Loss to Timberwolves venting thread
Well, if Gordon, Deng, and Smith are out, and Hinrich and Nocioni don't play well, Bulls basketball becomes "where 67 points against the TWolves happens"
Nocioni had an epic night in 28 'entitlement' minutes: 2-12, 7 points, 4 rebs, 4 fouls and 5 turnovers. I want him out of town last week. Sadly, the team needs him with so many injuries, and he's in one of his 'cold streaks'. I guess that makes him 'inconsistent'.
[I'm so sick of that word to describe everything with this team, both internally and from the outside. If they were consistent they'd be good. They're not inconsistent, they're bad. If Tyrus Thomas was consistent he'd be one of the best players in the league (and tonight he was at least an entry pass machine, and Aaron Gray owes him dinner), so I'd take his (or Noah's, or Thabo's) inconsistency over the veterans consistency (welcome back Duh, 0-4 in 22 minutes. Though I guess it's either that or Griffin), and their consistency is a nice way of saying mediocre. And that's when they're called consistent, i.e. their good games. Was I consistent in that argument?]
Wallace was once again alright playing solo defense on Al Jefferson, until that pesky 2nd half of the game. Of course, Wallace made up for this by doing nothing else worthwhile on the court, he had 7 defensive rebounds while Jefferson had 6 offensive (20 overall). And his perfect shooting percentage (1-1) must've encouraged Boylan to get him out there in the 4th while his team was down double-digits. Here's more Boylan goodness courtesy of commenter sbulls9030, who deserves the spotlight after bravely attending a game where the first quarter score was 14-8: " Boylan and his stupid rotations. He has 3 somewhat healthy guards and he still decides to play a 3 guard lineup along with Nocioni and Wallace? It should be a crime to put five guys on the floor that all 6'7" or shorter in an NBA game."
I'm so frustrated with Nocioni that I don't want to see him in an NBA game regardless of what 4 teammates he has, but as I said that's not really a possibility with Deng and Gordon out, they not only needed Noc to play but play well. Didn't happen.
There's good news: the Bulls don't play again until Saturday.
And while I hope Gordon and Smith will be available by then, unfortunately those returns won't mean fewer minutes for Duhon and Noc. It'll mean less for Thabo, Noah, and Thomas, as the team resumes the Boylan-led veteran-laden charge towards the playoffs.
And since the Bulls will never be out of this playoff 'race', the best we can hope for is that it only lasts until the trade deadline.
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Didn't see it live
But 67 points?
Against the worst team in the league?
What a lost, scrappy, direction-less team.
Probably a good thing there was no post game show tonight too...one can only imagine what abNorm and fishGill woulda said...
by Bluelou on Jan 31, 2008 12:01 AM CST 0 recs
And Kirk...
5-17 including 1-6 from the arch...
What's worse is that TIED with Thabo for most points on the team....
Stunning.
And then Boylan's after game remarks about the guys "being childish" and "going off into their own little worlds" CLEARLY indicates that the team is pretty much shutting HIM out now as well.
Honeymoon, road trip, season over.
But hey - there's still the playoffs.
by Bluelou on
Jan 31, 2008 12:15 AM CST
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d'oh, I forgot the other good point of the game
Tyrus Thomas is an entry-pass machine. Aaron Gray owes him dinner.
(he had a couple bad passes too, but not in the halfcourt set)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2008 12:02 AM CST 0 recs
since it's tyrus praise
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 31, 2008 12:06 AM CST
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The Bulls:
by Prevenge on Jan 31, 2008 12:06 AM CST 0 recs
The Bulls do suck...
by Kemp on Jan 31, 2008 12:15 AM CST 0 recs
Boylan:
"Just shut it off," Boylan said. "They stopped playing with energy. They stopped playing with focus. They went into their own little worlds, acting kind of childish at times instead of doing what we know we need to do."
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 31, 2008 12:17 AM CST 0 recs
more Boylan
"I think what happens in the second half is we get a little demoralized because we can't find any scoring," Boylan said. "So then we kind of got our heads down a little bit and kind of gave in to the fatigue and gave in to the back-to-back situation."
Who bitches at officials? Hinrich, Wallace, Nocioni.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 31, 2008 10:35 AM CST
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Maybe with
by sue369 on
Jan 31, 2008 12:43 PM CST
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Yeah, but Kirk's got it down to a science.
by alec on
Jan 31, 2008 1:18 PM CST
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Sometimes
by sue369 on
Jan 31, 2008 1:31 PM CST
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But he did
by sue369 on
Jan 31, 2008 1:42 PM CST
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Key word.
Most times he doesn't. That's what's annoying. Even if it were half and half I could tolerate. But he gets disgusted on nearly all his fouls, and they aren't calling him that poorly. To me, it's the boy who cried wolf thing: it just becomes too much.
by tyger1147 on
Jan 31, 2008 1:50 PM CST
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Ben Gordon has
by sue369 on
Jan 31, 2008 1:59 PM CST
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At least Kirk
by sue369 on
Jan 31, 2008 2:01 PM CST
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Very true.
by tyger1147 on
Jan 31, 2008 2:15 PM CST
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Did you
by sue369 on
Jan 31, 2008 2:16 PM CST
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No.
How was it?
by tyger1147 on
Jan 31, 2008 2:20 PM CST
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We played them
by sue369 on
Jan 31, 2008 2:25 PM CST
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I just read the recap.
by tyger1147 on
Jan 31, 2008 2:28 PM CST
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Heh,
(I've been trying to rub that in, but haven't found the chance. 4 months later)
by NittanyBull on
Feb 1, 2008 10:44 AM CST
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At one point
by CrashDavis on
Jan 31, 2008 2:55 PM CST
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Not that we all didn't notice it,
by MarketMaker on Jan 31, 2008 12:20 AM CST 0 recs
Also
by MarketMaker on
Jan 31, 2008 12:24 AM CST
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Please
It's kind of funny, isn't it? Tyrus didn't earn his minutes-I mean, he's only been playing because guys have been hurt-but yet... he's been playing better with the more minutes he's gotten. It's almost, like, unpredictable!!!
by tyger1147 on
Jan 31, 2008 6:57 AM CST
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Sounds like Thabo is in the starting lineup to sta
Thank God. It would be nice if Noah can stay in the starting lineup too, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.
by Big D on Jan 31, 2008 1:21 AM CST 0 recs
When Boylan says Thabo starting
Uh, duh, that's why we drafted him, you {insert obscenity here}!!!!!!!!
We all knew last year what Boylan learned last week.
This team pisses me off.
I think you bring in a new coach with some moxie, willingness to bench anyone who's playing badly, and then we might be as good as the Wizards. Might. But if we aren't, we'll rack up the minutes for the young'ns, which might make us better next year. And right now, it's all about next year.
by cubbybear on
Jan 31, 2008 2:45 AM CST
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Sometimes it seems like Brian Hanley
But let's look at the Boylan/Viktor quotes anyway, this one in particular:
''Hopefully, Viktor can continue down the road where he's helping us. Viktor's a versatile player. He can play-make, he can shoot, he's got some good size, he's got some good experience from his international play. We'll continue to look at him and see if he can help.''
Is he taking a not so veiled swipe at Noc here? It almost seems like it...but that might just be wishful thinking on my part.
Noc's game last night was the clearest case yet for not trading Deng. Noc just can't take his place. When Deng is bad, it's usually in the form of him disappearing. When Noc is bad, he can single-handedly take the whole team down with him.
by alec on
Jan 31, 2008 9:24 AM CST
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based on this stretch
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 31, 2008 9:26 AM CST
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boylan's an idiot
"we'll continue to look at him and see IF he can help." Hmmm...the guy has been on your team for two years now and you STILL don't know if he can help or not? By now you would think they would have SOME type of idea how much help he can be. I think Skiles was dead on with VK...he was glued to the bench for a reason. Don't give false hope thru the media. It only insults our intelligence as fans and makes him look more of an idiot than what he already is.
Just two and a half more months to go and we can be done with this mess of a season...
by ScottieCartwright on
Jan 31, 2008 9:53 AM CST
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friggin Hanley
Someone asked him point blank: who is Boylan talking about when saying 'shut it off, childish', etc.
Hanley: "Well one guy you know is always giving effort is Andres Nocioni...."
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 31, 2008 10:46 AM CST
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don't make me throw up
Instead of noting how much "effort" Nocioni brings, why not note how many times he doesn't close out on his man defensively, note how many times he gets blown by, note how many defensive assignments he misses...ugh
by ScottieCartwright on
Jan 31, 2008 10:50 AM CST
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I don't doubt Noc gives effort
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 31, 2008 11:07 AM CST
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Well then Hanlely is flat out lying now.
by Scotter on
Jan 31, 2008 11:09 AM CST
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I'll give hanley one disclaimer
I don't know, Noc probably thought he was the guy needed to 'step up', so his effort was an effort to handle the ball more and score more.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 31, 2008 11:13 AM CST
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to the sun-times: I apologize
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 31, 2008 3:59 PM CST
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Well, at least you can say
by alec on
Jan 31, 2008 4:22 PM CST
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Although when you think about it
by alec on
Jan 31, 2008 4:25 PM CST
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good that he says it
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 31, 2008 9:24 AM CST
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On an unrelated Tyrus-praising sidenote...
It's too late for me to be funny, but I'll try to kick it off anyways:
"Tyrus Thomas didn't gain weight this offseason by working out. He ate part of a rafter at Hoops the Gym."
by cubbybear on Jan 31, 2008 2:49 AM CST 0 recs
Another TT fact
by paxson43 on
Jan 31, 2008 6:41 AM CST
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Why not
Hinrich
Sefolosha
Nichols
Thomas
Noah
and see what they can do? I understand that the management still has high hopes to make the Playoffs, but why not run out the younger guys and see what they can do, especially since the vets are, obviously, not getting the job done. It can't be much worse than putting up 67 against Minnesota!
(And, yes, if JamesOn Curry was healthy, I would have had him in there other than Kirk)
by BigScott03 on Jan 31, 2008 7:19 AM CST 0 recs
I really wish
His constant chucking, even when missing or tightly guarded, hurts the team. His complaining after every call has gotten old.
I'll be glad when Lu gets back...
I don't even have the energy to say anything else about this sucky team...
by ScottieCartwright on Jan 31, 2008 8:24 AM CST 0 recs
" Cashed"...
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Jan 31, 2008 9:14 AM CST
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Ben Wallace should not start anymore, buy him out
by armstrong2389 on Jan 31, 2008 8:49 AM CST 0 recs
2 times last night
First example
Thabo driving to the hoop. He draws a TRIPLE TEAM in the center of the lane. Wallace is WIDE OPEN on the baseline ready to catch the pass and flush it. Thabo put up a shot.
Second example
Late 3rd quarter the Bulls are feeding the ball around the perimeter after Veektor drove baseline. The ball kicks to Thabo on the left wing, to Kirk at the left elbow. Then he turns to fire to his right where a big red shirt is wide open from 16 feet. Kirk sees that it's the corpse and he pulls back.
I've stopped pretending the corpse isn't a hole in the offense.
That said, Nocioni picked the wrong game to have his worst outing as an NBA professional. I don't know if I've ever seen a worse performance against the worst team in the NBA. 5 turnovers sounds low. We might as well count the quick bricks he fired up as turnovers.
by NBA Observer on
Jan 31, 2008 9:43 AM CST
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I remember that 3rd quarter example
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 31, 2008 9:46 AM CST
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The 3Q possesion stuck out in my mind too.
by Jesse07 on
Jan 31, 2008 11:52 AM CST
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I can't watch the team anymore
I'm taking a sabbatical from the Bulls until after the all-star break.
by NBA Observer on Jan 31, 2008 9:44 AM CST 0 recs
I've scaled back
Now that I read that, it makes it sound like a chore.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 31, 2008 9:47 AM CST
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I don't know what I would do without DVR
I even watched this play with my roommate that is a Pistons fan. He doesn't remember the Pistons players NOT passing to a wide open Wallace with 10-15 seconds left on the clock.
by NBA Observer on
Jan 31, 2008 11:58 AM CST
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Guys, please stop this...
Matt, if you don't know what to do with your taped games, please send me the DVDs to Switzerland. I'll gladly give you my address should you wish to make a trip to Europe one day too :-).
by Diabolo on
Feb 1, 2008 2:31 AM CST
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Oh and I forgot,
And take Duhon in your travel bag with you, our VRB team (Vevey-Riviera Basket) needs a new american point guard.
by Diabolo on
Feb 1, 2008 2:35 AM CST
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Even the telecast
Plus, he has entirely sucked Wayne Larrivee into the homer zone. Wayne used to be somewhat balanced, and non-biased...to a degree. Now, he homers just like the rest.
by ScottieCartwright on Jan 31, 2008 10:01 AM CST 0 recs
dead silence
(backup joke: emphasizing the 'dead' in dead silence)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 31, 2008 10:12 AM CST
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The "Race"
Then maybe Paxson will get a clue that being 9 games under .500 in the East isn't acceptable
by Option27 on Jan 31, 2008 10:12 AM CST 0 recs
I think you're on the right track.
"Ghost of the future, I fear you more than any spectre I have seen."
by alec on
Jan 31, 2008 10:22 AM CST
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There aren't too many players
by exult463 on Jan 31, 2008 11:00 AM CST 0 recs
Kirk's binge turned into a sugar binge.
by alec on
Jan 31, 2008 11:02 AM CST
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i don't think
Our same exact team just beat their same exact team the night before...both teams had to travel...Minnesota only had 8 wins the entire season...what changed so much in one day that made our team play like such pieces of steaming crap??
I could've even lived with, say a 4-6 point loss...but to get blown out?? That is unacceptable.
by ScottieCartwright on
Jan 31, 2008 11:04 AM CST
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This is some of the whiniest shit I have ever read
by bullshooter on Jan 31, 2008 11:17 AM CST 0 recs
go cry a river
by ScottieCartwright on
Jan 31, 2008 11:19 AM CST
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by pile of fecal matter
by bullshooter on
Jan 31, 2008 11:30 AM CST
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it's working
who cares about double-doubles?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 31, 2008 11:36 AM CST
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Only those w/ a double-standard
by tyger1147 on
Jan 31, 2008 11:40 AM CST
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except that
by bullshooter on
Jan 31, 2008 2:36 PM CST
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::belly laugh::
Oh, man. Oh, man! Noc rulezzz.z..
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Jan 31, 2008 3:03 PM CST
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Noc aside
by bullshooter on
Jan 31, 2008 3:35 PM CST
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are you trying to be the Skip Bayless of BaB?
any idea of such is likely due to contrarian craziness, or just not seeing how soft the schedule has been. I'd even say they're not better under Boylan. The only success was Duhon's injury forcing Thabo to play.
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Jan 31, 2008 3:47 PM CST
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