First, it doesn't even work as proposed in the trade machine.  

Second, if MANAGEMENT does think Noce is overpaid then a salary dump make sense if they don't see him in there long term plans, but don't give away two tradeable assets for another small gaurd and trash.

Finally, if for some reason this trade goes down.  It would have to be part of a bigger deal because standing alone this trade would confuse the crap out of me.  

And off the top of my head, I can't think of anytime that's ever turned out well for a team.

It works this way, but any way you look at this trade, it's garbage. I can't even see how the expiring contracts would really help us facilitate a trade more than Noc and Thabo would.

sounds like a screen to get Memphis more interested in making the Gasol trade now.  Why would we "dump" our current best player in Noc for a bunch of awful guys?

I could see us dumping Cap'n Kirk, but not Noc....I think Pax and co want to light a fire in Memphis to make the Gasol for Noc and parts trade.....and with Memphis taking it easy despite losing, Chicago wants to force the issue before our season is completely over.

I'd hate to see Noc go, but I do think Gasol is a vital piece of what we're missing.  Having him with Wallace/Smith/Noah/Tyrus will give us a formiddable frontcourt, and I think at least Gordon's coming back into form of late, so our guards aren't awful (come back to play Kirk, remember that at one point for 4 years in the league you were pretty good)....

even though it's a salary dump, I still think you should try to get SOMETHING that slightly resembles talent in return

I'm all for trading Noce to get something back in return, but this one is a stinker.

Someone else who can't believe that the Gasol deal hangs on Paxson's unwillingness (stupidity) to not include Noce

If he does than he better get a first round pick out of it. Why should a bulls fan believe in this turd, he won't even get a post player?

(1) Why in God's name would the Bulls give up Tyrus AND Noah for the Slouchy Spaniard? Gasol isn't that good. He really isn't. He has looked awful this season;

(2) How does the proposed NJ trade help the Bulls? The players we are getting in return are dregs. I don't get it.

i hope this is just wishful thinking on the nets part as well as their media, because that deal makes zero sense for the bulls, unless paxson wants the nets to improve instead of his own team.  i want pax to be aggressive, but a trade for the sake of a trade is stupid.  especially that one... pax's main priority should be trying to trade ben wallace

my dead grandpa for wallace

Everyone knows that Paxson doesn't make trades anymore.  He may or may not actually own a working cellphone.

Nocioni certainly doesn't make them a contender - a legit 4 would do that - but he would put them over the luxury tax threshold.  Then there's no way they could deny J Kidd the extension he's been clamoring for.   It doesn't make sense for NJ to take on those dollars.  

And let's not distort the balance in this rumored trade any further:  our guys aren't that marketable for a reason.  That's what happens when you hold onto "assets" too long and allow their production to betray their promise.  Antoine Wright would probably be the second best guard on the Bulls team, and most likely a starter.  Marcus Williams would become the best pure point guard on the Bulls.  He's chubby and hasn't played much, but he has shown good court vision, play-making instincts, and the ability to make his teammates better/get them easy buckets.  To my knowledge, no current Bulls guard can do these things.  Noce is a slow three who is most effective playing the four.  Thabo has played the basketball of his NBA career over the past two weeks.  The deal isn't what I'd consider to be attractive, but I doubt NJ fans are screaming for this to go through, either.

This deal makes zero sense for the Bulls.  Noccioni is the type of player that every team could use.  We can argue about him being over paid, but so is 99 percent of the NBA thats off their rookie contract.  Now that Ben Wallace to the Lakers deal for Kwame's expiring contract and Vlad is a good deal.  I live in LA and all the Lakers games are on tv here and I can tell you that Ben would actually be very productive for the Lakers playing a "Rodman" role for phil once Bynum gets healthy so the Lakers are really interested.  And Kwame gets booed every time he touches the ball so he has to leave LA.  I wish this trade goes through.  It will be too perfect to get rid of Wallace and have Noah and Gray play the 5...  Now if we can follow that up by actually getting a starting Shooting Guard every thing will fall into place.  Kirk can be a pure PG and run the offense and all his problems will go away...

who backs up Deng?

First, why do so many base player judgments of last 3 games?  The whole freakin team looked good against GS and allowed us to blame Boylan for giving Duh front row seats for the Baron Davis show.  Then, they looked like they had a shot in the EC finals because they "own" Detroit.  Now they're the worst team in the league.  Sheesh!
   Thabo looks very good to me.  Not sure how many posters here go back to the pre-title days, but Pip was definitely a diamond in the rough.  Not much of a shot, very poor mental lapses, not to mention the migraines, contract issues, etc.  But when a guy has that length and handles like a guard, and plays great D with flashes of offence, you don't give him away.  Pippen became twice the player he was his first two years.  Noc would be a sensational asset for a good team, just the kind of guy you want coming off the bench.  There's a good trade out there for Noc.  Unless this is part of a grand scheme that unbfolds later, I don't like it.
   Let's cut Pax a little slack; this is the first time he's been in this spot.  The program was right on track and looked like it only needed tweaking.  The personnel moves were consistent with what he and Skiles were doing; turned out that what they were doing had run its course.  All of a sudden, the coach failed, the core failed, Kirk and Lu have lingering injuries, and our only hope is if the rookies and sophs reach their potential immediately.  Who foresaw all of this happening right out of the gate?  Nobody!  Otherwise, the posts here would be discussing the progress of a team that everyone knew was crap instead of reflecting everyone's anger and disappointment at underachieving.
   Re the Kwame deal, you obviously didn't see the Phoenix game; the stiff turned the ball over on 6 straight plays.  I mean, think of the worst 6 plays you ever saw Chandler and Wallace combined make, and condense them into a 3 minute highlight film.  Now wrap that kind of play with the intangibles that make a 7' tall multi-million dollar athlete take a fans birthday cake and hit him in the face with it, and you have a very accurate picture of Kwame.  Careful what you wish for.