO talent coming back...and do it so quickly at that?
We all know that Gasol is not the answer to our prayers around here...but the talk and chatter has been going on for so long that I think most fans probably expected Gasol in a Bulls jersey if not by season's end, then in the summer time....that's just a passing thought now.
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 1, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second...
Surely Javaris and Kwame...
Nah, sorry - can't keep a straight face!
by withmalice on Feb 1, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree witih most of that
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Will the Youth even be playing?
by Big D on Feb 1, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that's the conflicting part
I can't say I'd be happy with either Tyrus or Noah in a Gasol trade either. But you could've gotten Gasol now and still try to dump Wallace later. I don't necessarily agree that Noah and Tyrus have to be starters before they're 25 to be worthwhile as draft picks.
There's plenty of reasons this didn't happen. I'm just uber-pissed if it's because of liking Nocioni.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Another way to look at it...
by messwiththebull on Feb 1, 2008 3:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I just hope something is coming
Please Pax, give us something!!
by Old Skool Sloan on Feb 1, 2008 3:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hinbrick and the Corpse
by armstrong2389 on Feb 1, 2008 3:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I guess this means
I don't think there's anyone else out there the Bulls have targeted
We're pretty much stuck with this team.
by Option27 on Feb 1, 2008 3:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
long road ahead
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention
by ScottieCartwright on Feb 1, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Paxson
I really feel like it's going to be a really LONG road back.
I'm trying to think off of the top of my head who the Bulls could be looking at now that may be disgruntled or anything.
NOTHING comes to mind except Kidd and God knows he isn't the answer
by Option27 on Feb 1, 2008 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the "team just quit" excuse
by RogersPark Kris on Feb 1, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The effort is there, they just aren't that good.
We all know that it all starts and ends with a good coach, let alone the RIGHT one.
If Phil, or Pop, or someone with genuine MoJo and a plan were coaching these guys -
I do believe that there is plenty of talent on the Bulls and that they would be a MUCH better team with a much better record.
It's a shame that they cannot find it within themselves and go "into their own little worlds and act childish"...
But a better coach would make a big difference in the players' attitudes, and thus likely their play level as well.
by Bluelou on Feb 1, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
by chris44 on Feb 1, 2008 3:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it has nothing to do with balls
by messwiththebull on Feb 1, 2008 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just think
http://www.blogabull.com/comments/2008/2/1/151320/9543/122#122
by sue369 on Feb 1, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously, you skipped
by alec on Feb 1, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Never went
by sue369 on Feb 1, 2008 5:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You
by chris44 on Feb 1, 2008 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
by tyrus4prez on Feb 1, 2008 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pax's cell phone charger
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Be nice to Pax!
And it's not that the Bulls didn't have better players to give up, it's just that, due to circumstances, they were better but didn't happen to be what the other teams conducting those 178 trades wanted.
You know, just a coincidence. Just bad luck. Like the time you broke up the girl and said "it's not you, it's me". Well, Pax seems to hear that one a lot.
by Sports2 on Feb 1, 2008 3:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
reportedly
Griz shouldn't waive McKie, get Pax on the line. He's tough and good in the locker room!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 3:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
True
by RogersPark Kris on Feb 1, 2008 3:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't he on the 76ers coaching staff?
by KT on Feb 1, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You did.
by withmalice on Feb 1, 2008 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bigger question on McKie
by snley on Feb 1, 2008 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now we can go for a
by eross226 on Feb 1, 2008 3:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Damn, and I said I would not post anymore
by Thirdrock on Feb 1, 2008 3:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Unofficial "FIRE PAXSON" Petition
by JCP233 on Feb 1, 2008 4:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I have a bad history with petitions
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone explain....
by cjurmann on Feb 1, 2008 4:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
Also, to make the team more saleable.
So maybe the media likes salary dump moves?
by KT on Feb 1, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this gives the Grizz enough cap room
That's according to Sham of Shamsports, the best tracker of salary around.
by KT on Feb 1, 2008 4:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, never thought of that
by RogersPark Kris on Feb 1, 2008 4:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bulls can always match
by bullshooter on Feb 1, 2008 4:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good point.
by 1958ChiTown on Feb 1, 2008 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If that happens...
by alec on Feb 1, 2008 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right. In a year when very few teams have cap
by Scotter on Feb 1, 2008 4:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Concur 100%
by 1958ChiTown on Feb 1, 2008 4:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm up for some activity
Even if it's just dealing Joe Smith for something to be used later.
But anyway, I only brought up Nocioni because it was reported by a couple different sources. In the grand scheme of things, 'missing out' on Gasol isn't that big of a deal. Unless they deal Noah+Tyrus for garbage, or continue to fail in developing them.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well unloading Joe Smith
by Scotter on Feb 1, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What hurts is what the Grizz got for Gasol
by ForWhomTheBullTolls on Feb 1, 2008 4:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
Here's an unofficial checklist of what teams want when they're trading stars: 1)cap room, 2)picks, and 3)young prospects. What the Grizz got: big cap relief (Kwame, McKey), 2 first-rounders, one decent young prospect in Crittenton, and another young prospect (Gasol Jr.) that has elicited several jeans-creaming sessions around Blog-a-Bull. The Bulls probably could have competed in the cap room and prospects department (if they were able to use the PJ Brown cap-dodge), but 2 first-rounders? I know the Lakers are picking low but I don't see the Bulls giving up non-protected picks (the New York situation proved that it can be a disasterous idea), and honestly I don't see the Bulls giving up multiple first rounders for Gasol. The Lakers won't need their picks because they now have a window of a few years of legit championship contention. The Bulls could have been one of several contenders for the East crown in the best possible Gasol-rejuvenating-the-franchise scenario, but they'd still need an elite scoring threat to be legit overall title contenders--a scoring threat that due to the Corpse's contract they'd be unable to get through free-agency. Basically multiple first round picks-OK idea for the Lakers, bad idea for the Bulls.
I understand animosity towards the Bulls, but put it on Jim "really-nice-but-also-super-incompetent" Boylan and the players that Pax actually has, not the players that he might have gotten.
by Petor on Feb 1, 2008 5:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
great post ... agreed
way too much bitching and moaning. forget the lakers. forget about kobe now. let's move on.
by Orange Juice on Feb 1, 2008 5:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why I'm worried
The Bulls have a boatload of high draft picks, but really right now haven't turned out a star out of them (although they have a couple guys they could still develop). And a big part of that is that they just don't have the minutes to move around right now to actually develop these guys.
This offseason, Pax needs to make a choice. Either he needs to commit to playing his young guys, which means he needs to clear space for them however he can, or he needs to turn his young guys into someone more effective. Picking up Gasol would fit the latter option. He might not be the best center in the league, but he's an upgrade over the current combination of Joe Smith and Ben Wallace for 30 minutes a game and Tyrus and Noah for 8 minutes a piece.
by balta1701 on Feb 1, 2008 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Err... huh?
by withmalice on Feb 1, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Our only hope
As for Nocioni, I really doubt he had anything to do with our trade or non trade. Why in the world would Memphis want him anymore? They wanted him this summer because they thought they could win with him and Gasol. If you get rid of Gasol they're not gonna win anytime soon and so they don't need a 28 year old role player aynmore.
by JSlakov on Feb 1, 2008 4:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
neither do the Bulls
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Feb 1, 2008 4:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bhahaha...
Gasol's a role-player. Riiiiiight.
by withmalice on Feb 1, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nocioni is the 28 year old role player
by Scotter on Feb 1, 2008 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
by withmalice on Feb 1, 2008 10:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hey
by chris44 on Feb 1, 2008 4:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You
by chris44 on Feb 1, 2008 5:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You better hope
by sue369 on Feb 1, 2008 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it your impression
As to your disparagement of Noah--he's been getting a steady and healthy dose of props from David Thorpe, and in his latest look atht eh top rookies Noah has worked his way up to 4th.
Since getting consistent minutes, he's been outplaying Horford. I wouldn't be surprised to see him end the season at number 2.
by alec on Feb 1, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not even being disgusted
by Jaina on Feb 1, 2008 8:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We tried
by TMD on Feb 1, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we had
by Jaina on Feb 1, 2008 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
Maybe there is a chance the Lakers are planning on acquiring Gasol in order to trade him to the Bulls for certain Bulls players? If that is not the case, I don't know where we go from here. Gasol was my #1 target for the Bulls...
by Mattchoo on Feb 1, 2008 5:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ummm... No.
Oh right. Of course the Bulls have players that would slot into the Lakers team MUCH better than Gasol does.
<rolls eyes>
Thanks, but no thanks. Bubbye. ;)
by withmalice on Feb 1, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We should go after Andris Biedrins
by eross226 on Feb 1, 2008 6:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
See that's the thing
I can't think of anyone else that the Bulls could go after anymore.
Why would GS get rid of Biedrins? When you got a good big guy, you don't trade him.
I honestly felt Gasol was our only and last hope for a long time. Now it seems they just gotta get lucky in the draft
by Option27 on Feb 1, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, not the draft.
by Scotter on Feb 1, 2008 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Those two lottery picks
That was pretty much known when they drafted em'
If you wanna call that baby hook Noah has and Thomas' dunking ability offense, well that's a different story
by Option27 on Feb 1, 2008 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thomas
Noah's not going to get any worse offensively. He's going to always get points off of offensive rebounds and FTs. He could already average double figure points as is if he got 32 min/g. Neither has to be good offensively as Pau anyway because they're both better defensively.
by Scotter on Feb 1, 2008 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Regressing Offensively
by Jesse07 on Feb 2, 2008 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That didn't exactly last did it?
by Scotter on Feb 2, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Might be a great example
by Jesse07 on Feb 2, 2008 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
same here
by messwiththebull on Feb 1, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I was checking past emails I've sent to
Bulls Get:
Pau Gasol (from Grizz)
Vladimir Radmonivic (from Lakers)
Brian Cardinal (from Grizz)
Lakers Get:
Ben Wallace
Bulls 2nd Round '08 Pick
Memphis Gets:
Kwame Brown (from Lakers) - has expiring contract
Tyrus Thomas (from Bulls)
Viktor Khryapa (from Bulls) - has expiring contract
Bulls 1st Round '08 Pick
Lakers 1st Round '08 Pick
by Mattchoo on Feb 1, 2008 6:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Are you completely and utterly insane?
Trade away - Radmonivic/Kwame/1st round pick.
For Wallace and a 2nd round pick??
Stay away from your mother's prescription medication!
by withmalice on Feb 1, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just found this out
by chgobr on Feb 1, 2008 7:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pax must be in
The players don't try or care and the games still sell out. There isn't much pressure on the management other than to make the playoffs and get some extra revenue out of this season.
A sense of urgency and being one of the profitable teams in the NBA apparently don't go hand in hand. After all, we've got a big man who gives us 4.5 and 8.7 in 32 minutes every game.... why would we want a 19 and 9 guy.
by No bull on Feb 1, 2008 7:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Lester Munson
He referred to the Bulls roster as hoped-for all-stars that have shown themselves to be nothing more than "journeymen."
by alec on Feb 1, 2008 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
People, we have a stuuuuuuuuuud,
by philosoball on Feb 1, 2008 8:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
someone who agrees with me...
and people, for the love of god, stop saying you arent going to be bulls fans if they keep "this" up. what the hell does that mean? do us a favor and stop being bulls fans, then. there is nothing worse than a fan who swears loyalty and allegiance when their team is kicking ass, and then jumping ship when the team is having a bad season. get over it, soar losers. this is all part of the process. what is it really worth if you don't even have to struggle for it? remember what phil said, "its the journey to the championship that counts, not the championship itself."
by Conor on Feb 2, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Phil works for LA now!
by chgobr on Feb 2, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am a little disappointed
by TMD on Feb 1, 2008 8:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who's with me?
by tyger1147 on Feb 1, 2008 9:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see that
by TMD on Feb 1, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Your rep isn't what you think it is
by bullshooter on Feb 1, 2008 10:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd wait because at least in that scenario
by Scotter on Feb 1, 2008 10:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a figure of speech, asshole.
by tyger1147 on Feb 1, 2008 11:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did Michael Redd actually say that?
by Freethefro on Feb 2, 2008 8:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In 2010-11
Whatever team he's on, we'll be lucky to finish runner up.
by RogersPark Kris on Feb 1, 2008 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you were Gasol
- Lakers
- Bulls
We fired Skiles, rookie coach Boylan beings nothing and now Chicago has fell from grace.
Paxson will have to come out of the box and start to make some changes that provide some lasting value.
He might not get a home run initially, but whimpy deals like signing AG to 3 years because he's a bench leader is not what we need now. Or, signing safe mle 1/2 year of value Joe Smith is ok and safe but now what? Does PJ Brown expiring contract go un-used? Someone needs to start a diary on potential guys available regardless if we feel they are the answer now? We have many holes and need to plug then one-by-one.
These moody players need some competition, their heads are so big and they continue to lose games.
The little Bullies just need to stay on the disable list and rest.. poor babies now feel like blaming their losing now all on Boylan?
If Paxson can get someone to run the PG better than his beloved Kirk, bring him in. Maybe this will reduce the time interval of Kirk's hot-cold playing. Duhon's not the answer. We need a PG who can shoot, not a PG who shoots.
Or someone who takes minutes away from Gordon and Thabo..Fine. Let them compete. If Deng wants to go to sleep in the 4th qtr, play someone else(Tyrus) let him(Deng) sit. Play Tyrus and design plays in practice just for him so that he has many 4th qtr explosions that will be heard all around the NBA to propel the Bulls to victories.
Exploit Tyrus strengths and mask his weaknesses. LSU did it, other NBA team do it all the time with their players. Once his confidence builds he'll think he has no weaknesses and he'll also be on time for practice. Shake it up, Boylan! what do you have to lose.. What you and Paxson are doing now isn't working..
by exult463 on Feb 1, 2008 9:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Now that's how you use an expiring contract!
It's sweet irony that Pau ends up with Kobe - two guys who should be in Bulls uniforms today.
by messwiththebull on Feb 1, 2008 9:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that's it in a nut shell!
It doesn't seem to make much sense, is their a hidden strategy waiting to be revealed? Maybe one day Paxson, Skiles or another insider will reveal the perceived logic(+ yea & nay opinions) in the Chandler - Wallace swap?
by exult463 on Feb 1, 2008 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Add me to the depressed column
Instead, we can look forward to passes to Big Ben with a few seconds on the shot clock. Little Ben losing the ball, falling down, or hoisting a last-second miss with taller players in his face. Games in which the most exciting thing in the box score is how many minutes Ty or Noah got. Listless efforts for which the team will admit the problem but have no answers other than "It is what it is." Oh, and ton of entries in the "biggest disappointments of the season" lists, Bill Simmons' mockery and Charles Barkley's broken-record dismissive complaints, and a few foaming-at-the-mouth rants from Mariotti.
by T Maple on Feb 1, 2008 11:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It feels
Both teams have shoot first PG, and talented abundance of 6'8 to 6'9 guys. Neither team has a true leader to carry the team on his shoulders. Both teams have won 18 games so far this year.
Which team will get the 8th seed in the playoffs?
by exult463 on Feb 1, 2008 11:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This isn't all that bad for the Grizzlies.
by Kemp on Feb 2, 2008 2:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Pax!! No fu... way!!
Pax?????
How did you let this happened!! OMG
by Zermerso on Feb 2, 2008 2:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It could easily be done!
Gasol for PG (sign in trade) + Ty2
Our NBA Champ team:
kirk-Tabo
Kobe/Ben
Chapo-Viktor
Gasol-Joe
Noah-Gray
by Zermerso on Feb 2, 2008 2:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ok
by Kemp on Feb 2, 2008 4:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Kemp...
Anyway, why would Kobe agree to that, when the team he's on now is BETTER?
by withmalice on Feb 2, 2008 6:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Memphis disappointed with the trade
The Grizzlies trade their best player to the Lakers for questionable talent and draft picks of little potential.
The Lakers' first-round picks in 2008 and 2010. Which will be so low in the first round as to be essentially worthless. The Phoenix Suns routinely sell their low first-round picks for cash. Other good teams spend them on players who will stay in Europe a few years and not clutter up their roster.
Point guard Javaris Crittenton. He's the Lakers' first-round pick from last year. The Grizzlies now have three young point guards heading into one of the deepest point-guard drafts in history.
And if the Lakers thought Crittenton was going to be a star, do you think they would have dealt him away? They wouldn't give up Andrew Bynum for anything.
Marc Gasol. Oh, brother. He's a former second-round pick who will almost certainly be dealt.
Kwame Brown and Aaron McKie. Brown is a bust and McKie is retired. They're included only for purposes of cap room.
by chgobr on Feb 2, 2008 7:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
We here held out hope yesterday
His column won't endear him to Paxson or Reinsdorf, that's for sure.
by alec on Feb 2, 2008 8:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bill Walton, during his broadcast
Someone summed it up perfectly here yesterday as paying 30 cents on the dollar, and asking why the Bulls could have offered 50.
Still stunned today.
by alec on Feb 2, 2008 8:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm shocked
by chgobr on Feb 2, 2008 8:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike McGraw says the Bulls deal
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=126520
"The Bulls thought they had a deal for Gasol a few weeks ago involving Nocioni and some other pieces, but it fell through when Memphis wanted the Bulls to take on an additional bad contract."
We are so screwed.
by alec on Feb 2, 2008 8:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What a suprise
Let me comment for you John.
"I'm embarrassed that I couldn't get the job done for a player I've always coveted. Add this to my list of trade failures."
by RogersPark Kris on Feb 2, 2008 8:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
pretty vile
by Freethefro on Feb 2, 2008 9:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When I look at the Corpse I get sick
by chgobr on Feb 2, 2008 9:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Screw it
by Freethefro on Feb 2, 2008 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the advice
by chgobr on Feb 2, 2008 9:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely good advice
Still brokenhearted about the Beloved, but I have hope that they're on the same page I am. The last rebuilding effort came close, but has nowhere to go as presently structured. When I posted the "Pax, you're fired" diary, it was with the hope they already have a 2011-12 plan in the works. Following the old adage, you gotta get real bad before you get real good, get what they can in picks, youth and cap space for BG, Deng, Noc, Kirk. Let BW expire if there are no deals. Try to maneuver up this year and next in the draft, and then look at the 2010 free agents. If they have the potential then that Portland had last year, how much of a dream is it to go for LeBron? Shit, we could have Paxson at point and Mike Brown at center as long as we kept TT and Noah and developed them for the next 2 years! And LeBron isn't the only possible chip, as you all know:
http://www.stopmikelupica.com/2007/12/nba_salary_cap_analysis_part_1.php
by California Al on Feb 2, 2008 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The word is "shocked"
The Bulls couldn't have made a better offer?It's a shocker that a scoring 7-footer could go for so little in talent, especially to the Bulls, who had been the prime suitors for Gasol for longer than a year.
This seemingly came about because the Grizzlies just wanted to dump salary.
The Grizzlies had been in talks with several teams in recent weeks, including the Bulls, league sources confirmed.
What Memphis was discovering was it could not get commensurate talent for Gasol, who has averaged almost 19 points and nine rebounds over his career. The Lakers initially were offering Brown and Vladimir Radmanovic, the Cavaliers supposedly were offering Drew Gooden and Larry Hughes and the Trail Blazers were believed to be offering Raef LaFrentz and Travis Outlaw. All were veteran players with long contracts at a time the Memphis franchise is for sale and losing upward of $25 million annually.
Smith's term there is that it's "a shocker... to the Bulls, who had been the prime suitors for Gasol for longer than a year".
If you've been talking to to a team for a freaking year, how can you be "shocked" about what they want. Especially when you have something like 3 other teams who aren't?
I think the idea that the Bulls "just didn't have any expiring contracts" is a bit of a wash. There seems to be a market out there that would have gotten expiring deals for the Bulls. Think some team wouldn't take Joe Smith for an expiring contract. We read the other day that Noc might get them from New Jersey. Think the Heat wouldn't trade Ricky Davis for one of those guys? Think the Nets wouldn't trade Jamaal Magloire for one of these guys?
Just to prove the point, I'm talking about something like this:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=10~498~2377~3224~3028~788~996&teams=4~ 13~13~13~13~17~4&te=&cash=
Ironically, it lends suspicion that the Bulls were also wrong in completely the wrong direction, potentially willing to give up much more in talent than they needed to, but ignorant of what was actually going on.
In other words, the situation was completely misjudged.
by Sports2 on Feb 2, 2008 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not only did we miss-judge Memphis
by chgobr on Feb 2, 2008 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Memphis didn't make a deal with us
by chgobr on Feb 2, 2008 10:03 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
No. They were just
The really frustrating part is that in five minutes Mike McGraw came up with a scenario that worked even better for Memphis than what they settled on from L.A.--and it wouldn't have cost the Bulls any of their valued players. All the Bulls would have had to have done is been willing to take on a bad contract.
L.A. was willing. Worse yet, the cost to the Bulls would have worked out to be $10 million less than what L.A. wound up paying. There's just no way to get away from the Bulls getting punked and getting played for complete fools in this deal.
by alec on Feb 2, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What makes me happier
Although I'm still sour on Gasol coming to my city, it makes it a bit easier to hear that the Bulls wouldn't give up Noah and Sefolosha for Gasol cause I wouldn't either.
Maybe Sefolosha if the price was right but my heart would be more hurt if they gave up Noah than it is already now.
by Option27 on Feb 2, 2008 10:11 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't want
by sue369 on Feb 2, 2008 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
worst part
by tyrus4prez on Feb 2, 2008 11:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
comments
I dont understand anyones reluctance to do away with either noah or tyrus for anyone who is actually already a good big man in the NBA. Espescially tyrus. say what you want but he has looked worse every month of the year and is looking like a big bust until he proves otherwise. lil spurts of good play mean little. I am sure stromile swift also had some amazing games in his young career too.
by Sambossanova on Feb 2, 2008 12:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
When you think of all the top-10 picks
by hhi on Feb 2, 2008 12:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Paxs
by chris44 on Feb 2, 2008 1:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why so eager to get rid of hinrich
by piccolomair on Feb 2, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean Larry Hughes?
by Prevenge on Feb 2, 2008 5:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my bet
by alec on Feb 2, 2008 3:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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