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Open Game Thread #41: Bulls vs Indiana Pacers

Luol's out. Duh's still out. So it'll be a stretched-out guard/wing group. I'm also not quite sure we have a coach.

Nocioni will start at the 3, and I'd like Thabo getting some minutes sliding over to the 3 after Noc starts the game 0-5 from the field and Gordon checks in.

What I like less is Tyrus as Noc's backup, as although it's always pleasing to a depressed Bulls fan like myself to see him play, I feel Tyrus' best position is the 4. (where he can use his athleticism to an advantage, not just to be competent). If Boylan really wants to go nutty, play Tyrus and Khryapa together, with Tyrus playing the 3 on defense and the 4 on offense, keeping Veektor on the outside where he can dazzle us with his passing wizardry. There's also Nichols and (ugh) Griffin, but if it gets to that point I'd rather watch a misused (or just not ideally used) Tyrus.

Main strategic worry for this game, as pointed out by Mike McGraw, is defending the 3-point line. In case you haven't noticed, the Bulls are awful at defending the long ball (and not so hot at stopping penetration either, hmmm), and their offense sucks so it's hard to make up the quick deficits a hot-shooting Pacer team (with the freedom of not having to incorporate Jermaine O'Neal) could force.

The end of this month's schedule is favorable, but this Bulls team needs to beat its record win-streak of the season (2 games) for me to even worry about such things. And speaking of apathy: if you're not like me, who already got suckered into buying tickets (not for tonight's game though), but still a sucker enough to want to see the Bulls live, discounts can be had!

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Are they going to give me a refund for
my season tickets to those games?

Yeah, um, I didn't think so.

I understand the motivation, but that irks me.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 23, 2008 5:58 PM CST   0 recs

I feel your pain.
Seriously.  I just take mine and multiply it by $5000.  Ouch.

by alec on Jan 23, 2008 6:01 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Bulls are so depressing right now
Hearing the news Deng will be out for a weeks (I'm thinking after the all-star break) makes me just want to turn to the NBA D-League (or Minnesota)if I want to watch a team develop....With that said this is great post. Reading this makes it sound like we are the second seed in the east.

by lwinston300 on Jan 23, 2008 6:08 PM CST   0 recs

Are the Indiana Pacers
one of the teams that Wallace decides to play hard against?

by tomes521 on Jan 23, 2008 6:47 PM CST   0 recs

Wonder what the
breaking news on another Bulls starter is? Sports Nite just said that as they were signing off. It will be announced on the pregame.
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 23, 2008 7:00 PM CST   0 recs

BG
Ben Gordon might not play due to a wrist problem he picked up in the last game.

by cranscape on Jan 23, 2008 7:03 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

It's BG.
Remember he hurt his wrist the other night? He may not play tonight. When it rains it pours.
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 23, 2008 7:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

You never no
this could be a blessing in disguise.

by eross226 on Jan 23, 2008 7:07 PM CST   0 recs

Bringing Smith off the bench.
TT starts with Noc.

by alec on Jan 23, 2008 7:07 PM CST   0 recs

sour grapes?
It's depressing, considering people were talking about an outside chance for a Bulls finals appearance.  But such talk was before the emergence of the Celtics, so the Bulls in retrospect had no shot anyway.

BTW I remember all the skepticism on this blog about the Celts.  It just goes to show: the NBA is still a player's league, and it's still about talent; it's still a team sport--neither Allen, KG, or Pierce won anything before, but together they're great.

Anyway, I wish the Bulls would take the opportunity to make some bold moves.  1) convert BG to pg over the winter, 2) trade Hinrich while his value is still high. 3) trade Ben W to some team looking to make a finals run this year and needing to beef up their bigs (I know, salary issues).

by reggie00 on Jan 23, 2008 7:07 PM CST   0 recs

Tyrus starting.
For better or worse Tyrus is starting. Guess he gets his chance tonight at the four (I think).

by cranscape on Jan 23, 2008 7:08 PM CST   0 recs

woo hoo
Tyrus is starting, better make the best out of it
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 23, 2008 7:13 PM CST   0 recs

Gordon is out as well?
Who is going to score with Ben and Lu out?

This is really a prelude to a trade, right? Ok, maybe not.

Right now, they are playing that "Where ... Happens" commercial on the jumbotron.

Chicago Bulls: Where 10 Points a Quarter Happens

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 23, 2008 7:15 PM CST   0 recs

is shit the word after Where?
If you see Pax pacing the floors, ask him what the heck is going on.  

by KT on Jan 23, 2008 7:20 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Maybe this is TT's breakout game
He'll drop a triple double and never relinquish his spot in the starting lineup.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 23, 2008 7:22 PM CST   0 recs

let's hope so
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 23, 2008 7:41 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

It sounds like
I maybe glad my provider is not broadcasting this game
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 23, 2008 7:23 PM CST   0 recs

3 mins to tip...
And there are MAYBE five thousand fans in their seats. Weekdays crowds arrive late, though.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 23, 2008 7:31 PM CST   0 recs

Is there anyone injured for the Pacers tonight?
At least ONE player....?
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 23, 2008 7:34 PM CST   0 recs

I thought
O'Neal was out
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 23, 2008 7:37 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

The guy that
fought with Tyrus is out with a "sore" knee.  I think he just doesn't want to meet up with Tyrus on our home court.  :)

by cranscape on Jan 23, 2008 7:41 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

doesn't want to meet up with Tyrus
What a pussy....
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 23, 2008 7:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

How to stop the 3 point barrage
Bulls are terrible at guarding the three, so I know what you are thinking, we should try playing a zone!

Bulls have a real  problem stopping dribble penetration from top of the key. And once we see someone drop down to help, that leaves his man wide open for a kick out three. That's what zone defense does best, forcing players to take alot of long jump shots. But this is ok, because I guarantee they would have a better change of getting a hand in someone's face if they were regulated to guarding their designated "zone" as oppose to their usual desperate lung from 8 feet away.

Side not: I fucking hate seeing that little gangster Jamaal Tinsley kill us every time, so how about we try playing some zone tonight!

by RogersPark Kris on Jan 23, 2008 7:36 PM CST   0 recs

You big liars...
Tyrus didn't start. You got me all jacked up to see TT in the starting lineup.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 23, 2008 7:39 PM CST   0 recs

In the pregame
they had him starting.

by alec on Jan 23, 2008 7:41 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

They did list him as starting.
Don't know what happened, but I watched the pregame and they had him listed in there for Smith at the four.  

by cranscape on Jan 23, 2008 7:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

They listed TT as a starter
now they list Joe Smith.

by alec on Jan 23, 2008 7:40 PM CST   0 recs

Hey - it was on CC too...
WTF??
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 23, 2008 7:40 PM CST   0 recs

TT musta punched Boylan
during shoot around
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 23, 2008 7:41 PM CST   0 recs

they'll vote on the suspension
during the pregame huddle

by Freethefro on Jan 23, 2008 7:42 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

haha
indeed.
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 23, 2008 7:44 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Smith has two fouls.
Noah is coming up off the bench.

by cranscape on Jan 23, 2008 7:47 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Looks like
Tyrus might be coming in for Noc this game.  Who just got a foul himself.

by cranscape on Jan 23, 2008 7:48 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Hinrich made the three
and Thabo got a shot in the paint. Hopefully they can keep this up.  Especially the driving into the paint. And now Thabo with a jump shot.  Nice

by cranscape on Jan 23, 2008 7:45 PM CST   0 recs

Thabo looks on tonight
again
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 23, 2008 7:45 PM CST   0 recs

Bulls are trying to establish BW's inside game
You'd think he'd have some success since the Pacers aren't even playing a center, but no- 0/3.

by RogersPark Kris on Jan 23, 2008 7:47 PM CST   0 recs

Smith with 2 fouls already
and Wallace looks like his usual shyte...

ugh.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 23, 2008 7:47 PM CST   0 recs

Noah is snapping down those rebounds.
And now Thabo is knocking Hinrich down to get to rebounds.  Nice to see actually.

by cranscape on Jan 23, 2008 7:50 PM CST   0 recs

kirk
just ran over Granger
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 23, 2008 7:51 PM CST   0 recs

as a huge hinrich fan i must say
that was a stupid move. There was no reason to double up granger, aside from that, he should have been more cautious wait for the shot fake or something....im dissapointed in his last two shots too....argh...painful.
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Jan 23, 2008 7:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

just made a 3!!
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 23, 2008 7:55 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Gray and Thomas
Better see some decent minutes tonight. No excuse not to now with Smith in foul trouble.

by BoxingHideout on Jan 23, 2008 7:53 PM CST   0 recs

I don't think gray is going to get any burn
Indy isn't playing a center.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 23, 2008 7:54 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

The way I think
that's exactly why we should play one.

by BoxingHideout on Jan 23, 2008 7:54 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Gray would be too slow.
Matched with a center he is good, but with a small and faster opponent he'd likely get burned.  Especially if they are working the perimeter and not really posting up.  I like Gray, but I like him because we have someone to match up against big centers.  Pacers just are not playing any tonight.

by cranscape on Jan 23, 2008 7:59 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I don't think
Gray is that kind of difference maker yet.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 23, 2008 8:00 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I agree.
I'd like to see what  Gray can do with Foster for 12 minutes or so
Sucking chest wound? Bench Wallace and start Noah

by Rusty LaRue on Jan 23, 2008 8:01 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

wouldn't mind seeing what noah
could do with 35 minutes.

by Freethefro on Jan 23, 2008 7:54 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I don't get to watch the game
but has Stacey King said "Sefoloshaaaa" in that really creepy way?

by Freethefro on Jan 23, 2008 7:53 PM CST   0 recs

Red just said
"you may see adrian griffin get more playing time than usual"
Great!!
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 23, 2008 7:54 PM CST   0 recs

This better not be a night that sees no TT
I still don't get that last minute shuffle with the starting line up...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 23, 2008 7:56 PM CST   0 recs

can we put BW
on the bench, Noah cant stay with Granger
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 23, 2008 7:57 PM CST   0 recs

thank you
I could coach this team :)
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 23, 2008 7:58 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Good - sit the corpse down
he's done absolutely nuthin'...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 23, 2008 7:58 PM CST   0 recs

What do you mean..
Hes been oh so busy planning the next team meeting. Why do you think he is going to the bench, cuz hes not contributing??? HELL NO, he and A.G. gotta talk about noah and how he keeps trying to dunk the ball like hes on the street or something, as we all know what should be done is the ball should be held until two seconds left on teh shot clock and do a nice fade back jumper....rookies....
im trying hard to become the next kirk hinrich, therefore im doing nothing more than being the next chris duhon.

by piccolomair on Jan 23, 2008 8:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Thabo still playing too hesitant
He looks scared on offense and looks to kick the ball out the ball without even trying to make a move.

by RogersPark Kris on Jan 23, 2008 7:58 PM CST   0 recs

I like this line up
Noah
Thabo
TT
Noc
Kirk
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 23, 2008 7:59 PM CST   0 recs

i love this lineup
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 23, 2008 7:59 PM CST   0 recs

How do they look?
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 23, 2008 8:00 PM CST   0 recs

Ummm...
they look like
Noah
Thabo
TT
Noc
Kirk

:-)

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 23, 2008 8:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Hey, those looked like two post
Moves by Noah. Successful ones.

But Rusty told me it was a fact (Fact!) that he had no post moves and no footwork.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 23, 2008 8:00 PM CST   0 recs

we talking bout practice
in best allen iverson voice
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 23, 2008 8:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Wow...
Since you feel that Noah is such a dominant post scorer why don't you share with all of us which specific moves you think Noah has in the post that will allow him to be an effective post presence.  Be specific.  Is it his drop step??  Can he spin baseline??  I  mean really.  Put up.
Sucking chest wound? Bench Wallace and start Noah

by Rusty LaRue on Jan 23, 2008 9:39 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Is there anyone who wouldn't rather....
have Noah as the starting center?

by BoxingHideout on Jan 23, 2008 8:01 PM CST   0 recs

Nope
BaB voting is unanimous on that subject.

by RogersPark Kris on Jan 23, 2008 8:02 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Keep this lineup Jimmy
let's see how the Bulls best 3 +/- defenders do on the floor together.

by Scotter on Jan 23, 2008 8:02 PM CST   0 recs

soft call
on Tyrus
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 23, 2008 8:03 PM CST   0 recs

Thabo split a double team
and made the shot.  That's what I like to see.

Tyrus is in and already grabbed a rebound.

And Griff comes in for Hinrich...things were going so well too.  :(

by cranscape on Jan 23, 2008 8:03 PM CST   0 recs

like

by Freethefro on Jan 23, 2008 8:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

like

by Freethefro on Jan 23, 2008 8:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

like

by Freethefro on Jan 23, 2008 8:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

THIS!

by Freethefro on Jan 23, 2008 8:06 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Oh man
That is so great.

by Prevenge on Jan 24, 2008 12:41 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

slowly...
and like his jumpshot...off course.

by Lt.Dan on Jan 23, 2008 8:08 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

isiah thomas??
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 23, 2008 8:04 PM CST   0 recs

LOL
Red has flashbacks of the 89' Pistons sometimes.

by RogersPark Kris on Jan 23, 2008 8:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I did like Stacey
p&king fun at Red.."I didn't even realize you were awake over there Red..."

Red isChicago's NEW Harry Carey...I vote yes.

by Lt.Dan on Jan 23, 2008 8:12 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

haha
first FT for a drain this year...?
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 23, 2008 8:06 PM CST   0 recs

Big Ben's seats
sec. 304??  thats what 60Mil gets you
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 23, 2008 8:10 PM CST   0 recs

As bad as the Bulls are
Is there anyone on the Pacers roster you'd want? Maybe O'Neil, but outside of him that is a sad roster.

by RogersPark Kris on Jan 23, 2008 8:12 PM CST   0 recs

Dunlevey might be okay
off the bench
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 23, 2008 8:13 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

nice stuffing
by Thabo!
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 23, 2008 8:12 PM CST   0 recs

Griffin forced a walk.
Hey, maybe he isn't so bad if he is used right.  Can't be worse than having Du out there while he is in his slump.  Can it be called a slump anymore?

by cranscape on Jan 23, 2008 8:13 PM CST   0 recs

Wait.
Take that back.  He just did something terribly dumb.  

by cranscape on Jan 23, 2008 8:14 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Hey everybody!
The game is on everywhere! League Pass must be having a freebee week?

Man, the A-Train sure moves a lot faster than the A-Drain.

by marionette on Jan 23, 2008 8:13 PM CST   0 recs