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Open Game Thread #44: Bulls vs. Minnesota Timberwolves

[Thanks to wjb1942 for today's game preview. -Matt]

Everyone likes good news, right?  Well, part of the good news for the Bulls is that tonight's game is the front half of a home-and-home against the NBA team with the worst record , the Minnesota Timberwolves.  Just 8 and 35 on the season, 2 and 21 on the road, the Wolves have been struggling in the post-KG rebuilding era, as most expected.  The other good news of late for the Bulls is that, in the absence of Luol Deng and Ben Gordon, Kirk Hinrich seems to have found some offense, averaging 26.7 points on 53.3% shooting over the past 3 games.  

Now the bad news.  For starters, the Bulls aren't very healthy right now.  Lu will sit out again with the bad Achilles, and BG reportedly will be a game time decision but didn't sound too hopeful of playing tonight with that wrist sprain.  Then there's C-Du's knee bruise: can't play with it, can't play without it.  After giving it a go for a couple of games, Du has decided he came back too soon.  Normally that wouldn't concern me much, but with the other injuries?  How does A-Drain match up against the Wolves, anyway?  And Joe Smith has knee issues of his own, although he is likely to play. [reportedly Joe Smith is out as well. -Matt]

Chicago is currently tied for 10th place in the East, but just a game out of the last playoff spot due to the equal mediocrity of the teams surrounding them in the standings.  While the Bulls haven't exactly been lighting it up this season, they're coming off a particularly ugly four game stretch, with losses to the Grizzlies, Bobcats and Suns by an average margin of -12.7, with the lone win over the Indiana Pacers.  In those four games, the Bulls shot 38.8% as a team (only 35.8% if you exclude the suddenly hot Kirk from that), while allowing their opponents to shoot 45.1%.  While it's tempting to blame the offensive struggles on the injuries to Lu and BG, the Bulls have been offensively-challenged all year.  In comparison, the Wolves have been hot over their last four, earning wins over Golden State, Phoenix and New Jersey, with only a 1-point loss to Boston at Boston to mar the streak.

In other words, this has got to be the worst possible time to face the Wolves.  Accuscore has the Bulls with the win, based on their forecast of the Bulls shooting 45% tonight.  Hey, it happened in the Indiana game, so stop your laughing.  Seriously, this should be a much tougher game than the Wolves' overall record would indicate, and we're all much too aware of the Bulls' incredible ability to lose games this year.  I'll be watching it and cheering the team on anyway, so here's to hoping for a big win in the last home game before a long road trip.

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ugh
"Chris Duhon said he may play despite his bruised left knee."

I can picture Boylan begging Duhon to suit up and 'give him confidence'.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 29, 2008 4:26 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

That'll teach me to do the game thread early
Sorry for the inaccuracies, everyone.  Bummer about Joe's flu (assuming that's part of Du's trying to go) - I think I'd rather have a gimpy Joe Smith than a gimpy Du.
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Jan 29, 2008 4:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

TT should see a lot of action
I know that'll make a lot of people happy.  Who's he match up against, Gomes?
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 29, 2008 4:34 PM CST   0 recs

BG B in?
Im hoping ben gordon plays today. I was at the sunday game at pheonix, and i thought the bulls were doing pretty well, actually no, i know hinrich was doing really well in carrying the team, yet of course he is just one man. In fact the game really became lost at the 3rd, when boylan decided to sit out hinrich (hinrich was tired, it showed) and put duhon in, and thus the game went bye bye.

However, more so i thought if gordon was there the bulls would have won. I mean the suns arent known for thier defense, and especially in that third when hinrich was out, having someone who scores, not simply chucks (im looking at you noch) would have been nice. Ive always thought that when hinrich and gordon play good, this team cant be beat, and it has yet to happen this year. If gordon is here tonight, im hoping hinrich doesnt go into pass(ive) mode tonight and remembers his plus 30 games of late. Heres a nice article that i found online, i say this alot but...good read: http://bulls.realgm.com/articles/24/20080128/with_hinrich_back_on_track_bulls_can_do_some_damage/

im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Jan 29, 2008 4:42 PM CST   0 recs

I always have a problem
when they don't get the facts right.  Hinrich is in his 5th season, not his 6th.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 29, 2008 5:00 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

we can wish
It would be nice if he was already in his 6th year.  Trading him would be easier.

by NBA Observer on Jan 29, 2008 5:18 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

i'm thinking
a couple of back to back losses to the wolves could be the end for some Bulls players.  Let's hope it doesn't come to that
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 29, 2008 4:42 PM CST   0 recs

i dont think
they'll trade to rebuild, but they'll trade to become better....Hopefully
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 29, 2008 4:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

If we lose to an eight win T-Wolves
team, it's time to start donning a paper bag.

Seriously.

I don't care if the entire team was playing with one leg. I don't care if our line-up consisted of Gray, Griffin, Nichols, Viktor, and Jameson. I don't care if we were coached by Tim Floyd's chubby little cankle.  I don't care if Marcus Fizer came out of retirement and brought a gimpy J-Will on a mini-moped with him. There is no excuse for losing to this Minnesota club.

If, at any pont during tonight's game, we are losing by more than five, I will boo.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 29, 2008 4:57 PM CST   0 recs

Miinie's been good lately
as stated. They'll be doing okay to get one of these two, IMO.

by marionette on Jan 29, 2008 5:10 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Boo for me
too.  

by Freethefro on Jan 29, 2008 5:12 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Even the horribulls beat the Lakers
When they were defending champs.

by NBA Observer on Jan 29, 2008 5:19 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, that still doesn't convince me that
it's acceptable to lose to an 8-35 team. 8-35!
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 29, 2008 5:38 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

For a good team a loss would be a fluke...
for the Bulls it is just another day at work. We don't have enough cushion to in our W/L to blow a game like this even if the T'Wolves are having a good run.

by cranscape on Jan 29, 2008 7:00 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

GOOD NEWS!
Garnett's out with a strained abdomen!!!!!

Wait...

Let the kids play!

by cubbybear on Jan 29, 2008 5:03 PM CST   0 recs

Noah starts tonight
and Wallace gets benched. WOO HOO!!!!
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 29, 2008 6:00 PM CST   0 recs

You have to be kidding!?
Please tell me you heard or read this somewhere Sue

by Option27 on Jan 29, 2008 6:07 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

They just
announced it on CTL on Comcast. Isn't it great news? I'm so excited.
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 29, 2008 6:08 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Starting five
Noah, Noce, Thabo, Kirk...

Smith is playing?

by Jesse07 on Jan 29, 2008 6:09 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

are you sure
BW is benched, or is Noah just starting next to him?
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 29, 2008 6:09 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

We finally
have confirmation that Boylan actually reads the stat sheet after the games.

by No bull on Jan 29, 2008 6:11 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Probably the latter, with Smith and
Deng out.

They'll move Wallace to the four and Noce to the three.  

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 29, 2008 6:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

They just said that
Wallace is starting at PF since Smith is out. Sorry that they said Wallace was benched the first time. Now I'm not so excited.
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 29, 2008 6:17 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Ha
I knew it was too good to be true but Noah starting is def good!

by Option27 on Jan 29, 2008 6:18 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Yes it is.
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 29, 2008 6:21 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

The other problem is Thabo's abd strain
This doesn't go away except with rest.

by chgobr on Jan 29, 2008 6:33 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I know and it
is very painful too. I don't know how he has been able to play. They just talked to Kerry Sayers from the UC and she said BG would be a game time decision and Duhon had said he would play if needed. :-(
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 29, 2008 6:39 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I heard it too.
You are not hallucinating.  Once again they made us get excited just to pull the rug out (last week it was TT I think).  CSN is playing dirty.  Or Wallace threw a fit before the game.  Or Noah pissed someone off.  Or Boylan has a split personality.  

by cranscape on Jan 29, 2008 7:03 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Probably
just miscommunication.
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 29, 2008 7:09 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

If Wallace were indeed benched
then tonight would rank as the #1 non-title, non-Finals, non-playoff, non-playoff clinching, non-division clinching, non-conference clinching, non-draft pick improving victory in Bulls history.  Or at least in the top ten.  Assuming the Bulls win that is.

And I think McHale should get some slack for taking what looks like was the second best offer for KG.  He turned down the best offer when he could have obtained the exact same package plus the #5 pick, missing his opportunity to pair his youngsters with a Noah.  Al Jefferson is better than the Bulls impressive offer of Deng, Chandler, and Thomas, if that even was offered.  I know you couldn't pry Al Jeff from Minnesota if you offered McHale that same package today.  Just imagine what that team would be today had McHale not dealt Brandon Roy for Randy Foye.

Tonight is still a must-win game.  A playoff appearance is not wasted if the young guys are able to develop into signficant contributors by season's end.  That will be a different team than we see today and that we've been accustomed to seeing, and coupled with our existing core, or whatever assets they may bring in a trade, the Bulls could be a newly dangerous team come playoff time, if they can just get in.  

by messwiththebull on Jan 29, 2008 6:46 PM CST   0 recs

You know what, tonight IS A MUST-WIN
Unless they go on a winning streak right after this. Or if they go 8-2 in the next 10, 7-2 in the next 9, or 15-5 in the next 20. How do you determine a must-win,actually?
"Glen Davis??? wow!! We had Glen Davis, his name is Michael Sweetney" - tyrus4prez

by NittanyBull on Jan 29, 2008 6:50 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Must win
The T-Wolves are still a team the Bulls are favored to defeat, so it appears that the Bulls have a high probability of winning this game.  The Bulls overall probability of winning is very low so they must take advantage of opportunities like tonight, otherwise their probability of winning in the future decreases, exacerbating their current downward spiral.  Tonight is a must-win because there is no other opponent in the league that presents the Bulls with a higher probability of winning.  Add to the fact the Bulls are at home and this should add to their advantage.  This is all discounted by the rash of signficant injuries, however, but this is still the best chance for the Bulls to win a game, therefore they must.  This loss in particular would have a compounding effect.  

by messwiththebull on Jan 29, 2008 7:30 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Gordon not out for
Warm-ups. No sign of him.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 29, 2008 7:21 PM CST   0 recs

Wow, Miami really sucks
They're shooting less than 25% from the field, by Ragin' Cajun Rondo nonetheless
"Glen Davis??? wow!! We had Glen Davis, his name is Michael Sweetney" - tyrus4prez

by NittanyBull on Jan 29, 2008 7:25 PM CST   0 recs

and being manhandled by*
"Glen Davis??? wow!! We had Glen Davis, his name is Michael Sweetney" - tyrus4prez

by NittanyBull on Jan 29, 2008 7:26 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Deja vu all over again
According to ComCast:
Coming into tonight, the T-wolves have just TWO road wins this year.

Last time I heard that stat from a team playing the Bulls in the UC, it was the Knicks....and we all know how well THAT turned out.

So that, coupled with the Wolves winning 3 of their last 4 -
Not to mention the Bulls being without almost their entire "core"...

The word yikes comes to mind.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 29, 2008 7:29 PM CST   0 recs

I don't see Duhon either
Maybe he and Gordon are getting treatment in the locker room.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 29, 2008 7:30 PM CST   0 recs

noah...
starting?

finally, a bulls game i'd like to go out of my way to see... unfortunately i'm in atlanta this week so i'm relegated to watching the hawks/suns game... yippee.

i hope noah comes thru with 18/10, and thomas gets some solid minutes for a double double.

kirk's recent production is interesting in that it shows that he can be a scoring guard when needed, which brings into question gordon's importance to this team next year as a cap gobbling undersized defensive and dribbling liability at shooting guard (CGUDADLASG for short).  in an ideal world, we could unload ben and ben for a player like kidd this year.  kidd's making about $20m for 1.5 more years, but his production and leadership could get this team kickstarted again.  this is not saying the nets would even want ben and ben... they already have a rebounding center who can't shoot free throws, and a shooting guard who doesn't give a damn.

go bulls.

by leeac on Jan 29, 2008 7:34 PM CST   0 recs

I don't really see the point in getting Kidd
This team is so far away at this moment that he'll be old and retired before the young guys are ready to step up and go somewhere.

by BoxingHideout on Jan 29, 2008 7:37 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

how about...
...if it meant seeing less of duhon?

by leeac on Jan 29, 2008 7:39 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Well now...
you're starting to convince me.

by BoxingHideout on Jan 29, 2008 7:41 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

du and bg both in street clothes
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 29, 2008 7:40 PM CST   0 recs

Kidd would accelerate the growth of our bigs.
Imagine the easy buckets Ty and Noah would get.  It would have such a boosting effect like Chris Paul has had for Tyson Chandler.  This is why they Bulls lack of a playmaking PG, one who can create and make teammates better, is as fatal a flaw as is their lack of post scoring.

by messwiththebull on Jan 29, 2008 7:42 PM CST   0 recs

Noah is playing good
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 29, 2008 7:48 PM CST   0 recs

Only two guys on the floor
are Noah and Thabo...
or so it seems...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 29, 2008 7:48 PM CST   0 recs

And Noc shooting
50% from downtown.1 of 2!:-)
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 29, 2008 7:50 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

he
also might help the games be a 'tad' more exciting.

by leeac on Jan 29, 2008 7:48 PM CST   0 recs

oops,
was referring to the kidd comment above...

by leeac on Jan 29, 2008 7:50 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Noah and Thabo
should be regular starters, not fillers

They're proving it too

by Option27 on Jan 29, 2008 7:50 PM CST   0 recs

On one condition
Noah should never take jumpshots.
That was ugly.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 29, 2008 7:54 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

have...
you seen our starting power forward take a jumpshot recently?...

by leeac on Jan 29, 2008 7:56 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Oh man
You got me with this :-)
Neither one should even think about jumpshots.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 29, 2008 7:59 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

And our starting forward misses
his "jumper" with about 17 sec. remaning for attack.Hmmmm....
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 29, 2008 8:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Noc got a "hot hand" today?
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 29, 2008 7:55 PM CST   0 recs

A-drain instead of TT
Ahhhh
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 29, 2008 8:00 PM CST   0 recs

have i mentioned
i hate Griffin
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 29, 2008 8:00 PM CST   0 recs

Do you?
Why?????For his Calming effect?:-)
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 29, 2008 8:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

God, Wallace sucks
Everything comes to a halt when it's passed to him. They were passing smoothly around the arc, then Wallace gets control and flicks a turn-around jumper to the backboard
"Glen Davis??? wow!! We had Glen Davis, his name is Michael Sweetney" - tyrus4prez

by NittanyBull on Jan 29, 2008 8:02 PM CST   0 recs

If the Bulld could
Possibly get anything for a combo of Duhon, Griffin, Wallace and Victor...I'd be so freaking happy!

by Option27 on Jan 29, 2008 8:05 PM CST   0 recs

Griffs' biggest achivement so far:
defencive 3 seconds violation.
He is very calming.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 29, 2008 8:11 PM CST   0 recs

In defense of AG
He did clear the paint after 2 seconds.  He knew where he was on the floor.  If you watch it again he was stepping in, cheating for 2 seconds, and then clearing.

The ref blew the call because he wasn't watching AG clear his feet.

In my notes I wrote if it would be good for players to talk to the refs about clearing their feet.  Sometimes the clears are so quick it is very easy for the refs to miss it.

by NBA Observer on Jan 30, 2008 8:24 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Tyrus
showing some confidence with the shot, half-way in
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 29, 2008 8:12 PM CST   0 recs

To anyone who thinks Stacey King
could be a good coach in the NBA . .

"I think Gerald Green could become a superstar in this league"

Ummm, Ok Stacey . . .

The kid could be good one day and maybe even a starter, but superstar? LOL

by Option27 on Jan 29, 2008 8:13 PM CST   0 recs

Superstars
Don't go to sleep after free throw attempt number two of two and fail to box out the free throw shooter.  Gerald Green has flashes, but he has so many stupid mistakes they clearly outweigh his gains.

It was reported that he wanted to be traded.  He needs to be traded or Telfair needs to be traded.  Green can't get minutes with Jaric playing SG and Telfair starting at PG.

by NBA Observer on Jan 30, 2008 8:26 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Minnesota deserves these useless piles of crap
for turning down Chandler and Deng for Garnett.

by RogersPark Kris on Jan 30, 2008 11:12 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Chandler + Deng + Thomas/Aldridge/Roy
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 30, 2008 12:10 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

did anyone
really give Griff a chance at that ball?
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 29, 2008 8:15 PM CST   0 recs

Man, our shooting sucks.
Sometimes watching this team I feel like when I'm watching my niece play T-ball - the game totally sucks, and I'm looking so hard for positive things to say to her.
Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Jan 29, 2008 8:16 PM CST   0 recs

so bad
Noc even misses on a two-handed slam dunk
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 29, 2008 8:21 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

noc vs. deng - 3pt shot
over the past 4 years, the comparison of 3pt attempts per game/ 3pt fg%:

noc:
2004 - 1.2/ 29%
2005 - 2.9/ 39%
2006 - 3.9/ 38%
2007 - 4.9/ 35%

deng:
2004 - 1.9/ 26%
2005 - 1.0/ 26%
2006 - 0.0/ 14%
2007 - 0.3/ 40%

deng is always commended for his good fg%, but he's a small forward that rarely steps outside the 3pt line.  in the past 3 years, you would think that he would have expanded his range to make himself more valuable by being able to spread the defenses.  it's actually the opposite in that it seems he has regressed.  he is an above average slasher and jump shooter, but until he can step out beyong the 3pt line, his true value as a small forward (or even a slow shooting guard matt) will never be realized on a teamwide level.

am i saying that noc is better than deng?  no, they are 2 different players that offer different skill sets at the 3.  but i hardly think noc is deserving of the perpetual thrashing he tends to receive here.  and if the deng supporters feel that noc is expendable, how about hearing an analysis on why deng can't shoot a three?  

i would still like to see deng put on 25 lbs and become a back to the basket/ slashing power forward....

by leeac on Jan 29, 2008 8:16 PM CST