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Open Game Thread # 38: Bulls vs. Golden State Warriors

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[Thanks to wjb1492 for today's game preview. If you want more, I was the 'A' in 'Q&A' over at GSoM. -Matt]

Honestly, I have no idea what to say about tonight.  I'm still feeling pretty mellow following the Bulls' humiliation of the Heat on Wednesday, which makes me want to say wonderful things about the team and its prospects for the rest of the season.  Yet, at the same time I find that I just can't let go of the early season misery, and I'm bracing myself for an eventual return to frustrated sarcasm.  That was the Heat, after all, while tonight is instead the high-octane Golden State Warriors, who average 108.5 points/game on offense.  Considering the Bulls can be decidedly offense-challenged (for recent evidence, just think back to that killer 10 point 3rd quarter against the Magic), our guys are likely going to need one of their sharper shooting nights to get the W.

Meanwhile, the off-court adventures continue, with JamesOn joining Joakim in the news.  I can't wait to see what Aaron Gray has up his sleeve, since it would appear to be his turn to make headlines.  Boylan's comparison of Joakim to a puppy reminded me of some conversation on Blogabull long ago about what breed of dog each of the players would be, but sadly (?) I couldn't find the thread.  Joakim definitely reminds me of my parents' lab, though.  (By the way, you'll all be pleased to know that our friends, the Pistons, have "good" rookies who know their place.  But I suppose that's a story for tomorrow night's game.)

Looks like Kirk is out again, so Thabo will hopefully have a third great game and make it impossible for Boylan to stick him back on the bench if Kirk ever gets healthy.  Deng and Noc are expected to play in spite of their respective boo-boos.  Hopefully the kids will get some run, since BW (aka Has-Ben, the Corpse, Ben Worthless) doesn't run at all lately and that lack of running could pose some issues with the Warriors.  (It was good to see he can still dunk, though.  It's always nice to know whether poor play is lack of interest or lack of ability.)

So, enjoy the game, all, and here's to hoping for a 2-game winning streak.

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I heard earlier
that Kirk was a no go tonight.:-(  Man I hope his back heals soon. Hopefully Thabo's good play continues.

I liked Boylan's comparison of Joakim to a puppy.

I have no idea what to expect of this team for this game.

Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 18, 2008 8:00 PM CST reply actions  

hoping for a 2-game winning streak
Well, I for one would never have thunk before this season started that a 2-game win streak would be an honest hope (but one wish on a mile-long wish list)...

I second the notion though.   :-)

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 8:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Hopefully Thabo's good play continues
I second this notion as well...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

If GS plays up tempo
its going to be a long night.  They've been sluggish the last couple of games though
Global warming? Bench Wallace and start Noah.

by Rusty LaRue on Jan 18, 2008 8:20 PM CST reply actions  

Is Hinrich
Going to play tonight?
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 8:38 PM CST reply actions  

Posting live from
the UC. Noah was out an hour before the game working on post moves and shooting. The guy looks very hyped up to play. I hope he gets some good minutes tonight. The Warriors striped orange jumpsuit warmups are heinous. One of the Warriors (maybe Barnes - hard to tell from my angle) is doing a very complex jumprope routine to warm-up. That's all I got. Key info, I know. LOL.
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 18, 2008 8:40 PM CST reply actions  

Posting live from the UC
Enjoy the game dude.
And while you're at it, go slap Boylan for us, will you?   LOL
Hope the Bulls put on a nice show for you tonight.   :-)
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I am jealous
I used to love going to the UC
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice to see
that the Bulls blew out the Heat, while they are taking one of the hottest teams in Portland down to the wire...  
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 8:40 PM CST reply actions  

I wonder
how Jeff Van Gundy would be with this current Bulls team...?
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 8:51 PM CST reply actions  

This
team is slow and plodding enough without Van Gundy
Global warming? Bench Wallace and start Noah.

by Rusty LaRue on Jan 18, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

I used to think the same way.
A couple weeks ago, Van Gundy kept repeating through a game that with the players the Bulls have, they need to run as much as possible.  If he could find a good offensive minded assistant, I'm sure JVG could devise a defense to get the Bulls running and back to the top in defensive efficiency.  To be fair, Van Gundy's teams have had an old Patrick Ewing, Yao Ming, and Tracy McGrady.  As much as I hate how slowly they played, there was no impetus for his teams to play at a faster pace.  When Ewing went down with an injury in the 2000 playoffs, he let Houston, Sprewell, and Camby run to the Finals.  The name mentioned most here that scares me is Carlisle.  He had players in Tinsley and Jermaine O'Neal who can play in the open court, but he still bogged them down.  

by snley on Jan 19, 2008 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I would take JVG over Boylan ANYDAY
At least he's a PROVEN coach, and I think he would actually be a breath of fresh air to the team.
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 19, 2008 1:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Boylan
kind of has a drunk's nose
Global warming? Bench Wallace and start Noah.

by Rusty LaRue on Jan 18, 2008 8:55 PM CST reply actions  

i wish tommy edwards
would give stacey a hard time and start announcing thabo as

"thabo sefolossssssssshhhhhhhhhha"

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 8:56 PM CST reply actions  

Wow....
Wallace has 4 of the Bulls first 6 pts?

WTF?    :-)

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 8:56 PM CST reply actions  

I'm trying to get the audio feed
and it keeps saying the game has not started.  Yet, there's a score up.  Weird.  And irritating.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 8:57 PM CST reply actions  

I'm stuck at work.
Which is at least 75% of the reason for my bad mood.  The GS feed is going, just not the Chicago.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions  

They're actually alright.
I kind of like audio feeds, with all the description.

And I can listen and work (although I'm not getting much done with checking here so often!), but if I watch I know I'll get nothing done.

"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 9:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I am getting that message too.
So annoying.  I can listen to the other team's local radio if I have to I guess.  It comes up fine on NBA.com.  I just would rather not.

by cranscape on Jan 18, 2008 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

why would nelly TO
an auto one comes up at next dead ball

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 9:00 PM CST reply actions  

He must be
getting his scoring out of the way early
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 9:00 PM CST reply actions  

as well as Wallace started
they need to get TT or Noah in there against the zone.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 9:07 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed.
More speed and energy....
Maybe even a little out-of-controled-ness....  

:-)

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 9:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Effective guard play
Kirk is out so there's less dribbling and more passes keeping everyone alert.  

Maybe someone? Thabo? can run the offensive more, and the guards can interchange PG/SG duties throughout the games.  

Also Gordon needs to focus on less dribbling and more on catch and shoot.  Gordon needs to develop a inside slash using high floaters & extended early release underhanded kiss shots off the backboard.

Gordon needs to reduce his use of excessive dribbing to find a rythmn putting up difficult outside shots and/or drives to the basket where he just elevates like a midget with two hands and places the ball into the hands of the taller post defended for a easy block and a no call.

Both Kirk and Ben layup timing is a bit off, both need to extend earlier(burst of speed), and release earlier before the defender can time the block.  If there was a combined statistic for guards on a team being blocked on drives, Kirk and Ben probably would win.

This really has little to do with their height? Rarely do you see other short guys like Nash or Chris Paul shots blocked as often.  But also, Nash can shoot with either hand, he's fearless  inside among shot blockers, and is crafty using either hand with a subtle delayed (2 speed) timing which throws off the shot blocker.  

Actually Kirk inside drive was better in previous years and he had an effective floater which now seems to be non-existent?  

Gordon and Kirk have not progressed in this part of their game as one would have expected?  These ("timid") guys don't appear to like the physical part of playing in the NBA.  In regards to driving to the basket, Duhon and Thabo have them both beat.

by exult463 on Jan 18, 2008 9:11 PM CST reply actions  

Gordon and Kirk have not progressed
I'll say again -
I believe that Kirk and Thabo together to start will be JUST THE TICKET.
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

you're like a poor man's
NBA Observer.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Why?
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

forgot this
:-^)
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Someone needs to step on Jackson's left foot
Maybe Noah can come down on it going for a rebound...   LOL
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 9:18 PM CST reply actions  

didn't we have fouls to give?
ugh....good that we scored 29...more not good that we gave up 28

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 9:19 PM CST reply actions  

Duhon
Is getting abused like an old donkey.

Ellis is blowing by him and shooting over him. Then when he picks up jackson in transition, they go right down to the post. Duhon getting beat so badly is also causing defense to rotate to compensate leaving lanes for other cutters.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 18, 2008 9:20 PM CST reply actions  

I'm still at work
How do they look?
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 9:21 PM CST reply actions  

Bummer you're at work
when the game is on in Iowa.  ;)
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm hoping
To be leaving in a few minutes
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Good luck with that
No one should have to be at work on the Friday before a 3 day weekend.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

That is part of the reason
I am here. One of the benefits of government contract work
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

HAHAHA!!!!
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 18, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

good so far
shooting is great, defense could be a little tighter.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I just hope
Thabo and Noah get to play meaningful minutes
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I never know
if you're pulling my leg
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

my bad
;-)
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

No problem
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Bulls
better play some D.I don't think we can outshoot them.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 18, 2008 9:23 PM CST reply actions  

WOW!!
WHAT A PASS from Noah!!!
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 9:24 PM CST reply actions  

why is noch covering ellis?
or is noch covering barnes and it was a switch with thabo on ellis normally?

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 9:25 PM CST reply actions  

NOah
Gordom,Thabo,Noce,Deng.I like this line up!
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 18, 2008 9:25 PM CST reply actions  

I was thinking that, too.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

And TT
for Deng.It is fun.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 18, 2008 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I Just hope that this isn't another night
where Boylan "forgets" about TT...
He needs to be in there at some point too...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 9:26 PM CST reply actions  

And just like that...
...here comes TT!

Now I just hope he's dialed in tonight

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 9:27 PM CST up reply actions  

what was that about
TT and boxing out?
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 9:29 PM CST reply actions  

Did they just say
that TT has TWO fouls already?
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

looks like I was wrong
the must have called out of bounds on one of those.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Well that sucketh.
But at least Boylan left him in, which I think is the right move.

He just needs to play, regardless...

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 9:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Oddly backwards for these two teams, no?
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he'll come around
if given the minutes.

But he may not get that chance.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

He didn't exactly get extended minutes
He had a bad 3 minutes, but what does that really show?

by JeffD on Jan 18, 2008 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

what does that really show?
that he needs more minutes to get into his groove...
Hopefully he will.
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

tonight
he was able to illustrate the boxing out thing very nicely in only three minutes.  Does BG need three minutes to show how good a shooter he is?  Does Noc need three minutes to show he is a bull in a china shop?  (Ok, Ben Wallace takes three minutes to get a rebound, but isn't everybody clamoring for him to play less?)
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think
there was 1 rebound that he would have gotten by boxing out.  They were all long rebounds.

Ben Gordon has never gone 3 minutes without showing how good a shooter he is?  (and 1 rebound every 3 minutes would be an improvement for Wallace)

by JeffD on Jan 18, 2008 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

I think you need to take another look
his first or second possession there were two boards that he should have gotten.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

That
he didn't play 3 good minutes
Global warming? Bench Wallace and start Noah.

by Rusty LaRue on Jan 18, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

The guy
comes in and picks up two fouls in about a minute and a  half which is entirely in keeping with how he's played  the last ten games or so and you don't  think it shows anything??  Holy fuck.
Global warming? Bench Wallace and start Noah.

by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 5:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Get Rebounds!
Warriors not shooting well and got 3 rebounds in one possesion.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 18, 2008 9:34 PM CST reply actions  

Warriors
0-13 in the second so far!
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 18, 2008 9:35 PM CST reply actions  

they're going to change that to a 2
he had a foot on the line i thought

god the dubs look terrible from 3

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 9:35 PM CST reply actions  

Pistons lost to the Kings
so tomorrow night we will get another team coming off a loss in a game they think they should have won.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 9:36 PM CST reply actions  

so i defend Tyrus earlier
re: defensive rebounding and he does that, i think he's done for the game
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 18, 2008 9:39 PM CST reply actions  

if Noc picks up a few quick fouls
TT will get another shot
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 9:41 PM CST up reply actions  

No, I want TT to get minutes.
Regardless of sir chuck-a-lot Noc.
Don't get me wrong...I like it when Noc plays well and he has been as of late.

But I really wanna see TT develop and gain some genuine confidence.
And the only way that's gonna happen is if he gets to play MEANINGFUL minutes.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

So
When Noc is cold you want TT to play?  Good.  Noc just isn't cold tonight.  Perhaps another game.  IMO, we need Noc to be hot tonight more than we need TT to figure out what he is doing.  GS can really rack up the points and we need to bank our own.

by cranscape on Jan 18, 2008 9:52 PM CST up reply actions  

if Wallace keeps shooting 3's
TT might get in, too.  Just trying to give some hope.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 9:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Noc is shooting well tonight
I'd rather have him out there than TT at the moment.  

by cranscape on Jan 18, 2008 9:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Noc is playing great tonight
I don't want him get fouls.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 18, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

WTF is Wallace doing
shooting a 3?
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 9:41 PM CST reply actions  

Wallace for 3!!!
Ummm miss :-)
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 18, 2008 9:41 PM CST reply actions  

what ever happended to
zarko cabarkapa

did the dubs release him bc they had biedrins, or bc he was always injured

i always thought he looked like the european paul shirley

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 9:41 PM CST reply actions  

any chance of an ESPN P2P link
that's Not in chinese?

by Seth @ Blog a Bull on Jan 18, 2008 9:42 PM CST reply actions  

Get This
I'm from Chicago. I live in West Lafayette, Indiana and go to Purdue. My roommates pay for basic basic cable, which is completely worthless (because I hate TV), but they're such fucking hillbillies I still have to chip in for the utilities because they like to watch Will and Grace, or whatever. So I don't get WGN-Local but I do get the inferior nat'l WGN which has fewer NBA games. And It doesn't have ESPN. And I have leaguepass but, guess what, the last couple games (e.g Bulls/Heat have been ESPN despite the bulls sucking it up.) Last year, I had ESPN but not WGN. I can't catch a break.

by Seth @ Blog a Bull on Jan 18, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions  

from one Boilermaker to another
I've had that problem in the past, I am in Iowa and I can only get them on the Super WGN or ESPN/ESPN2 because of my provider. BOILER UP
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

It's good that you add
"because of my provider" otherwise Sue would
kill ya!:-)
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 18, 2008 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope
Sue sees it
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL
I saw it.  :-)
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 18, 2008 11:48 PM CST up reply actions  

you could have the chinese muted
with the radio feed on?

or just go with the feed...nothing wrong with neil and bill

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 9:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I do that.
I can get ESPN in crystal clear BW without sound on a station that shouldn't be coming in. I either turn the mute on and read the subtitles or turn the radio on.  Works fine for me.  I was doing that for a while tonight before I noticed that it was on CSN which I do get.  I thought it was only on ESPN tonight. At least I realized it sooner rather than later.

by cranscape on Jan 18, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Unfortunately
The Bulls radio feed doesn't work, So I'd have to listen to the Golden State feed... with a Delay in the video (so, I know whether a shot is going to fall before I see it). Which is frustrating, also. An all-around frustrating viewer experience.  

by Seth @ Blog a Bull on Jan 18, 2008 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know what they've been sacrificing
in the locker room, but this shooting/scoring streak is awesome.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 9:44 PM CST reply actions  

That was sweet!
BG chases the ball to half court....the defender just stands back at the arch, so BG runs it back up at him and stops - pops the 3 - and SWISH!

Nice.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 9:48 PM CST reply actions  

john salmons
was dominant with the post up move in nba live 06

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 9:48 PM CST reply actions  

No kidding...geesh...
Boylan SHOULD sit Wallace for a bit...

AND DID YOU SEE THAT RUNNING STUFF BY BG!??!

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Hack a Ben
Global warming? Bench Wallace and start Noah.

by Rusty LaRue on Jan 18, 2008 9:51 PM CST reply actions  

du and wllace come in
and the bulls lead melts away

by alec on Jan 18, 2008 9:52 PM CST reply actions  

HOLY SHIT!
JIZZLE DUNKED....

like a real dunk

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 9:53 PM CST reply actions  

Gordon
cant dunk?
Global warming? Bench Wallace and start Noah.

by Rusty LaRue on Jan 18, 2008 9:53 PM CST reply actions  

nice pass
time to wipe your hands on your shorts

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 9:54 PM CST reply actions  

Just once I'd like to see
the "Kids" in to finish off the first half
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 9:54 PM CST reply actions  

The GS guys are funny
griping about Noc flopping
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 9:55 PM CST reply actions  

TWO nights in a row
the Bulls have played well.
Even inspired....
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 9:57 PM CST reply actions  

At least
most of them seem interested in the game.  Just a few games ago that wasn't the case - on the bench or on the court.

by cranscape on Jan 18, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Looks good
but this is the Warriors pace.  I wonder if they can keep up all
game
Global warming? Bench Wallace and start Noah.

by Rusty LaRue on Jan 18, 2008 9:59 PM CST reply actions  

They're
not athletic enough to play up tempo  every night.  I wish they were 'cause it's a lot of fun to watch.
Global warming? Bench Wallace and start Noah.

by Rusty LaRue on Jan 18, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

the bulls are 10 guys deep
it doesn't matter how athletic they are, they can sub.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

You're
not suggesting that  who you sub isn't important are you??
Everyone in the league is 10 deep in one fashion or another but you can't run teams outta the building without the right people and the Bulls don't have that team
Global warming? Bench Wallace and start Noah.

by Rusty LaRue on Jan 19, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Anybody else think
that the whole "BG off the bench kills the offense" was misguided at best.  Or is it too early for that?  I know it will be a big step for some of you.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 10:00 PM CST reply actions  

The thing I'm sick of at this point
is the continual discussion (not us, the talking heads) about how great the bench scoring is - obviously, with BG and Noc coming off the bench, they should be outscoring most team's benches.  
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

That stat
was just on screen
TMD- http://playahatersblog.blogspot.com

by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 10:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I was all for BG coming off the bench
I mean it worked in the past, and it has definately worked again.

BG may not be qualified to start, simply because of his sloppy ball handling.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Noc
Is probably the best "one handed shooter" in the league.

The guy always seems to let go of the ball only using one hand.

The left hand is always dropped

by Option27 on Jan 18, 2008 10:02 PM CST reply actions  

this is going to be a hard game to
close out!!  Dont come out flat...
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 18, 2008 10:07 PM CST reply actions  

I hope there won't be
"Third quarter collapse".
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 18, 2008 10:08 PM CST reply actions  

observations
Duhon needs to sit tonight. I obviously don't have the plus minus in front of me at the uc, but I would almost bet my left nut that the plus minus for the thabo gordon backcourt is far better than the plus minus for the gordon duhon backcourt. Duhon is a defensive liability tonight and an offensive nullity.thabo should on the court. He is doing a great job.  

Gordon still pounds it way too much and makes crap passes.

I guess I like the zone switchup, but the bulls did get fortunate because the wars missed a lot of open threes.

Period when both tyrus and noah were getting pinched under the baskets, allowing too many war rebounds.

More thabo, less duhon.

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by 1958ChiTown on Jan 18, 2008 10:09 PM CST reply actions  

Right now, nba.com has them at:
Thabo +10
BG +7
Du -1
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Easily
one of kirk's top 5 games this season
Pax on, Pax off!

by Beef Wennington on Jan 18, 2008 10:10 PM CST reply actions  

im excited for the
thabo kirk backcourt
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 18, 2008 10:13 PM CST up reply actions  

me too
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 18, 2008 10:15 PM CST up reply actions  

WOWZIE!!!
Please continue to play well in the second half and hope GS's pissy shooting continues.  :-)

Nice dunk by BG. Thabo is looking good again too.

Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 18, 2008 10:13 PM CST reply actions  

Deng
Is getting hot
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 10:19 PM CST reply actions  

Thabo
THABO! Getting it done
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 10:24 PM CST reply actions  

Did they just say 4 team fouls on GS already?
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 10:25 PM CST reply actions  

how was that a no call
I heard that slap on Deng in the garage.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 10:25 PM CST reply actions  

One thing is evident:
Thabo appears to handle the ball better than the other guards.
And I think that is only going to improve.
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 10:25 PM CST reply actions  

I agree
I am ready to see Kirk and Thabo play together
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Honestly, no
But I remember him hitting them occasionally.  At least often enough that people felt the need to guard him.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

It's time for some subs
Let's see the kids again
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 10:28 PM CST reply actions  

We maybe
shooting a lot of free throws. I think GS is in the penalty
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 10:28 PM CST reply actions  

sheeeeet
i like the zone call with jizzle....takes away alot of his defensive liability

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 10:28 PM CST reply actions  

we need to finish them
like Miami
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 18, 2008 10:29 PM CST reply actions  

Warriors are starting to hack now,
making the officials call the fouls, but they can't call them all (in theory).

by marionette on Jan 18, 2008 10:33 PM CST reply actions  

GS
Is starting to shoot lights out
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Come on Bulls
Du needs to sit...he's gettin' burned left and right
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 10:34 PM CST reply actions  

Shooting % going the wrong direction
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 10:35 PM CST reply actions  

They get "physical"
and the other team (Bulls) doesn't get the whistle, so they start looking for the contact. Hearing the footsteps causes lower concentration/FG%.

by marionette on Jan 18, 2008 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

get duh outta there
put thabo in  he looks for a shot and plays better defense

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 10:36 PM CST reply actions  

not good
B. Davis looks like he is just waiting for his time
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 18, 2008 10:36 PM CST reply actions  

Got to hit the boards
on this, the worst rebounding team in the NBA.

by marionette on Jan 18, 2008 10:37 PM CST reply actions  

I sure hope not
Davis is taking over
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Get
Du out of there. THABO! We want you back
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 10:40 PM CST reply actions  

WTF is Du-NOT still in there?
These are the things that drive me nuts about Boylan and remind me of Skiles
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 10:41 PM CST reply actions  

b-diddy is killing
Looks like we are in for a barn barner.  If we can slow down barron for a little bit.

by Ibleedbullsred on Jan 18, 2008 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

SHYTE.
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 10:41 PM CST reply actions  

Thank you BG
for stopping the bleeding
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 10:43 PM CST reply actions  

wow that was a late call
bulls need to keep going strong to the hole, or BG to keep draining 3's...
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 10:44 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, even with 5 of the misses on BW
I'm really wishing we had some of those 9 misses back.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 10:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Time
for us to go on a run
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 10:45 PM CST reply actions  

ugh i can see why mavs fans go crazy
26 points decent...giving up 34  not soo good

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 10:46 PM CST reply actions  

Baron Davis is getting RED hot
because Thabo isn't guarding him like he was to start the game.

What I don't understand is how Boylan can't see that too...?

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 10:46 PM CST reply actions  

It might be too late
for Thabo to cool him now kids...

by marionette on Jan 18, 2008 10:46 PM CST reply actions  

One quarter for all the marbles.
I'd feel better if GS wasn't starting to knock 'em down, especially from 3.  And they've got lots of guys with 3 fouls, but no one with 4.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 10:47 PM CST reply actions  

He's frickin' 6 of 7 from 3!
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Come on Bulls!
Play fourth Q like second!Finish the game!
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 18, 2008 10:47 PM CST reply actions  

Hate to keep harping on the fouls
but we were in the bonus with 7:12 left, and didn't really take advantage.

by marionette on Jan 18, 2008 10:50 PM CST reply actions  

"Magic" is rare, obviously
But I feel like we have less than most teams.

by Seth @ Blog a Bull on Jan 18, 2008 10:52 PM CST reply actions  

Thank you
Noce
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 10:53 PM CST reply actions  

Nice pass by Thabo to Noc
for the threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 10:53 PM CST reply actions  

I picked Thabo up for fantasy
to cover till Kirk gets back - and hopefully Thabo will keep getting minutes and I'll just hold onto him.  Anyway, feeling pretty good about that one.  :)
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Noah
Is all over the boards
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 10:54 PM CST reply actions  

noah is cleaning up the boards nicely
granted these are the dubs

noch's shot was ridic

dubs should be in the penalty the rest of the way through

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 10:55 PM CST reply actions  

I LOVE Noah's rebounding
He's been making Wallace look like a slug....
Maybe that's why HE'S in and BW is out...?
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 10:55 PM CST reply actions  

I can only hope
That's the story for the rest of the game

Something tells me you'll see Body in there soon though

by Option27 on Jan 18, 2008 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

But he's gonna tire soon.
Not used to these mins.

C'MON JO!!!!!!!

by marionette on Jan 18, 2008 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

And Nelson
will use that tactics to foul him every time possible.So Boylan(thanks God)got that.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 18, 2008 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

If it makes you guys feel better
the GS radio guys think the refs are full of BS, too.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 10:56 PM CST reply actions  

it doesn't
the bulls haven't gotten any calls since that out of bounds call against milwaukee.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

They can't BELIEVE BDavis isn't getting calls
They want the handchecks on BG called.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

fools gold...gonna rush out to see that
rush...gold....get it?

ps i thought the refs were calling an excellent game until the 4th

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 10:57 PM CST reply actions  

nice tip
thabo!
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 18, 2008 10:58 PM CST reply actions  

good shit
Noah
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 18, 2008 11:00 PM CST reply actions  

We've missed 12 of them tonight
Still shooting better from the field than the line!
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

GS radio guys
are picking on Noah for being excited about that offensive rebound.  Said something about him acting like he just won the NCAA championship.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 11:00 PM CST reply actions  

Noah
has won more championship than anyone on GS
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 11:02 PM CST up reply actions  

How about Davis and Jackson???
And they cry  cry  cry on all the plays that don't go their way.

by marionette on Jan 18, 2008 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Noah's horrible on the line tonight
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 18, 2008 11:01 PM CST reply actions  

Another one of those guys
U love to have on your team but hate to face

by Option27 on Jan 18, 2008 11:01 PM CST reply actions  

Me, too
I really WANT to believe in the team, but with the season we've had so far...
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 11:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Luol
Does any SF who slashes to the hoop get fewer calls than Deng? Brutal.
Sweet Home Sports

by james@lifeinthecell on Jan 18, 2008 11:04 PM CST reply actions  

Deng never goes HARD to the basket!
This is why he doesn't get many calls.  He shouldn't.  When he drives to the basket, he's trying to avoid contact.  Simply put Deng is a soft player.  You gotta go hard!  But that will never happen because Deng is a  PUSSY!
Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Jan 19, 2008 1:27 AM CST up reply actions  

its #3
behind Jamiroquai front man Jay Kay's hat and baron's bullet fedora

Bullshit on the block

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 11:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Du's back in?
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 11:07 PM CST reply actions  

DAMN IT NOC
you gotta plant your feet!
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 11:07 PM CST reply actions  

That was the right call
as Van Gun sed, but it's rarely made that way these days

by marionette on Jan 18, 2008 11:17 PM CST up reply actions  

one shit pass for thabo
And they bring duhon back.

Stupid.

Now davis will abuse du and ellis will abuse gordon. No perimeter d.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 18, 2008 11:08 PM CST reply actions  

cant let em score...100 is the benchmark
remember 3 years ago when we didnt allow 100 points for like a month?

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 11:08 PM CST reply actions  

Tyrus Thomas!!!
Two awesome fouls in two spectacular minutes!!!
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 18, 2008 11:09 PM CST reply actions  

Man, could there be more evidence
this BS is in his head now? He is so pressing....

by marionette on Jan 18, 2008 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

We have got
to hit our free throws
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 11:09 PM CST reply actions  

get a stop!!
seriously
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 18, 2008 11:09 PM CST reply actions  

Well
Having Duhon back in for Thabo pretty much opens up the court for Davis to go nuts.

I expect that will happen.

And these refs seem intent on the calls going in favor of GS

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 11:10 PM CST reply actions  

3 and one's in a row
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 18, 2008 11:10 PM CST reply actions  

I know Deng is good and all...
...but does Boylan want to break him? Does he not realize guys can't go this much? Except for a select few in the league... Sheesh. The dude had to sit out the shootaround. Tyrus can't be THIS bad!!!
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 18, 2008 11:10 PM CST reply actions  

Davis killing us
Du...No O no D.
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 18, 2008 11:11 PM CST reply actions  

Uh Oh
This feels like it is falling apart.

by BoxingHideout on Jan 18, 2008 11:11 PM CST reply actions  

And then the traditional BG run down the lane
and missing a lay up.

COME ON Boylan...call a TO, slow the pace, and put Thabo back in

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 11:12 PM CST reply actions  

Got away with one but dam the ball never lies.
missed free throw, as I am typing this van gundy says it fu JEFF

by Ibleedbullsred on Jan 18, 2008 11:13 PM CST reply actions  

this is a horrible
officiated game on both ends, the deng charge and the noc coming back in and touching the ball
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by tyrus4prez on Jan 18, 2008 11:13 PM CST reply actions  

Okay so what now...
Thabo is back in, but DU is still in too?
WTF?

DAMN IT!!!

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 11:14 PM CST reply actions  

Help me Thabo
You're our only hope
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 11:14 PM CST reply actions  

WTF with free throws???????
We would win this game by 15 if we make them.Damn!!!
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 18, 2008 11:14 PM CST reply actions  

why is duh in and not jizzle
boylan(d)* better be playing off def switch

at least the (black)hawks won tonight

*i doubt this will catch on

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 11:14 PM CST reply actions  

"thats a no call or a block"
or a charge Jeffy!!Finish them plzzz
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 18, 2008 11:14 PM CST reply actions  

Does anyone have a little hero in them tonight?
I'm just sick over the 14 missed free throws.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 11:16 PM CST reply actions  

was that a travel?
thank you Noc!!
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 18, 2008 11:18 PM CST reply actions  

Finally
We get a call.
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 11:18 PM CST reply actions  

I've just learned that these fouls
are "incidental to real basketball."  It's amazing what you learn from the other team's feed.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 11:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope
we will hear "Hit the road Jack" few more times for GS>
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 18, 2008 11:18 PM CST reply actions  

Oh SHYTE
Why isn't Noah in??

And then Noc saves it back to GS...

Grrr...

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 11:19 PM CST reply actions  

Thabo and BG
Need to be in
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 11:20 PM CST reply actions  

Wow
Fucked up call there again

by RogersPark Kris on Jan 18, 2008 11:20 PM CST reply actions  

Come on Boylan
Pull your head out....
Put Thabo in with BG and LEAVE them in
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 11:22 PM CST reply actions  

played that pefectly....
its who u want shooting but really

FUCK FUCK FUCK

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 11:23 PM CST reply actions  

Miles!
Is there a league pass feed anywhere?
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 18, 2008 11:23 PM CST reply actions  

thabo standing in the corner, on the bench
What the hell, u got du in you got to help, result three for sjax

by Ibleedbullsred on Jan 18, 2008 11:23 PM CST reply actions  

Dagger in the back by Jackson
Someone should have stepped on his left foot earlier...

I can't stand that asshole

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 11:23 PM CST reply actions  

CRUCIAL
used final timeout

That will haunt us

by Option27 on Jan 18, 2008 11:25 PM CST reply actions  

Well, we played
good D, got Davis airball. They gave Smith layup. Smith stuffed 'em on D, but they got rewarded....Bad d by them w/ BG getting AZbuike in air....Finally a slight breakdown....and they're in driver's seat!

by marionette on Jan 18, 2008 11:26 PM CST reply actions  

I guess I'm glad Van Gundy isn't our coach
Here we go folks...yet another loss...
Scripted once again for BG, and he'll either turn it over or dribble the clock down and then miss.

Boaylan clearly has no balls to try something new.
He even has Du in with BG while Thabo sits

F.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 11:26 PM CST reply actions  

He never does
and neither does BG
or Du
or Deng
or (you pick the name)

0 - 16 when giving up 100 pts.

Yet another hearbreak

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 11:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you kidding?
BG was killing at the end there. He had some nice moves, the lean-in for 2 shots, [I think he drained a 3?], the pass at the end was good except it got dropped.
Everyone else ... yeeeeah. And now, we know why he wasn't passing to anyone and forcing up 3 balls, before.

by Prevenge on Jan 18, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

a typical bulls game
can't finish the game, should of put them away in the 3rd when we had a chance...disgutsing
I vote for Thomas to play, play more and play regularly.-Sam Smith

by tyrus4prez on Jan 18, 2008 11:28 PM CST reply actions  

Silver line
Thabo deservs to play EVERY NIGHT!
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 18, 2008 11:28 PM CST reply actions  

Noah and Thabo
had another very solid game.

Looking for positives here.

by RogersPark Kris on Jan 18, 2008 11:28 PM CST reply actions  

Well, it's been a lovely evening with you all
Tough way to end it.  Maybe tomorrow night...
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 11:29 PM CST reply actions  

This sucks
Duhon needs to go
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 11:29 PM CST reply actions  

he doesnt neeed to go
this was just a rough matchup, and he was used poorly....

duh would be a fantastic trade bait for a late first round pick...and he's always going to be good for some games where he can spell kirk

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Baron Davis is a tough guard
for anyone. Difficult decision since if they were to bring in Thabo for defense, he may be turnover prone on offense.

So Boylan rolled the dice on the more sure handed Duhon in the closing minutes.

by RogersPark Kris on Jan 18, 2008 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Typical Bulls game
stay close and lose a heartbreaker =(

by Option27 on Jan 18, 2008 11:29 PM CST reply actions  

omg
Boylan is a dumb motherfucker. Duhon is getting us killed. They just run their fucking offense through davis in the post. Just now, he overpowered dufuck, drew a double team, and kicked it out for a killer three

Why did boylan abandon the the thabo ben backcourt. Why why why why why why why why why why. It was effective all game. We pissed away the lead at the end of the third with that shit ben du backcourt.

That dumb cunt strategy down the stretch cost us this game. Boylan is a fucking moron. A moron.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 18, 2008 11:29 PM CST reply actions  

Agree
We have nice talented guys.We need good coach.
Why can't coach do so Obvious things that every
fan sees????
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 18, 2008 11:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Apologies for the
profuse profanity above.

I posted from my seats and I was infuriated.

There was no point in firing Skiles because Boylan is the same sort of conservative coward.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 19, 2008 12:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Good night
See you tomorrow night
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by TMD on Jan 18, 2008 11:30 PM CST reply actions  

not that im looking ahead...
Next Years Lineup

Kirk
Drafted Big Guard
Deng
Joe Smith
Noah

Du, Thabo, Jizzle, Noch, Free Money, Big Ben as our 2nd team

OR

Kirk
Thabo
Deng
Smith
Noah

Du, Jizzle, Noch, Free Money, Big Ben, and Kevin Love as our 2nd team

those are pretty good....

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 11:31 PM CST reply actions  

draft express and nba draft have him going
15-20 range

but forget love...kid's only 6'9   i have no idea how he demolished state in our game, besides having the refs back him up on all of his travels

we would be better going after hibbert, thabeet, or lopez

by milesgmsu on Jan 18, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Boozer and Brand
are also 6'9 and look at them.

You put Love next to Noah and you'll have one hell of a future front court

by Option27 on Jan 18, 2008 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah....Love is the white version of Marcus Fizer
Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Jan 19, 2008 1:17 AM CST up reply actions  

flippin yahoo
says he only played 22 min.  I hate yahoo.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Combine
Duhon, Tyrus, Noc and Wallace for Gasol and someone else

by Option27 on Jan 18, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

It's easy to be pissed at Du,
but I'm more pissed he was put in that situation - I wouldn't expect him to be able to defend B Davis all night, and I also don't expect him to have enough offense to offset that.

But I'm also pissed at Lu, Noah, and BW each missing 4 free throws.  Otherwise the shooting was good.

"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 18, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions  

You can't be pissed at a player
unless they are stupid or not trying, but it doesn't change the fact that he sucks.

It is Boylan's fault for playing him.

by JeffD on Jan 18, 2008 11:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Thabo and Noah are starting to look
productive, just imagine if Tyrus was given a chance as well.

by philosoball on Jan 18, 2008 11:40 PM CST reply actions  

Y'know, if Thabo keeps this up
it's gonna make Pax look pretty good on that pick.

by alec on Jan 18, 2008 11:43 PM CST reply actions  

But it'll make Pax look worse for letting his
interim coach get away with not playing Thabo to make room for Duhon when Hinrich returns.

by snley on Jan 19, 2008 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

what's the first rule of newspapers?
don't believe everything you read.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 19, 2008 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

du, refs, and free throw shooting
killed the game for us.

du played 34 minutes for a wonderful -17.
the officiating was awful.
and if we had even made a few more of those free throws, we could have avoided the ending.

blah.

by Jaina on Jan 18, 2008 11:43 PM CST reply actions  

All an opposing team has to do tp beat the Bulls
is watch tape.
Stupid Boylan runs the same players and the same shit at the end of every game.
Skiles did the same thing.

I think that no matter WHO the Bulls get for players - unless they replace Boylan too - it will still result in heartbreak losses like this one.

With the player they already have, the Bulls could have and SHOULD have beaten GS tonight.

It was coaching, horrible calls, and missed FT's that lost this game.

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 18, 2008 11:46 PM CST reply actions  

Does Boylan realize that Tyrus has
a positive +/- rating in his career. He's being treated like a game killer.

by philosoball on Jan 18, 2008 11:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Poor Tyrus. What's happening
with him is criminal. He needs to be able to slow it down, let the game come to him. Instead of pressing and feeling he's got to make something happen in his 2 or 3 minutes.

Poor us, the fans.

by marionette on Jan 19, 2008 4:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Anyone remember Dengs' game in fourth?
Did he disappear again?
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 18, 2008 11:50 PM CST reply actions  

Shitty FT shooting
has killed this team so much this season. That is horrible.

Noah should be called The Rebounder from now on. He was awesome. Thabo did well too.

Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 18, 2008 11:54 PM CST reply actions  

Why does Noah get so much
crap for getting excited? Don't lots of players including former Bull Tyson Chandler and current Bulls screamer Noc act pretty much the same?

by philosoball on Jan 18, 2008 11:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know
but I love seeing him show so much emotion.
Yes, the game is on in Iowa.

by sue369 on Jan 18, 2008 11:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Coulda won...Shoulda won...
Deserved to win? I think so. I'm haunted by a late BG drive that (typically) parted GSW defense. I think it was lefty; I know it was on the left side....BDavis had just scored and the game was in the balance, but Ben missed the gimme.

I don't know if it would have been this close with Kirk healthy (sorry Sue). I'd sure like to see the rematch with Kirk for Du. NO DU PT!!!! It's not that he's bad; it's that he was physically overmatched against an Western Conference All-Star caliber PG. All VERY predictable.

But they say there are no moral victories. Did anyone else notice Noah w/his head buried in anguish? Then ESPN cut to Wallace with a towel on his head, looking quite carefree.

by marionette on Jan 19, 2008 12:10 AM CST reply actions  

Where can I get gameflow?
LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 19, 2008 12:15 AM CST reply actions  

Would you do me a favor?
Compare the various combinations of Thabo, Duhon, and BG.  My feeling from watching is that any combination with BG was decidedly worse than Thabo/Duhon

by hlac on Jan 19, 2008 12:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Considering Duhon was -17
I think he was the weak link.

(Gordon -8, Sefalosha +9)

by JeffD on Jan 19, 2008 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

You know, you can easily look this stuff up
Lenovo stats on nba.com gives you all sorts of combinations for the previous game, the season, or a couple of other splits.

Last night:
BG/Thabo +9
Du/Thabo 0
BG/Du -17

"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Jan 19, 2008 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

basketballvalue
has raw plus-minus for every 5 man unit.

http://basketballvalue.com/teamunits.php?year=2007-2008&team=CHI

Anyway, hlac likes WoW, and that made Gordon look bad even when he was 1a in plus-minus rating last season. WoW is crap.

Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Jan 19, 2008 11:27 AM CST up reply actions  

And yeah, Tyrus played poorly
in his two minutes. Both of his fouls were a result of scrambling for rebounds, so I can't be too hard on him.

In any case, it's pretty clear his confidence is gone. He is a shell of the player he was last year. He's been disheartened and ruined.

This season is basically over. Playing the veterans so we can have a .500 record in the remainder of our games is a boring, futile way to pass the time.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 19, 2008 12:26 AM CST reply actions  

Before we go crazy
We missed 14 of 36 FTA.  Deng and Noah missed 8.  That's mostly why we lost, but the executed better down the stretch.  And by executed I mean threw the ball around and shot contested layups and open threes.
"There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur

by cubbybear on Jan 19, 2008 12:47 AM CST reply actions  

Yes, we missed free throws.
You are indisputably correct.

But I am not giving Boylan and DuDuDummy a pass.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 19, 2008 12:50 AM CST up reply actions  

I just thought criticism of Duhon
was implied by commenting on Bulls basketball.  I should be more clear.
"There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur

by cubbybear on Jan 19, 2008 2:16 AM CST up reply actions  

The thing is
as much as I don't like Duhon, it's not his fault necessarily if Boylan's the one throwing him in there for 34 minutes.  It's not that he's not trying.  He's just not good enough to warrant those minutes especially in last night's game where the matchup didn't favor him (not that many do).  Even though it's tough to argue with his 8:1 ast/to ratio... that's about all he does well.

by Jaina on Jan 19, 2008 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

he still has a high TOV%
higher than Gordon's, and he can't shoot. Assists aren't very important.
Fire Boylan!

by hscs on Jan 19, 2008 11:44 AM CST up reply actions  

As I said
that's the only stat that favors him. I was only defending him in the way that he was out there that long by Boylan's choice, not his own. I'm not a huge fan of the guy so I'd rather see him on the bench as I see him a detriment most of the time.

by Jaina on Jan 19, 2008 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Fuck you, Jim Boylan
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-080118chicago_bulls_kirk_hinrich, 1,1865189.story?coll=cs_tab01_layout

Despite Sefolosha's improvement, Boylan said there are no plans to start him in place of Chris Duhon when Hinrich returns.

"I'm happy with the way things are going right now," Boylan said. " 'CDu' is doing a good job for us. We'll cross that bridge when we get to it."

Yeah, things have been going so great lately.  After all, they've only been blown out twice in the past week.

by Big D on Jan 19, 2008 12:51 AM CST reply actions  

Jackass
But what we expect from him?He's just a Skiles' shadow.Does Duhon do massage or something to coaches for playing time?
"YES,WE CAN!"-B.OBAMA.

by Azabullsfan on Jan 19, 2008 1:48 AM CST up reply actions  

With the exception of the Pistons, have the
Bulls beaten a good team this year?

I am so fired up.

15-23.

LSU 38 OHIO STATE 24 - LSU IS THE NATIONAL CHAMPION AND I AM THE KING OF BOURBON STREET!!

by 1958ChiTown on Jan 19, 2008 1:04 AM CST reply actions  

Oh yeah,
Any coach with a set would have immediately benched Ben Wallace after he shot that 3 in the 2nd quarter.  What the fuck was that?  That was worse than anything Tyrus Thomas has ever done in a game.  Was he trying to show everyone watching on national TV that he can do anything he wants as a Bull?

by Big D on Jan 19, 2008 2:14 AM CST reply actions  

What more needs to be seen?
Thabo is probably the best point guard on this team.  Start the guy, and then you can afford to start Gordon at the 2.  Whether it's from a lack of confidence or just a deferential nature, Thabo clearly has the "pass-first" mentality as the main ballhandler.  He can guard 2's on defense better than Kirk can.  At some point, if the Bulls actually intend to keep Gordon long-term, you have to start him with a big guard.  We already know what Kirk Hinrich is.  He's the Shane Battier of combo guards.

by messwiththebull on Jan 19, 2008 8:13 AM CST reply actions  

Negative.
BG is not now and may never be a starting guard, simply because he is too clumsy, his hands are too small and he's too short.

He is playing his best role right now and his points confirm it - and it has been proven TWICE now since he did the same thing LAST time he came off the bench.

We have NOT seen what Kirk and Thabo will be like starting together, and I believe it would be a good fit.
And after all, isn't that why they got Thabo in the first place...to add some height and strength to the 2G position along with Kirk?

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 19, 2008 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

ageed.
This tandem has to get minutes together to determine if it works?  Surely Boylan knows this?

Duhon isn't the future nor is he lighting up the box scores.

by exult463 on Jan 19, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Just Frustrating
It's very frustrating watching this team not be able to put teams away, we have always lacked that killer instinct!!  

Going all the way back to Game 6 of the '05 Playoffs when we built the double digit lead over Washington only to watch it and the season disappear.

Let's see some of the leads we have blown.

@Mil led by 12 in 2nd, lost by 6
LAC  led by 4 with mins to go, lost by 5 I believe
@Ind led by 16 in the 2nd, gave it away by halftime
Orl  led by double digits early, led by 4 with a min to go, lost in OT
Por  led by 14 in the 3rd, gone by the start of the 4th, lost in double OT
NY   led by 14 early in the 4th, led by 7 with 5 mins to go, once again lost the lead & the game
GS   led by 14 at one point, once again, rinse, repeat

If this team falls into the lottery, seeming more likely after each game, I hope out of the draft this year, we can find a closer, someone who will drive the dagger into the heart!!!

 

by BullsAttitude on Jan 19, 2008 9:05 AM CST reply actions  

Without a trade
I guess 28 to 35 victories this year, still not good enough to make the playoffs.  I imagine this is nothing new to most everyone.

by exult463 on Jan 19, 2008 11:02 AM CST reply actions  

I don't want to lose JVG
as an broadcaster. "Everyone gets paid in the NBA. Some guys get paid in college, but everybody in the NBA gets paid." TOO FUNNY!

by marionette on Jan 19, 2008 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe Skiles is still on the payroll
and just coaching the team via the telephone...

NOTHING has changed...do him and Boylan sleep together or something?

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Jan 19, 2008 1:13 PM CST reply actions  

At the game last night
The team stats were broken on the big board.  You couldn't see anything other than individual stats of the active players.  Oh well.  Not like that shows you +- anyway.

But from watching the game live, it was very evident how much better the Bulls rebounded with Noah on the floor.  He f'n boxes out.  How simple does it have to get?  He doesn't just claim a space and hope the ball falls into it.  He claims a space IN FRONT of an opponent, protects it, and then he goes and gets the basketball.

Thabo was highly effective.  The GSW offense appeared much weaker with Thabo's defense and limiting penetration than without Thabo.  We could have used Kirk out there tonight for defense.  The GSW guards play the entire game.  Baron Davis and Monta Ellis would check out for maybe 90 second breathers.

The officiating was terrible late.  It seemed fine in the first 3 quarters with some good and bad calls, but nullifying each other out as one would go our way and then one the GSW way.  But late it was terrible.  Everything seemed to go GSW's way.  The Joe Smith block was the worst one.  It was all ball and I could see that from a football field away.

The difference maker was the free throw line.  GSW made theirs.  We missed ours.  Noah and Wallace had to be 3 of 10 or 12 from the line.  Make our free throws and we're sitting on a 20 point lead instead of 14.  Make the free throws and we're not looking at a tie score with 3 minutes to go.

GSW looked slow, weak, and ripe for the killing in the 2nd quarter.  They couldn't wait for the half-time break.  It was here that Chicago should have gone to the kids and turned on the heat.  Increase defensive pressure and push the break.  RUN RUN RUN.  You beat these scoring teams by making them expend all their energy trying to slow the pace.  GSW just wants to hang around, keep it close, and then shift into high gear in the 4th quarter and pray they make their threes.  They did. And they won because of it.

by NBA Observer on Jan 19, 2008 2:21 PM CST reply actions  

NBA Observer help me!!
The almost 400 posts above, your post and my perception is that we play better when we get our young players involved.  Noah seems to have a high basketball IQ and Thabo had the best defense against Baron Davis.  What the hell is the Bulls brain-trust thinking?   I am in despair agreeing with the vast majority on this blog - why is Du playing almost 35 minutes including key crunch time minutes?  Surely Paxson/Boylan must see the same thing we see.  Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.

by chgobr on Jan 19, 2008 2:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Those guys play at the end
because the end game is about execution.  You don't run somebody out of the gym in the final 2 minutes.  Duhon is good at running the offense.  Duhon played 35 minutes because Hinrich was out.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 19, 2008 3:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Duhon
Is he really that good at running the offense?  They lose with him in there (and without him).  The point is to give someone else a shot (Thabo) because Pax brought him in here to replace Duhon in the first place.  Being in the game and making mistakes and eventually learning from then is the only way guys like Thabo, Noah, and Tyrus are going to get better.    Playing it safe by playing Duhon used to work but now it's time to move on.  Either you play Thabo, Noah and Tyrus and they might suck or be great or even just OK and you know what you got, or you sit them down when the game matters and they will be guaranteed busts.  The latter seems to have been the trend with those 3, and in my eyes it's unacceptable at this point.

by goldengod on Jan 19, 2008 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

I think...
...there's an overemphasis on "knowing the plays" and "running the offense". The offense sucks, even with the guys who know what's going on.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Jan 19, 2008 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but
I'd've rather seen Thabo get the extra minutes than Du.  Thabo played 28 min and Du 34 - if you switch those minutes you get Thabo in the game in the 3rd quarter when we needed his defense.

by Jaina on Jan 19, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

The key argument to play Duhon
Is when he is tasked with guarding a player that he can guard.  If that game situation is present, play Duhon.  He's more experienced and can set up the offense.

The key argument against playing him is when the matchup is beyond his potential.  Here, we need Thabo to come in for stops.  He can take away a weakness we give away with Duhon.  It won't happen every night, but it will vary depending on the opponent and therefore dictate who finishes at the PG.

by NBA Observer on Jan 19, 2008 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

He's also in there to be BG's valet
BG is in there for the offense, Du for ballhandling and defense.  And it'll change when Hinrich gets back.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 19, 2008 6:12 PM CST up reply actions  

What do you think?
Doesn't the Hinrich, Thabo, Gordon rotation look so much better than the Hinrich, Duhon, Gordon rotation?

Duhon should see fewer minutes when Kirk returns.  Hopefully Boylan isn't oblivious to the rate of return on playing time investment.

by NBA Observer on Jan 19, 2008 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

of course it does
and the idea that Du cost the bulls this game is wrong, too.  The gameflow tells the story.  In the third, the bulls extended the lead with Du in there and it wasn't until BG came in for Thabo that GS made their run.  Noc for BW also contributed as did Noah for Smith, but the bulls made a run when Thabo came back in.  When Du came back in midway through the 4th, the played + a few until Noc made those two bad plays.  The DuHate around here is way overblown and it usually way more important how aggressively BG plays than anything because he is the difference maker, both positively and negatively.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Jan 20, 2008 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Give Thabo a chance to execute
at the end of games.  If he screws up you/he learn something.  If he surprises wonderful!  It is better than losing with Du.

by chgobr on Jan 19, 2008 5:15 PM CST up reply actions  

"good" rookies who know their place
Well this might apply to the Bulls if the starters played and acted like starters.  Maybe if the veterans were actually role models for the rookies, this would apply.  Ben Worthless is hardly a role model.  The last thing I want is BW teaching Noah his bad playing habits.  If you look at last night's performance, it appears Noah is now learning how to miss FTs from Wallace.  Wallace is horrible and needs to go.  His afro is what keeps the velcro closed on the wallet of the Bulls.

by BiNgO on Jan 19, 2008 5:23 PM CST reply actions  

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