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Loss to Timberwolves venting thread

Well, if Gordon, Deng, and Smith are out, and Hinrich and Nocioni don't play well, Bulls basketball becomes "where 67 points against the TWolves happens"

Nocioni had an epic night in 28 'entitlement' minutes: 2-12, 7 points,  4 rebs, 4 fouls and 5 turnovers. I want him out of town last week. Sadly, the team needs him with so many injuries, and he's in one of his 'cold streaks'. I guess that makes him 'inconsistent'.

[I'm so sick of that word to describe everything with this team, both internally and from the outside. If they were consistent they'd be good. They're not inconsistent, they're bad.  If Tyrus Thomas was consistent he'd be one of the best players in the league (and tonight he was at least an entry pass machine, and Aaron Gray owes him dinner), so I'd take his (or Noah's, or Thabo's) inconsistency over the veterans consistency (welcome back Duh, 0-4 in 22 minutes. Though I guess it's either that or Griffin), and their consistency is a nice way of saying mediocre. And that's when they're called consistent, i.e. their good games. Was I consistent in that argument?]

Wallace was once again alright playing solo defense on Al Jefferson, until that pesky 2nd half of the game. Of course, Wallace made up for this by doing nothing else worthwhile on the court, he had 7 defensive rebounds while Jefferson had 6 offensive (20 overall).  And his perfect shooting percentage (1-1) must've encouraged Boylan to get him out there in the 4th while his team was down double-digits. Here's more Boylan goodness courtesy of commenter sbulls9030, who deserves the spotlight after bravely attending a game where the first quarter score was 14-8: " Boylan and his stupid rotations.  He has 3 somewhat healthy guards and he still decides to play a 3 guard lineup along with Nocioni and Wallace?  It should be a crime to put five guys on the floor that all 6'7" or shorter in an NBA game."

I'm so frustrated with Nocioni that I don't want to see him in an NBA game regardless of what 4 teammates he has, but as I said that's not really a possibility with Deng and Gordon out, they not only needed Noc to play but play well. Didn't happen. 

There's good news: the Bulls don't play again until Saturday.

And while I hope Gordon and Smith will be available by then, unfortunately those returns won't mean fewer minutes for Duhon and Noc. It'll mean less for Thabo, Noah, and Thomas, as the team resumes the Boylan-led veteran-laden charge towards the playoffs.

And since the Bulls will never be out of this playoff 'race', the best we can hope for is that it only lasts until the trade deadline.

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Didn't see it live
but when I watched on tivo, I have to admit that I wasn't surprised.

But 67 points?  
Against the worst team in the league?
What a lost, scrappy, direction-less team.

Probably a good thing there was no post game show tonight too...one can only imagine what abNorm and fishGill woulda said...

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 31, 2008 12:01 AM CST   0 recs

And Kirk...
yet another brilliant night for the ensign...
5-17 including 1-6 from the arch...
What's worse is that TIED with Thabo for most points on the team....
Stunning.

And then Boylan's after game remarks about the guys "being childish" and "going off into their own little worlds" CLEARLY indicates that the team is pretty much shutting HIM out now as well.

Honeymoon, road trip, season over.
But hey - there's still the playoffs.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 31, 2008 12:15 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

d'oh, I forgot the other good point of the game
(besides that it's the last for a while)

Tyrus Thomas is an entry-pass machine. Aaron Gray owes him dinner.

(he had a couple bad passes too, but not in the halfcourt set)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2008 12:02 AM CST   0 recs

The Bulls:
One of the only teams that would get better trading half their team for nothing, and replacing them with guys from the D-League.

by Prevenge on Jan 31, 2008 12:06 AM CST   0 recs

The Bulls do suck...
but your mastery of inappropriate Tyrus ass-kissing doesn't.

by Kemp on Jan 31, 2008 12:15 AM CST   0 recs

Boylan:
"Some guys out there just seemed to shut it off," Boylan said. "That was disappointing to see."

"Just shut it off," Boylan said. "They stopped playing with energy. They stopped playing with focus. They went into their own little worlds, acting kind of childish at times instead of doing what we know we need to do."

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-080130-chicago-bulls-minnesota-ti mberwolves,1,1560065.story

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2008 12:17 AM CST   0 recs

more Boylan
From the Herald:
At one point in the second half, Boylan did yell to his team to line up on the free-throw lane instead of complaining about a foul call.

"I think what happens in the second half is we get a little demoralized because we can't find any scoring," Boylan said. "So then we kind of got our heads down a little bit and kind of gave in to the fatigue and gave in to the back-to-back situation."

Who bitches at officials? Hinrich, Wallace, Nocioni.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2008 10:35 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Maybe with
your blinders on you haven't noticed Noah does a fantastic job of bitching at the refs too.
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 31, 2008 12:43 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, but Kirk's got it down to a science.
He bitches at them without looking at them, thereby always leaving a hint of doubt about whether he was really talking to them or not.

by alec on Jan 31, 2008 1:18 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Sometimes
he has a right to bitch.
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 31, 2008 1:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

But he did
bitch last night with a smile on his face. :-)
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 31, 2008 1:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Key word.
"Sometimes."

Most times he doesn't. That's what's annoying. Even if it were half and half I could tolerate. But he gets disgusted on nearly all his fouls, and they aren't calling him that poorly. To me, it's the boy who cried wolf thing: it just becomes too much.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 31, 2008 1:50 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Ben Gordon has
started the whiney thing too when he gets called for a foul. I can see his scrunched up face now like it is when he gets a call.
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 31, 2008 1:59 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

At least Kirk
isn't in the refs face after every call like so many others in the NBA are.
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 31, 2008 2:01 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Very true.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 31, 2008 2:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Did you
get to see any of the Hawkeye game last night?
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 31, 2008 2:16 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

No.
I don't have cable, and I'm in the process of moving out that (finally) ends today.

How was it?

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 31, 2008 2:20 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

We played them
close in the first half and then got down by 7 in the second only to come back and lose by one in the last seconds. I wasn't excpecting them to be great but they have shown improvement since the start of the season.
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 31, 2008 2:25 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I just read the recap.
The Cubs blog I visit has a number of Hawkeye fans. Lucky for me, I was able to not think about this season before it started since it was rebuilding. It's nice to see them doing well, though. I'd be pleased with 12 wins.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 31, 2008 2:28 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Me too.
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 31, 2008 2:32 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Heh,
Iowa sucks.

(I've been trying to rub that in, but haven't found the chance. 4 months later)

"Glen Davis??? wow!! We had Glen Davis, his name is Michael Sweetney" - tyrus4prez

by NittanyBull on Feb 1, 2008 10:44 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Brat :P
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Feb 1, 2008 5:19 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

At one point
you couldn't definitely see him yell "Joakhim go line up" after Noah was bitching about a call.

by CrashDavis on Jan 31, 2008 2:55 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Not that we all didn't notice it,
but Bulls players in their freshman or sophomore campaign in the league shot a combined 15-32.  That's Thabo, Noah, TT and Gray if it was unclear.  The "veterans" were 8-37.  I know Boylan can't wait to get Deng and BG back so he can sit down those raw, inexperienced young players, but playing Du, Wallace and Noc is killing this team and any hopes of truly making strides as an organization this season.  I keep holding out hope that Paxson is playing the shit out of these clowns in order to maximize their value before the trade deadline, but it's becoming more and more clear that we are gonna watch these clowns until this season mercifully comes to an end.
Why don't you crack an egg of knowledge all over me, buddy.

by MarketMaker on Jan 31, 2008 12:20 AM CST   0 recs

Also
Why on Earth do are we forced to deal with the fact that either Duhon or Griffin is gonna get 20+ minutes in a game?  What kind of Sophie's Choice scenario is Boylan forcing on us?  
Why don't you crack an egg of knowledge all over me, buddy.

by MarketMaker on Jan 31, 2008 12:24 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Please
Tyrus still hasn't gotten double-digit points or double-digit rebounds. If he were really that could, he would have done that already.

It's kind of funny, isn't it? Tyrus didn't earn his minutes-I mean, he's only been playing because guys have been hurt-but yet... he's been playing better with the more minutes he's gotten. It's almost, like, unpredictable!!!

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 31, 2008 6:57 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Uh
he had a double-double vs the Suns.

by Jaina on Jan 31, 2008 11:07 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Unless that was sarcasm
it's hard to tell :P

by Jaina on Jan 31, 2008 11:08 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Sounds like Thabo is in the starting lineup to sta
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/769418,CST-SPT-bullnt31.article

Thank God.  It would be nice if Noah can stay in the starting lineup too, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

by Big D on Jan 31, 2008 1:21 AM CST   0 recs

When Boylan says Thabo starting
"It puts a little less pressure on either Kirk..."

Uh, duh, that's why we drafted him, you {insert obscenity here}!!!!!!!!

We all knew last year what Boylan learned last week.  

This team pisses me off.

I think you bring in a new coach with some moxie, willingness to bench anyone who's playing badly, and then we might be as good as the Wizards.  Might.  But if we aren't, we'll rack up the minutes for the young'ns, which might make us better next year.  And right now, it's all about next year.

Interest Level = Wins - Losses + 2*Tyrus Time + 1.5*(Thabo + Noah Time) - .4*Bricked layups + 3*Red Kerr Blathering time

by cubbybear on Jan 31, 2008 2:45 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Sometimes it seems like Brian Hanley
saves up his quotes for a few days then dumps them all into one column.  Half the Boylan quotes here about Viktor seem to relate to two games ago...in fact, I think I already read most of them yesterday.  Maybe Hanley's quitting on the team, too.

But let's look at the Boylan/Viktor quotes anyway, this one in particular:

''Hopefully, Viktor can continue down the road where he's helping us. Viktor's a versatile player. He can play-make, he can shoot, he's got some good size, he's got some good experience from his international play. We'll continue to look at him and see if he can help.''

Is he taking a not so veiled swipe at Noc here?  It almost seems like it...but that might just be wishful thinking on my part.  

Noc's game last night was the clearest case yet for not trading Deng.  Noc just can't take his place.  When Deng is bad, it's usually in the form of him disappearing.  When Noc is bad, he can single-handedly take the whole team down with him.    

by alec on Jan 31, 2008 9:24 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

based on this stretch
Gordon and Deng have earned max money.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2008 9:26 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

boylan's an idiot
I have no more use for him as a coach...

"we'll continue to look at him and see IF he can help."  Hmmm...the guy has been on your team for two years now and you STILL don't know if he can help or not?  By now you would think they would have SOME type of idea how much help he can be.  I think Skiles was dead on with VK...he was glued to the bench for a reason.  Don't give false hope thru the media.  It only insults our intelligence as fans and makes him look more of an idiot than what he already is.

Just two and a half more months to go and we can be done with this mess of a season...

by ScottieCartwright on Jan 31, 2008 9:53 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

friggin Hanley
I can't fault him saving up quotes (I doubt the team gives daily gems, and he does have to write something every day), but here's him on the radio just now:

Someone asked him point blank: who is Boylan talking about when saying 'shut it off, childish', etc.

Hanley: "Well one guy you know is always giving effort is Andres Nocioni...."

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2008 10:46 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

don't make me throw up
I'm sick of people (mainly the idiotic chicago media) confusing "effort" with yelling, screaming, flopping, flailing, and being out of control.

Instead of noting how much "effort" Nocioni brings, why not note how many times he doesn't close out on his man defensively, note how many times he gets blown by, note how many defensive assignments he misses...ugh

by ScottieCartwright on Jan 31, 2008 10:50 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I don't doubt Noc gives effort
but if the quote from Boylan also includes 'childish', I can't think of a more apt example than Noc.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2008 11:07 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Well then Hanlely is flat out lying now.
Nocioni brought no energy last night.  There was no hustle last night.  There's a difference between aggressively dribbling into a triple team with your head down and hustle.  The hustle wasn't there on defense or offense when he didn't have the ball.  He simply sabotaged his own team.

by Scotter on Jan 31, 2008 11:09 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'll give hanley one disclaimer
he did say afterwards that while Noc is always at full speed, "sometimes that's not good".

I don't know, Noc probably thought he was the guy needed to 'step up', so his effort was an effort to handle the ball more and score more.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2008 11:13 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

to the sun-times: I apologize
for the Hanley bashing, and/or John Jackson avoidance.

Link!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2008 3:59 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Well, at least you can say
you pardoned Hanley's quote recycling before you knew he was giving you the star treatment.

by alec on Jan 31, 2008 4:22 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Although when you think about it
their mentioning you probably helps pump their circulation more than it helps you with yours.

by alec on Jan 31, 2008 4:25 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

good that he says it
but I'll believe it when I see it. I forsee a game where Duhon gives Boylan 'more confidence', he hits 2 threes, and that's that.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2008 9:24 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

On an unrelated Tyrus-praising sidenote...
It's almost to the point that one of use should make a "Tyrus Thomas Facts" Thread, which of course Matt will bump up permanently to the top of the list.

It's too late for me to be funny, but I'll try to kick it off anyways:
"Tyrus Thomas didn't gain weight this offseason by working out.  He ate part of a rafter at Hoops the Gym."

Interest Level = Wins - Losses + 2*Tyrus Time + 1.5*(Thabo + Noah Time) - .4*Bricked layups + 3*Red Kerr Blathering time

by cubbybear on Jan 31, 2008 2:49 AM CST   0 recs

Another TT fact
Tyrus Thomas doesn't jump.  The ground tries to run away from him.

by paxson43 on Jan 31, 2008 6:41 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Why not
run out a starting lineup of...

Hinrich
Sefolosha
Nichols
Thomas
Noah

and see what they can do?  I understand that the management still has high hopes to make the Playoffs, but why not run out the younger guys and see what they can do, especially since the vets are, obviously, not getting the job done.  It can't be much worse than putting up 67 against Minnesota!

(And, yes, if JamesOn Curry was healthy, I would have had him in there other than Kirk)

by BigScott03 on Jan 31, 2008 7:19 AM CST   0 recs

I really wish
they could/would trade Nocioni.  When he's at his worst, he's just utterly disgusting.

His constant chucking, even when missing or tightly guarded, hurts the team.  His complaining after every call has gotten old.

I'll be glad when Lu gets back...

I don't even have the energy to say anything else about this sucky team...

by ScottieCartwright on Jan 31, 2008 8:24 AM CST   0 recs

" Cashed"...
Just like a doobie at a party. I'm shutting it down to. If they make a trade or do something radical, I'll definitley check it out. But right now, with this team, I just don't want to watch them anymore. I'm just glad I didn't buy tickets yet this year. I'll always be a Bulls fan, but right now, if the players don't care, why should I???
http://slickyricky76.blogspot.com/

by SlickRick76 on Jan 31, 2008 9:14 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Ben Wallace should not start anymore, buy him out
This guy can't score now, and doesn't do a very good job defensively anymore. I think the bulls should buy out this piece of crap because he hurts more than he helps.

by armstrong2389 on Jan 31, 2008 8:49 AM CST   0 recs

2 times last night
There were two times where a Bull had the ball, saw a wide open man in red, realized it was Ben Wallace, and didn't pass to him.

First example
Thabo driving to the hoop.  He draws a TRIPLE TEAM in the center of the lane.  Wallace is WIDE OPEN on the baseline ready to catch the pass and flush it.  Thabo put up a shot.

Second example
Late 3rd quarter the Bulls are feeding the ball around the perimeter after Veektor drove baseline.  The ball kicks to Thabo on the left wing, to Kirk at the left elbow.  Then he turns to fire to his right where a big red shirt is wide open from 16 feet.  Kirk sees that it's the corpse and he pulls back.

I've stopped pretending the corpse isn't a hole in the offense.

That said, Nocioni picked the wrong game to have his worst outing as an NBA professional.  I don't know if I've ever seen a worse performance against the worst team in the NBA.  5 turnovers sounds low.  We might as well count the quick bricks he fired up as turnovers.

by NBA Observer on Jan 31, 2008 9:43 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I remember that 3rd quarter example
It's much worse than the 'old' Ben Wallace (who was, ironically, the young Ben Wallace). Who could at least get that ball, and make a couple steps towards the basket just to keep the offense moving.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2008 9:46 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

The 3Q possesion stuck out in my mind too.
Ben Wallace absolutely kills the flow on offense.

by Jesse07 on Jan 31, 2008 11:52 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I can't watch the team anymore
It's painful.  I think I felt better watching some of the Floyd teams.  At least that roster was all young and stupid.

I'm taking a sabbatical from the Bulls until after the all-star break.

by NBA Observer on Jan 31, 2008 9:44 AM CST   0 recs

I've scaled back
I used to watch them live or near-live, but now I tape the games all the way through and can usually get through them in an hour.

Now that I read that, it makes it sound like a chore.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2008 9:47 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I don't know what I would do without DVR
Skipping the commercials is one thing, but getting to replay the Kirk Hinrich no pass to Ben Wallace just had me laughing out loud it was so pathetic.

I even watched this play with my roommate that is a Pistons fan.  He doesn't remember the Pistons players NOT passing to a wide open Wallace with 10-15 seconds left on the clock.

by NBA Observer on Jan 31, 2008 11:58 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Guys, please stop this...
I would kill to be able to watch the games, let alone one game (Live or not). At the moment, I just have NO ACCESS at all.

Matt, if you don't know what to do with your taped games, please send me the DVDs to Switzerland. I'll gladly give you my address should you wish to make a trip to Europe one day too :-).

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Feb 1, 2008 2:31 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Oh and I forgot,
when you come to Vevey, make sure to visit our memorial to Jim Boylan (there's a whole museum dedicated to the best player/coach that we have had the pleasure to have here), since you're a big fan of Jim !

And take Duhon in your travel bag with you, our VRB team (Vevey-Riviera Basket) needs a new american point guard.

The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Feb 1, 2008 2:35 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Even the telecast
was bad last night.  Johnny Kerr seems like he has just completely given up on offering anything close to in-game analysis.  His dead silence at times is just hilarious.

Plus, he has entirely sucked Wayne Larrivee into the homer zone.  Wayne used to be somewhat balanced, and non-biased...to a degree.  Now, he homers just like the rest.

by ScottieCartwright on Jan 31, 2008 10:01 AM CST   0 recs

dead silence
except for the candy wrapper.

(backup joke: emphasizing the 'dead' in dead silence)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2008 10:12 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

The "Race"
Don't you just wish a couple of those 7th or 8th seeded East teams could just go on a run and totally distance themselves from the Bulls in this wack playoff race?!

Then maybe Paxson will get a clue that being 9 games under .500 in the East isn't acceptable

by Option27 on Jan 31, 2008 10:12 AM CST   0 recs

I think you're on the right track.
You just know the next thing we're going to be hearing about is how, even with all our injuries, the race didn't get away from us...and now, with our veterans back at full strength, we're looking to leap-frog the pack.

"Ghost of the future, I fear you more than any spectre I have seen."

by alec on Jan 31, 2008 10:22 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

There aren't too many players
who are on every night!  Noc, Kirk had a bad night, without injuries this team is still offensively challenged.  Well for Kirk I'm not to excited yet about him averaging 27 ppg for 3 games especially against this type of competition.

by exult463 on Jan 31, 2008 11:00 AM CST   0 recs

i don't think
that anyone is asking them to be "on" every single night...just be even-keeled.  Don't be red hot one night and then get 8 points the next night.

Our same exact team just beat their same exact team the night before...both teams had to travel...Minnesota only had 8 wins the entire season...what changed so much in one day that made our team play like such pieces of steaming crap??

I could've even lived with, say a 4-6 point loss...but to get blown out??  That is unacceptable.

by ScottieCartwright on Jan 31, 2008 11:04 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

This is some of the whiniest shit I have ever read
It's worse than watching the game.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 31, 2008 11:17 AM CST   0 recs

go cry a river
don't get mad because your two favorite players on the team played like a pile of fecal matter

by ScottieCartwright on Jan 31, 2008 11:19 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

by pile of fecal matter
do you mean one assist shy of a double double while playing his second straight night 40+ min?  WTF did you expect?  And as for Noc, a guy who whole-heartedly agrees he should be coming off of the bench, sure, he sucked a dick last night.  WTF did you expect?  Thabo is making his 12 career start?  WTF did you expect.  Noah is a PF with NO jumpshot and limited post moves, and nobody to pass to.  WTF did you expect?  And an over the hill center who never had an offensive game?  WTF did you expect.  And they played against a team that's won 4 of their last 6.  A deep playoff run was a dream that died in December.  You guys need to recalibrate your expectations, especially with the "two best players" pulling a contract stunt and sitting out trying to show how valuable they are to the team...
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 31, 2008 11:30 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

it's working
maybe not towards new contracts, but hopefully it shows the unappreciative how good they are, and they can't be replaced by Noc and Thabo.

who cares about double-doubles?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2008 11:36 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Only those w/ a double-standard
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 31, 2008 11:40 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

except that
the team is actually playing better without them than with them.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 31, 2008 2:36 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

::belly laugh::
well, if you 'lower expectations', sure.

Oh, man. Oh, man! Noc rulezzz.z..

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2008 3:03 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Noc aside
(he's been stinking it up) Can you really say they are playing any worse right now?
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 31, 2008 3:35 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

are you trying to be the Skip Bayless of BaB?
no, the team is not better without Deng and Gordon, their two best players.

any idea of such is likely due to contrarian craziness, or just not seeing how soft the schedule has been. I'd even say they're not better under Boylan. The only success was Duhon's injury forcing Thabo to play.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2008 3:47 PM CST to parent up