The news that matters is no news

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 28, 2008 8:23 AM CST in News Comment 85 comments

Amongst other stories detailing yet another inept 4th quarter, or Chairman Reinsdorf's versions of the now-forgotten Skiles (I have, anyway), Mike McGraw is gathering all the info and saying don't expect much for the upcoming trade deadline.

McGraw speculates that Wallace is impossible to deal, Tyrus Thomas won't be given away, base-year players Nocioni and Hinrich are tough to trade, and adds the usual organizational nervousness with approaching the luxury tax. With a team this awful I can't blame Reinsdorf, but when Nocioni is listed as one of the prohibitive contracts, maybe that whole deal should be reconsidered.

And while Duhon and Khryapa (free Veektor!) are mentioned as possibly on the way out, not a single mention of Joe Smith? Or will Pax wait until Joe's knees give out before exploring the idea of dealing someone with value?

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Veekctor

Philly's paper is suggestions the Bulls trade Thabo & Veekctor for Kevin Ollie because of the Duhon injury. LOL

by Jesse07 on Jan 28, 2008 8:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I'm afraid

those are the kind of trades that are out there right now.

by KT on Jan 28, 2008 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm afraid Joe Smith's knees

have already given out.

As usual, the timid Paxson missed his window of opportunity, and now the team is left holding an empty bag.

by alec on Jan 28, 2008 8:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I've concluded this too

Has Pax ever once traded a guy when his value was peaking?

I realize that's a scary thing to do in the NBA (Stanley Pritchard made a stereotypical comment to that effect the other day - "Why would I trade when everything is going well?"), but it's not exactly hard to predict some of this stuff. Smith's got nowhere to go but down. This team needs help and getting a decent prospect out of him, be it a pick or a younger player... that's a sensible move.

by Sports2 on Jan 28, 2008 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Veektor could have been

a semi-valuable trading chip. Oh well. It's a shame he didn't play the floor slapping game with Skiles and Paxson. Nocioni and Duhon growled and drooled their way into minutes and contracts. I'd hate to see the Bulls lose Duhon for nothing!

Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Jan 28, 2008 8:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Losing Duhon

for nothing doesn't really bother me. He was a very good 2nd round pick. I was excited when we drafted him, but he doesn't fit this Bull's team anymore with their current backcourt. I wish him the best, elsewhere.

by Jesse07 on Jan 28, 2008 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

As an expiring contract...

Duhon is just a minutes per game waste. He can't fit with the team when we already have small guards Hinrich and Gordon. He's taking Thabo's minutes which will either yield far more production or far higher trade value.

by NBA Observer on Jan 28, 2008 9:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I was joking

Is it possible to figure out the benefits of trading Duhon for garbage v. letting him leave via free agency? This isn't even a "Duhon sucks" comment, he just isn't worth anything. He'd likely go for another expiring contract, and the money comes off the books either way.

Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Jan 28, 2008 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

RE: Veektor could have been

He's still semi-valuable in that his $2 mil deal expiring deal can be used to make the numbers work in a trade - assuming Pax has the stones to make one.

I don't think Khrappy's value to the team has changed since they acquired him. He was trade filler on draft night, he's trade filler now. The greatest contribution he'll ever make to this team is if his salary helps facilitate a nice deal for the Bulls.

"You guys won today. You guys won yesterday, so that's two in a row. If you win again tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE."

by Jobu on Jan 28, 2008 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Correction

Just to be clear: Viktor's greatest contribution to the team was his ability to lock down LeBron when the Bulls played the Cavs late last season.

Oh, wait...

by paxson43 on Jan 28, 2008 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The more i think of possible trades the less

options I see. I want to rid us of the corpse but according to Mike McGraw

Some might argue that the Bulls should move Wallace at their earliest possible convenience. While that probably could be done, the Bulls almost certainly would have to take a more expensive contract back in return.

History has proven that it's usually better to let an unwanted contract expire than to trade it for another team's mistake.

We may be best waiting and hoping for a decent draft pick. This is depressing. The other problem we have now is the thinning our our guards. Minn is playing well and we could end up losing the next two games. At that point we will need a diary to restore my sanity.

by chgobr on Jan 28, 2008 10:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

When I saw that

my first thought was that he'd never get away with that namby-pamby b.s. on Blogabull.

Let's see some of that history, Mike.

by alec on Jan 28, 2008 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

trade the pick too

there's no way the Bulls lose enough to get a worthwhile player, at least one good enough to be anything different than the undeveloped players they already have. It should be shopped.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 28, 2008 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

RE:trade the pick too

***As long as it's Top 3 Protected.

If the Bulls get swept by the T'Pupps this week...I..(gulp)...don't know if I could deal with that.

"You guys won today. You guys won yesterday, so that's two in a row. If you win again tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE."

by Jobu on Jan 28, 2008 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Al Jefferson can't guard anyone

Too bad Ben Wallace has no offense. I wouldn't mind seeing Aaron Gray out there trying to limit Jefferson. Ben Wallace just won't give us anything to exploit perhaps the worst starting defensive power forward in the NBA.

by NBA Observer on Jan 28, 2008 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No offense?

But Wallace's turnaround J has been looking really sharp lately!

There's nothing quite as exciting as the ball in his hands on the block with 4 seconds to go on the shot clock.....:)

"You guys won today. You guys won yesterday, so that's two in a row. If you win again tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE."

by Jobu on Jan 28, 2008 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the most exciting play in basketball

Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Jan 28, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Aaron Gray to limit* Jefferson?

limit = foul

Wallace handled Jefferson pretty well last season, because unlike most post players Jefferson isn't much taller than Wallace. But yeah, Wallace's offense is so far removed he can barely be used anymore without killing the team.

but it's not really worth discussing, as Wallace starts and will get a lot of minutes. However, Minnesota has no tall centers, so it's possible that this will be a game where Boylan sits Wallace more. I'm guessing that facing both Okafor and Mohammed in tandem was Boylan's reasoning for playing Wallace so much on Friday. Or he just wanted to give Ben a smile.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 28, 2008 11:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oh, and more on Aaron Gray

I firmly believe that the only reason Gray got minutes against the Suns is because the lame Chicago media keeps asking him "where's Aaron Gray?"

So he comes in against a running team and gets 3 fouls. big surprise.

Gray should really sit against Minnesota too. He's a matchup player at best (I know others uses the same logic with Noah&Tyrus, but I don't)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 28, 2008 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that was poorly worded

by 'asking him' I mean asking Boylan. This is meant to be a rant on Boylan's feel-goodyness.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 28, 2008 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Do you think the players wonder

who their coach is? Is he the nice guy? The angry guy? The positive guy? The negative guy?

From the Sun-Times: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/762315,CST-SPT-bullnt28.article

"''You try to use all ways to get through to them,'' he said. ''You stomp your foot. You scream and yell. You put your arm around them. You show them tape. You talk about it. You ask the players to talk about it. Talk about what we need to do and how we need to go about things; the problems we have, the reasons we have success."

Spoken like a man who doesn't even know who he is himself.

by alec on Jan 28, 2008 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

spoken like a man

who coaches a bunch of guys who have already given up on the season.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 28, 2008 11:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

More like a coach

who does not have the horses to win the race.

I'm not saying Boylan should be the Bulls coach in the future, but I don't care who you had coaching these guys, it would not matter.

You could have the 'Zen Master' being possessed by the ghost of Red Auerbach and this steam would still being being struggling for the 8th spot.

by RogersPark Kris on Jan 28, 2008 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, I need an edit button

'steam' should be 'team' and 'being being' should just be 'be'

by RogersPark Kris on Jan 28, 2008 11:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Was Skiles channeling Jesus last year?

Because I can't figure out how essentially the same squad made the playoffs last year with the third best record and best point differential in the East. Obviously, Skiles was performing some miracles on these lame horses.

by snley on Jan 28, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Other than Ben Wallace

I really don't think that "effort" (or lack there of) is the Bulls biggest problem.

They look like a team that has no confidence in what they're doing. They look confused.

Something else I wonder about is whether they are playing a style that suits their talents.

Now please don't take this simply as an easy opportunity to fire on Van Lier, but he constantly says they're running the wrong system. What does he mean? What does he--or you, or anyone here--think the Bulls should be running?

by alec on Jan 28, 2008 12:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know what Norm wants to run, but

I've thought before the season even started that the team would need to shift to an inside out game. For the current roster to reach it's potential. The Bulls have to committ to Thomas and Noah and let them create instead of Hinrich and Gordon. The offense needs to be able to run through them in the post so that the team can take advantage of their passing ability. The team can do similar things with Deng, Sefolosha, and Gray if they have an advantage in the post. Instead of splitting double traps and turning it over in the process, Hinrich and Gordon will be on the recieving end of passes. It might be a huge failure. Thomas and Noah both have to improve with their increased playing time and role, but it's the only way this team has a chance of getting really good. No trade is going to be able to fix this team. This season is why I was upset with Smith's signing and Paxson's failure to unload Duhon. Paxson needed to give Skiles less options, not more. Smith and Duhon simply gave the coaches a way to avoid doing what ultimately has to be done if this team is going to be a championship contender. Every minute Duhon, Smith, and unfortunately Ben Wallace plays is largely simply a waste of time.

by Scotter on Jan 28, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The first game they played well

under Boylan, they did feature an inside passing game. I remember Kendall Gill talking about how well it worked. Noah was the primary passer that game.

I was expecting to see more of it the next game, but I'm still waiting.

I'm wonder if, in order for this type of game to work, the big guys have to believe they'll get the ball back at least sometimes...not just constantly be giving it up for the perimiter guys to fire at will.

I've been looking at the shot chart during the game on nba gamecast, and it seems that nearly every shot is some sort of outside jump shot.

by alec on Jan 28, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

77 points against the Suns

That's why I need to see more Gray IF he can limit Jefferson. Without Deng and Gordon the team's scoring, even against high scoring teams like the Suns, is plummeting.

This is how the corpse can grab 5 boards, 2 points, in 8 first quarter minutes and still have a -6 +- rating. It's going to look really ugly in the next two games if we don't get front court scoring.

by NBA Observer on Jan 28, 2008 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wallace would not even wanna be here

By the time his contract expires..LOL

He won't be getting more than 20 min a game

by Option27 on Jan 28, 2008 10:52 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

If there's no trades

sniff...we have to deal with these guys for the rest of the season? And the next?

by Freethefro on Jan 28, 2008 11:42 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

We have reached the worse case scenario

The team looks so bad right now that the 2nd tier players have no value and the best players are injured. And to think that KG and/or Kobe were even in sight last year. Unbelievable

by California Al on Jan 28, 2008 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

We're in real trouble

Gordon: Declined contract extension. Regressing statistically on offense, looks even worse defensively this season. Injured.

Deng: Declined contract extension. Moot movement statistically on offense, defense hasn't looked any better. Injured.

Hinrich: New contract began this season. Regressed offensively and defensively. New injuries appearing.

Wallace: Offense never was there, but appears to have declined even in the dunk and layup category. Injuries this season. 28.5 mil remaining after this season.

Through 43 games...
2006-07: 24-19
2007-08: 17-26

by NBA Observer on Jan 28, 2008 12:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

at least

they didn't sign the contract extensions.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 28, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You know, even though people keep talking

about the players regressing, as if it's some permanent trend, it's just as likely that they're having a subpar year and will rebound from it next year, possibly in the second half. Kirk's actually been shooting it well and had a great A/TO ratio over the past couple of months - it's just that his November was SO incredibly bad that it's taking a long time for the season-long stats to recover. BG has also been much better since November. I asked Hollinger about the possibility of ever getting PER splits so we could see stuff like that in terms of PER, but I never heard back. Still, you can easily see it in the splits for regular stats.

This obviously doesn't mean that the flaws they've had all along will magically disappear, or make the season any more palatable, or change the fact that Wallace is on his last legs. But, as far as Kirk, Lu and BG go, not to mention the kids, I haven't given up on any of them. The team likely needs restructured a bit if they want to win now (as opposed to waiting on the kids to develop), but I just totally disagree with all of the scrap-it-all-this-isn't-working and make-a-crappy-trade-just-to-do-something talk. We'll just all be back here in the next couple of seasons talking about how great Kirk or BG or Lu look elsewhere and lamenting the fact that Pax let them go.

Maybe I'll take up hockey.

by wjb1492 on Jan 28, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree.

Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 28, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's the defense for me

The offense I can expect to have its flaws. We knew about these things. But our defensive strength is basically non-existent this season. Opponents FG% is still decent, but opponents 3pt% is among the worst in the league. This is a sign of slow rotation, poor rotation, and defending the pick and roll/pick and pop like it's the first time we've seen this offense before.

by NBA Observer on Jan 28, 2008 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They couldn't

defend the three last year either. That's not anything new this year.

Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 28, 2008 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Incorrect

06-07 Difference +.039
Bulls 3pt .388, att 15 per game
Opp 3pt .349, att 17 per game

07-08 Difference -.037
Bulls 3pt .339, att 16
Opp 3pt .376, att 18.5

Year shift from 06/07 to 07/08
Bulls -.049
Opp +.027

by NBA Observer on Jan 28, 2008 4:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If traded

and Kirk or BG or Lu look better elsewhere? Then it's probably because another team (GM/Coaches) knew better how to utilized their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. Actually, it might be a better move for them professionally? Former Bulls players with a higher value since leaving the team: Tyson Chandler, even Jamal is the most valued NYK, Lamarcus (Blazers), etc.etc.

I've lost faith in believing anything good will ever come from Paxson's strategy for this team.

by exult463 on Jan 28, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I feel the same way

when seeing your username on the comment label.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 28, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Come on .. Matt

I tolerated you during the Noc signing. Actually Noc has been my favorite player for the last three years because there isn't a shot from any location on the court that he doesn't like. Noc comes out firing under any circumstances. He'll miss a lot, but he'll also hit a few big ones (FG%.436). A real Bull.

by exult463 on Jan 28, 2008 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Its a bit of a stretch to

call Aldridge a "former bull."

by JeffD on Jan 28, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

especially when you leave out

Chris Mihm. But nobody every accused exult of being thorough.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 28, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

*ever

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 28, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

*EVER

Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Jan 28, 2008 6:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No problem, Exult.

Bullshooter should know that thoroughness and consistency are mutually exclusive. You can only be one or the other, not both...and generally, consistency is regarded as a higher state.

by alec on Jan 28, 2008 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

have you got a link to that?

because I didn't pull that message out of your last one.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 28, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's a, well, ah,

maybe we could call it a corollary of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem.

(Substituting "complete" for "thorough" would make it true.) :)

by alec on Jan 28, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I am happy to read that

management won't simply trade Tyrus to be rid of him.

That's somewhat reassuring, even though it is supposition.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 28, 2008 12:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I agree

especially since whatever 'sources' Boers&Bernstein (670AM) claim have them believe the organization wants Tyrus out ASAP.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 28, 2008 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I just love it

when those guys are wrong.

And Pax isn't their source, that's for sure. He hasn't been on their show in over a year, and he does everyone else.

by KT on Jan 28, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

There'd be no

point in trading Du or Veek because they wont bring anything that can't be found in the D-league for a ten day-er. Just because McGraw doesn't mention deals for Smith doesn't mean Pax isn't considering it so that can get toned down anytime now.
Pax will never hold the upper hand in trade talks again with any of these guys. He missed that boat and we're paying the price for it right now.

Sucking chest wound? Bench Wallace and start Noah

by Rusty LaRue on Jan 28, 2008 1:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I know Pax doesn't make trades anymore . . .

But can he at least be bothered to sign a guard out of the D-League? Until Gordon comes back, the Bulls have three healthy guards on their roster: Hinrich (who's just coming back from an injury), Sefolosha, and Griffin (who's barely a guard to begin with, and shouldn't be playing anyways). That would be a better use of a roster spot right now than whatever the point of signing Nichols was supposed to be.

by Big D on Jan 28, 2008 1:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

You would think so

With Curry pissing and running Paxson could go down and sign a 10 day with Randy Livingston or Andre Barrett, both former Bulls are the top two assist men in the D-League.

This would make sense. But we're talking about John Paxson. I like Nichols, but I don't understand the signing at all.

by NBA Observer on Jan 28, 2008 1:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

probably because they are thinner

at sf than they are at guard.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 28, 2008 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't make much sense

Guard is 2 positions, sf is one. And since Boylan doesn't seem to have a problem putting Tyrus in at the 3 it makes even less sense to have another 3.

by Jaina on Jan 28, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

they'd have to cut someone from the team

since they have 15 players.

by KT on Jan 28, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey KT

did you check out that vacation brochure? It looked like they had a number of different locations to choose from. :)

by alec on Jan 28, 2008 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Our situation right now

is why I'm kinda pissed we waived Gardner and signed Nichols. We never needed Nichols. We'd need more injuries to the forwards than we have with the guards to need yet another 6'9 small forward.

by Jaina on Jan 28, 2008 1:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Gardner might be interesting about now.

by alec on Jan 28, 2008 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What would I do without the Sam Smith mailbag

Utah may be looking for a defensive-minded center. Chicago may be looking to move a corpse that once was defensive player of the year.

Wallace for Kirilenko?

I think both guys need a change of scenery, and there's no player on the Bulls' roster who I wanna see moved more than Wallace.

Pax could do it if he sells Wallace the right way; an experienced veteran who has a ring and might show new life on a winning team. Utah has dealt with AK-47's grumblings for a couple of seasons, and now they could trade Kirilenko for someone who can (conceivably) guard the likes of Tim Duncan and Amare Stoudemire. And Kirilenko has shown some vital signs on the offensive end of the floor, maybe he can do it again in Chicago. Put AK at the 4 and move Noah into the 5.

Anyone else on board?

by ForWhomTheBullTolls on Jan 28, 2008 2:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

please link and quote

I have no idea which words are yours and which are Sam's (if any)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 28, 2008 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

My bad

Sorry about that, I'm way behind with HTML. Here's the link. Scroll down, it's the second-to-last question. Aside from the idea the reader sent in, I don't think I used any quotes from the mailbag.

by ForWhomTheBullTolls on Jan 28, 2008 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

nope

Kirilenko's contract is longer, larger, and he doesn't solve any problems. Thomas, Smith, Nocioni, Noah, and Kirilenko at power forward? That's a bigger waste of resources than Wallace sucking at center until his contract expires.

Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Jan 28, 2008 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

AK is a really talented

multidimensional player, who seems to have a mutual hatred thing going on with Sloan. Don't know if Sloan would let him go, though. It might come across as rewarding AK's insouciance, and Sloan, I'm sure, would rather make him suffer.

Don't know what you'd do with him and Viktor...best buddies with corresponding horror stories...but also euroleague championship team mates. Would you have to give Viktor pt in order to make AK happy?

by alec on Jan 28, 2008 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

all nice things to say

about a tweener who turned to suck when better players took the ball out of his hands. The drop in blocks and rebounds aren't good signs either.

Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Jan 28, 2008 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Basically, he plays behind Boozer,

who is sometimes in the conversation for league mvp. That's not exactly a reason to condemn the guy. If Wallace for AK works, I'd be delighted.

As to your above comment--he shouldn't take minutes from Noah, as Noah would become the full-time center; Smith is a non-factor; he's much better than Noc; there could be some fall-out with Tyrus, but I'll trade that potential fall-out for no Wallace any day.

by alec on Jan 28, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

basically, he plays small forward

Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Jan 28, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Then what was your comment up above??

I thought he was always listed as a power forward.

by alec on Jan 28, 2008 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He's started the past 3 1/2 years...

...w/ Boozer and Okur.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 28, 2008 3:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

AK is still a tweener

and he won't play SF for the Bulls.

Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Jan 28, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If he's a tweener

at the same positions Noc is a tweener, and he can be had in some sort of switch for Ben Wallace--why not? We could Noc in some kind of a deal for someone else.

I guess he adds a couple years of high payments, which could be harmful...but even so, replacing Wallace with AK is a huge upgrade.

by alec on Jan 28, 2008 5:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Part of the reason for getting rid of Wallace...

...is that it is gives minutes to Noah and Tyrus. AK was once what I hope Thomas can be... w/ more rebounds and fewer threes, of course.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 28, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Keep his strengths

If he defends Duncan and Amare well why mention that you're trading him to the East Mr. Smith?

Next?

How can we send Wallace to Seattle? Would we take Wilcox and change?

by NBA Observer on Jan 28, 2008 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sene, wilcox, collison

'the BaB oddly-coveted all-star team'

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 28, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I am with you!

It is not my money but Kirilenko has a horrible contract through 2010-2011. $13.7, $15.08, $16.45, and $17.82. Utah save almost $20 on the deal. This may make it difficult to sign Deng and Gordon. Oh the thought of getting rid of the corpse still over-rides my concerns.

by chgobr on Jan 28, 2008 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Isn't AK reputed to be

about the moodiest player in the league? The happy, sad, cajoling, demanding Boylan may be perfect to coach him.

by alec on Jan 28, 2008 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

A trade made in Boylan heaven.

by chgobr on Jan 28, 2008 2:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Kirilenko may not be everyone's ideal,

but he's young and talented. He's someone most every NBA team would like to add to their roster, which can't be said of Wallace now. Seems to me this trade would be a major coup for Pax and Bull fans, despite the extra $20M. Unless you believe Wallace's expiring $ in 2010 can be turned into LBJ, or some such.

Don't know how much more Big Ben would enjoy playing for Sloan than AK did, though.

by marionette on Jan 29, 2008 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Here's what I wrote several days ago

Looks like McGraw agrees.

Thirdly, as to trades, I think the following constraints apply.

We wont trade base compensation year players, which means Hinrich and Noc are not available until this Summer.

We won't trade Gordon and/or Deng until we can do a sign and trade because that is the only way we will be able to get adequate value in return. That can't happen until this Summer. If we sign Gordon/Deng this Summer we won't trade them until they come off their BCY.

If we do include Hinrich, Noc, Deng, Gordon in a trade between now and the trading deadline it will be combined with a contract we don't want, ie, Wallace.

These are the only ways we can receive value back in a trade. Imho.

by hlac on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 02:31:36 PM EDT

by hlac on Jan 28, 2008 2:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs