Angriest after a win, naturally
Hey, it may turn out to be meaningless but it sure was fun. The start was fueled by Kirk Hinrich, who was not only hitting shots but seemingly getting everything he wanted on the floor. It was impressive how nearly every shot he took was open and in rhythm. The Bulls needed it too, since Ben Gordon maybe tried to pay homage to his mother by sharing, since he certainly didn't feel like shooting. In fact, he and Luol alternated bad halves, but overall played well. I don't know if they solved the zone but it sure looked like they figured something out this game offensively.
The Bulls dominated the boards today 51-33, and Ben Wallace was 17 on his own. He even staved off the Whack-A-Wallace strategy by making 3 of 4 from the line. But that strategy shouldn't have been in play because there was no excuse for letting the game get close. I'll now spend the rest of this post bitching about Skiles....
Look. The only two negatives today were Nocioni and Duhon. And I'm not extrapolating that one-game +/- into a whole team rotation philosophy, you can simply look at how these two are performing and realize they do not deserve the time right now. Starting with Nocioni, who is clearly hurt and while he can still take a few flat-footed three-pointers he's otherwise a complete liability. He compounds being slow on defense by still trying to roam and help knowing he can't get back to his own man on time. So he either doesn't get back at all or fouls when he arrives late. Duhon is completely useless, and whoever's guarding him knows that he has no willingness to take a shot.
(That was actually a problem with a lot of the Bulls today, I couldn't believe how many times they would be up in the air and then freeze and try to pass it off. Once you're up, just commit, and know that at least you have a good offensive rebounding team who may collect the miss. Even Hinrich was doing it in the 4th quarter after he had such a great start to the game.)
Back to the incredible shrinking lead: seven and a half minutes into the 3rd quarter and Skiles takes out PJ (which as a credit to Skiles, didn't leave PJ out there for the whole game as in game 3) and puts in Nocioni. It was complete insanity. Looking back at Noc's first half, he managed to pick up 3 fouls and 1 rebound in his six minutes, and as I detailed a couple grafs up was unable to stay with anyone on defense. Tyrus Thomas comes in near the end of the first half and the Bulls gain 10 points on their lead when he's out there. So now it's the 3rd quarter, the lead is up to 20, the crowd is into it and begging for the Bulls to put the game away, and it seems the perfect time to get the rookie into the game. Instead Skiles gets the tight butthole (as Sheed would say) and goes with his hobbled veteran, signaling to his team and us in the stands that he is content just letting the game get close as long as there aren't any mistakes. That's a tough mind-reading job on my part, especially since Noc is just as mistake-prone and the Bulls all season are better with Tyrus on the court, but that's what seems to be the rationale.
This mistake is compounded severely to start the 4th quarter, when Skiles trots out this gem: Duhon/Hinrich/Deng/Nocioni/Brown. To switch to Hubie prose: Against a team that you're outworking and should be out-athlete-ing (huh?), you bring out your slowest frontcourt and a guard who has no willingness to shoot. That's how you can choke away a lead, and Skiles almost choked this game, not the players. The bigs are slow to rotate on defense, the offense stalls with immobility and tentativeness, and the rebounding suffers on both ends. The lead drops 7 points in about 2 minutes, the Pistons now have reason not to pack it up for Auburn Hills.
Thankfully, in comes Tyrus to save my sanity. Yes, his offensive game is, er, developing (although it's not near hopeless, you can see decent form on the jumper and skill in his post moves) but at least he attacks the rim. Tyrus comes into the game and gets to the line twice in the next several possessions. That's how you keep a lead, by maintaining pressure, not simply by holding the ball and hope for the best. Tyrus played the last 9 minutes of the game (except for a bizarre one-possession sub of Duhon to try and go small, what the hell that was about we'll likely never know) and the Bulls win comfortably.
It's not just that when he's out there the team performs better, in fact in some games this postseason that isn't the case. But you can see that Nocioni is hobbling and near-useless, and Tyrus isn't bringing just 'energy' (barf), but a willingness and ability to attack the rim on offense and challenge the same such attempts on defense. In a playoffs where he's been called scared he was the least scared guy on the team.
And the evidence keeps mounting for him and Thabo (it's time to accept that Duhon cannot be effective against Detroit, for myriad reasons) to get more time this series and while Skiles sometimes has rewarded them for a given game, it never translates to the next one and we always see them as the first two off the bench. Maybe it'll take Paxson ripping these favorite toys from Skiles hands in the offseason, but I sure would like to see it sooner. They're down 3-1 and any game could be their last this season.
Time to quit playing the same bench with a not-to-lose mindset and give the rookies a chance to help you win. I don't mean that they could've won this series by playing Tyrus more, as I've said many times if the core guys don't play well the bench decisions don't matter. But they did play well enough today and the Noc/Duh tandem was the only thing keeping them from a blowout. The Bulls have to get a lot better to compete with the Pistons for the rest of this series, but that's one easy way to start.
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i wonder how we'd be doing in this series
by hongydraw on May 13, 2007 7:53 PM CDT 0 recs
doubtful in my opinion
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
May 13, 2007 8:10 PM CDT
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not that good?
by bullshooter on
May 14, 2007 9:53 AM CDT
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Matt
by preverbal on
May 14, 2007 10:43 AM CDT
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firstly, the Pistons are a bad matchup for him
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
May 14, 2007 10:56 AM CDT
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well put Matt
by babybulls on May 13, 2007 8:01 PM CDT 0 recs
I really hope
As much as Noc is a detriment now (mostly because of Skiles' irrational love for him), he was an important player to have for the last few years. And Du will definitely be a starting PG in this league. Maybe not a very good one, but better than many now.
Who can we get for these two, either individually or packaged?
by Chalkwhite on May 13, 2007 8:13 PM CDT 0 recs
TT is
I hope the Bulls team that played today is the one that shows up in Detroit on Tues.
by sue369 on May 13, 2007 8:22 PM CDT 0 recs
His jumper actually doesn't look bad
by Chalkwhite on
May 13, 2007 8:23 PM CDT
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TT is
by SRQman on
May 13, 2007 8:25 PM CDT
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nearly every shot he took was open and in rhythm.
Don't know if you could see Kirk's expression early on in the game -
But I saw a look on his face...blank...like...I'm not sure I've ever seen it before...
It was an "I'm playing for everything and don't care what happens" look.
Dazed...but focused at the same time...
At least that's what I saw.
Hope you had fun at the game, and I hope you get to go to another one later this week.
GO BULLS!!
by Bluelou on May 13, 2007 8:23 PM CDT 0 recs
I believe that
by sue369 on
May 13, 2007 8:31 PM CDT
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I thought
by Knowledge32 on
May 14, 2007 8:27 AM CDT
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heh
That's called drive and kick.
by Paxson Jackson on
May 14, 2007 8:34 AM CDT
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Pax Jacks
by Knowledge32 on
May 14, 2007 8:38 AM CDT
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Actually
by bullshooter on
May 14, 2007 8:42 AM CDT
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since the thesaurus is out
by Boney on
May 14, 2007 8:52 AM CDT
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I'd advise you to buy a sense of humor,
by Paxson Jackson on
May 14, 2007 8:53 AM CDT
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maybe you're right
by Boney on
May 14, 2007 10:18 AM CDT
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so 'by way of'
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
May 14, 2007 10:21 AM CDT
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oops
by Boney on
May 14, 2007 10:28 AM CDT
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Come on
by sue369 on
May 14, 2007 10:50 AM CDT
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He's right.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on
May 14, 2007 10:17 AM CDT
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Then you have not
by sue369 on
May 14, 2007 9:49 AM CDT
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Well said
by Big D on May 13, 2007 8:30 PM CDT 0 recs
'well said' back at ya
I hope a bad team out there thinks adding Duh and Noc could help get them to the playoffs, which, who knows, they may.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
May 13, 2007 9:26 PM CDT
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The only thing
by sue369 on May 13, 2007 8:34 PM CDT 0 recs
Right on, Matt
I agree about this being a bad matchup for Duhon. He can't guard anyone on their team, and still won't take the open looks (though he did knock down a BIG three when he had to which I was pleased to see). Again, eight-ish man would be right for him.
I was out of the country all last week and missed the first three games. The roommate (big Pistons fan) said that it was embarrassing how much trouble the Bulls were having with the zone and that Skiles got very defensive when questioned about it. He said that Skiles made no adjustments in those games. Does that sound right to you guys? I said that didn't surprise me b/c the team struggled with zones throughout the season, although were a bit better towards the end (for instance, Miami tried a zone and got severely burned).
Also, with his new contract, can't Kirk pay for him mom to get a little dental work? It's the least he could do.
Finally - it is great to see the Bulls playing on Mothers' Day again - even if we'll probably lose this series in five. I still am glad we're in the second round. Also love Deng giving the shoutout to "all the mothers". He's the best...
by corey williams corey benjamin on May 13, 2007 9:11 PM CDT 0 recs
It's mother's day
by bullshooter on
May 13, 2007 9:49 PM CDT
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Admittedly...
by corey williams corey benjamin on
May 14, 2007 8:13 AM CDT
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none taken by me
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
May 14, 2007 8:57 AM CDT
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Hey I was
by sue369 on
May 14, 2007 10:21 AM CDT
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Kirk's sis, otoh,
by KT on
May 14, 2007 3:57 PM CDT
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Should have played Tyson more.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 13, 2007 9:14 PM CDT 0 recs
oh my god
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on
May 13, 2007 9:15 PM CDT
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Tyson?
Or Mike?
by Chalkwhite on
May 13, 2007 9:15 PM CDT
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Here's the thing
As for Skiles, he played Deng the whole game and Hinrich for "only" 45 minutes. I don't know how anyone can expect Deng to have anything in the 4th or Hinrich either. Both shot poorly in the 4th. Thabo could sub for Deng for a couple of minutes. He must be another "peripheral" guy. Would anybody be shocked if I said I don't get Skiles?
by bullshooter on May 13, 2007 10:06 PM CDT 0 recs
I think the idea is
by Chalkwhite on
May 13, 2007 10:09 PM CDT
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There is no bigger
So we need someone bigger, who can guard folks like Billups, and who can take over the ball-handling duties in this offense from time to time.
I'm just wondering if that "someone" wasn't Brandon Roy.
by Chalkwhite on
May 13, 2007 10:25 PM CDT
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yikes
by Paxson Jackson on
May 13, 2007 10:29 PM CDT
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Yikes
And I was one of those pushing hard for the Bulls to take Roy last draft. I am obviously enamored with Thomas (see my sig), but in my worst imaginings I still see Roy in a Bulls uniform gobbling up Duhon's minutes.
by Chalkwhite on
May 13, 2007 10:32 PM CDT
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Deng can kick the ball
by Paxson Jackson on
May 13, 2007 10:36 PM CDT
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He's not terrible
by Chalkwhite on
May 13, 2007 10:44 PM CDT
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its not about %
by NY Chicago Fan on
May 14, 2007 6:56 PM CDT
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I'd say
The problem is, when he's on the court, he's either a) replacing Gordon, thus crippling the offense or b) replacing Hinrich, thus depleting the defense. This is exacerbated by the Bulls already having a player in Big Ben that doesn't command on offense. He just doesn't fit in as well as he would on another team.
by Craig Hodges Explosion 3000 on
May 13, 2007 10:45 PM CDT
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Speaking of which...
by Craig Hodges Explosion 3000 on
May 13, 2007 10:32 PM CDT
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I really think they can handle heavy minutes
It's the playoffs and the rotations shorten (I'm sure we would've seen 40+ for Chauncey and Rip if the games had been close this series), the best players need to be out there as much as possible. Plus the TV timeouts in the playoffs seem nearly twice as long, which should help. It's hard to prove that the rest early in the game allows for more agressiveness later. I'm not saying it isn't possible but I'm not willing to make that leap.
Not that I don't advocate giving them some rest though. Agreed on Thabo, not only could he spell Deng for a short stretch, but Hinrich too
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
May 13, 2007 11:47 PM CDT
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I think what you mean is...
by colintj on May 13, 2007 10:10 PM CDT 0 recs
Nah
by Paxson Jackson on
May 13, 2007 10:14 PM CDT
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I only hope that whatever Paxson does,
Meanwhile, a lot of people who don't watch Chicago games seem to be high on Duhon. I remember one article linked from here recently saying he could be the point guard on a championship team (right...). Plus, the pool of guards is pretty thin this off-season. So maybe we could swing something nice with him. It's not that I don't like the guy, I just don't think a small defensive guard fits well on a team with two better small guards, one of which is defensive.
by Craig Hodges Explosion 3000 on May 13, 2007 10:22 PM CDT 0 recs
Sam Smith would
by Paxson Jackson on
May 13, 2007 10:35 PM CDT
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I didn't say what a fair deal would be.
I would agree that Thomas is the future at that spot. Either that or he's a disappointment.
by Craig Hodges Explosion 3000 on
May 13, 2007 11:01 PM CDT
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What do you guys think of Jason Richardson
by bullshooter on
May 13, 2007 11:04 PM CDT
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They also have a glut
by Chalkwhite on
May 13, 2007 11:10 PM CDT
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I would take him
by Craig Hodges Explosion 3000 on
May 13, 2007 11:14 PM CDT
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obviously, there'd be a trade
by bullshooter on
May 13, 2007 11:23 PM CDT
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Any chance
If they resign Varejao it could work out for them.
Maybe we can also send of duhon for eric snow...jk.
by Sambossanova on May 13, 2007 10:54 PM CDT 0 recs
Duhon
And littler.
by Chalkwhite on
May 13, 2007 10:56 PM CDT
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didn't watch consistently until
win one on their court. make it exciting.
by mike bornemann on May 13, 2007 11:11 PM CDT 0 recs
Wait... Wallace used to play for the Pistons?!?!
Everyone (except Matt) feeling a little better?
by paxson43 on May 13, 2007 11:19 PM CDT 0 recs
I do.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on
May 14, 2007 3:39 AM CDT
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man Im kinda sick of playing
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 14, 2007 3:48 AM CDT 0 recs
I love this kids sign.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 14, 2007 3:54 AM CDT 0 recs
lol
by sue369 on
May 14, 2007 9:54 AM CDT
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Absolutely love this
by sue369 on May 14, 2007 7:32 AM CDT 0 recs
that is pretty sweet
by SRQman on
May 14, 2007 7:35 AM CDT
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I love watching Tyrus...
by tyger1147 on
May 14, 2007 8:45 AM CDT
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Should've been...
by tyger1147 on
May 14, 2007 8:46 AM CDT
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Demoted diary from Knowledge32
But interested in everyone's thoughts. How did we do last night?


