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Anybody want Game4 tickets?

Man, Sunday's game will be like a freaking wake. I guess I won't have anything better to do...

I watched at a bar tonight so it was tough to get a full gauge of the collapse, but if anything the 2nd half  reaffirms what the first two blowouts told us: this team is far far away from contention.

There is no implied destiny involved with these losses. The NBA doesn't work where you lose in the first round a couple years, then the second round a year, and eventually you get to the Finals. It worked that way 20 years ago because they had Michael Jordan. It doesn't work that way for every young team, and the history of the league is littered with abandoned young squads that once had the promise but never made it. The whole situation needs to be re-evaluated, not just because they've lost, but how every time Detroit wanted to put them away they simply did, making this talent gap seem pretty vast.  If it takes minor tweaks (plus internal development) or a more thorough overhaul is up to Pax, but we can feel reassured to know that from what he's told the media Pax himself isn't satisfied with this cute fun little team he's assembled.

In comparison to the roster, I don't think the coach is as much of the problem, but for tonight Skiles wasn't part of the solution either. After getting contributions from Tyrus and Thabo in the first half, they were completely benched in the second. Thankfully our man Duh got a DNP tonight, but even with the starters in the game for most of the second half Skiles bizarrely didn't make any substitutions until the lead was slipping away, and only then it was Nocioni (And if this series hasn't proved the need for Noc to go, I don't know what does) who came in after Tyrus was the first big off the bench in the first half.  In a series where you're out-manned it takes some risks to try and get an edge, and I think everybody was willing to accept the risk of playing rookies whereas Skiles was hoping just to stick with his guys until the bitter end. It was a play-not-to-lose strategy that can't be used in a game that was firmly in control. They had to make it a blowout in the third so the Pistons would pack it in for the night. Once they were let back into the game it was already lost, because they simply use their possessions better.

But a bigger problem than the frontcourt rotation is their supposed star perimeter players, of whom you can't think leads to a championship after such an abysmal stretch in that half. The problem with 'ball-movement' offense is that it gives the ball opportunity to find the other team. It'd be nice for a few possessions to find one player to give the ball to and just let him create, as in the boring yet effective isolation NBA basketball. I had thought Gordon was the type to be that guy but he's been extremely disappointing all series, and like the rest of the team he had a great first half only to fall back towards mediocrity after that. Perhaps a team better than mediocre can beat most of the teams in the league. But it's not good enough to beat a team playing at an elite level, and while there's incremental success this season it does not imply that the Bulls ever get to that same pinnacle.

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As bad as Duhon has been . . .
I would have still rather had him out there for 4 or 5 minutes (but no more) in the second half, at least to give Hinrich and Gordon a rest.  Obviously I'd rather see Thabo out there than Duhon, but assuming Skiles can't play Thabo for whatever mysterious reason, better to let Hinrich and Gordon get a few minutes of rest.  Of course they disappeared in the 4th quarter - they played the entire second half!

by Big D on May 10, 2007 11:47 PM CDT   0 recs

There's a lot of blame to go around
But the biggest goes to Skiles tonight.  I was at the game tonight, and the lack of a rotation in the 2nd half just boggles the mind, especially as the lead slipped away.  I know there's several areas that need to be adressed to become a truly elite team, but I don't think we'll get to that level with Skiles as coach.  Skiles may be the next Doug Collins.  Who is our next Phil Jackson?
I love you Ben, you almost make me forget about...tacos.

by eddiew23 on May 10, 2007 11:48 PM CDT   0 recs

I wouldn't go that far
I get the parallels (that have been going on for 3 seasons) between Skiles and Collins, but there's no way it can be proven until Skiles gets better talent. Benching Tyrus/Thabo for these playoffs is one thing, but we'll see if he does the same next year, or with (hopefully) whatever aquisitions they make.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 10, 2007 11:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I would
Skiles blew it.

by bullshooter on May 11, 2007 9:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i've often had that thought
but i think skiles is a better coach than collins; as for talent, Collins had the greatest player ever, well before his prime, but overall skiles has had more talent. The teams collins had was litterded with future all stars, but besides Jordan, not much in the present

by milesgmsu on May 14, 2007 1:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Blow it up
Skiles, Duhon, Nocioni, Tommy Edwards, Tom Dore, and Benny for Dirk and Don Nelson.

by Paxson Jackson on May 10, 2007 11:48 PM CDT   0 recs

Ha!
You know your team might have a problem when the play-by-play guy as taller than all the players.

by Big D on May 10, 2007 11:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

One more addition
Can we package in Ron Santo as well?
I love you Ben, you almost make me forget about...tacos.

by eddiew23 on May 10, 2007 11:54 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Don Nelson?
That great coach who has never one anything?  Whose teams always seem on the point of something and then fail?  

I'm just numb.  

by KT on May 11, 2007 6:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well...
You can't get Jerry Sloan for Benny the Bull.

by Paxson Jackson on May 11, 2007 8:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This is all I have to say...
in terms of analysis.

Skiles may not have had the best night, but he isn't the reason the Bulls lost, IMO.

The Bulls lost because the vaunted Core went 18 for 53! 18 for 53! Jesus Christ that is terrible. The team scores 30 points in the second half! That's awful! 13 points in the fourth quarter!  They shot 33% for the game! I don't know what percentage they shot in the 4th, but I would guess it was less that 15%!

We outrebounded the Pistons by a large margin. We had more O-rebounds. We limited them to 8 or so second chance points,  but you can't win if you don't score! And the members of the team who are supposed to provide the bulk of the scoring are Hinrich, Deng, and Gordon. They failed. Miserably.

That's why we lost, IMO.

The Core sucked ass.

I don't if it is because they are inexperienced, because they are young, because they choked under pressure when Detroit made a run, or because they simply are too small and unathletic.

I don't know. But in my eyes, Skiles' strategic decisions were a secondary concern at most.

This falls on Hinrich, Deng, and Gordon.

Maybe they just aren't good enough, especially the fucking guards.

I don't hold myself out as an expert, but the Core blew tonight.

What a sh*tty loss.

Sorry for the rant.

by 1958ChiTown on May 10, 2007 11:58 PM CDT   0 recs

It's always the case
if the best players don't play well then stuff like Skiles' weird vet-love and small-ball foolishness doesn't really matter.

The Bulls best players aren't good enough. It's up to Pax to evauate whether they CAN be, and it's more than just 'well they're young so therefore they'll be fine'.

But one reason to advocate complacency is that they have Tyrus and this lottery pick, and hope that one of those 2 turn out to be studs.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 11, 2007 12:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I can't believe that I am going to be watching the
draft lottery with baited breath yet again.

I honestly thought I would still be watching the Bulls in the playoffs after May 22.

I really thought that.

I guess I am a fool.

Fuck.

It's just basketball. Tomorrow my regular life will resume, but right now I feel like I got sucker punched in the face. I didn't see this collapse coming. Losing the series? Sure. But not this.

Seeing Pistons' fans congregate on the concourse and scream "De-Troit Bas-ket-ball" after we were up 19 in the third quarter broke my (fan) spirit.

by 1958ChiTown on May 11, 2007 12:10 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I actually disagree somewhat
Shooting wasn't great tonight, obviously, but Hinrich, Gordon and Deng did score 50 of the team's 74 points.  They also had 31 of the 60 rebounds and all 12 of the Bulls' assists for the night.  Meanwhile, they collectively spent all of 12 minutes on the bench.

The rest of the team, all 5 of them given Skiles' very short bench tonight, shot roughly the same percentage (.340 for the core vs. .333 for the rest) for 24 total points, had 29 rebounds and 0 assists.

If you just want to look at the 4th quarter shooting percentages and points, I don't think you can fairly lump the core together.  Collectively the team shot .160 and had 13 points.  Lu was 2-7 for 6 of those points (but missed 3 free throws), Kirk was 2-6 for 5 points, and BG was 0-5 for 0 points.  So although shooting poorly, Lu and Kirk shot better than the rest of the team and scored 11 of the team's 13 points in the 4th.

So basically, while I'd agree that everyone shares in the blame on this one, I don't think it's fair to blame everything on the core.  Feel free to conclude that there's not a Kobe among them, though.

Yanks sign Clemens: more evidence that the evil empire believes money solves everything.

by wjb1492 on May 11, 2007 1:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

12 Assists tells the whole story
Too much dribbling, no easy baskets.
"Always turn a negative situation into a positive situation." -Michael Jordan

by cubbybear on May 11, 2007 5:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

as usual, you're half right
you should have been a doctor because you unfailingly get the symptoms every time.  The Bulls shot poorly in the second half because they were gassed precisely because Skiles chose to ignore the bench he so diligently developed all season long.  Go look at the box score.  All the guys played 40+ minutes, which is ridiculous.  With 8 minutes left in the 4th the bench had played 24 out of 200 minutes.  Not the way this team had played all season.

by bullshooter on May 11, 2007 8:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Right dude.
Last time it was the rebounding. This time it's Skiles.

You conveniently ignore the one common thread of all of the losses: poor shooting from the Core. We're 33% for the series. The poor shooting doesn't result from fatigue, IMO, but from the fact that our guards are short and struggle to create shots against the long, athletic zone that detroit was playing. Meanwhile, the zone takes away Deng's slashing game and puts pressure on his weakness, creating his own shots off the dribble.

Baron Davis played over 40 a game against Dallas and he seemed just fine in the 4th quarters.

by 1958ChiTown on May 11, 2007 11:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Go look at the box score
here.  The Bulls were 4-25 in the fourth quarter, which obviously brought their average down a lot.  Hinrich was 4-9 through 3 quarters, Gordon was 4-11, but got to the line 6 of his eight times through 3.  Not coincidentally, the fourth quarter was also when Hinrich, Gordon and Deng were playing 24 straight minutes and all over 41 with 47 for Hinrich.  Do you play basketball?  Then you know jumpshoting requires jumping, which is harder to do with tired legs.  Skiles commented on how open looks they missed.  

And does Baron Davis play with anywhere near the defensive intensity that the Bulls do?

And don't call me dude, you're not some teenage punk and neither am I.

by bullshooter on May 11, 2007 11:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you sure about that?
because it seems punkish to start arguments over who's more right about the many things that went wrong with the team.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 11, 2007 11:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

OK.
But I simply think that the cause of the symptoms was the fact that the guards are small and can't create their shots against longer, more athletic defenses. They've struggled all year against those sort of teams.

Skiles may have made errors, no one is denying that, but I think the main culprit is the fact that are players failed to perform. I am not going to give the Core a free pass on the basis of "fatigue." They just didn't play well. That's on them, not Skiles.

JMO.

by 1958ChiTown on May 11, 2007 11:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

they lost the game
of course they didn't play well enough.  The reason why is because Skiles forced them into a situation where they weren't capable of playing well enough.  I think they gave an admirable effort, but does anybody expect them to win when they played the entire second half? against a team like the Pistons that presents matchup problems to begin with?

by bullshooter on May 11, 2007 12:02 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I understand that your opinion
is that they played poorly because "Skiles forced them into a situation where they weren't capable of playing well enough."

My opinion is that they played poorly and shot poorly because they are too short and unathletic to create offense against a focused, longer, more athletic team, especially when that team is playing zone. I think that's why they shot poorly last night and throughout the rest of the series as well (when long minutes were not a factor). I think the guards' lack of size and athleticism, combined with some poor decision making against the zone, accounts for scoring 69 and 71 in two playoff games. I think it also accounts for our series long 33% shooting.

We'll just have to disagree, which is fine.  

by 1958ChiTown on May 11, 2007 12:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Funny that they
beat this team during the regular season. Face it, they are older and more experienced in the playoffs than the Bulls are. Give the Bulls a couple more years and then if they haven't made progress then have your pity party then.
Disappointed? Of course but I'm still proud of my team.

by sue369 on May 11, 2007 12:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sue, you are right.
They did beat them in the regular season.

However, it is pretty apparent that the Pistons weren't as focused then as they are now. I guess this is what Matt was alluding to when he wondered if the Bulls had a "playoff gear" or if they were just a pesky regular season team.

I am not having a pity party. I'll be at the UC next year just like I was this year. I'll always support the team, but right now I am trying to engage in a pretty blunt assessment of opur porspects. Not saying my assessment is perfect, just my honest thoughts.

by 1958ChiTown on May 11, 2007 12:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It may be focus
but both teams are now at full strength, too.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 11, 2007 1:01 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess this could go to Matt too...
Both teams are now at full strength, and that's not a knock against the Bulls (who could've easily taken advantage of the situation themselves and won #1 seed and then watched DET possibly struggle against MIA).

I think DET matches up well with teams that have a low post focus because let's be honest, Sheed may be decent on defense but Webber and Dyess aren't all that great down low.  All 3 big men constantly get in foul trouble, so a low post presence is what's needed to beat DET.  DET aren't world beaters, they can handle teams that run and gun because they have the size and muscle to knock guys off picks, and they slow the tempo down a bit.

I'm surprised CHI hasn't won at least 1 game, because of all the years DET has had moderate success in the playoffs, they've never put together 7 straight solid games.  There's always a "Brain fart" game, whereas this postseason they've had 2 "brain fart" halves in different games (Game 3 of both series).

Get the brooms!! Deeeeeeeeee-troit Bassssssketball!

by Boney on May 11, 2007 2:46 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

defensive intentisty
is mroe than made up for the speed at which they play

by milesgmsu on May 14, 2007 1:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmm young teams with promise.
1998 Washington Bullets. Webber, Howard, someone else...
young Mavericks Jim Jackson, Mashburn, Kidd.
Orlando Magic Shaq, Penny, Nick Anderson.
God please win tonight.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on May 11, 2007 12:00 AM CDT   0 recs

the magic went to a final
but injuries and trade and inept coaching ruined that team

you could prolly throw the late 80s early 90s cavs into that mix...same type of team

and the warriors for every year until this one

and the most obvious....2001-2002-2003 bulls

by milesgmsu on May 14, 2007 1:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

mid 90s atlanta hawks
nice roster, solid coaching, strong "effort" and defense every night

they even finished with the best record in the East in 93-4

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ATL/1994.html

they never went anywhere

i see parallels, except Mookie Blalock and Steve Smith were better players than KH and Ben, and Mutumbo was better than Wallace

by fireskiles on May 11, 2007 1:49 AM CDT   0 recs

terrible comparison
So the Hawks' journeyman backcourt was better than Hinrich and Gordon, but no mention of Nique? Shouldn't you be blogging about Gil Meche's gold jock strap or something?

by Paxson Jackson on May 11, 2007 8:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

certainly more interesting than Boney-Vision,
but I did like Mookie. The unnamed, linked band is at best unlistenable.

by Paxson Jackson on May 11, 2007 9:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

leave the ex-mariner alone
injures ruined what could have been a much more impressive career

by milesgmsu on May 14, 2007 1:16 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You forgot Kevin Willis
Willis had a great year when the Hawks posted the best record in the East.

In fact, I'm pretty sure Mutumbo was still in Denver then.  He was on the Nuggets team with Rodney Rogers, Chris Jackon (Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf), & Laphonso Ellis that was the first 8-seed to knock off a 1-seed (Seattle).

Wrecked 'em? Damn near killed 'em!

by mdmnd9294 on May 11, 2007 10:55 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I just followed the link
Yeah, no Mutombo yet. A serviceable Danny Manning though. You can't compare Danny to Ben Wallace. So Mr. Royals Review even linked to Basketball-Reference and screwed up the roster.

by Paxson Jackson on May 11, 2007 11:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

im an MSU homer
and i wouldnt dare say steve smith is better than ben....and mookie while underrated is no way better than KH

granted nique was out of this world and perenally underrated....and mutombo isnt much better than wallace....and inch for inch and pound for pound id take ben wallace

by milesgmsu on May 14, 2007 1:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Nocioni...
...I think he's lost some of his energy and passion due to his lingering foot injury.

He'll probably be resigned because Pax loves him and his recent poor play has made him affordable.

by seang03 on May 11, 2007 7:20 AM CDT   0 recs

both teams played hard
I'm looking for a home.

by Boney on May 11, 2007 8:14 AM CDT   0 recs

one positive to come out of last night's game..
it gives the Bulls organization a chance to save money on traveling back to Detroit?  saving money is always good
Get the brooms!! Deeeeeeeeee-troit Bassssssketball!

by Boney on May 11, 2007 8:45 AM CDT   0 recs

Stop flame-baiting
I'd rather discuss the Bulls than Boney's Rivalry Updates.

by Paxson Jackson on May 11, 2007 8:52 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed
Boney, start testing your wares at a cavs or nets blog or something. Your 'I'm just here to talk to smart fans' speech before this series was obviously full of shit.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 11, 2007 9:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no matter what
Of course, I'm happy Detroit was able to pull out the W after playing horribly in the first half...  

Whether I come out here and say "get out the brooms" or "both teams played hard" it gets hammered...

oh well

Get the brooms!! Deeeeeeeeee-troit Bassssssketball!

by Boney on May 11, 2007 2:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

poor boner
So what if you get the same response no matter what you say? being a jerk is being a jerk, and if you're response to a surly welcome is to act that way then just don't bother.

It's hard to flame-bait and then try and pull back from it right afterwards with more lucid commentary.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 11, 2007 2:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

All I'm saying is
give credit where credit is due.  But then again I wouldn't be surprised if Hinrich comes out sometime during the ECF and say how he wants to play Detroit again because they "gave" them the series.

The coach doesn't match the personnel.  The only players on the team that play the defensive style that Skiles wants is Adrian Griffin, Ben Wallace, and Hinrich.  Tyrus Thomas is undisciplined still, but he's a rookie.  PJ Brown is on his way out of the league.  BG can't play defense against bigger guys.  Luol is still learning, but he will be great.

If this team wants to be "run and gun" like they were in the MIA series all the time, then hire a coach from the PHO or GS group of coaches.  I think Dell Harris would be a good hire for CHI, if you ask me.

Get the brooms!! Deeeeeeeeee-troit Bassssssketball!

by Boney on May 11, 2007 3:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

you're just a dude
You're not in the Pistons organization and don't need or get credit, sorry.

We're not in the Bulls organization (although I'll try anyway to pass along your advice to Hinrich) and, more importantly, want to talk about the Bulls more than the Pistons.

Seriously, start a blog of your own or something, I can even give you your first post headline: "Dude! Bulls need a Dell"

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 11, 2007 3:28 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

how about reading what the post says
it didn't say anything about giving me credit.

My reply simply stated the "scheme" doesn't match the personnel outside of Hinrich, Griffin and Ben Wallace.

If the Bulls want to run, hire a coach that has coached in a system that runs.  If Paxson (the GM) wants to keep Skiles and his "by the book, wanna-be LarryBrown hardnosed about everything" attitude, then pick up guys like Trenton Hassell, Aaron McKie, George Lynch and Theo Ratliff.  There are reasons why guys like Gordon don't play well in Larry Brown or Skiles' systems, they don't fit in it.  Skiles system should have one low post player, and one perimeter player.  The rest should be serviceable, and solid on defense.  They don't rely on their bench all too often, but Ty Thomas and Thabo are a good start.  That's how the Skiles and Larry Browns of the world win.

Look at the Spurs... look at the 03-04 Pistons... look at the 00-01 6ers...  you'll see the supporting cast is stronger than most teams "big 3".  That's why Ben Wallace wanted out of D from last year, he didn't fit in Flip's scheme, and eventually would've been basically no better than Nazr Mohammed.

Get the brooms!! Deeeeeeeeee-troit Bassssssketball!

by Boney on May 11, 2007 4:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

why we don't listen to you
"Trenton Hassell, Aaron McKie, George Lynch and Theo Ratliff."

We don't sign those guys because we like to, ya know, win and stay under the cap

by milesgmsu on May 14, 2007 1:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Matt's Right!
Because we're obviously not smart fans....haha

by milesgmsu on May 14, 2007 1:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Deng, Gordon, Hinrich - good players- not leaders
What this game showed was that when things started to unravel there was no one on the floor to get the team refocused.

Deng got tentative, Gordon reverted to  one on one dribbling down the shot clock and Hinrich wouldn't (couldn't) take charge of the offense.

I don't see any of these three being the leader of a top level team. None of them want the job.

Ye OldeBull

by OldeBull on May 11, 2007 9:22 AM CDT   0 recs

leaders and/or 'best' players
I know Ben Wallace (and Brown and Griff) was brought in for vet leadership, but it's hard to have a role player (which he is, albeit a very good one) also be the leader.

I don't think is as much wanting the job as being able to handle it, 'refocusing' the team can be as simple as just giving a guy the ball and know he's going to get somebody (including himself) a good shot. They all completely failed when given this chance in the 2nd half yesterday.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 11, 2007 10:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

raucous crowd...
I saw a recap mention a "raucous" crowd at the UC last night.  ESPN musn't have done justice, because the UC seemed more like a grave on tv than a do-or-die crowd.

by bpa on May 11, 2007 9:31 AM CDT   0 recs

If the writer of that recap happened
to be sitting in the press box, I can understand why he might have thought that the crowd was "raucous."

The entire 300 section just below the press box was a WWF Smackdown, especially in the 4th quarter. The anger of the crowd was palpable. It got ugly. A lot fights between Bulls fans and Pistons' fans. Thrown beers, the works.

by 1958ChiTown on May 11, 2007 12:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yup
Astute analysis Matt. This team just doesn't have  a guy who can make things happen on offense by himself and I'm worried Gordon is never going to develop into that guy. Gordon is also the only guy who has that sort of potential. I once gave a huge diatribe about Skiles being this team's problem. I was wrong even though Scotty did fuck up the second half by benching Tyrus and Thabo who were clearly part of the Bulls pulling away in the first place.

Nonetheless I think there is some hope in the internal development route to the finals. If Thomas steps up his game, - and don't most guys in their second season? - He's going to be a monster to deal with. Not superstar of course but just a pain in the ass matchup for every opponent. This could take just enough pressure off the perimeter guys to give them some breathing room to score in a series like this next year.

by theundergroundman on May 11, 2007 10:01 AM CDT   0 recs

Too short
As good as Gordon is, and he's a very good player, it takes a very exceptional player (AI, Nash, Isaiah ::vomit::) to become that superstar guy at Gordon's size.

Most guys at that size succeed at PG, not SG.  He's done a great job to get where he is as a SG, but he's not a PG and history shows very few guys that size make that leap to the elite at SG.

I'm not saying this is Ben's fault, by the way.  I like Pax's plan, but relying on Gordon to become that guy looks like a mistake.

Wrecked 'em? Damn near killed 'em!

by mdmnd9294 on May 11, 2007 11:14 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Simple as this . .
Win game 4. Try and upset them in game 5. Game 6 should be easy cause it will be at home and Detroit will be feeling the pressure. Then game 7 will be an accomplishment in itself.

::Simple Fan Talk::

The only Yi Jianlian fan here

by Option27 on May 11, 2007 10:10 AM CDT   0 recs

LETS GO BULLS
NEVER DIE! RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWR

by SRQman on May 11, 2007 10:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I love this team!
GO BULLS!!!
Disappointed? Of course but I'm still proud of my team.

by sue369 on May 11, 2007 10:27 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

My thoughts
on the game after a night to sleep on it.

I thought TT and Thabo should have at least been given a chance to try to bring something in the second half. I think both of them will bring some much needed help next season.

Ben Gordon should never be allowed to dribble the ball. Why does he dribble into the lane where the opponents are at least 5" taller than he is and try to shoot?

I've always been a fan of Nocioni but it's time for him to part company with this team and he can take Duhon with him.

I will be praying like hell that we get what we need in the draft.

Disappointed? Of course but I'm still proud of my team.

by sue369 on May 11, 2007 10:25 AM CDT   0 recs

Noc seems to be hurt pretty badly
Worse yet, the status of Bulls forward Andres Nocioni remains uncertain for the rest of the series.

According to a source close the situation, the pain and swelling in his strained right foot had worsened to the point that Nocioni began to take anti-inflammatories and painkillers in recent days.

The source said Nocioni would be required to wear a protective boot for 45 days after conclusion of the playoffs. He will be required to stay off the foot for at least 60 days.

by bullshooter on May 11, 2007 10:27 AM CDT   0 recs

That's too bad.
I appreciate that he's played in pain but I also think because he is in pain he has hurt this team.

Probably won't be playing for his country this summer.

Disappointed? Of course but I'm still proud of my team.

by sue369 on May 11, 2007 10:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's on Skiles
No player is going to say they're hurt and can't be in a playoff game (ok, maybe Vince Carter), Skiles had to see he wasn't performing and bench him.

Rick Morrisey had a great line today about Skiles sticking with 'his guys':

Can someone explain Skiles' infatuation with Brown and his displeasure with Thomas? Because Skiles' explanation isn't cutting it.

"Tyrus is a peripheral player for us right now," Skiles said. "He's a good role guy off the bench, but our main guys, I wanted to leave the game in their hands."

You lose Games 1 and 2 by a combined 47 points, your main guys and their hands don't deserve special treatment.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 11, 2007 10:35 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

back and forth
Matt, I love how at the top of the page, you say that until Skiles gets more talent, he can't be thrown in the mix of possible changes.  Then at the bottom of the page, you say Skiles obviously fucked up by playing a guy on one leg.  

by bullshooter on May 11, 2007 10:42 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well, yeah
Just because he fucked up doesn't mean he's fireable. There are very few coaches in the league that can do the job that Skiles has done this season.

I still think he deserves a lot of leeway, far more than sometimes making questionable rotation decisions

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 11, 2007 11:09 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I seem to remember
you frequently and fervently disliking Skiles rotation decisions all season long (see small ball).  This is just one (the second half choices makes it two) example of a questionable rotation decision and you're going to give him a pass?  Is it because he benched Duh?

by bullshooter on May 11, 2007 11:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

there's more to coaching than rotations
Basically, I don't think replacing Skiles with a coach who might make better rotation decisions (and ALL coaches play their vets more than fans want) wouldn't make up for everything else Skiles brings.

And also, those decisions even a game like last night are minor compared to the best players not playing well.

He eventually learned that starting Duhon and benching Gordon was a bad idea, I don't see a reason to think that if Tyrus keeps progressing he won't get more minutes as well.

Benching Duh is a plus in his corner too, no doubt :-D

by your friendly BullsBlogger on May 11, 2007 11:30 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

there's also a difference
between a young team with no idea how to play and a veteran team with three years of playoff experience under their belts.  I think it's evident that the Bulls have learned Skiles lessons of accountability and work ethic.  Maybe Skiles was trying to get them to take the next step last night and do it without him yelling at them all the time.  But if you play one style all season long, you can't expect the players to all of a sudden