Oh no, no no no.
I'm more or less over the Scola non-acquisition already. If the Spurs wanted immediate (not after this season) salary relief the Bulls couldn't match what Houston offered.
But where did this article come from? All indications were that Chairman Jerry were fine paying the luxury tax if it was for a contender. Now KC Johnson states a contradictory speculation nearly as fact:
"We're not going to use the exceptions just to use them," Paxson said.
No Pax, that complete fiscal responsibility ship sailed when you paid 35 million to Deng's backup.
If you truly had a no-tax edict from your boss (and that's another topic if true) then the smart thing to do would have been to let sir flops-a-lot go and start using that 'proactive' spirit with your better players.
Here's hoping it's just an excuse not to spend the full MLE on the guys available, although he really doesn't need one.
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That would...
by SouthSideIrish on Jul 13, 2007 8:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait
by Petor on Jul 13, 2007 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my point was
I had thought especially after that signing that the Bulls planned on going over the tax after gordon/deng extensions.
I still won't believe any of these guys get the full MLE until I see it.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 13, 2007 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mihm wants more
We may end up with him just because LA won't offer more than anyone else can.
by KT on Jul 13, 2007 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mihm won't get that now
by ScottieCartwright on Jul 13, 2007 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bynum
by NY Chicago Fan on Jul 13, 2007 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lakers don't need the MLE
Either way, that may be what Mihm wants, but i'm holding out for a generous 1-year offer with a team option...a 'show me' year from Mihm after surgery.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 13, 2007 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, that's right
by ScottieCartwright on Jul 13, 2007 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mihm
I hope they don't sign I guy like J Smith or M Moore to 3 or more year deal for MLE. I think taking chance at Mihm for smaller ammount is better move if he is healthy. It seems Mihm has some ability to play in league and is at discount now due to past injuries.
by NY Chicago Fan on Jul 13, 2007 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another reason
by NY Chicago Fan on Jul 13, 2007 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in regards to the title
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 13, 2007 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt
by bullshooter on Jul 13, 2007 9:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
weren't there enough qualifies in there
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 13, 2007 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The tone of the diary
by bullshooter on Jul 13, 2007 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't the "over the tax" thing...
I don't have links to support this, but I thought that's what it was about.
by tyger1147 on Jul 13, 2007 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
article helps Bulls' bargaining position
by GWKD on Jul 13, 2007 10:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"The Over the Tax Thing"
I can't remember where I saw it, but I'm pretty sure Pax said that if the team kept improving that he and Reinsdorf would have no problem going ova the tax to keep our players
by Ceasaleo on Jul 13, 2007 10:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
there is a big difference
by LD9 on Jul 13, 2007 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that's correct
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 13, 2007 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
by bullshooter on Jul 13, 2007 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is what happens
(As you can tell, I'm 'still' not over the Nocioni contract.)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 13, 2007 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When was the last time
I can't wait for summer 2010 when Big ben's contract comes off the books...a FA signing of DWade and a trade of L'il Ben, Tyrus and Noce for Amare. :-)
by DarthSidius on Jul 13, 2007 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do we get into tax territory anyway?
Wallace: $14.5 million
Hinrich: $10.0 million
Nocioni: $7.5 million
Tyrus: $3.8 million
Thabo: $2.0 million
Griffin: $1.7 million
Noah: around $3 million
Gray/Curry: around $1 million
That's a total of $43.5 million. If Gordon and Deng sign back-loaded deals as has been projected, let's say Ben goes for $10 million and Deng goes for $12 million in 08-09.
That takes us to $65.5 million. Add another $5 million or so for future draft picks and free agents and let's say we're at $70 million for 08-09.
The tax for next year is $68 million. It increased from last year's $65.4 million. So it would probably be right around that same $70 million mark for 08-09.
We aren't going to be signing any free agents from other teams anyway, so the only way to exceed the tax threshold would be by bringing in future mid-level exception players. If there are any trades, there would be an approximate match of salaries, which I will assume will keep us at the same level of salaries.
Is the concern that we won't have the flexibility to bring in a MLE guy in two or three years? Or is the concern that Gordon and Deng go for $15 million each? That seems high for two potential restricted free agents.
How do you see us getting into luxury tax territory at all?
by nateroth on Jul 13, 2007 10:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Paxson doesn't know what Deng and Gordon will go
by Scotter on Jul 13, 2007 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep in mind
by milesgmsu on Jul 13, 2007 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Dwight Howard just signed
I think the Pax's point on luxury tax was that he isn't just gonna sign some bum off the street and use the MLE for the sake of using it because of associated luxury tax implications down the road.
by DarthSidius on Jul 13, 2007 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine, but look at what Lewis got paid?
by Scotter on Jul 13, 2007 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope they sign him
by kingj41 on Jul 13, 2007 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling about Luol
by cubbybear on Jul 13, 2007 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he always seems to be charitable
(point is, we don't know what Lu 'values')
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 13, 2007 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you beat me to it
by ScottieCartwright on Jul 13, 2007 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why we need to something
by EdNealy on Jul 13, 2007 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Max deals go to unrestricted free agents
Let's say in a few months he gets offered something like five years, $65 million. Back-load the contract so that it goes 11/12/13/14/15 and expires in 2012, when Deng will be 27 years old. He'd be crazy not to sign that deal now. If he waits to become unrestricted, he is under contract for a total of $8 million over the next two years. Sign the deal, and you get $23 million. That's an extra $15 million right now, plus the promise of a huge payday after the deal expires.
If Deng waits to sign a max deal, it will be after 08-09, two long years away, not during this offseason.
by nateroth on Jul 13, 2007 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even if he signs an extension now
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 13, 2007 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, you're right
by nateroth on Jul 13, 2007 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a matter of unrestricted/restricted
by kingj41 on Jul 13, 2007 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't find the link to the article
Here is the current Max salary table.
by kingj41 on Jul 13, 2007 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey Matt
by KT on Jul 13, 2007 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard
by sue369 on Jul 13, 2007 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought they said
by EdNealy on Jul 13, 2007 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey whats the email address
by haze on Jul 13, 2007 11:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Have you listened to even one minute of the
by bullshooter on Jul 13, 2007 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im at work
Thanks guys
by haze on Jul 13, 2007 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gray is missing point blank
by haze on Jul 13, 2007 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Move the summer league talk
http://www.blogabull.com/story/2007/7/13/122953/683
Sorry, but I want to keep this designated for me moaning about Pax and Nocioni
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 13, 2007 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am putting this here because it marginally
I thought these comments from Paxson were interesting:
"The game has gone smaller, obviously," Paxson said. "I'm not worried about who starts. For four years, I've watched Scott use his roster. He never has been afraid to get a lot of guys playing time.
"Tyrus has the ability to impact a game with the minutes he's given. I'm not putting that [starting] expectation on him right now. He's going to have his chance. He just has to work and show the coaches he's ready to play."
If I were in a skeptical, Mad Matt Beyond Chapudome frame of mind, I might take those quotes as evidence that Nocioni is, in fact, going to start, at least early in the season.
As for the topic de jure of this thread, I just think it is a reflection of the fact that Paxson believes he is already well equipped at PF now that he added another tall body in Noah.
by 1958ChiTown on Jul 13, 2007 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this makes my frame of mind worse
The best way to use Nocioni is as a chucker off the bench. He's got a very good conversion rate, but he also doesn't pass much (and is, lets face it, kind of 'low basketball IQ' with the ball). That's actually perfect off the bench especially on nights when Ben Gordon is sleeping. I'm a 'hater' but I do appreciate when Noc he is the only guy who has any sense of agressiveness on offense.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jul 13, 2007 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the Bulls' projected payroll for next year
by 1958ChiTown on Jul 13, 2007 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is a very timely, insightful article
by 1958ChiTown on Jul 13, 2007 1:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Noah starting
Looking at minutes from last year:
Noc: 19.7 minutes per game
PJ: 22.8 mpg
Ben: 36.9 mpg
TT: 12.2 mpg
Looking at this I would say Noc stays at 20mpg, Ben at 35mpg, Noah is Going to get the majority of PJ's minutes so 20mpg, and TT would have between 15-20 mins.
Makes sense to me
by haze on Jul 13, 2007 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
where did you get those minutes?
by hscs on Jul 13, 2007 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stats
Noah would start because he is more ready than TT. TT is lost on the court; Noah knows where to be.
by haze on Jul 13, 2007 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just looked again
Sorry guys
by haze on Jul 13, 2007 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
TT did not look "lost on the court" during the latter half of 2006-2007.
by 1958ChiTown on Jul 13, 2007 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More experience
by haze on Jul 13, 2007 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've heard it all now
by ScottieCartwright on Jul 13, 2007 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Summer league minutes don't count squat
Yeah, um, but the 27 minutes that Noah played against Samford or the 24 against North Florida were a true test of skill.
Tyrus has played a season in the friggin' NBA.
Noah will not start over Tyrus this season, barring injury.
by 1958ChiTown on Jul 13, 2007 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"More experience" that's not only dumb,
by Scotter on Jul 14, 2007 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TT does look lost
by haze on Jul 13, 2007 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting Recap Stats
Also, Zach Randolph had the 5th highest usage rate in the NBA last year. Anyway, thought some of this was interesting.
by cubbybear on Jul 13, 2007 1:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The more time passes...
Front-loaded contract or not, that's a lot of money and time to lock up a guy you hope ends up being the 1st or 2nd forward off the bench.
by mdmnd9294 on Jul 13, 2007 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's just that
by Option27 on Jul 13, 2007 2:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, indeed!
by mdmnd9294 on Jul 13, 2007 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do you think I haven't made
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jul 13, 2007 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lokks really good
by eross226 on Jul 13, 2007 11:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually saw that game
He does have terrific touch from the perimeter though, and his passing is top notch for a big guy.
by Freethefro on Jul 14, 2007 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hawes
by Sambossanova on Jul 14, 2007 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
summer league doesnt show everything
by milesgmsu on Jul 15, 2007 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NY Knicks....
I don't think the Bulls mind going into Luxury Land but they aren't throwing caution to the wind either. They will almost certainly have to shell out big bucks for Gordon and Deng but the year after that Wallace's contract comes off the books and if everyones contract is front loaded we would only be two into Gordons and Dengs contracts before we once again have the cap room to shell out more money to keep Thabo and Thomas. It looks to me like they have a good plan in place.
by LnP77632 on Jul 14, 2007 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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