Difference of opinion

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 18, 2007 12:12 AM CDT in News Comment 76 comments

A package of Ben Gordon ($4.88 million next season), Chris Duhon ($3.25 million), Viktor Khryapa ($1.93 million), Brown[signed/traded], the ninth pick in the upcoming draft and a future first-round pick might be as high as Paxson can go.

I think these scenarios that include PJ (like Chad Ford's odd column this weekend) as a sign/trade candidate are too far-fetched to even consider.

For one, the team can't even negotiate with him until July, so having him and this pick means a lot of handshake agreements. Not that such things can't happen in the NBA, but it seems awfully risky to draft for another team while assuming your free agent agrees to a contract in a couple weeks.

And why exactly would P.J. Brown agree to a trade to a gutted Lakers squad? He seems leaning more towards retirement (or signing with a contender) than another season with a young team, even if it's accompanied by a fat 1-year deal.

Meanwhile, Eric Pincus of Hoopsworld (via GetGarnett)takes on what the Lakers asking price could be:

The ideal package would be Ben Gordon, Deng, Wallace and Thabo Sefolosha for Kobe Bryant (along with say Mo Evans). The ninth pick in the draft may be appealing to LA in lieu of Sefolosha, but the defensive specialist might be able to fill the hole at point guard.

At least Pincus is realistic in the timeline, meaning that a deal before the draft would have to include Ben Wallace. But he not only shows a low opinion of Wallace, but a too-high one of Bryant:

The Bulls would have Bryant, Hinrich, Evans, Tyrus Thomas, Viktor Khryapa, Adrian Griffin, Chris Duhon and the 9th pick.

They also would have one of the worst teams in the league.

I much prefer Jackson's scenario (even if someone else had to be included instead of the '07 pick)...and a package like that which keeps Deng as a Bull is loads better than whatever crap the Knicks could offer. And I don't think Pax is the type to bid against himself.

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You're not the only one talking this

Hey Matt (et all), over at Forum Blue and Gold we've been talking the same thing (head over for a very long and detailed "these are our options" post. But, let me quote the parts about a trade with Chicago:

I will assume three things in any Chicago trade: 1) The Bulls would be willing to take Radmanovic to get Kobe; 2) The Bulls would not trade both Deng and Hinrich in the deal; 3) PJ Brown would agree to a sign and trade and buyout to make the salaries match. For the trade to occur before July 1, Ben Wallace would have to be in the deal to make salaries work. While there is a rumor the Lakers desire Wallace, I will assume Mitch understands that taking on Wallace's monster contract would be a disaster. Therefore any trade would have to occur after July 1 and include PJ Brown in a sign and trade. As this is after the draft, if the Bulls #9 pick is involved, the Lakers would not be able to choose the player.

Two realistic trades that work (i.e. trades that the Bulls might actually make):

Path B Trade: Kobe and Radmanovic for Hinrich, Gordon, Brown, and the player picked ninth in the draft or Tyrus Thomas.

The Bulls are the favorites in the East with Kobe, Deng, Ben Wallace, and other nice young players.

The Lakers have a core of Hinrich, Gordon, Walton, Odom, Bynum, Farmar, the number nine pick or Thomas, and the nineteenth pick. If they trade Cook before next summer, do not use the midlevel this summer, and renounce all other free agents, the Lakers will only have $38.1 million in salaries committed for 2008-2009. The salary cap projects to be around $57-$62 million.

Path C Trade: Kobe and Radmanovic for Deng, Thomas, Brown, Duhon, and the player picked ninth in the draft. If Thomas and the number nine is too much, Seflosha could be substituted for one of them. The key is Deng and expiring contracts.

Again, the Bulls rule the East with Kobe, Hinrich, Gordon, Wallace, and nice young players.

The Lakers do not receive as much pure talent back in this deal, but they receive a better player (Deng) and set themselves up for a big time salary cap run.

http://www.forumblueandgold.com/

by Kurt on Jun 18, 2007 12:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I read that

yesterday, and thought about how ridiculous it would be for the Bulls to trade for Kobe's salary plus the 5 or 6 million the Rad Man gets next season.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 18, 2007 6:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

nonsense

I could see why the lakers would make these trades but the bulls? we might as well offer the same packages for Garnett who, somehow, would have a lower salary.
25 mill a year, the majority of our 'core' and the potential of losing kobe in two years for nothing? uhm, paxson shouldn't make that trade. now, if we could swap out wallace for kobe (with some throw ins) or only lose one of our core, that seems more palatable. the question then becomes would the lakers even entertain that?

by CookDing on Jun 18, 2007 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wow

(Blazer fan here)

I read the original post earlier and I thought it made a lot of sense for both teams. I think a logical rejection of the trade would involve undestanding that while it would make the Bulls the best team in the East by far, Chicago fans just don't want to deal with Kobe's drama.

Instead, it seems some Bulls fans think this would be a bad deal for them, just on the basketball merits. I have to say I think this is crazy. As a Blazer fan, I despise Kobe Bryant and the Lakers, but they would have been a top 3 seed in the East. Taking the Path B) offer, the Bulls would lock up the #1 seed in January and breeze through the Eastern Conference playoffs. You guys would be getting an asbolute steal in giving up Hinrich, Gordan, and the 9th pick.

Again, I hate Kobe, but right now and for a couple more years he is a vastly superior player to LeBron James, who took a terrible Cavs team to the Finals. Kobe might not make his teammates better, but I didn't see any evidence of James doing that, either.

Personally, I hope Kobe stays with the Lakers, because I love the limbo they're in. The only thing that would make it better is if, in desperation to get a deal done, Kupchak trades for Zach Randolph.

by matthewcc on Jun 18, 2007 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bulls can get #1 seed as is.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 18, 2007 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I hope "as is"

means just adding a piece or two via the draft and through free-agency. Because THEN, I would agree. The team is only a decent player or two away from getting to and winning the ECF.

As much as I would like to see Kobe in a Bulls jersey (maybe I'm the only one to admit this) the team would be crippled if they traded for him.

Give up your core talent for someone who could leave in another two seasons? Insane. Imagine if he did leave. You are then not only without him, but without the players you gave away to get him. The rebuilding process would start all over again. That thought makes me cringe.

If they can somehow dupe the Lakers or any other team (3-way trade?) to give him away and have it not blow the core up, then I'm all for it. But we know that won't happen.

by ScottieCartwright on Jun 18, 2007 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Everybody relax

First of all if he did come here and decide to leave, where's he going to go and make anywhere near the money? The Bulls would almost be guaranteed to get something in a sign and trade because Kobe commands too large of a salary and will still be in his prime years. Also, I still don't think Kobe will be a Bull anytime soon, so let's try not freak out.

And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on Jun 18, 2007 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

At least for me

the issue of him leaving is just one more argument against making the trade. It's simply an added risk would should effect the value of the trade. I don't think he would leave and I definitely don't think that a trade will happen.

by CookDing on Jun 18, 2007 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

exactly

and kobe and "radman" would put us egregiously over the cap, hampering our ability to maintain what would be left of our core. in addition, we would immediately have a hole at point guard, a ball/attentionhog that had effectively destroyed his team twice over and still no low-post offensive presence. Plus, we would be losing a LOT of youth (four young players with exceptional talent - assuming the 9th pick pans out). All of that AND Bryant could bolt in two years if he wanted. For what? A chance to go the finals on the logic that we'd be doing it like the Cavs?
I have no interest in following their path to the finals as they are a deeply-flawed team that has no immediate hope of competing for a championship given the fact that they have tons of money wrapped up in broken-down/uninspired players.
Kobe is a great player but I don't think giving away three great young players and a draft pick makes a lot of sense. We'd basically have Kobe and Deng. How could we expect to actually have a shot at a trophy?

by CookDing on Jun 18, 2007 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

even

in the scenario where we keep hinrich and gordon, we still spend our cap flexibility, blow nearly all of our available trade assets and are left with a frontline of ... well, just wallace.
the alternative is not blow our wad on Kobe, try to add a nice piece this off-season and make another run. If that doesn't work, we still have a lot to trade and a lot to build around.

by CookDing on Jun 18, 2007 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

continue the path

I am against gutting the team for Kobe. The Bulls have come too far with these players to gut the team for Kobe. If Pax can somehow move Gordon and Nocioni(S&T) and the #9 pick. Maybe Tyrus could be involved as well but I would have to change my name. Gordon has to be involved and Deng/Hinrich would be excellent 2nd and 3rd options behind Kobe. I don't like the idea of giving Hinrich since a Hinrich/Kobe might be the best backcourt in the NBA. If they Lakers are unwillingy to do it without Hinrich well, thats a tough decision Pax has for his favorite Bull...

by TT 4 Prez on Jun 18, 2007 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Great point.

Hinrich & Kobe probably becomes the best defensive backcourt in the NBA (even if Kobe is overrated). Best ball-handling backcourt? Best scoring...? But it would be hard to beat.

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 18, 2007 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Paxson would have all the leverage

because he's not pressured to make the deal knowing he would still be a conender in the East if he just adds through the draft. As for the Lakers they won't get equal value from any team and if Kobe is true to his word about being very unhappy if they don't trade him then they will have to get the best deal they can. Your not getting anything from NY cause theres nothing there. Suns no way. Bulls should try and hoodwink the Lakers.

Tim Duncan is a robot!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jun 18, 2007 1:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Do not give up Deng, Tyrus or Sefo.

Those players I would hate to see go.

Tim Duncan is a robot!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jun 18, 2007 1:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Better NY than CHI?

Kobe's recent comments show, if anything, ever increasing unprofessionalism and immaturity. He's taken these characteristics, not uncommon in the NBA, to a new level.

I can't bring myself to visit the Laker forum, but the fans can't be too happy with this clown, can they? These are issues that can and should be dealt with in private. Kobe's just liable to wind up on another 40 win team, where his ballooning salary will work against his next GM. And if he has to go, the fans should say good riddence and embrace a future below the cap. It's a far better place.

Good thing for Phil he's expert at meditation.

by marionette on Jun 18, 2007 2:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Kobe aint going nowhere

Kobe aint going nowhere. I've said all along this is about the Jim/Jerry Buss vs Jeannie/Phil/Kobe sides with Kupchak in the middle. Besides the money and whatever the Lakers wanted would override any reasonable deal the Bulls would want to make. The Lakers almost certainly would want Hinrich Deng Gordon and Tyrus Thomas in the deal. Why in the world would the Bulls do that?

Mostly I think this is a PR ploy to get Jim Buss thrown out of the front office. I wonder if it will work. Certainly since Jerry West is in all likelihood unhappy with Kobe hanging Mitch Kupchak out to dry, and very unfairly in my personal view, then hey whatever it's Kobe's pregrotative. That being said there are other logistics to do this. The Bulls would be paying Kobe 25 mil a year(including that trade kicker) assuming he doesn't opt out in 2 seasons which makes another large assumption at this point. The other part is the player cost which doesn't make sense. The bulls could be in the finals NEXT SEASON WITHOUT KOBE. Pax won't bother doing it no matter how sexy it would be. The real sad part is that the whole thing has overshadowed the Playoffs and Finals. It's a shame really. But that's the way it is.

Michael Jordan is overrated...except for those 6 titles 4 MVP's DPY and other things like Bryon Russell's ankle...

by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2007 3:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

did you shed a tear for the NBA Finals?

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 18, 2007 6:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That counted as a NBA finals? LOL

Michael Jordan is overrated...except for those 6 titles 4 MVP's DPY and other things like Bryon Russell's ankle...

by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2007 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Uh roight...

"The Lakers almost certainly would want Hinrich Deng Gordon and Tyrus Thomas in the deal." The Lakers can also almost certainly go to hell.

Fully agree with your analysis pookey... that sentence just made me laugh out loud.

by paxson43 on Jun 18, 2007 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey man

I aint worried whether you like me or not. Just read what I write first we'll go from there.

And yea that's why a trade won't be considered. That and Buss really does have a flair for the dramatic with his players. It's not a secret whom his favorite players are and it is that way for a reason. Shaq was a great player but many feel, and I do too, that Kobe was more responsible than Shaq was for their rings. That being said Jim Buss makes Jerry Krause seem, uhm what's the word, genius beyond belief. Well that and Krause was a great scout and GM for awhile.

Michael Jordan is overrated...except for those 6 titles 4 MVP's DPY and other things like Bryon Russell's ankle...

by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2007 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ugh

Who is writing Kobe's 'messages' anyway? One would think Kupchak gets canned before Kobe gets traded, and that'd be good for everyone. The Buss ownership has been looking like the McClaskey family lately.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 18, 2007 6:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

An L.A. version of the McCaskey's, obviously

Say what you want about Mike McCaskey, but I don't think he goes around chasing women half his daughter's age.

by Big D on Jun 18, 2007 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what makes you say that?

because he's never been caught?

And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on Jun 18, 2007 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I love the NY Knicks proposal

As if one of their highly overpaid guards is going to excite the Lakers.

Everything in the paper the last few days indicates Pax thinks the Lakers aren't trading Kobe, and he's probably right. The Lakers have all the leverage. What's Kobe going to do, sit home and not get paid?

by KT on Jun 18, 2007 6:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think he can sit at home

and get paid. Maybe Tim Thomas can come over for a video game session.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 18, 2007 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you sure?

Thomas was sent home by the team which makes it their obligation to pay him. Kobe would be sitting out by choice, refusing to work. Maybe you're right, maybe you're just being clever, but they seem to be different situations.

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 18, 2007 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it's guaranteed money

Perhaps Kobe can't say he's sitting until he's traded, but he can say his knee hurts and it needs rest.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 18, 2007 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm pretty sure

the Lakers could take him to court and win if he came up with an excuse (I'm hurt, I'm hurt, I can't play) after demanding a trade.

Plus there's this whole image thing he has to worry about. sitting home and pouting doesn't do it any good. Nike won't be happy.

by KT on Jun 18, 2007 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he's a union pro athlete

with prior injuries. A legitimate doctor's note wouldn't be hard to come by, and the Lakers wouldn't challenge it. I said he can do it, I never said he would do it. His reputation is fragile enough, and there's no reason to lose future endorsement money.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 18, 2007 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He has kind of a warped sense

of how to improve his image, if you ask me - if anything, this latest stuff has completely cemented that rather negative image of the whiny, ballhogging, bad teammate Kobe. I can't imagine why Pax would want to take him on after this, in spite of basketball ability. Last year's drama with Ben's headband, PJ's trade request, and Ty's "show me the money" comments would be nothing compared to life with Kobe.

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Jun 18, 2007 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Would you even want to trade for him then?

If he's willing to fake an injury or pull a Vince Carter, why would you even want him in the first place?

by Big D on Jun 18, 2007 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

if the Lakers have to trade him

they would have to settle for whatever the Bulls or any other team can scrape together. There's no reason to get a guy going into his 12th season unless the team will be a world beater, but I don't like trading for Kobe because he can opt-out in the future.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 18, 2007 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i beleive

a player who refuses to play still has to be paid, but the team can petition the league for a salary waiver.

In effect, if kobe sat out for X games (i'm not sure the value of X) the lakers woulud ahve that $25M to play....but im not positive on all this

by milesgmsu on Jun 18, 2007 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm going to have to agree with Sam Smith

... on this one and wait for Kobe to become a free agent.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-070617smith,1,6375687.column?coll =cs-home-headlines

I hardly ever agree with Sam but what can I say every once in a while he gets one right.

by boerwinkle on Jun 18, 2007 8:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I love how Smith constructs his typical

strawman and then razes it:

"Translated for the Bulls, that would be Hinrich, Luol Deng, Thomas and the No. 9 draft pick. So this is what you'd have: Ben Wallace at 33 and heading downhill, Ben Gordon at point guard, Andres Nocioni at small forward and Malik Allen, Michael Sweetney or P.J. Brown at power forward. And you'd be over the salary cap. And you'd have Bryant with an option to leave in two years."

Of course the Bulls wouldn't deal Hinrich, Deng, AND f'ing Thomas, Sam. What a brilliant f'ing insight, Sam-o.

He acts as if there are no other trade combinations that would work.

by 1958ChiTown on Jun 18, 2007 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Sam's point was

the Lakers are only interested in dealing Kobe if their rigid trade demands are met. Meaning that combination most likely be the deal, according to Sam anyway.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 18, 2007 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kobe and Deng

Deng benefits greatly by being in a motion offense. It seems that half of his points come off well-timed cuts. With Kobe you'd get more of what we saw with Cavs in the Finals, one guy dribbling and four guys watching. Strip this team down to Kobe and Deng and my guess is Deng's progress stalls.

by jamestkirk on Jun 18, 2007 10:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Deng would be open

The Cavs were like that in the finals because LeBron still doesn't quite know what to do, and they went the whole season without a coach (kindof an amazing story)

I think Kobe would be happy to pass to Deng instead of Vlad Rad or Mo Evans.

And a motion offense is helped when one guy makes the whole defense shift, as Kobe can.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 18, 2007 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you might be right

If we get Kobe the offense would look vastly different, of course. When the clock was winding down (but there were other times as well), the Bulls would simply give Ben the ball at the top of the key and let him create. Kobe is an obvious upgrade in this roll, so much so that it would stupid not to expand this. Let Kobe create, break down the defense, and find the open man if he can't get his own shot. OK.

But a huge portion of the current Bulls offense comes off Hinrich's high screen/rolls and up-tempo motion. It fits the personnel. Hinrich and Deng, and pretty much everyone else on the team (except Ben), have trouble creating their own shot. They're simply not quick enough to overwhelm their opponent, thus the player and ball movement which creates natural defensive breakdowns. Deng might not be quick enough to go right be his man, but he is if the defender is late in catching up to him.

With Kobe I see a sticker ball. Those free flowing stretches where the shots are falling and the ball is zipping around, would be few and far between. Maybe Deng would score the same, but my guess is more of his points would come by sitting down in a soft spot of a defensive breakdown and less would come via the slash.

I think some of Hinrich's game would start collecting moth balls, too.

Maybe this comes down to style. I like how the Bulls play. If we get Kobe and it's the right deal, we might be better. For a year or two. I guess. But for me, it won't be as fun to watch.

by jamestkirk on Jun 18, 2007 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thank you matt!!!!

Mike brown may be the worst nba coach eveer....and dont say "hes a defensive coach" because honestly, with that slow of a pace, and the length on that team, I could coach them to defense.....cavs front office is screwed

by milesgmsu on Jun 18, 2007 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mike Brown is a "defensive coach"

He makes the others teams defense real good.

by SRQman on Jun 18, 2007 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

it would be up to Kobe

Kobe as all the skills to fit into Bulls system and add the great scorer to their offense. Sure others would score less but if Kobe wanted to he could be huge upgrade from Gordon. The ability to get to line and get shot off inside or out whenever he wanted Kobe is great offense player and could flurish with Bulls.

The impossible part is knowning what is going on with Kobe's head and how willing he is to be part of a team in order to win. I'm sure Pax and Skiles would want to talk to him personally before they considered any trades

by NY Chicago Fan on Jun 18, 2007 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

while i laughed at

one of the worst teams refernce, matthew, i have to disagree. That's a team that will lose in 5 in the finals; or 7 in the ECF

Kobe took the lakers to a 7 seed in the west wiht a 41 41 recrod. Had the lakers played in the east you would have to expect pciking up at least 8 wins; and then hinrich is better than anyone kobe had. The team wouldnt be as solid as it is now, but it would def be a contender in the east...

But thats the thing; pax is building a team to win it all; not a team to get crushed in the finals

by milesgmsu on Jun 18, 2007 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

If someone pointed a gun at my head

I'd offer BG, Thabo, Du, Noc (signed for whatever was needed to make up the salary difference) and the #9. I'd only do it to free up time for Viktor, though.

And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on Jun 18, 2007 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

The only way I could be excited about

a Bryant trade is if Bulls kept Hinrich, Deng, and Thomas. That's the only way a Bryant trade is an significant upgrade.

by Scotter on Jun 18, 2007 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I concur

And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on Jun 18, 2007 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Time will tell

if Tyrus is a Kenny "Sky" Walker, 1989 Slam Dunk champion, clone? It seems many assume Tyrus will make the same development strides as Deng. Sky Walker so similiar to Tyrus in size, style and ability never turned the corner, and became a decent reserve.

http://www.databasebasketball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=WalkeKe01

by exult463 on Jun 18, 2007 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know what Walker's experience...

...in college was, but Tyrus came into the league almost exactly two years young than Walker. He also only played one year of college ball (the first being a redshirt year). He also had a good year his senior year in high school, but only made second-team all-Louisiana.

Hold on. Snip from Walker's wikipedia page:

After being named Mr. Basketball in the state of Georgia in 1982, Walker chose to play collegiately at the University of Kentucky. Walker had a very successful college career, being named to an All-SEC team four times and the All-American team twice. Walker's 1984 Kentucky team made it to the Final Four of the NCAA Tournament before losing to the Georgetown Hoyas.

Thomas is a lot, LOT rawer than Walker was. So, while it's possible he ends up like that, I'd say it's not very likely.

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 18, 2007 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow... my time wasted.

What a bad comparison. Thomas' first year was already better many ways than any Walker ever had. His per 40's in their rookie years are better in nearly every category expect points, of which he only trailed by 1.0 to Walker. Thomas' PER was also higher this year than Walker had in his entire career.

Walker peaked as a rookie and got worse. It's possible, but I don't know if there are many cases of unpolished 20-year-old's peaking in the NBA.

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 18, 2007 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thomas had a better rookie year

than any of Walker's 7 seasons, and he's bigger. I think I'll take NBA success over the travels of a young Kenny 'Sky' Walker.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 18, 2007 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think you're agreeing with me.

But I can't really tell. Oh well.

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 18, 2007 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ever consider that

there is some time taken between clicking reply and post? I never saw your follow up comment to the Sky Walker nonsense.

by Paxson Jackson on Jun 19, 2007 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If someone pointed a gun at my head

I'd say pull the trigger. If Bryant comes to Chicago, the Bulls fan might as well die also.

Rasheed Wallace likes to comment about guys' butts. -"Them butt holes got tighter and TIGHTER."

by NittanyBull on Jun 18, 2007 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what an unfortunate mix of metaphors

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Jun 18, 2007 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I see the Kobe potential trade

as similar to the Gasol scenario earlier this year. Pax isn't going to radically alter the makeup or image of his team to take on a superstar who may or may not necessarily get this team to the EC Finals. We're at the point where small moves can get us over the hump and I think that's where Pax's brain power is going these next 10 days before the draft: who can I draft and how can I best set us up for the smart move in free agency or through a trade?

by Old Skool Sloan on Jun 18, 2007 1:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I hate this crap.

I think Kobe on this team would be a huge mistake. Hopefully Pax sees this too.

Buckle your seatbelts kids. It's going to be a bumpy couple of weeks.

by sue369 on Jun 18, 2007 1:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't know... after watchng that game six

of the playoffs yesterday I wasn't to thrilled about the Bulls make up. (I have it recorded) Hinrich I could careless for him. I think he's overrated by Bulls fans. I see this team as the late 80's early 90's Cavs teams and not the Pistons of the 2000s. If you wana lose each season in the second round....... I would love to see Kobe in a Bulls.

Tim Duncan is a robot!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jun 18, 2007 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The we disagree.

Buckle your seatbelts kids. It's going to be a bumpy couple of weeks.

by sue369 on Jun 18, 2007 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kobe and Gordon

Can we pull off a Hinrich/Wallace/Tyrus/#9 trade? I'd do it in a heartbeat. Dominant scoring guards (Jordan, Kobe, Iverson, Wade) don't need to play with a good PG, they only need someone who can spot up and knock down open shots.

I think BG could easily be the point with Kobe in the backcourt. Ben would be a supercharged Hodges/Paxson/Kerr to Kobe's dominant tendencies. Having Ben, Kobe and Deng on the floor at the same time would create one of the better scoring backcourts that I can remember. We would need to get some rebounding help but that would be fun to watch.

by nateroth on Jun 18, 2007 2:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hawes staying in.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=2907798

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 18, 2007 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Did anyone watch the ESPN update on Kobe?

The 3 teams are now Dallas, Suns, Bulls but it looks like the Bulls are the only logical place. The Bulls have now started to look into the Kobe trade idea to see what would work without gutting the team.(Ric Bucher)

Tim Duncan is a robot!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Jun 18, 2007 5:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Until I hear it from

Pax himself I'm not putting much into it.

Buckle your seatbelts kids. It's going to be a bumpy couple of weeks.

by sue369 on Jun 18, 2007 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sue, are we the only ones

who have converted to BCB also?

Also, I heard through a friend last week that the U of Iowa is a great campus(first thought comes into my head: hey! I kinda know a person from there! kinda, not really, no). Much better than Happy Valley which-- without sounding too full of shit-- is a decent campus in itself.

Rasheed Wallace likes to comment about guys' butts. -"Them butt holes got tighter and TIGHTER."

by NittanyBull on Jun 18, 2007 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol

I guess we must be. The U of I campus us awesome. The Hawks will be playing in Happy Valley this fall.

Buckle your seatbelts kids. It's going to be a bumpy couple of weeks.

by sue369 on Jun 18, 2007 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh yes, they will

Sorry for the loss in advance = P

Rasheed Wallace likes to comment about guys' butts. -"Them butt holes got tighter and TIGHTER."

by NittanyBull on Jun 18, 2007 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pleeeeeeeze

The Hawks will tear the Kittens apart!!!

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Jun 18, 2007 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, The Badgers

will still rule over the 'hawks and everyone else. Watch out for (hopefully) future Bull Marcus Landry. His time is coming.

by KT on Jun 18, 2007 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, only

time will tell. I'm not looking for great things from the Hawks this year but you never know.

Buckle your seatbelts kids. It's going to be a bumpy couple of weeks.

by sue369 on Jun 18, 2007 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

In football

I mean. With a new basketball coach I'm not expecting much for this next season.

Buckle your seatbelts kids. It's going to be a bumpy couple of weeks.

by sue369 on Jun 18, 2007 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Buckle your seatbelts kids. It's going to be a bumpy couple of weeks.

by sue369 on Jun 18, 2007 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sue.. I have to ask

because I generally like your comments...

What is your big beef with Kobe (pun NOT intended)? Do you agree that he is one of, if not, the best player in the league?

If we could give up what Ford was saying we would give up (BG, TT, #9 and PJ (s&t)) are you still against this??

If so, please enlighten me.

Thanks

The red and white

by Scott 9 on Jun 18, 2007 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't like him

in any capacity. I think he is a selfish player. To me he would ruin this team. I hope I never have to find out if I am right.

Buckle your seatbelts kids. It's going to be a bumpy couple of weeks.

by sue369 on Jun 18, 2007 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Truehoop wieghs in...

Others suggest wasting everyone's time by offering Ben Gordon, Chris Duhon, Viktor Khryapa, P.J. Brown, the ninth pick in this draft and a future first-rounder. Honestly, Mitch Kupchak could go to jail for even returning that call. (This proves Blazer Dave's point that fans, and I guess even local writers, tend to overvalue their own players.)

He seems to share my opinion that nobody at the Sun-Times has the first clue how the NBA works.

And with the 9th pick the Bulls select...

by bullshooter on Jun 18, 2007 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

So true...

and I like the sun-times more than the trib in general. They just don't know hoops. period.

That article Hanley wrote before the end of the season about the playoff seeding. How that got past the editor is beyond me (No link sorry). Anyone recall this?

The red and white

by Scott 9 on Jun 19, 2007 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

No Trade clause

Doesn't Kobe have a no-trade clause?
If the Lakers trade him, he will have some major input to where he goes and even who is traded for him. Gotta leave enough pieces left for him to win.

by saiswol on Jun 19, 2007 10:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Kobe discussions have begun

Ric Bucher of ESPN is reporting that preliminary discussions have begun between the Bulls and Lakers for Kobe... whether you like it or not (and I cant see why this isnt exciting) its starting to become a reality Bulls fans!
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/46587/20070619/lakers_begin_trade_talks_with_chicago/

by babybulls on Jun 19, 2007 7:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs