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Open Game Thread #42: Bulls vs Charlotte Bobcats - Midseason Grades Edition!!!

Luol, Duh out. Gordon likely out.

I have a bad feeling about this one. For one thing, the Bulls aren't good at playing basketball. Secondly...actually they're all just derivatives of the first thing. They won a game shorthanded, and I'm not liking the odds of winning two. But at the least knowing that it hinges on the likes of Thabo and Noah makes things interesting.

In honor of the second half of the season, I'll contribute my version of the time-honored ritual: grades.

Star-divide

(Here's John Jackson's assessment, which was the inspiration):

Kirk Hinrich - D: Just completely abysmal until recently. Being a 'shy' captain exemplifies lame demeanor of entire team.

Ben Gordon - C-minus: Extra points for not throwing a shit fit when asked to go to the bench for no reason. I know I threw one.

Luol Deng - C: I'm hoping that his injuries explain away his lack of development as a player since last season. Although he seems willing to try some wrinkles in his game this year, so far it's not working. Like making layups.

Ben Wallace - F-minus-minus-minus-minus: Is no longer a dominant defensive rebounder,  and whatever offense he once had has now completely disappeared, as 34.7% from the field, for an interior player, is a monumentally bad season. Bonus negative points for quitting on Skiles, and just quitting in most games. Even more negative points for being the pollster of the Bulls caucus.

Joe Smith - A: Joe Smith has ruled, and despite playing unreasonably heavy minutes, hasn't broken down. It'll be great if that's parlayed into a trade.

Andres Nocioni - C-plus: Probably could get a B, but watching him just pisses me off. Reading the constant glowing remarks about him makes things even worse.

Chris Duhon - F: I'll miss making fun of him when he's gone. To Greece.

Tyrus Thomas - C-plus: He's been completely misused, but that said, his per-minute numbers aren't as good as last year, either. Actually...nearly everything is except his FG%, and he's bizarrely missing dunks (jumper does look better) and committing goaltends. However, if it's a protest against his inept development structure, then A-plus.

Joakim Noah - A-plus: One of the best rookies in the league, one of the best players overall on the team. It's been known a while, but now it's getting re-told as if the veteran shenanigans actually spurred Noah on.

Thabo Sefolosha - C-minus: He's had a handful of good games, but has mostly been garbage this season, whether it was Skiles' fault or not. Negative points for being a test case against young players. (at least a case for those who group underperforming youngins with those who do perform, for no real reason)

Aaron Gray - B-minus: Good for a big, slow...did I mention big? Almost gets the same negative points Noc gets for unreasonable adoration.

Viktor Khryapa - A: No explanation needed.

Adrian Griffin - F: For every rolling hook shot Griffin takes, a baby panda gets decapitated. And he's a piece of crap for the Noah thing. And hypnotizing Pax into a 3-year guaranteed contract.

JamesOn Curry - P

Demetris Nichols - A: I think he had a foul in his minute of action. Nice work.

Bonus grades that Jackson forgot:

Skiles - F

Boylan - F-minus-minus-minus-minus-minus-minus-minus: with more negative points for every postgame interview

Pax - incomplete:  Not sure we have a GM

Matt - C-plus: outsourcing game previews, getting into fights with moron commenters, failing to update links section for quite a while. On the positive side, the righteous anger makes the words flow. And that stretch where I started booting out commenters was pretty fun and a boost to the site. (hmmmm)

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Pretty much agree
with all said above
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 6:56 PM CST   0 recs

With the exception
of Thabo's grade...
I think he's actually a solid player with his ball handling and passing.

The points will increase as his minutes increase.
He is smooth - and his court presence is better than just about anyone in the "core" group.

I'm sure there are debates soon to fly about this - but it's just my opinion.

It is NOT, nor do I STATE it as, the end all to what Thabo is.
...it is just my humble opinion.  

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 7:03 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

The team really needs to win tonight.
They have to begin dominating the inferior opponents on their schedule if there is any hope of a playoff run.

I have an inkling that Tyrus and Noah will have good games.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 25, 2008 7:01 PM CST   0 recs

Jesus H. Christ!
Jim Boylan's an idiot:
"He's rebounding the ball, playing with his energy," coach Jim Boylan said. "That's what he does. I don't think any sort of controversy is going to affect that.

"I think the controversy maybe motivated him a little bit, spurred him on. Sometimes when you go through those things, when you get through it, you get out the other side of it, you're a little bit better than when you went in."

Does he ever have anything original or meaningful to say?

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 25, 2008 7:10 PM CST   0 recs

I hope they
play like they did Wed. night. Let's see two nice games in a row.
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 25, 2008 7:17 PM CST   0 recs

Be nice if Lt. Kirk
played like the PG he's supposed to be again...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 7:27 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

yeah, he spent too much time
trying to get a triple double last game, especially scoring.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 25, 2008 7:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

nothing wrong with his scoring
what's your point?
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 7:39 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Yeah especially
since everyone else has been playing so damn well. Your criticisms get old fast.
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 25, 2008 8:41 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Wouldn't it be great....
if the bulls actually used this turn-back-the-clock version of Joe Smith and made a nice mid-season trade?  Somehow I think they will take this renaissance and treat it like a revival, holding onto Joe Smith for dear life and running him into the ground.
Why don't you crack an egg of knowledge all over me, buddy.

by MarketMaker on Jan 25, 2008 7:26 PM CST   0 recs

If you find something...
...feel like letting me know? ;p
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 25, 2008 7:38 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Tyrus's FG%
has really suffered since Boylan took over, 28% in January.

by Scotter on Jan 25, 2008 7:34 PM CST   0 recs

I'm going to puke
I guess it was only a matter of time, and it's ugly.

Comcast using the "Star Trek" theme for background music hyping Hinbrick's shooting performance the other night.

Ohhh, ba-ru-ther....
 

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 7:35 PM CST   0 recs

It was meant as a joke.
I don't think it could be taken any other way.  I laughed at least.  

by cranscape on Jan 25, 2008 7:43 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

You're probably right
How COULD they be serious, eh?   LOL
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 7:48 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Ok, not looking so good so far.
At least it doesn't look like we have any shooters on the floor tonight.  At all.

by cranscape on Jan 25, 2008 7:46 PM CST   0 recs

Noc in true chuckalicious form.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 25, 2008 7:53 PM CST   0 recs

Whoa! Big ball. Two centers for CHA.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 25, 2008 7:56 PM CST   0 recs

Lokks like Joe Smith lost his shot
Time for Noah?
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2008 7:57 PM CST   0 recs

Looks
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2008 7:57 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

put TT in
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 25, 2008 7:57 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Either one would be good choice
over Smith.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2008 8:00 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

TT on the bench
and looking totally disinterested.
And Du comes in?

Nice to see Skiles...I mean...Boylan is still up to his assinine line ups...

ugh.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 8:04 PM CST   0 recs

Boylan heard me
TT is on the court!
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 8:07 PM CST   0 recs

Ahh
That sweet, silky stroke of Duhon makes me tingle

by gobulls1124 on Jan 25, 2008 8:09 PM CST   0 recs

Call time-out!!!
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2008 8:10 PM CST   0 recs

One of those GAMES
like Matt was talking about up top
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 8:12 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Noah has to learn how to dunk
He has to spend more time lifting weights.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2008 8:15 PM CST   0 recs

spend more time lifting weights.
His lack of working out last summer (at least at the Bulls facility) was apparently what got the coaches pissed at him to beging with.
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 8:19 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

First I heard of that
Although I DID hear and read SEVERAL comments made about his laziness and lack of work ethic.
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 8:26 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I do remember something about
a shoulder issue last season, but even so - that would be even MORE reason to re-hab it with the team in the offseason.
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 8:29 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

He did
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 25, 2008 8:33 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Yea
I remember he was out for a week or so.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2008 8:39 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

He rehabbed all
summer. That's why he didn't play in the summer league. He chose that over surgery.
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 25, 2008 8:48 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

But he didn't do things the way the Bulls
wanted from him.
And he did NOT spend a great deal of time at the Berto Center.
Which is what I was saying if you read the post.

Sue....stop it already.
You just ate crow in the other post...you hungry again already?

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 8:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I think he
did everything the Bulls asked of him. You must have missed that too like you missed his shoulder injury.

It was Tyrus who did not spend time at the Berto. They have no idea what Tyrus did last summer other than what he said he did.

Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 25, 2008 10:01 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

When I read THIS post
I realized the disconnect.
I WAS talking about TT - and somehow I missed that Noah was mentioned....(oh, oooops!)

My bad this time Sue - sorry for the confusion.  :-)
All that time I was thinking "how could they not know about TT's issues...?"

And now it's clear what happened...(sigh)
Just goes to show how posts can get twisted around...

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 26, 2008 11:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

i don't think anybody here
made those comments
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 25, 2008 8:29 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Did I SAY anything about HERE???
Why do you insist on being such a dick?

You always seem to need to prove someone wrong, but there's no need to look past your own mirror.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 8:38 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

It has nothing to do with proving
I hate the disinformation that people like you and even more so exult like to spread.  Plus, if this distracts from kicking your dog, then I've done a good thing.  :-)
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 27, 2008 9:56 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Don't even have a dog
I feel bad for yours though, seeing as you always tend mention kicking dogs...

Maybe you should find a new catch phrase?

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 27, 2008 12:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Seems like the only time Wallace dunks anymore
is with no one else in the paint so he doesn't get hit...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 8:24 PM CST   0 recs

How did they look?
My provider is not carrying the game
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 25, 2008 8:24 PM CST   0 recs

That's too bad
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 25, 2008 8:33 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Tyrus
Doin' work

by gobulls1124 on Jan 25, 2008 8:24 PM CST   0 recs

Tyrus nice play
but got fouled.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2008 8:25 PM CST   0 recs

Tyrus very NICE DUN K!!!
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2008 8:29 PM CST   0 recs

Duhon couldn't finish lay-up
And Bobcats in transition 2 and 1.F...!
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2008 8:31 PM CST   0 recs

Bulls play as usuall
shooting 30%.We're lucky.Could be down by 20.
Bobcats is a shittyy team and Bulls look even worse.What a looong season...
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2008 8:35 PM CST   0 recs

looks like from the game feed
tyrus got himself closer to the basket.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 25, 2008 8:37 PM CST   0 recs

Yep
He belongs there.His jumpshoot still faaar away
from perfection.Is he going to be just Dunking/Bloking guy???
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2008 8:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I wish
we could get a streak longer than two games together
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 25, 2008 8:40 PM CST   0 recs

a streak longer than two games
Heck, I'd be happy if we even won TWO in a row...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 8:47 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Definitely not a
pretty half. They need to take better shots and get some rebounds.

Nice to see TT get a great dunk. I'm sure we'll see more of him in the second half.

Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 25, 2008 8:46 PM CST   0 recs

It would be nice
to see TT play more
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 25, 2008 8:48 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Yep
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 25, 2008 8:49 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

We need
To find out if he's a keeper or trade bait
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 25, 2008 9:09 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

lol
BW just closes his eyes, turns his head, and "jumps" into that block

by gobulls1124 on Jan 25, 2008 8:57 PM CST   0 recs

i got a video stream,
and now the game feed crapped out.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 25, 2008 9:01 PM CST   0 recs

TN
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 25, 2008 9:07 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Grizlies fan?
Somewhere deeeep inside?:-)
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2008 9:15 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

pshaw
I grew up in Evanston.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 25, 2008 9:16 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

saw garth brooks
down your way at the Grand Ole Opry

by alec on Jan 25, 2008 9:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Thabo had a good stretch
cut lead to 7.We don't have to give cats any hope.
Make it even in third and kill them in fourth!
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2008 9:02 PM CST   0 recs

Thabo is playing better with each passing game
He BETTER not lose the starting job back to du-du...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 9:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

And someone was wishing to let
him go.No way.I would keep him over TT.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2008 9:09 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

The rumor I saw
Was him and Noce for a poo poo platter from the Nets
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 25, 2008 9:12 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

That was just awful,bad...
Pax on ESPN1000 said about this rumor that is 95% bullshit.Thanks,Pax.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2008 9:17 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Thank God
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 25, 2008 9:23 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Hmmm
So that's 95% poo poo and 5% platter?

Sorry - that's what happens when you spend the day with kids I guess.

"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 25, 2008 9:24 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I think it's more like
99% poo poo 1% platter
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 25, 2008 9:37 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Nice to see
how Sefo is posting himself down-low.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2008 9:05 PM CST   0 recs

I just wish Boylan would sit Wallace
move Noah to center and bring in TT...hoping also that TT isn't done for the night...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 25, 2008 9:08 PM CST   0 recs

Oh man,
tell me about that.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 25, 2008 9:11 PM CST