Open Game Thread #39: Bulls vs. Detroit Pistons
by NittanyBull on Jan 19, 2008 7:01 PM CST
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Print[Thanks to NittanyBull for the last-ditch game thread. I had someone scheduled but looks like it isn't up. Am I the only one just hoping that smilin' Jimmy Boylan finally sees that things are no better under his watch? I'm sick of hearing that myth. -Matt]
Game starts at 8:30 p.m.(30 minutes from this post). Since no else has posted one up, I thought I might as well.
I believe that Chicago has won all of their matchups(a whopping two games) against the Pistons, and lets hope they make it three.
What I'd like to see(what would you like to see?):
- Noah & Thomas chiming 28 minutes combined.
- Wallace to only have 25 minutes.
- For the Bulls to win(man I'm just full of wit).
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Over/Under
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 7:04 PM CST reply actions
You're over?
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 7:26 PM CST up reply actions
What?
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 7:31 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I worded it awkwardly.
Ahh, that's better.
Gotcha
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 7:36 PM CST up reply actions
Getting a third straight win
Attendence may be light tonight.
So damn cold
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
HA!!
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 7:29 PM CST up reply actions
Deng not dressed?
Deng is out for tonights game
Grrrrrr.
Looks like you might get your wish
Minutes
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
No Deng tonight
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 19, 2008 7:21 PM CST reply actions
No Deng, is
Wondering and worrying.
gotta trust the veterans
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
ok, that's my last annoying cynical post
Boylan sucks.
(that was the real last one)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 7:35 PM CST up reply actions
annoying cynical post
It's okay to be annoying and cynical....
Really... :-)
You actually
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
At least the Bulls have been playing well lately
that's awful
by Freethefro on Jan 19, 2008 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
Tyrus doesn't even look interested
I actually feel sympathy for him. He seems completely detached.
Oh well.
We'll see what happens tonight.
My wife wouldn't attend the game because of the weather, but at least I have the fanatics here. Blogs are indispensible during bad seasons. LOL.
With Deng out
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions
Did you see 82games.com
so what are these
by Freethefro on Jan 19, 2008 7:40 PM CST reply actions
We always seem to play Detroit tough
LOL!! Duhon knocked down
And to think Gordon is smaller than him even.
I was at the UC last night
Yeah, well I'm so excited about this game
At least
And the first thing Du does is leave his man
And the offense is already non existant
Nocioni better shoot every time right now
The last thing I want to see
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 19, 2008 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Duhon blows
I say bring in Gray an let him hack sheed
Maybe that will piss sheed off and screw up his game...
'Cuz it's a cinch that BW ain't gonna stop anyone tonight...
The bench
Boylan may keep saying he won't bench Du
I think he will come around
slow but he's not blind
I just saw a show on that house, its
Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us all....
Shouldn't throw stones
Shhhh
Okay, so here we go with Kirk and Thabo
Must be nice for Kirk having
Joe Smith
by Seth @ Blog a Bull on Jan 19, 2008 7:52 PM CST reply actions
Is it me
Wallace not into it?
just about all season....
Seems like BG dribbles and turns the ball over
Just did it again....
the crowd is so loud
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 19, 2008 8:05 PM CST reply actions
I refresh
We're
Oh, does he play for us these days?
wallace throwing it down on Maxiell's punk ass
no argument with that
by bullshooter on Jan 19, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions
welcome back kirk
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 8:10 PM CST reply actions
His slump continues
Hinrich should think about layups
john paxson and staff need to go..
Did Thabo do something wrong?
by Freethefro on Jan 19, 2008 8:14 PM CST reply actions
You haven't heard about getting Du his minutes?
Pax may need
Lightning without any thunder.
Its the over
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 8:16 PM CST reply actions
It's alright, one day you'll see
When
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions
or
by goldengod on Jan 19, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
All things
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 8:21 PM CST reply actions
Tyrus gets swatted
by Freethefro on Jan 19, 2008 8:21 PM CST reply actions
Rather
by goldengod on Jan 19, 2008 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
Gordon Lackluster D
Du and BG in together
The same as last night....
AND the night before....
C'mon coach
Thabo's back
Thabo's back
Umm....nope.
TT bust!
He's
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 8:32 PM CST up reply actions
Just curious how you felt
So
I think
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
Take a look
It seems to me that when he gets consistent minutes, his play is not poor or distracted. The poor or distracted play is a result of the inconsistent minutes.
I tried that.
or it proves
He
If you're point is that he needs 20 minutes or more a night to play well then you might as well kiss the guy good-bye.
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
Why can you not process
That doesn't explain
how about
should've never lost his starting job
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
they fucking went back to him for another 5 games
by bullshooter on Jan 19, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
Check the stats.
But you know what
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions
he plays good
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 10:12 PM CST up reply actions
boom
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions
Wtf?
So.....
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
Yes
No one has sucked as much as Duhon and Wallace this year, but you don't see them getting yanked after 2 minutes. But the young guys? One mistake and you're out for the game.
Jesus-minny
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions
That's not true.
See, the other thing that goes against your argument, well, the facts. How do these work?
Tyrus started and got a lot of minutes in the first five games. He had, arguably, the two best games of any Bull in the first five games. He also had a really shitty game, but still got 20 minutes (see how that works against your theory?). He had two "meh" games. About what you'd expect from a raw yet promising second-year player, no?
Then, in the sixth game, after a kickass game against Detroit, he only played 12 minutes. He wasn't playing well, but wasn't playing well. He got yanked for some reason in that game (someone should re-watch it) he got pulled. He probably didn't something really stupid. Then, he's no longer starting.
This is exactly where your argument fails. The first five games he had two of the best games of any Bulls player that early in the season. He also had bad games but still got the minutes. That's how starting works. Since then, he's played a lot less consistently and a lot less minutes. It has very little to do with his play except that he's given no slack. It's quite obvious to any discerning person, if he played more, his goods would outweigh his bads more often than not.
Then they went back to starting him
Meh?
17.2 mpg
34% shoot
8/12 FT/FTA
11.16 /36
13.3 /36
Oh, and the team went 2-3. Basically, he needs to take better shots. Other than that, there's no argument he shouldn't be getting 20 minutes per game. If he were starting and getting 35 mpg, he'd be getting a double-double. So please, tell me how that's wrong. That includes his shitty game where he got yanked. I mean, that's only those five starting games. Those are his 'meh' averages.
He needs to start and get 25-30 mpg. It's a fact, Jack. Get over it.
what's your definition of "meh"
how do those numbers compare to Smith's and Noc's, the guys who are playing ahead of him? If they are less efficient, then TT should ride the pine until his numbers get better.
by bullshooter on Jan 19, 2008 11:33 PM CST up reply actions
Here is what you're missing
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
I see you conveniently left out the times
Wrong
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
that's not entirely fair
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe??
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
oh, and at the 4, too.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
So you're on the record
Okay. Got it.
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 20, 2008 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
Thabo
by goldengod on Jan 19, 2008 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
Thabo
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
I realize you're new HERE
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 9:29 PM CST up reply actions
Mathew
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions
like, read the archives
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions
Or maybe....
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 9:48 PM CST up reply actions
We
by goldengod on Jan 19, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
Wrong
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 9:56 PM CST up reply actions
If you don't understand
Holy shit
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
I'll try
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
and
by goldengod on Jan 19, 2008 10:20 PM CST up reply actions
Also wrong
And.....
Where in the hell were you when Curry and Chandler got handed minutes despite performance?? How well did that work out?? Please explain how that approach made those two more valuable to the team. Are you honestly trying to make the point that there isn't greater long-term value in tee-tee having to EARN the minutes he gets??
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 20, 2008 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
The fundamental difference
We would rather trade guaranteed mediocrity for the chance at something great.
Wrong still
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 20, 2008 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
See?
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 20, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
Ok
#2 - If Smith keeps playing this much (32 mpg in Jan) he will be useless or unavailable in a month
wouldn't you be rooting for #2?
by bullshooter on Jan 19, 2008 10:30 PM CST up reply actions
Just cause I want Tyrus to play more minutes
I want the Bulls to win as much as possible, and it seems the best way for that to happen is to develop Thomas AND have a healthy Smith.
So
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 20, 2008 9:05 AM CST up reply actions
The first point is most important
Btw, your nicknames are very creative... will you post a diary with all the little nicknames you've come up with?
Dumb
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 20, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
How are you not getting this
Do you not understand the concept of age? Do you really not understand the concept of limiting the minutes of a veteran, even if he still plays well in those minutes?
Here's what you can do
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 20, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
He's been averaging 31mpg this month
He
If the Bulls either drop out of the playoff hunt or look like they're going to be a solid middle seed then you'll probably see his minutes decline a bit which is fine with me but there is no justification for limiting the minutes of one of your best players while the team is in the midst of trying to make a run to save the season. There is no issue here at all. You guys are making this one up
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 21, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Dumb
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 20, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
How about
B) to reinforce the idea in TT's head that he has to bring his A game every night if he wants minutes. That's something that benefits both him and the bulls...
by bullshooter on Jan 19, 2008 10:10 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe he can't handle tough love :)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions
He's
by goldengod on Jan 19, 2008 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
Tyrus
by goldengod on Jan 19, 2008 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
TT is showing signs of rust
The Bulls should try getting him some open 15-16 foot jump shots to help get his confidence back.
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 19, 2008 8:29 PM CST up reply actions
2 nice steals
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 8:26 PM CST reply actions
Get the fuck out
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 8:27 PM CST reply actions
What the hell
I'm really in the mood for a 'Sheed meltdown
Nice job by Wallace on that bailout
they were laughing?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions
I feel a suspension coming on...
I SO wish
Or at least TRY to play like this each and every game....
I heard that.
the problem
by goldengod on Jan 19, 2008 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
Thabo and Kirk together on the floor again
and before some wise - ass flames me
when we put in our big guard
by Freethefro on Jan 19, 2008 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Regardless of WHAT he plays
And the score reflects that.
Wish I'd seen the game
by Freethefro on Jan 19, 2008 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
wow
by Beef Wennington on Jan 19, 2008 8:33 PM CST reply actions
What's Kirk bitching about?
Not saying that Herrmann didn't deserve it, of course... :-)
Kirk is a whiny bitch.
And I still like Kirk, actually.
How can Gordon make that
Good half.
Hinrich still looks inneffectual on offense.
Cracks me up that this Bulls team always play well against Detroit. The Pistons don't look like a very good team.
Question for second half is...
oh, count on it
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions
Sooooo Boooooring
Watch out for Billups victimizing Duhon in 2nd half.
Looks like the Pistons have gone into their
Nice first half.
Duhon Clearly Weakest Link at start of 3rd
How did Noc got get a foul there?
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 19, 2008 9:01 PM CST reply actions
BG should come off the bench
And I say that in a good way.
Damn
Classic
ugh
The stupidest foul I have,..ever..
by Seth @ Blog a Bull on Jan 19, 2008 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
Thabo with 19 pts. and 7 rebounds already?
I think you misread that
I only caught a glimpse
Thanks for the heads-up :-)
They're
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Here comes the collapse
Kirk is being SCHOOLED by Billups
Some might have thought Kirk
Notes:
-Thabo has as many rebounds as Ben Wallace.
-Why is our offense so unbalanced? Gordon has 20 points, Noc 16, and then there's ... 7,6,4, etc. Also ... not too many assists, at all.
Blah, I wish I could watch, but our TV that has cable is stolen from me today. I've been watching GameCast.
our TV that has cable is stolen from me today
Close,
I really wish I could see it though, looks like Thabo is really improving a lot [from the comments].
Assists seem low for both teams
I wish the Bulls
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 19, 2008 9:21 PM CST reply actions
Hinrich really hurting us tonight.
Man, I left for the end of the Kansas-Missouri gam
a lead never being safe with the Bulls.
the one success of the Boylan regime
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 9:44 PM CST up reply actions
true
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder if
we'll probably trade him
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
Matt Harpring didn't win in college.
He's not that bad
I hear he's a solid lockerroom guy
You would be.
I guess you would like Cedeno to be in SS
Don't put baseball into this website, please.
Someone forgot to tell the kids
That's funny
Girl Scouts have a new cookie.
Sefolosha:is a big talent
by runio on Jan 19, 2008 9:32 PM CST reply actions
If loving Thabo is wrong...
I don't want to see
Is anyone else really scared...
Now I feel bad
by BoxingHideout on Jan 19, 2008 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
And he's still down
I would be surprised if that isn't an ACL injury...
I don't wanna see ANYONE get hurt like THAT...
Ouch.
What happened?
Never like to see an injury, even for Du.
Thx
Yikes
I thought it was just a knee to knee at first
It was a knee to knee
Du's knee clearly buckled, which again makes me think ACL
with Du out and Kirk in foul trouble , do we see
Yes he did
He urinated in public and then tried to run ...
ESPN link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3201750
He urinated in public and then tried to run
guh...
NOAH
Noah
Careful - The game isn't over
In the playoffs.
True, but that just makes it
back up by double digits and ben wallace has been
I like our energy
I wish we played Detroit and Miami every other night, we always get big efforts from this team against these 2 teams.
Why did the Thabo yr 2 have to wait this long, he's looking great of late, a little offensively challenged still, but just solid. He's our starting SG/PG for the rest of the season if I was the coach, he can defend among the best, dribble, board, pass and occasionally shoot.....Maybe with Duh out we'll get our wish, although I hate seeing that injury.
WHY NO TYRUS???? I love seeing more Thabo and Noah, but Tyrus is a fun player to watch.
Nocioni's our team MVP, BTW all you Blogabull Noc haters....
Also, Noah's D of Rasheed a second ago was one of the only time Rasheed did his unstoppable fade shots that was stopped because of hte D.
I hope regardless of our record this year we continue to play hard like we have the last 3 games (I almost forgot about Miami because that looked like a video game matchup).
This team is fun again when they play hard, even if we're not championship contenders, this kind of energy proves we can be dangerous in any game.....
funny part about Thabo
If not for Hinrich injury, Thabo never gets these minutes.
We'd still be talking about Thabo bust.
wrong
Total horseshit.
He got that two times. Two other times he got like 6 and 4.
Averaging like 8. After injury, averaging over 20.
There was no upward trend. You are full of shit. Look it up.
Yeah, but bullshitter knows it all
You actually
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
You are right
Where is Ben Wallace?
where he belongs with Noah playing like he is.
Wonder if his detwat buddies give him any flak about that... :-)
Nice to see Noah out there for Wallace in the 4th
How was that a foul on Kirk?
geesh...
thats what I am talking about play to your
do we still need kirk?
by Beef Wennington on Jan 19, 2008 9:58 PM CST reply actions
yeah
How the hell Thabo didn't play more minutes
just too bad they couldn't give everyone
Is Hamilton's mask
I can't remember what he looks like without it.
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 19, 2008 10:01 PM CST reply actions
I'm pretty sure
When Gordon
Dear Rusty...
See, that's why he should play despite the fact that he is a non-footwork havin' non-shootin' no-post move playin' punk.
Oh, 3-0 against the Pistons, even though you said we can't compete with them.
on that last point
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
Playoffs?
by 1958ChiTown on Jan 19, 2008 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
Boylan
by goldengod on Jan 19, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Noah plays, he produces.
I dunno, maybe in March the staff will find out that Tyrus can do the same. Then it'll look like it was 'earned', not given, and they get credit for easing him in. Or some bullshit.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 10:07 PM CST up reply actions
Dear 1958
No you didn't. Because those are things he cannot do. Upsets you terribly I know. In some situations he can compete and contribute the window isn't nearly as wide as you guys wanna kid yourself into believing it is. He is a veryyyy limited player.
We kicked the Pistons ass in the regular season last year too and two years before that as well. How many playoff series have we taken from them lately??
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 20, 2008 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
Noahgizer! Noahcell! Noahready!
credit to Boylan for sticking with him
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
credit to Boylan
Or will he revert back to the same old shyte next game?
Great game Thabo
it's huge
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 10:09 PM CST up reply actions
agree whole-heartedly.
Just looking at +/- for the night
Thabo was at +22.
The Bulls do seem to rattle the Pistons
Got this game on dvr - decided to watch the Bucks/Warriors game live, and come back to this one. Should have done it the other way.
Maybe HasBen Wallace's friends...
Noah - Thabo on the court at the same time
With Thabo playing to his abilities more now
And us beating detwat WITHOUT Deng...
Can you imagine what it would have been like with Kobe and Thabo TOGETHER on the floor, and Noah or TT up front with Smith, with BG and Noc coming off the bench?
mmmmmmmmmm.....
Bullshooter...
Under Skiles, for the season, Thabo played just under 10 MPG. Under Boylan, he was playing less than that (like 6.5 MPG) before the Hinrich injury.
Now, I will be the first to admit that Thabo's Skiles MPG was inflated by garbage time and I haven't gone back to disaggregate meaningful minutes.
In any case, you are one of the most basketball savvy posters here, so you may very well have a point, but I don't see it in the minutes. JMO.
To me, Boylan was playing it conservative with the vets and got lucky when Hinrich went down. But again, I respect your opinion and maybe he would have played anyway.
1958Chitown you are absolutely right
I think the plan is to bring the young guys along
by bullshooter on Jan 19, 2008 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
Nocioni!
He crashes the boards almost every time
Sorry
by MarketMaker on Jan 19, 2008 10:21 PM CST up reply actions
Man, if we had pulled out the
Could be illusory.
by 1958ChiTown on Jan 19, 2008 10:25 PM CST up reply actions
I know, that's why I can't start counting
by philosoball on Jan 19, 2008 10:27 PM CST up reply actions
I thought this was one of our best defensive
Not to kick someone when they're down
Maybe the Bulls will be "forced" to turn the corner...
Wouldn't THAT be irony at it's finest?
Agreed
Diagnosed as a 'knee sprain'
Usually when they say "sprain"
by Freethefro on Jan 19, 2008 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
Joe Smith looked tired right from
his playing well helped too
by bullshooter on Jan 19, 2008 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
Is there a way to post photos like
sure
No flash here. Just who whines the best.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 19, 2008 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
I missed a great game
Baka...
Thabo is one
Kirk played fine
by bullshooter on Jan 19, 2008 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
I thought he looked a little stiff at times
The big thing with a back, obviously, is how it's doing today after playing. Hopefully he's really back, because I'd hate to see it turn into something like Deng's achilles where he can't go every so often. (Mostly that's for the team, but I also happen to have both of them on my fantasy team so it doubly sucks!)
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