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[UPDATE(7/6): Today's trib reports that the Grizzlies aren't willing to get into a bidding war for Nocioni. And that Pax is going against his usual philosophy regarding restricted Free Agents (letting other teams set the market) because of Noc's "value". gag.]

[From the Diaries. I hope this is some ploy by Paxson to get Memphis involved (I'll choose to wistfully ignore this), I really don't see the rush in re-signing Noc, and the more I think about it the less I want him re-signed at all. The problem with signing Noc to a 5-year contract is that he's then untradeable, and it's quite a commitment to the 3rd string PF (lets just assume we get a scoring big man, for kicks, and Noc is behind that guy and Tyrus) and non-Deng SF duty. -Matt]

The Bulls offer Nocioni 38 millionish to resign with the Bulls?

Wow I don't think the Gasol trade is going down because it doesn't sound like the Grizz are trading him. Seems like alot of cash for th Redbull but I would love to see him back. So now it's a waiting game to see if the Grizz match.

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It doesn't
sound like the Grizz are trading Pau. It will be interesting to see how this all folds out.

by sue369 on Jul 4, 2007 11:35 PM CDT   0 recs

Is Pax Bluffing?
I kind of hope so.  I wonder how much better Nocioni can become, and he often frustrates me.  I still think he carries worth to the team, but if  I had to pick one of the "main" guys to let go, it would be him.

Pax keeps saying that he'll match any offer, but if the Grizzlies are really dying to have Chapu, then Pax is telling them that they're going to have to trade.  I found this paragraph interesting:

It's unclear whether any oral offers or promises of an offer have been made. Nocioni is believed to be the Grizzlies' No. 1 target. The Grizzlies, however, can offer only an 8 percent increase in their package. Thus, a five-year offer starting at $7 million is worth $40.6 million, a figure the Bulls almost surely would match.

I guess it all depends on how big the Grizzlies' hard-on for Nocioni actually is.  I'm guessing, based on what they've said, that it's not big enough to let Pau go.

Deng 4 MVP, 2008!

by corey williams corey benjamin on Jul 4, 2007 11:57 PM CDT   0 recs

They aren't trading Gasol.
I think the Buls really want Nocioni back.
Gordon, Nocioni, Duhon, Khryapa for Gasol is my only offer.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jul 5, 2007 12:21 AM CDT   0 recs

I'm not sure why
He's limited offensively and has no place to start anymore.  His injury might keep him out for a while, or be nagging.
Noah and Tyrus and Wallace, OH MY!

by cubbybear on Jul 5, 2007 1:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not my money
As long as they can afford to extend Deng and Gordon, then I'm fine with resigning Nocioni.  He's just a role player (or at least he should be), but at the same time, the Bulls aren't good enough that they can afford to lose him for nothing.

by Big D on Jul 5, 2007 2:37 AM CDT   0 recs

He is underrated
05-06 at the end of the year he was dominating with about 20-10 a night that helped that make it to the playoffs that year

by roach on Jul 5, 2007 5:47 AM CDT   0 recs

This means
Deng & Gordon are both getting 10+ mil a year.

Looks like another solid move by Paxson.  He made it difficult for Memphis to match and if they really want him, they will have to move Gasol for him.

Kapono set the market with 6 mil a year.  Walton only took 5 mil but over 6 years.  Noce at 7 mil; why not.  It is all monopoly money anyway.  

by Jesse07 on Jul 5, 2007 8:07 AM CDT   0 recs

When u put it like that...
It really seems like a steal.  IMO Noc is much more than 1 or 2 mil better than Kapono and Walton.  And we still have money to sign Gordon and Deng.  

by Ceasaleo on Jul 5, 2007 8:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good perspective
Factoring in Kapono & Walton is the right thing to do.  I also think striking early is better.  "Waiting for the market to be set" can be a terrible way to do things with all the retarded GMs.  All it takes is one bad deal and all of the sudden Noc's value is $9 mil/year.  Pax did that with Chandler and once Billy King gave Sam Dalembert $60 mil, Chandler's "value" was set.  
In Pax we Trust!

by Jobu on Jul 5, 2007 9:44 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Noc is better than those guys
(I'll get all my garbled Noc thoughts in one post sooner or later, promise)

I think that a $6-7m 5 year deal for Noc is more than fair in a vaccuum. But this Bulls team has enough average-to-above-average players. They need to get a better player than Nocioni at the 4, then should have Tyrus (who'll be underpaid for a few more years) take Noc's position as the backup.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 5, 2007 9:59 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It depends
on what type of team Pax wants the Bulls to be.  If he signs Noc then he's leaning toward an uptempo perimeter team.  In that case Noc is a good deal.  If he finds a way to get KG/Gasol/somebody who can post up then Pax wants to slow it down, and consequently Noc is a bad deal, but probably a useful salary in that deal.
And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on Jul 5, 2007 10:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

if Noc is your starting PF
you're not a very good team, up-tempo or whatever. You're making Wallace do everything for post defense.

How does getting Pau slow the game down? It's not like running teams don't post up players too. And the Suns wanted KG so apparently they aren't worried about him fitting in their style.

I'm worried that Pax doesn't want an up-tempo team, but he wants his 'hustle' team. I though that was all rhetoric but drafting Noah AND signing Noc is too much to ignore.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 5, 2007 10:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Memphis
would have to really dig deep to make an offer for Noc to leave a winning team where he all ready has a strong bond with the team and management. On a lesser team he would generate better stats, but does he want to sacrifice a better chance for a title for 4 mil more guaranteed while learning how to lose gracefully? Not from what I've seen in him.

Pax made a great move. Guys that contribute way less than Noc make much more. (Adonal Foyle, Erick Dampier, Sam Dalembert, Troy Murphy, Larry Hughes, Theo Ratliff, Rasho Nesterovic sp?) Pax knows Noc was going to draw some attention anyway, so he provided an offer which most teams can't exceed by too much. It's not Noc's fault he is free agent in a year when teams have no cap room to make an outragous offer. (see names above for some examples) Pax gave himself a great amount of flexibility for the extensions, or to absorb a slightly larger contract via trade. Winning teams need to exceed the luxury threshold to remain a winner.

by kingj41 on Jul 5, 2007 8:42 AM CDT   0 recs

Bad Contracts
People keep comparing a potential Chapu offer to lousy contracts around the league.  If Kapono is overpaid then Chapu should be overpaid by more?  I see the logic in that, but it's flawed logic.  Great for Jason to get the extra dough, but that doesn't mean that every GM in the league has to make simliar errors.  The mistake contracts should not be the basis for the rest of them.
Deng 4 MVP, 2008!

by corey williams corey benjamin on Jul 5, 2007 10:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Your argument is not ignored
It's just the fact that the way all sports are run. Except for NBA rookie scale contracts, every other contract that's negotiated is based on a comparison. There's no way around it.

Plus, salaries escalate yearly for all pro sports. I won't go into too many details, but if you look at a guy that signed 2 years ago and now he's making 10 mil, compared with Noc signing a deal starting at 6 mil, Noc is a steal for what he gives the team.

Your 2nd contract in the NBA is going to exceed the MLE for players who contribute consistently. It's the sad state of the league becaue so many players are not worth what they make, but their 'value' is determined by comparing what others are making.

by kingj41 on Jul 5, 2007 10:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hakim Warrick
would be a better fit for Noce's role ( backup 3 who gets some minutes at the 4 in a small ball lineup) than Noce does. Also Alexander Johnson would be a nice guy to have also could provide some low post scoring for less than 700k. I dont get why Pax would not find these guys as good sign and trade candidates. Noce for Johnson, Warrick, and a 2008 2nd rounder seems like a good deal.

by LD9 on Jul 5, 2007 9:11 AM CDT   0 recs

they'd be cheaper, anyway
but if you get guys like those they then HAVE to get a big-time scoring 4.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 5, 2007 9:21 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why not (tongue in cheek)
just take Rudy Gay and Hakim Warrick off their hands w/ Nocioni, then make a Duhon deal for Scola. Convince Scola to join the team right away, and poof, the Bulls are ready to run.

by kingj41 on Jul 5, 2007 9:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

oh, rasberries
This should tell me Pau's staying (or at least, if they're dealing Pau they wouldn't want Noc)
Pau Gasol even phoned Nocioni to present a convincing pitch.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 5, 2007 9:15 AM CDT   0 recs

mmmmmm
Pax defentely bid against himself. Since it appears no formal offer has been made by any other teams (besdies the rumour about the grizz) why start with such a big offer? and why have it increase over time; why not start if off huge and have it decrease like the other contracts?

However, we can garner one thing from this; it appears in all likleyhood that either gordon or noch will not remain a bull in the long run; there's just not enough money for all of them

by milesgmsu on Jul 5, 2007 9:24 AM CDT   0 recs

There's enough money
The Bulls are going to do their best to resign their free agents, as they should, even if it puts them over the cap.  So long as Deng and Gordon don't ask for the moon, we can lock up them and Nocioni and still be under the luxury tax.

Look to 08-09, when the luxury tax should be at $70 milllion or more:

Wallace: $14.5
Hinrich: $10.0
Tyrus: $3.8
Thabo: $1.8
Noah: $3.0 or so.

That's $33.1 million for contracts that will be in place.

Let's say we add $10 million for Gordon, $11 million for Deng and $7.5 million for Nocioni.  That would put us at $61.6 million.  We would have an additional $10 million or so for future draft picks and other roster filler or mid-level free agents while keeping the team intact.  When Wallace's contract comes off the books it will be right when Tyrus and Thabo will be looking for extensions.

by nateroth on Jul 5, 2007 10:16 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and....
then the team makes no significant improvements.

Yes they can sign everybody and be fine financially. But just keeping this same team and adding Noah, that does it for you?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 5, 2007 10:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Some improvement
True, that's the same team that just lost in the conferences semis.  But I think the only way to make the team appreciably better is to do a blockbuster of Kobe or KG proportions.  Obviously in that case the current contracts don't really matter because we would be going for broke.  My point was that it is possible to resign everyone and not have to lose pieces for less than they are worth.  If we can make sensible trades from that, I'm all for it.

We are not going to be in a position to sign any big free agents anyway, so why not keep our own?  Deng and Gordon should continue to improve over the next few years.  If we let Nocioni go, who would we get to replace him at $7.5 million per year?  Plus, keeping Nocioni gives us depth in case Noah or Tyrus are involved in one of those blockbuster-type trades.

by nateroth on Jul 5, 2007 10:50 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

someone who is worth $7.5 million
or more than 1 bench player.

by hscs on Jul 5, 2007 10:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Meh
I'd say the Bulls are going to have to upgrade through trades and lucky late-round draft choices anyway, at this point.  Unless the Bulls pretty much blow everything up (which I don't think anybody is advocating), they won't be major players in free agency for quite a bit.  Why not sign their own assets that can be had for non-completely-ridiculous prices and then try to use expiring contracts, future firsts, and ultramegahustly guys as trade bait?

by Petor on Jul 5, 2007 11:03 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well yeah
but here's my problem with signing Noc then, he's NOT future trade bait. Nobody who's dealing a quality player (and therefore rebuilding) will touch Noc's contract.

Wallace is similarly untradeable, Pax doesn't want to deal Hinrich/Deng/(likely)Gordon. That leaves Tyrus, Thabo, and Noah, who are all under rookie deals for quite a while. It's not a very flexible roster situation.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 5, 2007 11:06 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We give you
the New York Knicks...
The current competition for the front office motto-
a)Dump your unwanted long-term contracts on us.
b)Let's make a deal. We don't care if we get the short end.
c)Ballhoggers wanted!
d)We like drafting late in the 1st rd, then trading those cheap contracts for nothing.
e)We like burying our best players on the bench. (Wait, who's our best player? That guy that passes, moves without the ball, rebounds and hustles?)
f)Luxury tax? We thought that read luxury cap...

by kingj41 on Jul 5, 2007 11:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It really depends on whether
you think we can get significantly better anytime soon through trades.  Too many people simply think that Paxson is going to buy a $1 for $.60 and somehow get a Garnett/Gasol without giving up anything.  Don't get me wrong, if the "media-made-up" trade of Nocioni, Duhon and Noah can get you Gasol, then have at it.  I'm trying not to forget that it was only 3 years ago that this team started 0-9 and Nocioni, Duhon, Gordon and Deng were all 1st year players. All have improved marketedly and I think their (Duhon excluded) ceilings are higher.  With a few cheaper FAs (maybe Mihm, etc) and some TT and Thabo improvement, we're awfully close as is.    

by EdNealy on Jul 5, 2007 11:05 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

my philosophy is
if you can't get that kind of killer deal for Gasol (the made up one is likely too good to be true, I admit) then just wait until you can, for him or somebody else.  

I'm kindof beyond remembering the 0-9 days. Nocioni was quality for that kind of team but the Bulls need somebody better than him. I don't see a situation where they pay somebody better than him AND him.

If the goal is just to maintain the status quo and keep waiting for a big deal, isn't it just as good of an option to let Noc go, sign a short-term vet free agent and give Tyrus more minutes?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 5, 2007 11:11 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nocion and Tyrus
I hope this doesnt mean that Tyrus will be the 8th man for the bulls again.  And where does that putt noah.  Hopefully they wont be competing with malik allen for playing.  And PJ Brown is probably not coming back.

by Sambossanova on Jul 5, 2007 11:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This means
the Bulls have options now. Noc is the back up SF and sometimes PF when they go small
Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad

by Option27 on Jul 5, 2007 12:21 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

don't let logic
confuse Scott Skiles when he's bringing Nocioni into a game.

by hscs on Jul 5, 2007 12:25 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the problem is
it's like going fishing in a pond full of minnows and alligators. Ha what? I just don't think there's much out there right now that is really obtainable.

Status quo for right now seems like the best idea. One we know that Bulls are a team with a ton of assests. So why not see if improvement can come from within. They got their ass kicking from the Pistons why not give them one more season to really gage where this team is and what offers would be best without gutting the team. I think next season is a big season for the Bulls and I think I would love to see what this team can do with everyone healthy and with one more year of playoff seasoning. If they go out early again then I think you seriously consider a blockbuster trade next summer.

Gordon, Nocioni, Duhon, Khryapa for Gasol is my only offer.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jul 5, 2007 11:47 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes but
"If the goal is just to maintain the status quo and keep waiting for a big deal, isn't it just as good of an option to let Noc go, sign a short-term vet free agent and give Tyrus more minutes?"

What if we have to include Tyrus in a blockbuster trade for Kobe or KG?  In that case the depth that Noc provides as sixth or seventh man will come in handy.

There is something to be said for letting good players go in exchange for average players and roster flexibility, but I don't know if Pax is ready to do that yet.  I think he still wants to either: (i) see where this team will go; or (ii) have as many good players as possible in case he can get a great player.

by nateroth on Jul 5, 2007 12:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I see what you're saying
but they have to include a big contract (like Nocioni) in a deal for KG anyway. And if you're waiting until midseason, there's the problem with Tyrus not being as desireable when he's buried behind Noc to start the year.

I know it's a good idea to stockpile assets like Pax has done. But my fear is that if Nocioni's signed to a 5 year contract he's no longer an asset.

 

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 5, 2007 12:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree that
waiting for the "killer deal" is the right course of action and of course, we can't pay somebody better than Nocioni AND him AND also re-sign Deng and Gordon.  

If the strategy is to wait for someone better to come along than, "yes", just save the money and let him go.  But who is that?  I know that that person could come out of nowhere via trade, but if you just go by what we see today then things get challenging. Looking forward, it's hard to imagine that any of the team option '08 free agents will get away or that player option '08's will be affordable regardless (Brand, O'Neal, Duncan).

A big question is, is a 5 year avg. $7.5/yr deal (provided that's where it sticks) really that absurd in relation to what the market is setting today? And could you still move him? I hate when questionable players (Kapono, Walton) set the market, but this doen't appear to be a Dalembert situation (who set the market and absolutely killed us with Chandler!).

I tend to be a fan of the pre-Plantar Fasciitis Nocioni, who was huge last post-season and was really starting to come on early in the season (in December avg'd 17 & 6 )right before the injury hit.  

by EdNealy on Jul 5, 2007 12:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

even healthy-footed Noc
likely won't be as good as Tyrus Thomas.

So by giving Tyrus his minutes you actually could  improve, not just keep the status quo.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 5, 2007 12:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Too difficult to compare
the two as they're completely different players.  Importantly, Nocioni's presence allows Thomas to play quality minutes as one can never forget the turnovers and propensity to foul early.  I'd like to see TT's minutes jump to over 30 like they did for both Gordon and Deng in their 2nd years, but I think they were a little further along and as you know, the Bulls weren't nearly as deep.  

by EdNealy on Jul 5, 2007 1:22 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Noc turns over the ball and fouls too
not as often as Tyrus, but it's not like Nocioni is anywhere near an under-control player in those regards.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 5, 2007 1:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Thomas vs Noc
Thomas may be the better PF (hopefully but Thomas still made many mistakes and has no short jump shot) but I think a healthy Noc is better SF because he has 3 pt range.

Hopefully Thomas will get more playing time, simply because he will take mins that went to Brown last year (could start at PF) and there will be no more 3 guad lineups, meaning Noc plays more SF.  

I think Bulls would be better if they stuck to 10 core guys.  If the 11th guy on team is playing role outside of practice you probably aren't contenting anyway

Wallace/Noah/Brown or other 7fter
Thomas/Noc/Noah
Deng/Noc/Thabo/Thomas
Gordon/Thabo
Kirk/Duhon/Thabo

by NY Chicago Fan on Jul 5, 2007 1:26 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Scola !
This is why getting Scola should be pursued very aggressively by Bulls management. He would bring that extra dimension the Bulls need (only possibly using the mid-level). Plus then having Nocioni would be a plus (for Scola's integration).
The Game chose him !

by Diabolo on Jul 6, 2007 5:34 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

justin cage
I saw him play a couple of times on TV and was very impressed.  I hope he makes the squad.  He'd make a good backup SF and might even be able to play a littl bit of guard. Tough defender will make him a favorite with the bulls organization...how many times have we heard that around here.  I wish for once I could, his stron and polished offensive skills will make him a favorite.

by Sambossanova on Jul 5, 2007 12:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If I had to guess, I would say that Paxson is
developing a two-pronged strategy:

(1) This year, he will rely on internal development to take the team to next echelon. He wants to give this squad one last year to ripen;

(2) If this team proves incapable of reaching the elite tier of NBA teams, he will trade Gordon and some combination of Tyrus and Noah for a low post scorer. In that scenario, Noce would be another perimeter scoring threat who could partially offset the loss of Gordon's perimeter scoring. Moroever, Noce would provide spacing that would prevent teams from just collapsing on the new low post player.

Just my pure speculation.

by 1958ChiTown on Jul 5, 2007 12:31 PM CDT   0 recs

ah yes, spacing
Nocioni also provides energy, toughness, hustle, and heart. Scott Skiles knows what's important.

by hscs on Jul 5, 2007 12:36 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think that's fair
Spacing (i.e. shooting) is something that you can actually see produce results during the game, unlike the grit index. If they lose Noc the team does need another 3-point shooter off the bench.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 5, 2007 12:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

spacing
was pounded into tiny particles of meaningless cliche dust by Skiles last season. It's right up there with energy, and Nocioni wouldn't likely be in the game with a post player anyway. He'd still be backing up the power forward position.

by hscs on Jul 5, 2007 1:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

C'mon now.
When has "fair" ever stopped a hot shit college student from putting others down?
Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jul 5, 2007 1:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

har-har
it's irony, stupid.

by hscs on Jul 5, 2007 1:23 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wait.
PaxJax is now hscs?  Can we take a vote on this?

by paxson43 on Jul 5, 2007 1:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I think
Paxon Jackson = hscs

by sue369 on Jul 5, 2007 1:59 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

thats very lame
Seems childish for a "blogger" who is as opionaited (that word doesn't have to be negative) as Pax Jax to change name

by NY Chicago Fan on Jul 6, 2007 12:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I recognize you wish it to be.
But you really are the site "bully" who has most of his posts consisting of putting others down and implying how stupid they are. Just like a hot shit college student. So... if that's all just an act, that's quite one to do.

I think it's ironic how you wish HSCS to be ironic, but based on your BlogABull personality, it really isn't.

It's quite a har-har.

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jul 5, 2007 5:43 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I am going to have to say that Skiles likely
does know what is important, given that he is an NBA coach.  No coach is perfect, obviously, but Skiles has a good reputation in the League.

It seems misguided to trust Paxson and Skiles on a multitude of other issues, but doubt their decisions pertaining to Nocioni.

In any case, I was just guessing as to Paxson's ultimate motivations here.

by 1958ChiTown on Jul 5, 2007 12:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Fantastic point..
There were a lot of "whatever pax does on draft day, I'm happy with" types of comments pre-draft.

IMHO, I think that should apply to this situation as well (if that is how someone feels).  

With this offer to Noc, I too see a lot of options for this Bulls team.

The red and white

by Scott 9 on Jul 5, 2007 12:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

No one is suggesting that you
"blindly" trust anyone.

What I am suggesting is that, if Paxson and Skiles are willing to spend $38 MM on Nocioni, there is likely an underlying basketball related reason for doing so. In other words, I highly doubt that Paxson is giving Nocioni an offer merely to indulge some sort of personal affection. He obviously feels that Nocioni helps the team in some appreciable manner.

Now, of course, you are free to disagree with Skiles and Paxson and to dispute the basketball related reason for retaining Nocioni, but in order to do so effectively, you would have to (a) clearly identify the purported basketball related reason for the offer; and then (b) adduce some argument more compelling than a failed attempt at pithiness which amounted to "Na na na boo boo, Skiles is a dummy."

 

by 1958ChiTown on Jul 5, 2007 2:44 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no crap
come on 1958, it's not like this page hasn't gone over the 'basketball reasons' regarding Noc before.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 5, 2007 2:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're right.
But it's probably also true that the blog has already seen its fair share of satirical "grit" comments from hscs, errr, PaxsonJackson, errr, Ryan.

Anyway, you are right, this territory has been covered and I don't want to turn this thread into another Nocioni Apocalypse.

I was really just trying to figure out what Paxson might be thinking. I thought this might be another sign of an imminent Tyrus trade. That's all.

by 1958ChiTown on Jul 5, 2007 3:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why don't you ask
all of your "contacts" and report back to us?
And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on Jul 5, 2007 3:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think they'll know much about Paxson's
long termn plans for the Bulls.

BTW, just keep in mind that you asked me who my sources were. I gave you an honest answer. I certainly didn't bring it up on my own. If you choose not to believe me, so be it. No skin off my nose.

by 1958ChiTown on Jul 5, 2007 3:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't want to get into this again
but we don't have to like everything about the coach or GM to acknowledge the good job they're doing.

Just by looking at how long Skiles kept Noc in even playing with one foot suggests there's an unhealthy bond there.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 5, 2007 1:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That fact remains
The Bulls have done the best rebuilding the NBA has seen in a long time. They just want to be careful with their guys. Like Pax says, "Not letting a player go for nothing."

I really think there is a nice plan in place. I'm one of those dudes who think Pax can't make mistakes too. I know I'm biased. But has he really let anyone down?

He has earned his stripes. Right now, if he thinks Nos is worth that much, I have to believe him.

Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad

by Option27 on Jul 5, 2007 2:04 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs