Open Game Thread #30: Bulls at Charlotte Bobcats
The one team the Bulls can beat.
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Don't forget Detroit!
Creepy quiet.
I noticed that, too
The NBA's next commercial
Wallace
To be fair,
He just made a great pass
Wallace only plays inspired
I am pretty sick of watching his lazy ass playing and missing layups that SHOULD be monster dunks like he used to do in detwat.
Wallace is the BIGGEST waste of money on the bulls bench - that being because he makes more than anyone else on the bench. :-)
The Bobcats traded for Nazr Mohammad last month
Hinrich! Thabo! Gray!
Thabo isn't looking too bad so far. He is moving pretty fast, but not out of control. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get a steal or two if he gets some playing time.
Hey! Nice pass by Thabo....
How is it that Gray
Gray goes up for put back stuffs and Wallace won't even make a layup....
geesh...
I doesn't take much
Tyrus has that look tonight....
Wonder what's it gonna take to see some TT?
ok that was ugly
Ben should be embarrassed
Only when he played like a monster dis that work....now it just tends to accentuate his horrid play....
Maybe his wife's sending a "signal" by letting him out of the house looking like that...
:-)
Noah! And Noah again!
I'd love to see Noah get a good 15 point night.
absolutely pathetic turnover
Please pull Smith
Gordon AND Lu under the basket and NEITHER of them can put it in....
Pathetic.
Anyone else fell like a TT sighting
SHYTE!
At least TRY something and don't be like Skiles....
How does Hinrich look tonight on the court?
not bad
High Flying Dunk of the Game
This game has the feel of us slowly losing by more
joke of a team
I have no fun watching these games. Down 8 to the Bobcats at half.
At least Noah showed yet again why the coaching staff is moronic for sitting him so much.
What about Tyrus? Hold that thought, gotta get Joe Smith back in so he doesn't stiffen up!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 7:25 PM CST reply actions
Gotta keep Wallace out there
We sign Wallace
Young guys
Actually, I with I went to the grocery store after work instead of rushing home to catch the game.
Joe Smith mixtape
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 7:29 PM CST reply actions
deficit is now eleven
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 7:31 PM CST reply actions
everyone is standing still
PULL HIS LAZY ASS!!
attacking the basket...
by bullsfaninbigapple on Jan 2, 2008 7:38 PM CST reply actions
and Wallace is STILL out there.....
well they've tied it with Wallace/Smith
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 7:43 PM CST reply actions
only thing saving the Bulls
(Chapter One: Why play one point guard when you can play TWO???)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 7:47 PM CST reply actions
or THREE....
What makes this all so glaring is that with the talent and energy we have sitting on the bench, the Bulls should be BLOWING these cats out...
NOT struggling to catch up or tie the game.
Sigh...
again.....
What a bum
I don't Hinrich goes into the lane
Duhon did that patented play
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
I'll give Boylan credit
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 7:50 PM CST reply actions
Yeah, but he also skipped TT and went
So it cancels that out.... :-)
Noc hit some HUGE 3's when we were struggling.
looks like somebody
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:33 PM CST up reply actions
Wallace and Noah both with missed layups
it's either this
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 7:55 PM CST up reply actions
Noah rules
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 7:55 PM CST reply actions
Noah ran the transition break possibly
by Ibleedbullsred on Jan 2, 2008 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
no seriously
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
Just joined.
Any TT minutes tonight thus far?
Any TT minutes tonight thus far?
can't play 'em both
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
well it's working.... :-)
is there any doubt
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:00 PM CST reply actions
The more I see this lazy Wallace play
At least TT plays hard...
doesn't matter if you don't run down the court
Noah is a dude...
by bullsfaninbigapple on Jan 2, 2008 8:03 PM CST reply actions
Please don't its over 4 that!
by Ibleedbullsred on Jan 2, 2008 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Two thoughts
(2) I can't wait until we trade Ben Gordon, and a month later the fans of the team we trade him to are all over our boards saying "WTF is up with him falling down all the time?".
I give him credit for going strong
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions
and he does so
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
1st team to 100
Ain't that the norm? :-)
Sadly, I feel a Tyrus trade coming.
Sam Smith should be happy, though.
don't fall into the either/or
I'm happy that I get to see Noah + good Bulls basketball. Not entirely a coincidence, of course, but the point being I'll like wins better if the players I'm interested in contribute.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know.
I meant during the offseason.
Oh, personally, I don't see why they
However, the Bulls seem to have concluded it's one or the other, for some reason.
The League must have secretly passed a resolution that said Noah and Tyrus can't be on the court together.
I don't get it.
I was thinking the same thing 15 minutes ago
like they're seeing if they can play without missing him.
I hope not though.
Noah
Example was that play when he did the spin move and popped out to Noc for a missed 3
Because of Noah, Tyrus = superfluous
I'm discouraged by his lack of hustle - I thought his astronomic block/steal rates, and even his rate of personal fouls, were indicative of "activity", and I'm furious that he's not providing the hustle he should - but he's 21 for crying out loud. It's far too early to give up on him being an impact player.
Might not be too early to give up on him being a star though...we do need to see something, at some point, *this* season.
Yeah but no one's gonna want Wall-ass's contract
I got your spin cycle Stacy....
Yeah LOL at the stacey king spin cycle comment
by Ibleedbullsred on Jan 2, 2008 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
i assume this is in reply to something?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:15 PM CST up reply actions
I would hope that in essence the 2nd overall pick
by bullsfaninla on Jan 2, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
L. Deng gotta learn how to be a star, he had his
Noah is just a smarter player
by bullsfaninbigapple on Jan 2, 2008 8:15 PM CST reply actions
Noah looks like he can catch a pass
by bullsfaninla on Jan 2, 2008 8:19 PM CST reply actions
Typical Wallace play
nice.
Thank God for the Charlotte Bobcats
Tyrus's PT
But if we go basically the rest of the season without TT having a long stretch with some major playing time, that is totally F'd up.
didn't they try that before
das what Im talking about dunk the ball
and king with a messing with sasquatch commercial
by bullsfaninla on Jan 2, 2008 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
if it was on Gray
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
another must-have victory tonight
Wallace played the whole 2nd half, and tomorrow's another game. That's, uh, scary.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:23 PM CST reply actions
worse for me
the snailbiters will test the Bulls tomorrow
Paul Allen being the richest owner in the NBA and all...
TT THE COACH KILLER GETS NO MINUTES
And all without TT!!
by hhi on Jan 2, 2008 8:23 PM CST reply actions
and the only game won
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
true, but
by bullsfaninla on Jan 2, 2008 8:28 PM CST up reply actions
Good Win
How did they look?
looked like crap
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
I really, really want to pound the crap out of the
I was looking forward to a reenactment of Tyrus' domination of Aldridge in the NCAA Tourney (a head to head match-up people rarely mention when comparing the two), but I guess Tyrus is never going to play again.
In any case, I want the Bulls to win. Badly.
Tyrus and Aldridge
freaking disaster.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
I still don't get the overall plan
But what happens when they start playing good teams again? How bad will it have to get before the rotation loosens? And then if they throw Tyrus out there after being buried for a few weeks what can we expect?
and playoffs? I'm bracing myself for 'went with the guys who got us there' quotes galore.
damnit, the sweet taste of victory has now been replaced by vomit.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:28 PM CST reply actions
that wasn't a very tight rotation tonight
technically that's true
"tight rotation" = No Tyrus. (or no Tyrus/Noah together).
If tight rotation means keeping Aaron Gray away, then tighten that shit up.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions
It's too bad the season ended tonight
I don't see a scenario
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions
I'm down with that noise
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:41 PM CST up reply actions
and what happened to the 'matchups' excuse
Rotations take a long time to change. Unless it's Skiles and Griffin.
And usually that change is necessitated by poor play, which I'd rather just be proactive and avoid.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
I kindof contradicted myself
But I'd still say 6 minutes too many, but clearly the biggest minutes thief today was Wallace.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
MATT!!! Snap out of it man!!!
Tyrus apparently can't play
Team game. Smart players and coaches. Veterans. Gotta have a clue.
Noah won two national championships. Second time he had to take a back seat. He's also older. Big time game experience.
by hhi on Jan 2, 2008 8:31 PM CST reply actions
That's funny.
Joakim communicates
I wouldn't mind a more chatty Noah to the press so long as he has the support of the vets.
I want to see
Let me guess
uh, there's no +1 system
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
I suppose you're right
by TMD on Jan 2, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions
I hadn't thought of that
by TMD on Jan 2, 2008 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
Hey if nothin' else -
than Skiles, that is....
boylan postgame
damn skippy. I never get why coaches have to apologize for not getting players minutes. The control the minutes, the proof is in the pudding.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:34 PM CST reply actions
Tight rotation
I think we're all mostly upset with the overuse of Wallace.
are you looking at the right box score
You are correct
Wins
So ... the big change is to play those guys more?
Oh shyte - now I've heard it all
Just because when he's on the floor the Bulls are +17...?
WTF?
Maybe I am crazy, but I think
JMO.
towards the end of the third quarter
to start the fourth
It's so nuts that the Bulls are increasing instead of decreasing his minutes. It's clear that he can be effective, but only in spurts. And it's not like there's no viable options off the bench.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
Do you ever pay attention to matchups?
Did Okafor get by Wallace last night? Yes. Twice on some nice low posts moves. Okafor didn't make either attempt. Wallace blocked the shots from behind on the recovery.
I'm not asking you to shower Ben Wallace with praise, but pat him on the back when has a solid OVERALL game.
He looked better
right
I think Wallace does play well in spurts, which is more reason in my mind to just give him spurts of PT, not the whole half so he can coast for most of the time. It's just going to get worse as he gets older and crankier.
Having a guy like Noah or Tyrus next to him can do wonders though.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 3, 2008 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Wallace stopped Howard too
I don't police your comments, but narry a peep shows up giving credit to Ben Wallace for slowing Dwight Howard and Emeka Okafor.
by NBA Observer on Jan 3, 2008 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
I prefer to bitch about what's wrong.
Didn't watch the Orlando game.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 3, 2008 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
There's this new stat called plus/minus...
I like what Kendall Gill
I think TT's as pretty good interior passer, don't you, Matt?
are you trying to pander to my Tyrus love?
Yeah he can pass as well. So can Wallace (at least the advertised version). In fact they all can.
It is interesting that post-firing the stories were that it wasn't just personnel that kept the Bulls from using the post, but that Skiles actively disliked using post play.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
yeah
(maybe some Tyrus slobbering)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
Wallace looked pretty good vs Orlando
by hhi on Jan 2, 2008 8:43 PM CST reply actions
I don't get all the negativity..
by bullsfaninbigapple on Jan 2, 2008 8:43 PM CST reply actions
I'm trying to be proactively cranky
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
XACTLY!
by hhi on Jan 2, 2008 8:46 PM CST reply actions
Kendall Gill
sheesh.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 8:48 PM CST reply actions
Not surprising
Noah played great tonight.
works for me
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 2, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
The old M2GwcSaD?
Keep Noah
When Wallace's legs fall off late next season, we're going to want all the young bigs we currently have (Noah, Thomas, Gray).
I would think we could get Gasol
Nice win
Two posters in one night from the rookie is impressive. I thought the bang on Okafor was special and the kid goes out and one ups himself in the same game. However, the most impressive play of the night was the steal of the interior pass off the screen and roll. Noah's length and good footwork put him in ideal position to seal that passing lane and his extended arm is long enough to get a finger on the pass. He stole it, dribbled to the center of the court and passed it as he approached the three point line. These demonstrations of basktball IQ aren't helpful to the "Play Tyrus" brigade.
Joakim should get more PT tonight guarding Pryzbilla. Another win at home in front of the national tv audience will go a long way in turning our season around.
3-1 in the Boylan era and the only loss was a las second game winner.
the play tyrus brigade
Not Noah v Tyrus
Noah was PF most of the night
It's not that hard to find minutes for Tyrus, between Smith/Noc/Wallace.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 3, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
questions
When Ben Wallace is in the game guarding Emeka Okafor is Wallace the center or the pf?
The Comcast crew seemed to think all game that Ben Wallace was playing the PF.
Gerald Wallace was guarding Noah. Noah was guarding Gerald Wallace. Gerald is not a center.
I've confused myself now.
by NBA Observer on Jan 3, 2008 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
who guards who(m)
It doesn't matter really, outside of the measurement mafia who start weeping when talking about a 6'7" center.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 3, 2008 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Noah was terrific last night
Houston
I'd rather acquire a solid perimeter shooter than a point guard like a Jacque Vaughn type that cannot shoot.
Luther Head
Two game mini-slump for Du
but he's facilitating!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 3, 2008 9:45 AM CST up reply actions
Noah = Stud!!!
Again no TT. He must have a shitty attitude or is lazy as hell in practice. Two coaches would not bench him if it wasn't something like that. Not that Kendall Gill knows anything about TT's situation but he said last night that TT is young may be a little hard headed and doesn't want to listen to the coaches. If that is the case someone needs to talk to him and help see his error.
Not getting ant pt against the Bobcats
Side note: Twice I heard espn sportscasters call Jim Boylan, "Jim Borlan".
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 3, 2008 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Missing PJ and Randy Livingston
He could be
Something strange is going on
I think we can make some pretty safe assumptions
My guess is that it's mostly his inexperience coupled with a native inability to comprehend his assignments. You can't play him if he screws up everyone else's roles. If he's going to play at all, it will probably start with very short stretches in which he has very simply instructions, then, after he grasps that piece, slowly and gradually his assignments will get expanded.
I'm not saying he's stupid. In fact, it's probably more about the Bulls' inability to discover and exploit Thomas' `learning style' than about Tyrus' inability to learn.
the whole team is stupid
Noah did exactly what we need.
he did show post moves
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 3, 2008 9:47 AM CST up reply actions
Give Boylan credit for seeing the miss-match
Noah was a key for us winning last night. We cannot rely on BG to bale us out every game. Noah helped us win. Gerald Wallace is not a bad shot blocker but your point is well-taken.
And a little more
Gerald Wallace really doesn't stand a chance at 6'7" against a 6'11" Noah in the low post. Noah even had a put back tap in at the rim that would have been over the back if Noah wasn't using his finger nails to get the bucket.
Does Sam Vincent go to Jemaereo Davidson? The Bobcats are very thin in the front court. They are more thin than they were the last time we played them in Charlotte. Jordan keeps making Dumars look like a genius.
by NBA Observer on Jan 3, 2008 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Was it against Gerald Wallace?
...too many Wallaces.
And on defense, Noah spent more time guarding Gerald Wallace out on the floor.
Noah spent more time guarding Gerald Wallace
One can only hope...
I worry about Noah's
Playing Noah at the 4 and leave more of a true center at the 5 spot. This would at least give the Bulls an advantage for rebounds and getting a big man to run out on fast breaks.
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 3, 2008 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
Noah will get bigger.
Didn't lift all summer
by NBA Observer on Jan 3, 2008 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
So we can take that as your vote for more
And there's that Marcus Camby
Point being you don't need to be the most massive guy in the world, like you said. You do have to be strong though, and intense, and Noah will be both those things.
by Freethefro on Jan 3, 2008 5:55 PM CST up reply actions
Here's an idea
In the digital age, anything can happen...
(okay - so that's obsurd...but I would just like to know what TT did at least, to be such a non factor)
Noah's great 4th quarter
- Noah's 4th: 11 pts and a help value of 12. That's outstanding. That stint looks good in the boxscore too.
- Wallace's +/- of +15 is deceptive. He played 23:10 min of a 2nd half in which the Bulls had a +20 scoring advantage. Deng, Gordon, Smith, & Noah all contributed more in the 2nd half. He played well, but was more a beneficiary than a catalyst.
- More 2nd half: No other Bull played more than 20 min in the 2nd half. Wallace played more than anyone else.
- Weird line-up of the night: Duhon/Gordon/Nocioni/Noah/Wallace. I knew that looked weird when I was watching the game.
Matt gets props from TrueHoops' Henry Abbott again
Do you two know each other? He mentions BaB all the time on his ESPN TrueHoop blog.
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 3, 2008 11:20 AM CST reply actions
The true test will be when comments like
unfortunately
this franchise doesn't know their asset from their asshole.
(it sounded better in my head)
by Matt on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 10:38:18 AM CST
maybe that should be my
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 3, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
'know' in the internet sense
I'm not sure I agree that a 'debate' with Boylan would work. It'd be more like I'd ask what's the deal, and he'd say the deal, and I'd just say "well, ok then."
I know pretty much nothing beyond 'hey this guy's good lets play him more'. (not that such a philosophy wouldn't go far)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 3, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
hmm. I read that as 'know'
Look, if the Grizzlies' bloggers
John Paxson may be outside of the realm of possibility for this sort of thing, since, let's face it, he's kind of taken a beating here at blogabulls.com this season. And he doesn't suffer undesirable situations lightly, if the trade of Eddy Curry is any indication (or one of a number of incidents during his managing or playing days). He seems a nice enough guy, but my gut feeling is that he'd be on the defensive just because of how this season's gone so far.
Boylan on the other hand is a fresh face, and provides the much needed "good cop" routine to Skiles' (former) "bad cop".
I have no doubt that such a debate, or rather a "friendly sit-down" could occur given (1) common social/business connections between this blog and Bulls' brass (not totally unrealistic if you think about it), and/or (2) the agreement by both parties of some ground basic rules.
Or Chris Wallace, for that matter.
Or basic ground rules, even.
float the idea
If that doesn't work, just show up at the Berto center and ask Boylan in person.
I talked to Jim Boeheim about a Syracuse game while he was pumping gas into his car. I can neither confirm nor deny that I needed gas that badly that day.
The formal requests sure beat the quasi stalking methods.
What's the point?
In all fairness, I did hear
First, it was interesting that one of the first questions in the interview recap was whether Thomas would get more playing time.
Boylan's answer was basically (extreme paraphrasing warning), "We're going to look at some things, and we're going to have accountability. I have a different personality than Scott Skiles."
The implications were: 1. Although I'm dodging your question, NO, he's not getting more playing time; 2. I expect the team to respond to my nicer personality; 3. even though I'll be implementing a lot of Skiles' ideas.
He did, however, state that the team would be emphasizing getting out on the break more, so that was a welcome development.
This might be where the ground rules come in. Like for example, he might get to just take a pass on certain questions with no negative consequences. Remember, the Bulls hold all the leverage, otherwise why would they agree to the scrutiny that would come with this kind of thing?
As you point out, Big D, it's not as if he could say "We're hugely disappointed in Tyrus and we can't get rid of him soon enough. But every team in the league is lowballing us, so we're screwed." Or, "As soon as we get a few wins under our belt, we'll start playing him more. But we can't trust him at such a crucial stretch of the season. Pax made a mistake taking this kid, because he makes too many mental mistakes." Or even, "Pax and I made a deal. The first few games are for me to pad my win total. Plus, it's Pax who wants to send this kid a message, not me."
These are just a few of the gems I'd love for him to say. Yeah, there's no way he's answering Tyrus Thomas questions on the record.

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