Ah, bless the Miami Heat
I think if the Bulls played the Heat in a 50 game series, they'd win 54 of them. Somehow with that group it'd be possible.
Ben Gordon with 24 points on 6 made field goals. Him and Noc with 4 threes apiece. Joe Smith went 9 of 10 from the field.
One of the few opponents where Ben Wallace looks like he has a purpose (Detroit is the other, and...), and he actually dunked the ball a couple times.
But no dunk was more satisfying than Veektor with a reverse (on a bullet pass from Tyrus), followed by Mike Tirico laughing it off only to be chastised by Hubie Brown for disrespecting a pivotal member of the Russian national team.
It was that kind of night, so it'll be a feel-good postgame. Sure, Duhon still sucks and his starting spot should be taken by Thabo (great game from him, 2 in a row) as soon as last week, and the fact that Tyrus only gets a few minutes of non-garbage time is a complete organizational failure that upsets me to no end, but there will be plenty of future opportunities to feel like garbage about this team. Likely as soon as Friday against Golden State.
But for a day or so we can remember a game where a team was endlessly discussed as a disappointment and longshot to make the playoffs, and it wasn't the Bulls.
Even saw Noah chest-bump Wallace after the latter had a nice block. Good times all around.
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It seems pretty clear
optimistic, sarcastic, or both?
by Orange Juice on Jan 16, 2008 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
Yes it was sarcastic
by MarketMaker on Jan 16, 2008 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
agreed
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 16, 2008 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
If nothing else,
Plus, this was good practice for the GS game. :) 126 just might do it against them.
Dont mean to be a party pooper BUT
Lets
No one is literally getting their hopes up
It did feel good to win one, though
Well, we got that, and as an extra bonus came away with a win.
It was great! I smiled the whole 4th
I like the win of course
Hubie laid a stiff rebuke
Hubie has a lot of respect for the game and everyone involved in it...especially the players who play it the 'right way' (well, the right way according to Hubie). He gave out nice props several times to both Noc and Sefo. It was good to hear a national voice say something nice about our guys.
I like Hubie
by NBA Observer on Jan 17, 2008 8:19 AM CST up reply actions
Hubie
They even gave some props to Red Kerr at one point in the night.
It's such a difference to hear a well-seasoned broadcasting team as opposed to our guys every once and awhile.
by ScottieCartwright on Jan 17, 2008 8:34 AM CST up reply actions
That was nice on Red.
and of course
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 17, 2008 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
There's a lingering suspicion
All I'm saying Matt is
Tyrus will most likely not be a Bull after Feb
heh
That was the extent of his report.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 16, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
Bucher annoyed me tonight
I loved that
but
by GIJoe47 on Jan 17, 2008 12:04 AM CST up reply actions
Ah, yes, nothing like an impetuous,
Maybe we can get a few more humble underachievers who follow company orders. 'Cause that is what we need.
Yeah. Awesome.
by 1958ChiTown on Jan 16, 2008 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
Dan Bernstein
by GIJoe47 on Jan 17, 2008 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
He was a starter.....
by GIJoe47 on Jan 17, 2008 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
Misses his guys
Is Tyrus even 21 yet? It's way too early to bail on him.
by NBA Observer on Jan 17, 2008 8:19 AM CST up reply actions
It is sad.
i will be pissed
If the Bulls were so admanant about
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 17, 2008 9:31 AM CST up reply actions
but
really
You're right about Chandler.
The difference, of course, is that Chandler got a lot of pt, which gave him the chance to actually develop, while TT will be markedly behind Tyson's developmental curve.
Still, the question remains, unless he's part of a major deal that includes a player the status of Gasol, what are you actually trading him for?
Bullshooter, I know you mean that rhetorically,
We talk about it because it's in the news--especially after Bucher said in last night's national broadcast that the only team certain to make a trade, among all the teams that might possibly make a trade, is the Bulls. Then he targeted Thomas as the player on the Bulls to be involved.
Ergo, it becomes a legit topic on BaB today.
Ric Bucher?
by bullshooter on Jan 17, 2008 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Kobe will be traded!
I'd say Chris Sheridan is worse
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 17, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
We also talk about it because,
Typical Paxson
plus
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 17, 2008 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
anyone notice
Definitely
Thabo had a very productive game on both ends.
by NBA Observer on Jan 17, 2008 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
Well, most of his production
But his J has gotten better this past few years and will probably still get better.
In terms of
by NBA Observer on Jan 17, 2008 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Do you know who spent part of the summer
Bingo : Boylan.
The really good things I noticed
- 15+ jumpers from the Heat. 4 red jerseys in the paint. 1 white jersey below the free throw line.
- Collapsing on Wade when he penetrates closing gaps for him to spin to the middle and forcing him baseline where he gets lost. He passes out into 4 second half turnovers. Bulls fastbreak for easy buckets. Chicago executed stellar defensive rotation in the 2nd half and converted nearly every turnover into points.
- Taking advantage of matchups. Ricky Davis cannot guard Joe Smith. Shaq cannot guard Ben Gordon.
- Attacking the rim. Thabo's nice 2nd half layup and 1 drawing contact from Shaq was great. Hinrich and Gordon pull up for a jumper or pass in the same position. Thabo has the height and arm length to extend beyond the reach of Shaq. Body contact sent Thabo to the line.
- Drilling the Heat when Shaq sits. Mark Blount was a -24 in just under 17 minutes of action.
- Noah dunking and Ben Wallace yelling "Yeah boy!" and chest bumping him.
1) Boxing out. The Heat had too many 2nd chance opportunities as a result of the failure of Bulls' to find a white shirt and box them out. My count had the Bulls a -7 because of the failure to box out.
If we could only play the Heat, Bobcats, and Pistons every night.
think he meant
One thing I forgot
Davis/Wright: 4-14, 4 boards, 6 fouls, 3 turnovers
by NBA Observer on Jan 17, 2008 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
I think I learned
Plus I'm not sure you could argue that Duhon's a better shooter (sure Duh gets hot from time to time, but his deficiencies in major minutes far outweigh his strengths.
Let's keep THABO out there, he's looking like he's gotten his confidence back.
Also, let's start giving Khryapa more playing time. I like what I see from him often in garbage time (Good passer, big guy, decent shooter, has a good offensive feel for the game). Granted this could change drastically if he got major minutes for the worse, but judging him for his scant 5 minutes every 3 weeks of play is ridiculous.....he's looked ok enough when given more than 2 minutes of time to warrant a real look at him (he's been ok for us in the preseason's, and played well for Russia last summer).......I know Noc and Deng are ahead of him, but given our struggles, I'm sure we could see if he's worth a look or at least an additional trade chip for other teams....let the audition begin.
Thabo and Veektor
Veektor is a SF. I can only see him getting more minutes if Nocioni and Deng have nagging injuries or foul trouble. With Thabo playing better and Kirk eventually returning, we could see more Thabo at the SF with Hinrich and Gordon as the guards. This will only create less opportunity for Khryapa.
I did enjoy the reverse dunk to make up for his ugly missed dunk against the Magic.
by NBA Observer on Jan 17, 2008 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Another plus about Thabo
I really like his passing skills, and wish they would garner a little more attention. Everyone sees him as the defensive big guard the Bulls lack. but I also see him as their most effective offensive initiator.
But Alec
I guess the first thing to do,
Start Thabo
by El Toro de Goro on Jan 17, 2008 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Veektor is a PF
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 17, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Ugh, really?
I wonder what position Team Russia had him play in the Euro Basket tournament.
by NBA Observer on Jan 17, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
same here
by ScottieCartwright on Jan 17, 2008 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Good question.
I would say Kirilenko has better athleticism than Victor, but that Victor is the better passer. I scanned a couple of stories from the Eurobasket tournament (which Russia won in 2007) and couldn't find anything definitive. My guess is they probably play interchangeably.
well he's neither (or both)
He's not that bad of a rebounder, last season was a career high 14.0 rebound rate (in very limited time, granted). Also, he doesn't have 3-point range which you'd prefer from a wing (Luol Deng notwithstanding).
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 17, 2008 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
oh, and if he was a true 3
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 17, 2008 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
lol, Lebron
Lets just say that Veektor slowing Lebron isn't what I'd be asking of him.
by NBA Observer on Jan 17, 2008 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
Big V at the 3
Somebody else agrees with us...
"We're not necessarily suggesting last year's lottery pick supplant Chris Duhon in the Bulls starting backcourt, but if interim head coach Jim Boylan sticks with his guns by continuing to bring Ben Gordon off the bench and Duhon continues to struggle, it might not be a bad idea. The Heinrich/Gordon duo will always struggle to defend bigger backcourts, and aside from breaking them up through trade there's only a few ways to make up for their lack of size. Considering Duhon's severe lack of production since his promotion (22% FG, 3.9 points, 4.5 assists, 0.5 steals), upping the 6-5 Sefolosha's minutes from 11 to somewhere in the 20s is one possible solution.
His game is still raw, but this native of Switzerland is a solid passer and energetic defender, the kind that nags and annoys whomever he's guarding. He's actually hit season highs in minutes these past two games (26 and 30, respectively), which could be a sign that Boylan is spoiling on Duhon and is considering a change."
i agree, matt, god bless the miami heat
by Conor on Jan 17, 2008 12:23 PM CST reply actions
Was the ESPN crew questioning the Heat Defense?
At the top of the broadcast,
They commented several times on how
Good point.
A number of times, when Thabo was bringing the ball up court, you could see him waving toward BG to get up court faster.
The Heat cover that
The Bulls were pushing things on offense and I liked it.
by NBA Observer on Jan 17, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
Kinda nice to have a guard
neil funk
by Conor on Jan 17, 2008 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Shaq's return caused a
I've always said (like TT) Thabo can play and needs to get the chance. It's like the coaches have been playing inferior talent because they're afraid of losing. But at this point, what are they (is he, Boylan) afraid of, they ARE losing.
But I've been alarmed at Thabo's passing TOs this year, much more so than his shooting. So what happens when all 3 other guards are available and he has a not-so-great game, turning it over? Not just with coaches, but you/us B-a-B-ers? (Can you take the resultant losses, in the short term?)
Seems like half the folks here have turned on Tyrus, but I don't get it. Josh Smith doesn't have his wits about him at all times (on and off court), but he's allowed to be a solid contributor on a .500 team. I see our own version sitting on the bench, and you guys are talking about Victor Khryapa! How will you feel when whatever we get for Tyrus joins Veektor at garbage time, while TT stars (ala Tyson) for somebody else? Don't just bend over and take it again people, GET MAD!
i dont think asking
that is true
No please, T4P. Don't ever change!
Now I'm gonna do what I promise myself never to do and check that Amare to CHI thread to see if it syncs up with what the Sun "fans" are dreaming up.
it's the one thing that frustrates me
hmmmm....
"The more Thabo Sefolosha plays, the more tradeable Kirk Hinrich looks."
heh
ouch!
by ScottieCartwright on Jan 17, 2008 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Deng
I don't care what happened but I'd love to see the team develop one of those good ol' fashioned "us against the world" attitudes the PJ was so good at stoking.
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 17, 2008 4:12 PM CST up reply actions
wait, Zac
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 17, 2008 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
Trade Hinrich!
Jim Rome's Take On Noah
How about a summary?
Thanks for the link
I agree
Noah may become the leader on this team
Somewhere I was reading
Got one month to make it happen.
Will wonders never cease?
"The Bulls went for Tyrus Thomas, I believe, because they didn't have a great athlete who projected as a star. So it was time to take a chance. It looks like a miss now, though I haven't given up on Thomas and would like to see him get regular playing time. With some strength, he might be productive at power forward."
Of course, he had to preface his recommendation with an insult, but that is to be expected.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-080117samsmithonjohnpaxson,1,339580.column?page=2
here's my new fanboy theory
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 17, 2008 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
I can now picture NBAObserver
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 17, 2008 10:35 PM CST up reply actions
When did you start watching the Bulls?
Watch some Bulls film against the Pistons in 87, 88, 89, and 90. Joe Dumars, Isiah Thomas, and Vinnie Johnson were boxing out 6'8, 6'10, and 7'0 Bulls rebounders to help their teammates corral the basketball.
If a boxout can help a small guard help his team rebounding, imagine what a big man boxing out can do.
Your comments increasingly make me think you know very little about basketball at all. I think you can do better.
by NBA Observer on Jan 18, 2008 9:30 AM CST up reply actions
agreed
I'm sure the coaching staff
Tar and feather me for hoop dreams like acquiring Amare. But for boxing out? At least pen something comical. I'm first in line to laugh at myself.
by NBA Observer on Jan 18, 2008 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
Thomas' biggest issues do not come
You gotta believe the team wants nothing more than to see Noah at center, Thomas at PF, and Thabo at one of the guard spots.
What we seen the last couple of games with Thabo is evidence of the old adage that development is uneven. It's cumulative in the background, but shows itself as spurts. Anyone who has kids knows this principle.
I think the defensive lapses
Tyrus goes to the bench early when he fails to perform the tasks the staff knows he can do. Missing a 15 foot jump shot when he is open is not going to get him benched.
by NBA Observer on Jan 18, 2008 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
i think defensive rebounding
he is not ready to defend the wing just yet
I think his problem on defense is the blowing rotations and it is exacerbated when he is playing the 3 since he works better under the basket.
Why pick on Tyrus?
especially Noc
Yeah don't pick on Tyrus
by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
I know you did the tongue sticky thing...
Sorry guys
And you guys are correct - no one has been good at closing out on the shooter. That's a real problem for us.
But maybe the reason I brought it up is because I think Tyrus has more to bring to the table at the 4 for his weak-side help and rebounding around the basket, than say, Noc, to use your example. If he's more effective playing the 4 he should play there right now - better to utilize his strengths since he's still developing, instead of putting him in a position where he's uncomfortable and not performing as well. Once he has more experience he can try to slide over to the 3. After all it's taken Deng a few years to start experimenting with sliding over to the 2.
I think to use him best it's at the 4 right now and that's all I'm really saying. If he's having the same or more amount of trouble guarding the 3 as other 3's, he should be used at the 4 where he is above average.
I totally agree.
Could be less than 12 total min
I said try TT at the 3
I'm wondering about the
by philosoball on Jan 18, 2008 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
GSW centers and pfs
The GSW offense is give the ball to Baron Davis or Monta Ellis, set up a perimeter screen or elbow screen, penetrate and either dish out, pass to a cutter, or try and finish near the rim.
I have no idea what to expect from the Bulls. If they can play defense like they did against Miami they could blow out the Warriors.
I expect GSW to try and put Thabo in foul trouble. I'm dreading a Ben Gordon on Monta Ellis or Baron Davis matchup.
by NBA Observer on Jan 18, 2008 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I agree, this could be
by philosoball on Jan 18, 2008 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
GSW will post up
GSW isn't going to get much post up from any bigs. They're 8 man rotation is composed of 5 players that they interchange between the 2, 3, and 4 position.
by NBA Observer on Jan 18, 2008 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
I always worry more about
by philosoball on Jan 18, 2008 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
GSW fell to the Pacers
We could look really good or really bad tonight. I hope good. I just picked up some tickets. This is my first game at the UC this season.
by NBA Observer on Jan 18, 2008 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
it's not all about athletes...
I've always said that they sag WAY too much into the lane when providing help. Just make a hard show and get back out. Too often they linger and then the shooter is left wide open.
It's rarely foot-speed that is the cause of getting out to the shooter late.
by ScottieCartwright on Jan 18, 2008 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
I tend to agree with you.
But part of that is also that the Bulls aren't physically up to guarding other teams when we play our "gritty" less talented players. Seems other teams have figured out the Bulls will play them for the drive and consistently give up the 3 pointer. Noc and Smith are never going to be able to plsy defense against that. We need our "Michael's and Scottie's" out there sometimes to stop these other teams when they start getting hot with their 3 point shooting.
by philosoball on Jan 18, 2008 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
very true
Bad coaching...bad player recognition
Noce and Smith have the ability to play against that style if they were told to stay with their man.
I saw one possession against Orlando where 4 Bulls collapsed on the post player, which resulted in TWO bad things: (1) 4 Orlando players were wide open...(2) the quadruple-teamed player STILL hit the shot.
If I'm the coach, I just send ONE, or MAYBE two guys...there's no need for the entire team to sag and help out.
by ScottieCartwright on Jan 18, 2008 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
The solution then to other teams hitting
Hey, just checked the stats.
In a perverse way,
Yeah, this game could be
Just wondering
To see if we can get closer to the edge
Chuck Norris once fathered a shark - just because they kick ass.
Huh
chuck norris is old. I think the other day i switched on Walker Texas Ranger, it was so blah....i mean we have this sheriff or something, who looks and moves like a 50 year old (but actually might be older) and yet he can kick anyone and everyones ass, unless its supposed to be totally fantasy (sci fi) i completely hate unrealistic shows. Hmm i wonder if anyone will reply and get this closer to the end of the screen....come on people, i want one letter per line at some point.
They seek out your weak defender
Oh and they run a lot, and shoot more threes in transition.
That's the Don Nelson offense in a nutshell. A great way to play and a blast to watch. Most of his guys are athletic 'tweeners and his system makes it work. If the game was in Cali, the Bulls would be fortunate to keep it within 20, 'cause their transition D has sucked so far this year.
Oh, and don't worry about the team
WSCR sez...
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 18, 2008 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Why did he travel to Miami?
by NBA Observer on Jan 18, 2008 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
who wants to rehab in chicago
by bullshooter on Jan 18, 2008 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
He needed to be around
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 18, 2008 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm
by piccolomair on Jan 18, 2008 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
lol, get Joan Cusack a vote
You guys are killing on this topic. hahaha
by NBA Observer on Jan 18, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions
Better yet
Damn, 8:30 PM start on the
There is going to be a -20 degree wind chill by the time that the game is over.
Pain.
Maybe it will throw GS off, though.
Poor Ben Wallace
I just hope it doesn't affect attendence...
We badly need to win tonight and tomorrow.
Can you lead cheers from the 300 level?
by NBA Observer on Jan 18, 2008 3:31 PM CST up reply actions
tyrus
Then there are the obvious parallels w/ the Curry and Chandler deals.
The Bulls management need to take a hard look at their own methods of handling young players. It is their job to get the best out of their employees, and they are failing miserably at that. They mishandled Chandler, and are about to go down the same exact road w/ Thomas.
Sure the player has to do his part, but in the case of Chandler it is now proven that the willingness was somewhere in him, and it just took the right motivational stimulus to pull it out.
by reggie00 on Jan 18, 2008 2:16 PM CST reply actions
I don't think 'losing' Artest
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jan 18, 2008 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
Please enlighten me...
The story was . . .
Here
Annals of Ron-Ron
"Oct. 2005: Appearing on the cover of the December issue of Penthouse, Artest said in the interview that he wanted to box Ben Wallace on pay-per-view."
Whole rundown here:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2281289
Hilarious.
Oh then
by Rusty LaRue on Jan 18, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions

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