Some quick Bulls-Grizzle notes from inside the Memphis airport

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 22, 2008 11:54 AM CST in News Comment 60 comments

I thought it was pretty neat how the FedEx forum was in the middle of downtown. Especially in an afternoon game, there were plenty of places to go eat/drink (special thanks to Zack of 3ShadesofBlue for the recommendations) before and after the game. I'm not sure it would work that well in Chicago, as it's colder during basketball season, and people would just bitch about the lack of parking. The arena itself is very nice, not exactly small but certainly more intimate than the cavernous UC. They had the same in-game entertainment you'll see anywhere, with a special wrinkles including an in-house band inside the arena (not the concourse), and a T-Shirt gatling gun that shot a half-dozen shirts in 4 seconds.
Bought tickets outside from an, er, independent ticket reseller. Sat about 20 rows up diagonally from the Bulls bench. Not close enough to hear them in the huddle or anything, and the game was so boring and they were behind the whole time, so it wasn't really conducive to that much interaction. I believe Thabo had some rah-rah stuff near the end, if that adds to your opinion of him. The breakout personality of the night was Tyrus Thomas:
- He not only was practicing dunks in the layup line (at the half he went way up after being physically lifted by Aaron Gray), he even came over to the Memphis line at halftime to tip in one of their shots.
- During one of the timeouts he was excitedly chatting up the bench, none of which didn't seem to happy about it, but weren't waving him off either.
- As the team came out on the court at the end of the Boyz II Men halftime show (yes, they were the halftime show. Sweet.) Tyrus pantomimed to 'End of the Road', and when the crowd applauded the concert he acknowledged the cheers as his own.
- All of the above almost made up for his missed dunks and yet another goaltend (a recent and weird trend for him). What I did learn is that he certainly doesn't seem down on himself.
The comments in the game thread here made it seem like the place was empty, but it was actually better attended than I expected. I'm guessing it looked bad because the season ticket holders are on the lower level, and they were a lot of no-shows in that area. But the upper decks were pretty full. Tickets were well discounted and likely given away in a lot of spots, as MLK day seems like their signature game. Had pregame and halftime acknowledgements of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bob Lanier, as well as a video tribute to Dr. King. (And did I mention Boyz II Men?)
As suspected, Grizzlies fans do not like Pau Gasol (who they do like: Miller, Navarro, and Gay). He sure looked like crap during the game, which didn't help. One fan next to me kept saying they'd be happy to send him to Chicago, and that he earned the nickname of 'GassHole'. In the 2nd half when Pau was isolated with the ball, the fans collectively made a sound similar to what the UC sounds like when Wallace has the ball. I told Griz fans that we'd still be happy to take him, as he seems to have all the characteristics needed to be considered a Bull.
As far as in game observations, Deng just didn't look right, and it seems that hurt or not, he never recognizes that in the worst starting lineup in the league, he's one of the few viable scoring options. As a group (per usual) the team missed way too many gimmees. In the first half the only good performance was Hinrich's first stint, and in general he seemed happy to be actually guarded by someone much smaller than him (Conley). Nocioni was abysmal in the first half, and I used his hot shooting in the 4th as evidence to try and sell Griz fans on his awesomeness. Between him and Gordon, the team was actually hitting plenty of shots in the 2nd half, but the defense fell apart. Like the Bulls, I was watching the ball during the many lob-dunks they gave up, so I'm not sure who exactly to blame. Just another collective suckfest, but at least I saw it a new place, or something.

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Interesting details

regarding Tyrus.

When last I saw him warm up, he was sullenly taking jumper after jumper from the elbow prior to the Detroit game.

Good to hear that he appeared to be enthusiastic.

But, yeah, the team sucked.

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by 1958ChiTown on Jan 22, 2008 12:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

We're the shots short?

In the GSW game, almost every 15-18 footer Tyrus was taking was coming up short. Front of the rim on nearly every attempt.

by NBA Observer on Jan 22, 2008 12:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't remember Tyrus taking jumpers

doesn't mean he wasn't, I was just commenting on what he was doing right before both halves.

I do remember Aaron Gray taking a bunch of ten-footers from the baseline. At an abysmal percentage.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 22, 2008 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Unlike last year, I'd welcome Pau to Chicago. We need someone who can score, as Joe Smith's being one of our most productive players indicates. But Noah AND Thabo (along with Noc and Du)? Even though the Bulls are a team of role players, I'd hate to lose both of those promising young guys.

BTW, this is what fans sound like when they root for a losing team.

by ForWhomTheBullTolls on Jan 22, 2008 12:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

reading the articles

Gasol's value is really dropping. Now we won't give up Noc for him? And I kind of agree since Noc seems to be the heart and soul of the team for whatever that is worth...

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 22, 2008 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Just out of curiosity

What do the Grizz fans think of Darko?

by Bayern Munich on Jan 22, 2008 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Memphis

I LOVE MEMPHIS, having recently been there last in mid Nov for the second time. What a great town with Beale Street being walking distance from the Grizz stadium, it seems like it would be a great place to check out an NBA game.

It's too bad the parts of the game yesterday I saw were a waste, the Bulls again had no energy and just went through the motions. THey tried to make a little run to start the 3rd quarter, and I was thinking, oh good at least we'll try to play the second half, but then Deng missed that wide open layup that he should have dunked and the Grizzlies grabbed the board and gave it to JCN for that 3, effectively eliminating our momentum entirely....especially when I believe Miller scored quickly thereafter after a miss.

I would love to see Mike Miller on our team, I think while he's no star, he's probably a more consistent player than BG (I'm tired of Gordon's crap play to start the year), and he's got the height we need. Plus, I was shocked at how fast he was (he was gunning it down the court yesterday and looked quicker than any Bull)....I think give him a new system and he'd be better than his already decent (16 pts, almost 8 boards).

Gasol has been playing through the motions all year, and he definately did again yesterday....he cuold be a Chandler type (a talented big who's tired of the spot he's in, albeit the inverted Chandler--due to his lackluster D). I think he'd also regain his form after a trade......but who knows, he's not looking like the player he was pre and post injury last year, which seems to me makes me think he's unhappy at all the trade crap. We'll see if he sticks around there and isn't dealt how he plays on Feb 22....

I don't understand why we Bulls play hard some nights and then play ridiculously soft others, yesterday's game was pretty much a summary of our season.

I also don't understand why a team that has so much talent accross the board (Grizzlies) can be so bad. I know the D ain't great, but come on, they can run, shoot, and seem to have great talent accross the board (Conley, JCN at PG, Miller SG/SF, Gay/Warrick SF/PF, Gasol PF/C and even Milicic PF/C has gobs of talent if little heart, even with him as their weak spot, they should be much better than their record. I think Iavonni (spelled wrong I know) should already be on a hot seat.....

Oh well, very disappointing game for the Bulls. They had finally started to look fun again (Warriors and Pistons were at least fun games to watch, something that can't be said for 75% of our games this year, we played really hard in both of them and made some stupid mistakes (Boylan's continued use of Duh on Davis especially after Davis was on fire was the biggest), but we were energized and at least showed that we can play at a high level even in a loss....

Then yesterday was one of our now standard ho-hum games.

It's so disappointing given that the thing with this team going intot his year was our heart, and now we have none of that this year.

Let's break it all up. I wish Kirk could go (and of course Big Ben too), Kirk at least is only 27 and looks done this year. Ben Wallace was a great player for many years who has hit the wall.....but both should be out.

by majoyenrac on Jan 22, 2008 12:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the inside Memphis view

It is no fun rooting for a losing team.

by chgobr on Jan 22, 2008 12:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Hollinger Power Rankings

What the Hollinger Power Rankings giveth, the HPR taketh away.

After Detroit's whoopfest, we moved from 21 to 18 in one night. After Memphis's suckfest, we moved from 18 to 21 in one night.

Memphis is 20, fyi.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/powerranking

"There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur

by cubbybear on Jan 22, 2008 12:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

This TEAM NEEDS TO GET RID OF THE POUNDER

kIRK HINRICH WHEN DOESN'T HE POUND THE AIR OUT OF THE BALL? HE REALLY BUGS ME, AS SOON AS HE COMES BACK OUR OFFENSE STAGNATES AND THROWS UP SHITTY JUMPERS.

by armstrong2389 on Jan 22, 2008 1:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Just a question

Is your caps lock broken or are you just really angry?

by upther on Jan 22, 2008 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm guessing both.

I guess there's a new target every week. I'm still stuck on Chris McGimpy. But really it's not his fault, it's Boylan's, and Boylan is playing the kids more, which is calming to me.

"There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur

by cubbybear on Jan 22, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

meh

They sucked with Hinrich out of the lineup, too. Did you see them get crushed by Orlando last week when Kirk was hurt? Or how about the entire backcourt getting embarassed vs. the Warriors without Kirk?

Don't get me wrong, he hasn't been playing well, but they have bigger problems. They're offense has been stagnant all year, regardless of who's been in.

by Bayern Munich on Jan 22, 2008 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ONLY KEEP NOAH, TYRUS, NOC, GORDON, THABO

Everyone else on this replaceable, trade Deng now because his value won't get any higher.

The Core; Noah; Good young player who CARES unlike the corpse. Tyrus; Give him consistant minutes and he will produce, is still young and can defend well. Noc; Great team player very good shooter, winner. ;Gordon give him 70 million and 7 years, he will get 22 a game and can be converted to point guard. Thabo; good overall talent, great defender, team floor leader capable of being 1st team nba defense.

Get them out of here;
Ben Wallace; the corpse just doesn't care and play hard like he did with Detroit now that he has all of his $. His athletic skills are eroding and his Arms look nocticably smaller.

Hinrich; He is 27 years old not young any more. He isn't improving he is regressing. He pounds the air out of the dam ball, and doesn't make people around him better. I think this kid is not a winner in the NBA, he is just an average player, lets face the facts. Even Conley is sadly looking beter already.

Deng; HE IS A NICE TALENT BUT by no means a franchise type player. HE PLAYS WAY TOO SOFT FOR MY LIKING AND SHOOTS TOO MANY MID-RANGE JUMPSHOTS HE SHOULD DRIVE MORE. I feel that a player like him is easy to get in the draft, and he has reasonable trade value now. Trade him now, for A post threat, possibly GASOL.
PAXSON; YOU CREATED A DISASTER AND BLEW THE 04 AND 06 DRAFTS. YOU ALSO GAVE TYSON CHANDLER AWAY FOR NOTHING AND GAVE AN UNDERSIZED AGING HEADCASE 60 MILLION DOLLARS. PAX YOU'RE A DISGRACE, I THINK YOU'RE NOT HALF THE GM KRAUS WAS AND I HOPE YOU GET THE AX FROM JERRY REINSDORF.

by armstrong2389 on Jan 22, 2008 1:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

You really shouldn't

drink this early in the afternoon. Seventy million for seven years for a streak shooter...HAHAHA!!!! BG will never be a point guard.

Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 22, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So apparently it's not a broken caps lock.

How about we trade everyone you like and you can go with them?

"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 22, 2008 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wow

I agree we should keep Noah and try to move Ben Wallace (which won't be easy). Other than that, I disagree with every single thing you said in that rant. Are you Ben Gordon's agent, by any chance?

And why have you been studying the size of Wallace's arms so intently?

by Bayern Munich on Jan 22, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe he's BG's

personal assistant who lives with BG.

Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 22, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm having problems controlling

THE VOLUME OF MY VOICE!!

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 22, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

IT'S A MEDICAL CONDITION!!!!!!!

Will Ferrel is a genius.

"There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur

by cubbybear on Jan 22, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You have no love for Paxson?

is this correct?

"PAXSON; YOU CREATED A DISASTER AND BLEW THE 04 AND 06 DRAFTS. YOU ALSO GAVE TYSON CHANDLER AWAY FOR NOTHING AND GAVE AN UNDERSIZED AGING HEADCASE 60 MILLION DOLLARS. PAX YOU'RE A DISGRACE, I THINK YOU'RE NOT HALF THE GM KRAUS WAS AND I HOPE YOU GET THE AX FROM JERRY REINSDORF"

Paxson seems to insight strong emotions in regards to his management of the team from some Bulls fans. How will his legacy eventually be told?
I also wonder if Boston fans felt this way appropriately 1 year ago today towards GM Danny A.? What is Boston's fans opinion now towards the Celtics? or the Red Sox, or the NE Patriots?

Remember the sappy Bulls cliche campaign a few years back "Anything can change in the blink of a eye" Well I think its time to bring back that campaign for the Bulls, Bears, Sox's and the Cubs.

Chicago sport teams suck at the present time! Less I forget ... "Happy 100th anniversary to the Chicago Cubs"

by exult463 on Jan 22, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

RE: Hinrich

Hinrich; He is 27 years old not young any more.

I don't have a link or anything, but one thing I've learned around here is that it's generally accepted that PGs peak fairly late. Some one with more statistical accumen than I (a large group) could probably demonstrate this quantitatively.

I just think it may be a tad early to give up on Hinrich. Besides, with his contract he's eating a Snickers. (not going anywhere for a while?)

"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy

by mdmnd9294 on Jan 22, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So is Memphis

worth visiting on its own? I've got to do something different for vacation this year.

by KT on Jan 22, 2008 1:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i went for a weekend a couple years ago

it was pretty fun. there's more stuff to do than i did but i didn't have time. however i did go a number of years ago and saw graceland and whatnot. it's nice but i don't know how long of a vacation would be necessary to check it out.

by Jaina on Jan 22, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This could be a nice Perpetual Diary.

But, until Matt cuts us off, we can play with it here. What time of year are you talking about? Memphis in the summer is brutal. Are you trying to keep it urban?

by alec on Jan 22, 2008 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Spring or Fall

I never go anywhere in summer for some reason. But I keep going to the same places, and I'd like to try somewhere different.

by KT on Jan 22, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah I went in March

the weather was awesome, I was out on Beale St in a t-shirt at midnight. :)

by Jaina on Jan 22, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What do you mean

when you say "pounds the air out of the dam ball" can you elaborate?

by Bulls4Ever on Jan 22, 2008 1:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

memphis is a great place

went to a game last year over there. really nice people there.

by peace21 on Jan 22, 2008 2:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Just wondering,

has anyone seen a starting center with numbers like Wallace's on a playoff team? Namely,

4.6 points/game on 34.9% fg & 44.9% ft. 8.8 rbs in 32:17 min

34.9% for a center?

Even if he were still the Defensive Player of the Year I think we would have trouble winning with those mind-numbing statistics.

by philosoball on Jan 22, 2008 2:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

shooting %

I couldn't agree more on the shooting %. Its one thing for a center to not score if he is really good at defense and rebounding but that shooting % and fact that Wallace is no threat that kills me. Don't most centers with limited scoring shoot 50% or more on all dunks, layup and put backs?

by NY Chicago Fan on Jan 22, 2008 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think it means that Wallace only

scores on dunks,no shots and no free-throws. Not only that, but his dunks only come on perfect assists with all the defenders drawn away from the basket, essentially a gimmee. With the Bulls clearly suffering on offense when Gordon, Deng and Smith aren't shooting lights out and Noah already surpassing Wallace on the offensive end, I think Sam Smith was right when he recently implied that Noah had already surpassed Wallace in terms of play.

by philosoball on Jan 22, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Cause

We got him FOR the playoffs, remember?

by Option27 on Jan 22, 2008 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Matt, did you get linked by ESPN again?

WhAt tHe HeLL?

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 22, 2008 2:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Krik Hinbrick must go.

I agree with the "Hinrich must-go sentiment" some posts have championed. I've been saying for two years now that he's peaked as a player. I almost died laughing last year when I heard he wanted Tony Parker money. Tell me, has he appreciably improved since his second year in the league? The guy is not a point guard. He never was. He played the 2 in Kansas when Aaron Miles was running the point. Hinrich isn't a play-maker, can't create, get his teammates easy buckets, can't make his teammates better, can't shoot, and can't drive and finish. So what can he do? He consistently plays hard and he can guard 2 guards well for an undersized player. That is not a ringing endorsement in my eyes, especially when we have a 2 guard who can fit that role, sans being undersized. Hinrich is the Shane Battier of combo guards and you've already witnessed his ceiling. Deal him while he's still 27 and people still give him the benefit of the doubt.

by messwiththebull on Jan 22, 2008 3:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Hinrich

has really let down this organization. The Bulls have counted on so much with him and has regressed as a player. There really isn't a big difference between Duhon and him

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 22, 2008 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't look at it as Kirk

letting the organization down. I think it's more that the organization misjudged his ceiling. He tries plenty hard. He just is what he is.

He's not an elite talent. And to exacerbate the problem, he's not really an ideal fit at any position.

Truthfully, hw's probably the definition of the perfect back-up. He can play more than one position pretty damnn well, and fhe does it with intensity.

by alec on Jan 22, 2008 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

See if you were to make that assesment last year

I would disagree. But this year...pretty spot on. Which delves into the question, "How does a player regress THAT MUCH in one year?"

Maybe this back spasm thing is more serious then originally thought. Doubt its the fact he got married.

Something has to be up. Of all the players having down years, Hinrich is having the worst.

by RogersPark Kris on Jan 22, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Let's not jump the gun

Kirk still has a nice assist to TO ratio and he still has to guard the other team's best player. A pretty solid defender as well

by Option27 on Jan 22, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

if you replaced all of Duhon's mins with Kirk for the GS game, I bet Bulls win

PG's tend to look better when a team is winning and shooting well - hard to get assists when nobody can make a shot.

Kirk may not be top scoring PG or top PG altogether but he has had some good games after rough start and always put in effort on D with noted sucess, you can't shot down top scorers in NBA that often.

basically he's no all-star and needs to shoot better but he's not #1 problem for bulls

by NY Chicago Fan on Jan 22, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Fire PAX

Just a few things on my mind....about Pax

Trading Eddy Curry, great move (pretty much all downhill from here, so far)
Getting Aldridge, giving him up for Ty2 and peanuts, could have bartered for more, Jarrett Jack or Outlaw, but we got Khryapa?
Getting "The Corpse" albeit it is a good playoff strategy, IF YOU MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.....
Getting rid of Ty1 (Who could help get to the playoffs, but would probably fumble the inbounds pass with two secs to go in double OT losing game seven of the first round)
Tyson and LaMarcus starting is a better combination than Wallace and Tyrus
Firing Skiles for being honest, this team is not built to win, he probably said this to Pax "You screwed this team up. look at what you did with all that you had! Be accountable for this mess! Go do some suicides!"
Now if Pax trades Noah, or Ty2 for Gasol...he'd be admitting he screwed up. Then when either develops and Gasol fades away like Wallace, what are we gonna say then... FIRE PAX

"We are who you thought we were"

by Thirdrock on Jan 22, 2008 4:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

For the love of God!

Does someone have to post this ridiculous Pax screw ups list every time we lose a game.

Get a job on the score or something.

by CrashDavis on Jan 22, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

actually, it's the same theme I post everytime

All I keep seeing about this team is related to trading away someone we shouldnt have to get someone that some other team doesn't want..... Then I look at who we had/should've kept, then the onus falls on Pax.... it is not when this topic is posted (when we lose) it is more regretful hindsight, cant fix this with a trade (unless its wallace) type complaining..Yes, this is my last fire pax post...

"We are who you thought we were"

by Thirdrock on Jan 22, 2008 4:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

this team won 49 games last year

and was improving every year. There is no way Pax could of seen BG, Deng, and Hinrich being this bad. Wallace was on the decline and he knew that. Pax has already made the first move by firing Skiles and will make moves accordingly.

I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 22, 2008 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess

it's the fact that it's "regretful hindsight" that bothers me. It's not something that's gonna get changed and it completely ignores the good moves/drafts that he's had.

by CrashDavis on Jan 22, 2008 4:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

CrashDavis

these posters, like ThirdRock and others don't view it as hindsight. I believed they cringed actually when the deals when first consumed.

by exult463 on Jan 22, 2008 4:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OT: R.I.P Heath Ledger

I don't even know what to say.

Fuckin' sad

by Option27 on Jan 22, 2008 4:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I know

by Jaina on Jan 22, 2008 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Joker

I guess the will only be a Joker in the 2nd Batman movie, "Dark Knight"...

"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany." - Ron Burgundy

by mdmnd9294 on Jan 22, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wallace might be bad

but that proposed trade with the Lakers for (rad and brown) is worst. But typical Paxs-Bulls. I hope no one in organization is giving this any real burn.

Wallace salary is bring all of this criticism. I really don't remember Wallace getting in the family van during the summer of 2006 and driving to Chicago and demanding Skiles-Paxs to sign him for 4 years @60 million?

by exult463 on Jan 22, 2008 4:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Don't recall where I saw this,

but a couple days ago I saw a list of the players, as voted on by the players in the league, who are making the LEAST out of their talent.

Kwame was, I think, number one.

by alec on Jan 22, 2008 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it made the rounds,

it may have been SI originally. JR Smith and Tim Thomas are on there, too, I think.

by KT on Jan 22, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Kwame Brown is terrible

but he has a $9 mil expiring contract making the trade very attractive for the Bulls. It essentially gets us out of the Corpse's horrible contract providing some cap flexibility.

by chgobr on Jan 22, 2008 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Right. That's the list I saw.

by alec on Jan 22, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

but wait

I thought we gave a future all-star in the Denver deal, the kind to put the bulls over the top for generations to come. Are you saying this guy was a waste and Paxson dumped him at the right time?

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 23, 2008 8:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's what made this list so funny.

or ironic, take your pick.

Everyone says the Bulls lack talent, that they only have high effort, good citizens, yet...of the five guys on the list, three were ex-Bulls, and the fourth was getting talked about as a potential future Bull.

by alec on Jan 23, 2008 10:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

really?

you would rather have wallace than kwame brown and radmonovic (sp???)? why?

by Conor on Jan 22, 2008 5:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Kwame still could be a decent center

I'd take Kwame Brown over Wallace alone. I think that Kwame could be a decent starting center in the East, this kid is bigger than Dwight Howard and just as athletic. Once or if he is motivated I think he is a double double guy. Hey you never know he could benefit from a change of teams.

by armstrong2389 on Jan 22, 2008 6:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

change of brains

or change of heart or change of teams.

I guess it's good to have hope?

by exult463 on Jan 23, 2008 7:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

One thing

i always asked myself was why BW never learned any offensive moves. I know he USED to be one of the best on D but would it hurt to pick up a basketball grab a coach and learn. Is he too lazy or too stubborn to learn. Even develope a jump hook. Im sure its not to late to learn some moves down low. Its a lot better than shooting air balls 5 feet from the basket.

by eross226 on Jan 22, 2008 8:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs