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Bulls 107, Heat 89

This fallacy of 'energy' as a predictor of who was going to win was exposed yet again tonight. Throughout the first half the story was that the Heat got sent a message in game one and would try and come out in game two with more energy,  to match the energy of the Bulls.

Well maybe they did, but I had thought they had energy in game one too. Energy isn't the problem, they're just slow. Even while staying close in the opening minutes, the Bulls were getting to the long rebounds (Ben Wallace was great tonight in generating extra possessions), pushing the ball, and aggressively running their offense and exploiting mismatches. The same strategy in that offense was in effect, feeding the ball to Luol down low. Unlike in game one, Lu wasn't hitting the close shots, and started out the game 1-6.

Fortunately Luol Deng isn't the Bulls best offensive player, it's Ben Gordon. What made me impressed with his performance in the first game was his ability to contribute without hitting his 3-pointers. Today the averages evened out, and it was bombs away for Ben. He was 5-8 from three while still being diverse in his shot selection by going inside. What changed was the lack of free-throw attempts, but it wasn't a matter of not going to rim, the Heat did a better job of keeping him off the line. Or maybe they just content with giving up easy points?

'Easy' was the theme of the night on offense for the Bulls. The Heat were slow chasing on screens, and disinterested (Jason Williams in particular) in rotating to shooters. The Heat actually seemed to do better getting back on defense in transition this game (and they had a lot of practice with the Bulls forcing 20 turnovers) but as we've seen in this series: the quickness advantage isn't only manifested on the fast break. In their set offense the Bulls were getting open looks all night, and finished 55% from the field and nearly 65% from 3. It was a remarkable offensive performance for a team that is much-maligned for their inability to score. The Bulls managed to look incredibly efficient even with 18 turnovers, as if the memories of those turnovers were eclipsed by seeing open shot after open shot.

Defensively it wasn't perfect, but the Bulls once again did a decent enough job of guarding Shaq while only using Wallace and Brown (Brown with the +26 in 31 minutes, fantastic on both ends of the floor tonight) and not allowing him to collapse the whole defense for everyone to get involved. The best part about getting these veteran additions is that you don't have to worry about them, and they deserve credit for holding their own in the paint like we've been told they would come playoff time.

The only worry on defense tonight was the times when Dwyane Wade would take over stretches. And most of that was against Chris Duhon, who I had hoped was abandoned by Skiles after Thabo's game one performance but got another stint tonight in the final 4:30 of the second quarter, and again for another 12 minutes beginning in the middle of the third. Granted, Thabo Sefolosha was making mistakes on offense and wasn't as effective on Wade as he was in the series opener, but Duhon was poison out there. It wasn't just Wade getting to the basket, it was the needed help it caused, leaving the shooters (like Posey who hit two threes to end the first half) wide open. Between Kirk Hinrich and Thabo, and especially on a better night from Hinrich where he did a better job of staying on the court, there is no reason for Skiles to have Duhon as be the primary defender on Wade. I'm not saying he should never play, but not when he has to guard Wade.

This could've killed the Bulls if only, ya know, the Heat wanted to stop the Bulls scoring barrage. To end the half when the defense was starting to melt down, Nocioni, Deng and Gordon kept hitting shots and keeping that lead up. In the 4th when you could feel another Miami run coming on, Luol Deng hit 6 straight shots to keep the game out of reach. After that it was, as the Knicks would say, running up the score time.

Riley said something interesting in the press conference when asked about how to stop the Bulls 'jump shooting' attack. Riley rightly clarified that the Bulls don't just shoot jumpers, it wasn't like they're running a play for Kirk, Luol, and Ben to get jump shots. Everybody's constantly moving with and without the ball, and they make it hard on the defense to find the open shooter. Riley further emphasized the effectiveness by saying how since the Bulls have been doing it for a whole season it makes that offense run much easier by this time of the year.

It's that constant movement that the Heat haven't been able to figure out how to stop. Not yet at least, and I'm sure the rim will seemingly tighten up for Gordon, Deng, Hinrich(6-12 tonight on a good bounce-back performance) at points on the road. But if the Bulls keep getting this open while an aged Heat defender flails away a few steps behind, the shots will likely keep falling.

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Is it safe to say a 3rd win...
...either Friday or Sunday ends this series? Probably not quite. But even if the Heat win Friday, if the Bulls win Sunday... I have a hard time seeing them bounce back for three straight.

by tyger1147 on Apr 24, 2007 11:28 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would say that a 4th win can accurately
end this series(kidding tyger). I think that having a 2-0, or 3-1(hello, Lakers) lead is dangerous for any ballclub. Not saying that 1-1, 0-2, or any other permutation is any less severe, but having a comfortable 2-game lead like this can lead to some sloppy play.

I'm officially going to jump on the Nocioni bandwagon, also. Despite his -8 efficiency, I would like to see more of him. Maybe not as much as his 30.1-minute effort in Game 1, but a little more than tonights' 18.6. I don't think Thomas played so well tonight, save the steal he had from Wade in the closing seconds. I'd still like to see more minutes from him too, however(possibly both stealing DUHON'S MINUTES(gasp)?!)

PLAYOFF TIME. LETS GO CHICAGO!

by NittanyBull on Apr 24, 2007 11:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought both Noce an Tyrus
generally played like dung tonight.

Noce had a good spurt in the first quarter, then slacked off. In the third, his defense was horrendous. Skiles was FURIOUS with him at one point for his lax defense on a Walker drive. Skiles called a TO immediately after and came off the bench screaming at Noce, clapping in his face.

Tyrus had a decent little stretch were he had a good assist to Ben Wallace, then drew a foul on Shaq. However, when he got blocked by Mourning, which led to a Miami fast, break, it really changed momentum. He went right to the bench and wasn't seen from again until garbage time.

Luckily, PJ played well enough for both of them.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 24, 2007 11:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BTW, I think the little celbration featuring
Ty and Noce after the first quarter was one of the more enjoyable moments of the night.

A lot of raw enthusiasm there.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 12:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, I saw the verbal rape
that Skiles gave to Nocioni. Maybe it's my lack of confidence of seeing Brown perform at the high level of efficiency like tonight, but I don't think the Bulls should rely on him that much. Hopefully I'm wrong, and the game he had tonight won't be an outlier. I mean, if they can win the series with this type of distribution of minutes, I'll almost be apathetic to who's playing more and who's playing less.
PLAYOFF TIME. LETS GO CHICAGO!

by NittanyBull on Apr 24, 2007 11:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree. So long as they keep winning, the
forward rotation won't concern me a bit.

I don't know if PJ can play at this level consistently, either, but it was nice to see.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 24, 2007 11:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Didn't Skiles immediately pull Noce . . .
After Walker blew by him there?  We didn't see him the rest of the game either.  Funny how after people on here spent so much time debating Thomas vs. Nocioni, neither one of them played much in the 2nd half.

by Big D on Apr 24, 2007 11:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think (think) he stayed out there for a couple
more minutes after the Walker play, but I can't be sure.

You are right, the whole Noce-Tyrus debate was rendered moot by PJ tonight.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 24, 2007 11:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right.
He stayed in there after the Walker lay-up.
PLAYOFF TIME. LETS GO CHICAGO!

by NittanyBull on Apr 25, 2007 12:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's unfair to Tyrus
To say him getting his shot blocked 'changed momentum' more than another player missing a shot could.

I thought he played fine based on what anyone can evaluate in 6 minutes of play (first half, not garbage time). He's getting much better at making the right pass, and he also puts forces teams to foul him.  

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 12:13 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wasn't blaming him.
I was really just noting that he was yanked at that point.

It was a good play by Mourning.

You are right. His passing has improved tremendously.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 12:19 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought that pass was a little risky
he didn't really have anyone contesting his shot to the point where it could have messed it up, and Wallace looked to have been a little surprised by it. Probably just how I perceived it, though(as long as 2 points are made, who cares).
PLAYOFF TIME. LETS GO CHICAGO!

by NittanyBull on Apr 25, 2007 12:26 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Screw the Heat
Could anyone on their team even go 4 for 5?
Watch your head, Tyrus!

by cubbybear on Apr 24, 2007 11:34 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chris Duhon
Drop Duhon dammit!!! Skiles has to be better than this to see that Duhon's being beaten from almost every angle. If Wade starts feeling better, we are going to start feeling a lot of pain. Thabo and Griffin are better 2nd options to track Wade. Face it Skiles, no one expects to see another 20 point run in a seson opener from Duhon so quit trying!!!

by blackmage71 on Apr 24, 2007 11:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously
I've never bashed Duhon as much as some people on here have.  I've always seen him as a decent backup point guard (with an emphasis on backup) capable of filling in for 10-15 minutes a game.  The problem is, those 10-15 minutes should absolutely NOT be in the 4th quarter of a relatively close playoff game, especially when he's playing as badly as he did tonight.  It didn't matter tonight, but it might if we're lucky enough to advance in the playoffs, because we'll be playing better teams than Miami.

by Big D on Apr 24, 2007 11:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Duhon again.
Im no saying that Duhon is a no-show. Yes he's  decent guard, yes he is solid backup, yes he might make starter one some smaller clubs. But he should not be taking 18 minutes a game, most of it defending Wade. The whole 3 guard formation doesn't work especially when none of our guards are above 6'3.
Let Duhon give Gordon and Kirk a rest but don't use him on the last 4 minutes where we have the game on the line. As i said before, let Thabo and Griffin guard Wade, cause if he's healthy again, we might not be so lucky.
Anyhow, on to GAME 3!!!!

by blackmage71 on Apr 24, 2007 11:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Duhon is terrible
He's 0-4 so far this season and has shot 30% in 14 career playoff games. I don't even think he's that great of a defender. His only real talent is  distributing the ball. I cringe every time he jacks up a shot.

by Mike Aparicio on Apr 25, 2007 10:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It would be sweet beyond belief to steal
game three.

I am already tired of hearing that the Heat came back from down 2-0 last year. (People seem to forget that series was a 2-3-2 format, which makes a difference, in my opinion.)

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 24, 2007 11:37 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What? Thabo?
Thabo was awful defending Wade tonight.  He was way too slow and was beaten by wade at least three times to the hoop.

by Sambossanova on Apr 24, 2007 11:40 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

my +/- lecture series
doesn't begin until the fall semester, but I'll squeeze out a nugget of knowledge now: simply regurgitating the data doesn't mean anything. It's just a fancy box score, people!

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 9:21 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks John Hollinger.
I'm waiting with baited breath for the series on tensor calculus that you'll punch out between answering calls on the twink 900 sex line.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 9:58 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm really not sure what your problem is.
(and I really don't care) but the hatespeech that leaks into your not-so-clever retorts is troubling. The trick to stats is using the right ones, not just throwing them out there. Your problems with math, women, and now gay dudes are noted. Try to stay on task please.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 10:09 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good lord, you are one sensitive PC motherfucker.
Here is my problem with you: You think you are a modern day bard of basketball, some internet Carl Sandberg-cum-Red Auerbach-cum-RA Fisher who enlightens the rabble with every brilliant keystroke.

But you are a complete and utter fraud. Your analysis is terrible. You don't undertand basic principles of logic or deducion. You are prone to wild fallacy. Your best friend is the straw man. Your statistical theories - pulled randomly from odd columns of some Knicks blog - remind me of something that might appear in a Monty Python skit, a Woody Allen movie, or a Harlan Ellison satire about humanity's bleak future.  And to top it all off, you're a pedant, the surest sign of a small mind.

And I find it hard to believe that you don't care what my opinion is, since you follow my posts around like a lost wet puppy in the rain, responding to almost each and every one.

 

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 11:02 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Uh, no?
With the exception of understanding just a little bit of the application of APBR metrics, I'm terrible at math. I'm no basketball savant either. I admit that I cannot quantify everything that happens in a basketball game (or a whole season), and that's what those gosh darn statistics are for. My stastical theories aren't mine, nor do I personally have a theory about statistics and basketball. That "some Knicks blog" is the Knickerblogger.Net Stats Page, and it's the only place where I can watch Nocioni's USG-r skyrocket. The laws of probability govern most of this stuff. Now watch me shuffle this deck of cards...zzzzzzz

I'm not sure where you're getting the pedant stuff from. I lace almost everything with a smart alecky comment, and if it comes off as arrogant I apologize. The idea is that this isn't a serious pursuit, so don't take it seriously. I hate being called "PC," as it implies I have something to gain, or I'm not being totally honest when I call out the ignorance and hatefuckery in here. It's a respect other people thing, not a self-important "I'm more evolved" B.S. thing.

I care about your opinion only enough to mock it, and you continue to look foolish in another mind-reading attempt.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 11:36 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

quick 'courtesy' reminder for everyone
It's not 'politically correct', it's 'correct'.

This isn't bullshitting time with pals. We may seem more familiar with eachother here than complete strangers, but it's a far cry from hanging out with people who know you and would know "you're joking".

And more importantly, if you say something stupid or offensive at least admit it as such and say it was in the pursuit of humor.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 12:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I did a googlesearch
on "hatefuckery", and it didn't come up with anything.  Could someone clue me in to what I need to avoid doing so as not be indulging in hatefuckery.  I know what "rodeo fucking" is, is it at all related to that?

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2007 12:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never thought I would actually encounter any
real person who met the definition of "precious."

Well, other than Jay Mariotti.

But lo and behold, here's another.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 1:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um....
One of you is eventually going to have to grow a pair and cut this shit out, or Matt is going to have a put out the first ever BlogABull restraining order.

And I'm with PaxJax and Matt on the Politically Correct issue.

This shit is getting ridiculous.

by Chalkwhite on Apr 25, 2007 1:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I gotta be honest
after the blowout last night, this is the most entertaining/interesting thing going here today.

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2007 2:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not going to get into
a name-calling contest. This whole episode has been stupid and pointless, and I can go to stopmikelupica.com for that kind of flame action.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 2:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As far as name calling
you do your fair share and it's not like you've sworn off ad hominem arguments, either.  There's no high ground left in this ditch of a thread.  So let's either get this thread to the right margin or start a new diary.  Either is fine with the silent masses.

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2007 2:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the only high ground
I was on was the rug you just pulled out from under my feet. I really don't do any name calling though.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 2:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry man
I had to prove to NinnyBull that I wasn't your stooge.  Now we can get back to making fun of him for living on Planet Dork.

BTW, just so everyone knows, none of the rules apply when it comes to NinnyBull, at least this week.

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2007 3:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well I'm glad somebody does
I personally don't, and I'm guessing the more silent masses don't either.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 2:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is the bottom line on old PaxJax.
I can only judge him by the arguments he has set forth here. And thus far, I've only seen him espouse two actual arguments on this board:

(A) He argued that Noce should play less than Tyrus in this Heat series. (He also insinuates that Noce should be allowed to go elsewhere as a free agent this offseason.) He acts as if such a decision is self-evident and obvious. But look at the facts. Noce has played somthing like 48 minutes in this series. Tyrus has played something like 18. Noce is averaging something around 13.5 points and 4.5 rebounds. Tyrus is averaging something like 2 points and 1 rebound. The Bulls are up 2-0 with Noce averaging far more minutes, points, and rebounds than Tyrus. Yet despite this, PaxJax labors on and stands by his ludicrous argument. (The guy even tried to blame NOCE for the New Jersey loss, when it was patently obvious that the core's performance lost that game.) He has an agenda, and he pushes it even where the indisputable facts suggest an alternate conclusion;

(2) He argues, illogically and speciously, that any attempt to deduce the mental state of human beings based on circumstantial evidence consitutes either "psychoanalysis" or "mind reading."  Yet I can name innumerable instances in which human beings regularly deduce and infer the mental states of other individuals based on just such circumstantial evidence. Notably, our whole criminal justice system, which requires prove of mens rea (mental state), would crumble if jurors were not justifiably allowed to draw inferences about the mental state (e.g. intention, recklessness, negligence, premeditation, etc.) of defendants based on nothing more than CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence (e.g. eye witness accounts, body language, prior conduct, general principles of human behavior). He then compounds his failure to acknowledge the undeniable logic of this position by cloaking his rebuttals in blatant straw men, such as telepathy allusions.

In short, both of the primary arguments he has adduced here are, well, to put it bluntly, bad.

Here is the truth. Skiles knows far more about basketball than anyone here, PaxJax included. In all likelihood, barring a recurrence of his injury, Noce will continue to play more than Tyrus in this series. If that is the decision Skiles makes, I certianly won't question it based on esoteric stats on random blogs (ESPECIALLY when we keep winning and Noce keeps conributing!). And while others have a right to do so, I smilarly have a right to think that their strained attempts are nonsensical.

   

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 3:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BTW, sorry for typos, etc.
I felt compelled to respond, but was in transit, so had to use bberry.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 3:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It'd be great
if you could drop it, too.  You're like a virus infecting every single thread with the Noc thing.  Enough already.  He makes good plays, he makes bad plays.  And the twinkie comment, while humorous, definitely stepped over the line (or crawled under it, to continue the metaphor.)  Is there a way to remove the refresh button from my browser?

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2007 3:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK, it's dropped.
This will be my last post on the subject.

In fairness, the Noce issue really remains in play for the duration of the series, since the prognostications and suggestions made by certain posters applied to the entire series.

I just thought that maybe, MAYBE, certain posters here would demonstrate some modicum of intellectual integrity and honesty. When you take a position, and that position turns out to be blatantly wrong (as demonstrated by empirical evidence and experience), you MIGHT want to admit that fact, if only to salvage credibility.

But I forgot that the internet and blogs in particular are generally the realm of self-aggrandizing hermits who feel they know more than highly regarded NBA coaches. It's like a world full of guys who got rejected from Medill, only to dedicate the rest of their lives to the delusional dream of becoming the next gritty Bob Woodward of the hardcourt, developing grass roots analysis the main stream media (MSM, giggle) and NBA pros could never replicate.

Whatever. Hereby dropped unless it becomes the explicit topic of another thread.  

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 3:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow I just read it and now feel worse
What a pile of crap. You did use a lot of big words though, congrats.

Since I get the last word here, I'll weigh in:

Point (1) can be argued, and lot of different stats and theories about team construction can be put into play. There's no insurmountable group of 'facts' that proves playing Noc more than Tyrus or vice versa is better. And especially not in terms of who to keep for the future. To say so makes you a turd.

Point (2) is your mental masturbation via keyboard. The whole reason (or at least mine) of demeaning the use of figuring out a pro-athletes' mental state is that it's viewed amongst many as completely overblown (i.e. they've become cliches) in most media coverage. So I think it's fair to respond to your assertions over the team's mental state by simply saying "it's not that big of a concern, and you don't know how they're feeling anyway". It's just viewed as a lazy form of analysis, nobody thinks the players are robots. For you to assume we do makes you a turd.

And nobody says they're better suited to judge the team than the Coach or the GM, they're just offering their opinion. Some opinions are more informed and reasoned than others, but it's not very fun if we have nothing to say because the actual people in charge must know better. Meanwhile, you say that while out of the other side of your mouth asserting that your points are more valid than ours and to think otherwise is not playing fair. It's entirely fair, some of us think your opinion sucks. You can keep arguing that it doesn't suck, but don't freak out when that doesn't get as many converts as you wish.

And the fact that you accuse others of having 'an agenda' is so infuriating and wrong I can't even begin to say why. Apparently you take yourself far too seriously to understand. Turd.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 4:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I obviously struck a chord
Don't worry, though, Bob, you'll be discovered soon enough. Your big break is out there. I feel it.

From the sticky keyboard fumblings of Blogabull all the way to the

Ennnnnn

Beeeee

Aaaaaaa.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 4:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you did, can you tell if I'm 'mentally shaken'?
because there's an assumption made by those here that I'm just a fan offering my thoughts, and this is a forum for others to do the same.

Whatever respect those thoughts deserve is entirely up to the reader and probably differs amongst them. It has nothing to do with 'making it' anywhere. I can live with some people thinking I don't know shit, it'd be nice if you could do the same and get over it without whining that your ideas have to be respected because you say so.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 4:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a trick question
Saying that someone is "mentally shaken" presumes that they have functioning mental facilties in the first place.

I just point out the truth. Whether or not people respect it is entirely their decision. Here, the truth is that Noce is playing more and having a better series than Tyrus...and the Bulls are winning. If you don't care about being wrong, why not just admit that you have been wrong about this issue?

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 5:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here is the truth
The +29.5 Off Court +/- for Nocioni in the playoffs indicates that he's playing too much. That's what really happened in games 1 and 2.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 5:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

indicates to me anyway,
but the point is the Bulls aren't in the black (by a fairly wide margin) this series when Nocioni plays.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 6:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whoops I out thought myself
The off court +/- indicates that the team is having more success with other power forwards.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 6:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ugh, it wasn't who's having the better 2 games
and it wasn't about being right or wrong, I'm saying what I think. These two games don't prove anything that changes how I feel about playing Tyrus more (with Noc's minutes).

It's hard to believe you don't read what you write and realize how full of yourself you sound.

And what does guessing how players are feeling (ya know, the 'mind reading') have anything to do with truth?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 6:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would suggest that the person who is
full of himself is the one feels justified in second guessing a great NBA coach. It's one thing to disagree with a coach where poor results occur consistently, quite another to disagree with a coach where his methods are producing wins.

I don't take myself seriously at all. My only function in the Bulls world is to cheer for the players on the court and pay fractional salaries.

Tyrus has a great future with the Bulls. He'll likely be the starter next year. And I think he'll have a huge series against the Pistons (assuming we make it that far) because he matches up well there, especially as an antidote to Weber.

But in this series, I think Skiles is exactly right for playing Noce. And so far, the results support that conclusion.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 6:59 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

then join the fan club
I think most people would understand that if someone blasts (and saying he should play more Tyrus before the series begins is an example of NOT second-guessing, it's first-guessing) the coach on some rotation decisions, that wouldn't automatically mean that person thinks the coach is doing a bad job overall. Maybe I should add some sort of disclaimer for other readers with your level of perception?

You're basically saying nobody should say anything critical because we're just fans. Please go away if that's the case, don't offer your thoughts on the Bulls and stick to what you're an expert in, which apparently is being a jerk.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 7:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Criticize all you want.
But where you recommend tactics (play Tyrus over Noce), and the coach does the exact opposite of what you suggested (plays Noce over Tyrus), and the player you suggested should play "spare minutes" has a huge game one where he makes several critical plays, and the player you suggested should play more minutes averages 2 points and one rebound, and the coach's tactics (again, the exact opposite of what you suggested) results in a 2-0 series lead over the defending world champion, then your suggestion is going to look pretty damn stupid. Which it does. But you've already said you are comfortable with that. So more power to you.

Fans have every right to criticize coaches. But usually the good coaches are right, as is the case here.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 7:51 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Bulls have been
giving up a lot of points this series when Nocioni is playing. You're giving him a lot of credit for only contributing on one side of the court. Nocioni can still get run over by Shaq while playing 15 minutes a game. The main idea (as I see it) of the Thomas over Nocioni argument is the possibility of him out-producing Nocioni on Nocioni's best night, and it isn't a big gamble because Nocioni isn't a contributor on the level of Deng, Gordon, or Hinrich.

No one who thought Skiles was crazy not to start Gordon looks stupid now, and they really didn't 'then' either. The Heat are one of the worst defending champions ever too, and I don't see what that adds to your ramblings.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 8:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know where to even start responding to
this drivel.

Have you ever heard of the principle of Occam's Razor? It's a scientific rule of thumb which says that the simplest explanation is usually the best.

Here, the simplest explanation is that the strategy of playing Noce over Tyrus has, in facted, worked, leading to a two game series advantage, including one game where Noce arguably made the most important play (at least according to Riley).

But rather than accept that explanation, you and your sidekick construct these attenuated, convoluted, and inaccurate statistical rationales for abandoning the strategy that has been proven to work! It's hilarious. All of your theories are based on the entirely speculative position that the Bulls MIGHT win by more if Noce had played less. Complete surmise, of course. All this despite the fact that, on hard paper, Tyrus is averaging 2 points and a rebound! And you do it all to avoid just simply saying that you were wrong. Doubly hilarious.

You keep bringing up that Gordon issue, and you keep missing the point. There was a juncture at which Skiles was wise to bring Gordon off the bench, because Gordon struggled as a starter. Then there came a time when Gordon matured, and Skiles left him in the starting line-up. That sounds like astute player management.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 8:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Isn't that what you shave your
No, no, not going there.

I apologize for being a "jerk" today.

Seriously.

I know you think you're right on this issue. And you know I think I'm right. And no one is going to change their minds tonight.

This is one of the risks of getting too wrapped up in arguments about the team you follow, at least for me. It can take some of the fun out of just being a fan.

I hereby withdraw from the thread.

I hope you are right about Tyrus kicking everyone's ass on Friday.

Good luck to ya' in all your endeavors.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 9:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Isn't this the third or fourth time...
this argument has been dropped? I'm pretty sure it is. Typically when I say I'm going to do something, I follow through with it. Seems those who continue after they said "I'm done arguing" are the ones full of themselves.

by tyger1147 on Apr 25, 2007 11:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I fell asleep
but I thought I'd comment, because I LOVE seeing my thoughts scrunched up as far as possible along the right margin

by jeeves on Apr 25, 2007 7:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When I egged these guys on
I never thought it would get this stupid.  My Dad has a saying,"You should never try to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig."  I've never been in a situation where everybody is a pig.

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2007 9:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And Duhon wasn't?
Duhon did a bad job on him too, and all things being equal, I'd rather have a 6-7 guy guarding him than a 6-1 guy.  Shit, this is Dwyane Wade we're talking about; he is going to blow by people occasionally.  The problem is that Duhon needs help to prevent Wade from just shooting over him all day long, and those double teams led to several Miami 3's tonight.

by Big D on Apr 24, 2007 11:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Woody Page on Around the Horn
someone was arguing a bright spot for the Heat was DWade starting to drive the basket.  Woody Page says something like "He was doing that with Duhon guarding him.  I'm driving the basket with Duhon guarding!"

by wjb1492 on Apr 25, 2007 4:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol
www.tradeduhon.com

by sue369 on Apr 25, 2007 7:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree Thabo had a bad time guarding wade too
But at least when he's in there you feel there's a better chance of stopping him. With Duhon you know the help has to come before Wade even makes his move.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 24, 2007 11:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and
Thabo is better rebounder and has even looked better on Offensive end so I say Thabo over Duhon.  100% agree I'd rather have taller defender and Wade is great so you can't stop him every time.  It seems obvious that Thabo is future 1st guard off bench for Bulls (with current roster), I hope that future is now.  Every once in a while Duhon has nice drive to basket but he continues to not want to shoot from outside which is what Bulls play for.

by NY Chicago Fan on Apr 25, 2007 12:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Final note, then sleep.
I am super excited about winning Game 2.

However, I remember the Wizards series in 05.

Moreover, here is the truth: The Chicago Bulls have not won a road playoff game since Jordan beat Utah in 1998.

That was almost a decade ago.

We are 0-6 since.

We must reverse that trend.

I don't want to come back home for Game 5 tied 2-2. There would be a TON of pressure on the Bulls in that game.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 12:37 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

beautiful sentence matt
"But if the Bulls keep getting this open while an aged Heat defender flails away a few steps behind, the shots will likely keep falling."

by milesgmsu on Apr 25, 2007 6:31 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mornings with JoeJoe
(JoeJoe, diaries are for seperate topics. Or maybe I just like to bury your efforts)
Bulls protected home court thats awesome. Things are about to change. With three games in Miami Im sure we will see a different Heat team. I rememeber last season we had tied the series 2-2 and was telling everyone this was over. Dwade and GP bitching in the huddle it seemed as if there was no way Miami would come back from that. I was wrong. So now the calls will be going to Miami and Im sure they might bring out some of their own chants. I don't know if the Bulls can take a game in Miami I really don't. I don't think they are playoff road ready yet! I hope Im wrong.

Quick thoughts.....

1.We need to win atleast one game in Miami. Two would be nice.

2.Yes I said ''we'' cause Im in that mood.

3.Tyrus needs to play more because he makes up for his      mistakes with game changing plays.

4.Zo is to Tyrus as Kryptonite is to Superman.

5.Zo will block you Tyrus! Manover around his arm.

6.Still we need more Tyrus. I was waiting for that huge play or Dunk but Skiles thought different.

7.No more bad bad little line ups.

8.More Sefo less Du.

9.Nocioni and Tyrus in the same room can be catastrophic.

10.They will eat you.

11.The real Bullshit is about to begin!

12.I hope this doesn't get ugly in Miami.

13.Where was GP tonight?

14.I can't believe GP is still playing in the league.

15.Wallace has been huge and worth the money.

16.When Shaq gets the ball under the hoop just walk away.

17.Sometimes I have thoughts of trading Kirk next season and drafting a 2 guard like Brewer. But thats when he fouls out.

18.Du really is not as productive as he once was. He was productive once right?

19.Miami looks old and bad.

20.I said that last season.

21.I wanted Kirk to tackle Posey at one point in the game.

22.Or have Sweets sit on his face like Earthquake.

23.I saw Earthquake at Woodfeild mall with a 4ft Asian woman.

24.Holding hands.

25.BG was sweet tonight.

26.Deng was on fire.

27.Charles needs to get fired.

28.If it comes back to Chicago and the game is out of reach with a Bulls win I hope to hear some Barkley is a tool chants.

29.Steve Kerr is a pussy flake ass bitch and he bugs me with his bandwagon Bullshit.

30.Tired of Dwades problems.

31.Dwade is always hurt.

32.I hope we can steal one on the road.

33.Go Bulls.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 8:05 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some of that was very funny....
When Shaq gets the ball under the hoop just walk away.

Wallace actually did once. He'll flail and flop and strip and block for awhile, but once he knows he's beat, he just starts jogging away. That was awesome to see that. Shaq wanted to scream after he dunked on someone, but there was no one there! It was great.

by tyger1147 on Apr 25, 2007 8:31 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thabo and Tyrus are awesome.
Andre Barrett, Michael Sweetney, Khryapa, Allen and Griffin...

They're all virtually useless if the Bulls are playing Thomas, Thabo, Duhon and Nocioni. And that still gives them a 9-deep team.

by tyger1147 on Apr 25, 2007 8:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

barkely is a tool is too many syllables
and dont knock steve kerr...once a bull, and a good guy, always a bull

by milesgmsu on Apr 25, 2007 8:39 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is heaven!
I cannot match Matt's eloquent prose but it seems like we are watching a flower bloom.  This team is going from good to something special before our eyes.  Luol improves by the minute.  He hit every big shot in that forth quarter.  BG consistently gets doubled on the high screen and roll opening the court.  The Bulls depth is a real weapon.  I know we had a good shooting night but it seems like we are crossing the threshold from good to being a serious contender.  This is happening while being one of the youngest teams in the league with a #9 draft pick.  CAN YOU SEE MY SMILE?.  

I would like us to win one on the road.

by chgobr on Apr 25, 2007 8:06 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

couple of quick thoughts from SC
my tivo screwed up so i may ahve more later

BG dresses amazing.....the british birth made him look straight out of GQ (who named Big Ben one of the best dressed sports stars)

toine wore what looked to be a velvet suit at the press conference

by milesgmsu on Apr 25, 2007 8:36 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One finally comment...
I think it's interesting how we're debating over Duhon/Sefolosha and Nocioni/Thomas, and all four played poor tonight (to varying degrees) and yet the team won by a comfortable margin.

As exciting as it is to play rookies, and as it becomes more important as the talent/play gets better, average to above-average production from the starting 5 will win a lot of games (again, I say, "DUH!" to myself).

by tyger1147 on Apr 25, 2007 8:36 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, true
If Gordon and Deng play like crap it likely doesn't matter what backup rotation Skiles uses.

But I'm greedy and want big leads maintained with the bench, especially since I think the Bulls bench is better.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 9:05 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong...
I want that, too. I would have rather had the Bulls have no smaller than a 15-pt lead the whole game and won by 27+ than what happened. And against these "lesser teams" (as Miami has clearly shown itself to be), playing the right players can help on off-nights by the top scorers.

And definitely, most definitely, facing the Cavs or Pistons, the Bulls won't be able to get away with poor lineup management.

by tyger1147 on Apr 25, 2007 9:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

question
and this is legit too

whenever a team wins a title theres al3ways plenty of drinking and champage (and drunk D-wade)....

what happens if the guys in the lockerrom are under 21....like HS phenoms....or tyrus....

i wanna see tyrus have to politely refuse the champage this june....then we know PEEJ will ahve gotten to him

by milesgmsu on Apr 25, 2007 8:42 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

answer
That's a stupid question.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 9:17 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

for your benefit miles
;)

I'm no bully, but I hope you aren't planning on calling the police if you see Thomas near alcohol.

by Paxson Jackson on Apr 25, 2007 10:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

totally planning on it pax
no it was kinda a legit quesiton kinda humourous (or what i thought to be) oberservation

by milesgmsu on Apr 25, 2007 11:24 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Energy
is a great fuzzy metric to look at.  But when you talk about energy, you have to talk about stamina, too.  That's what the Heat are lacking.  Shaq can still dominate games for 6 minutes at a time, but he can't do it more than once or twice a game.  The rest of their squad is the same way.  Any one of those guys can make a move and get to the hoop or make a steal, but they are gassed afterwards and can't sustain the effort.  That's why they've been handled.  

Now we'll see if a change of venue has any impact.  But up until the NJ game, the Bulls have been playing better on the road.  I wouldn't be surprised if we get one on the road this time.

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2007 9:14 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wade's dominant run
I think I was most anxious when Wade started carrying the Heat back with 8 straight points (I think Sefolosha covered him some of that time, Duhon might have 'defended' him also).  Wade highlighted his ability to get into the lane and finish.
But what I thought was noteworthy was that at that point the Heat had gone small,a nd the Bulls had gone very small with them.  No Wallace, no Thomas.    Therefore, there was no one to guard the lane.  I don't remember seeing Brown on the floor, but despite his post D, which is solid, I'm not sure he's quick enough to bother Wade.  
I know the Heat spread the floor, but if Walker's out there, why isn't Thomas on him?  TT can definitely get to the basket and at least challenge Wade's shot, make him adjust, maybe flip it back out.  Regardless, Skiles needs to make sure that Chicago always has someone guarding the ane if Wade is on the floor.  I know we want to protect Wallace's body, and that Shaq and Mourning were sitting.  But then Skiles has to trust TT more as a defender.  With his leaping ability and preternatural sense for shot-blocking, he can make whoever is guarding Wade's job a lot easier.

[Side point: Matt was totally right about encouraging more shots for 'Toine- he was awful tonight, at times looking as awkward as a rookie.  But Posey came up big from 3, and he's an athletic defender, so I'd expect to see a lot mroe of him.]

by IrishGush on Apr 25, 2007 9:50 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Worth repeating: offense
Matt said:
Riley said something interesting in the press conference when asked about how to stop the Bulls 'jump shooting' attack. Riley rightly clarified that the Bulls don't just shoot jumpers, it wasn't like they're running a play for Kirk, Luol, and Ben to get jump shots. Everybody's constantly moving with and without the ball, and they make it hard on the defense to find the open shooter. Riley further emphasized the effectiveness by saying how since the Bulls have been doing it for a whole season it makes that offense run much easier by this time of the year.

It's that constant movement that the Heat haven't been able to figure out how to stop.

This is, I think, my favorite thing about the Bulls.  Not any individual player, but the way the offense runs when it is running well.  

by GWKD on Apr 25, 2007 10:04 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

to supplement that
And we know sometimes the Bulls offense doesn't run well, so it's nice to see that Gordon has shown so far this series that he can dominate a posession by himself if needed.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 10:06 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Question
I've been thinking about this since I saw this

This Phil Jackson and Tex Winter Video Demonstration of the Triangle Offense from Truehoop.  What exactly is the offense the Bulls run?  Does Skiles have a name for it?  

by GWKD on Apr 25, 2007 10:34 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the bulls run a motion offense
where the triangle is more about spacing, the motion is more about forcing the defense to react.

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2007 10:48 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true
It's almost college-style. If college players were any good, of course.

Skiles mentioned it last night that they just try and force the defense to rotate so they can immediately go 'against the grain' and pass it back to the open guy.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 10:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So it's no more complicated
than than my high school motion offense?  (if my high school team, or myself, was any good, of course).

Not that I'm looking for anything special, as I am not a fan of complicated offenses which exist only to make the coach feel like a genius rather than actually increasing offensive effeciency.

by GWKD on Apr 25, 2007 11:01 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's about moving the ball
quicker than the defense reacts.  that's why you see Deng getting so many open 18-20 footers.  The ball usually goes in to Deng, if he's not open he swings the ball to the other side and it usually goes to the post.  It's when the ball comes back that Deng gets the open look because the defense relaxes thinking that they've forced the ball back out.  When Deng is on the weakside, he also has the option of making a flash cut into the lane, and he's very effective doing that if the weakside defender isn't paying attention.

Most of the offense is picks on and off the ball.  It's Deng's abilities make the offense effective.  I don't think there's anybody in league who shoots the 18-20 footer as well as he does.  Most guys step back for the 3 and shoot a lower percentage.

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2007 11:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True and True
It is the motion, and it is more prevalent in the college game.  It is the perfect offense to run if you don't have a big man who can score.  Another recent team to use it was the 04-05 Fighting Illini (or whatever they are called right now). They employed the same offense to create more 3pt shot attempts for Brown, Head, and Williams.  This worked masterfully and helped their comebacks, but failed when they couldn't hit the shots in the final game.

As long as the Lu is hitting the open mid range jumper, BG/Kirk/Noch are hitting open threes, and as long as we continue to play defense we will be fine. I am glad to see that they run through this offense so well and that Miami is too slow to keep up with it.

Yo Skiles! More Tyrus and Thabo please!

by SouthSideIrish on Apr 25, 2007 3:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not very good at these kind of questions
As far as I know there is no set system. Just a lot of pick-and-rolls and off-the-ball screens.

um, help?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 10:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed, it makes the pro game look..
...well, professional.  When people tell me they don't like the pro game I tell them to watch the Bulls.  Not one player in the All Star game, but they are a talented group of players working well with each other.  It can be a thing of beauty, like it was last night.

by brianmita on Apr 25, 2007 12:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well most pro offenses
start from isolation plays for the 'stars'. The recent rule changes help mitigate that a bit.

The Bulls only run Iso's for Gordon, if at all.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 12:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love over-saturated playoff coverage
And I'm being honest. Sooo much out there today.

I forgot to start posting random quotes here though while I was reading these articles. crud.

Did, however, remember in time to post some Kelly Dwyer:

Tyson Chandler has a bright future in the NBA; he outrebounded and blocked more shots than Ben Wallace did this season, and he's nearly a decade younger than Big Ben. And yet, for the next few years at least, the Bulls are pretty happy with their recent upgrade at the center position. Wallace may not bring home as many boards as Chandler does, but his ability to stay on the floor (83 minutes in the series against Miami thus far, just four fouls) and hang on to the rock (Chandler turned the ball over on one out of every five possessions he used up this season, while Wallace has four turnovers in two games against the Heat) make him a better fit for a Bulls team that can't use any more offensive millstones. There are just certain catches (picking up a loose ball in traffic, grabbing a pass off a broken play) and passes that make Wallace a superior player even while he airballs a 10-foot jumper.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 10:04 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was cool last night...
...to see a ball that bounced around twice (I think it was Gordon and Thomas) and as soon as it hit Wallace's hands it just stuck. For three quick seconds there was scrambling and an anxious moment. As soon as Wallace snatched it off the floor (about the free throw-line, on the left side), everything just stopped, in a good way. The Bulls reset, ran another play (or started more controlled movement), and it was a thing of beauty.

I don't know whether they scored or not, but the fact that they had a chance and the Heat didn't go running the other way is obviously a big deal... and no, that doesn't show up anywhere on a traditional stat sheet.

by tyger1147 on Apr 25, 2007 10:25 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to bash Chandler
f'real, I like Chandler a lot. But any backlash isn't directed at him as much as the frothing 'why'd they give him away' crowd:
Every time there was a big game to be played (and there weren't that many in his years in Chicago) Tyson either had a bad back or four fouls in the first five minutes.

Ben Wallace will be there, mixing it up, and he'll be needed-as Chandler would have-against the Miamis and Detroits of the world.

In fact, the Hornets had a better chance with three weeks to go of making the playoffs than the Warriors did, and missed. Go take a look at Chandler's numbers during that stretch. Nah, I'll save you the trouble, he missed every game with a sore toe.

Both guys make $60 million. That's absurd in itself, but if you're going to spend it, you might as well spend it on the guy who wants to be on the court.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 1:45 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is anyone here from Miami?
Is it hard to get Heat playoff tickets?

In the unlikely event that we are in a position to sweep on Sunday, I would like to be there to witness the Bulls' first playoff series victory in a decade.

But I am not going to pay some ludicrous amount for a ticket.

Hard to get or easy?

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 10:10 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Stub Hub
has decent prices. I went to the game last night and got great seats. It all depends on your price range.
Yo Skiles! More Tyrus and Thabo please!

by SouthSideIrish on Apr 25, 2007 3:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If the bulls are going for the sweep
I think you'll be able to get tickets pretty easy for game 4.  There is a big scalpers market there, at least there was when I went to a game last winter.  Just don't let them know you're a bulls fan.

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2007 10:26 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

might be kinda hard
if chitown is head to toe in bulls gear AS HE SHOULD BE!

by milesgmsu on Apr 25, 2007 11:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh
Jay Aych:
Gordon came out on fire early and kept up the touch all nite to end with 27 (5/8 from 3pt.), 7 rbs, 5 assts. Not sure there is another guy in the league (besides maybe Kobe) when they get hot, they get as lethally hot as Ben can; he gets NBA JAM hot.

No response yet from NBAJAM legend Scott Skiles.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 10:27 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nice.
I remember when NBA JAM came out, and everybody asked "where's Penny and who the hell is this guy?"

now we know.

by brianmita on Apr 25, 2007 12:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Zone Coverage
I think the heat might start playing a lot more zone coverage and the bulls arent hitting outside shots when playing against the zone the bulls might be in trouble. The only reason we survived that fourth quarter comeback last night is because deng hit all his shots (like 6 or 7 in a row) againsrt the one coverage.

Anyone else concerned about one defense being used?

by Sambossanova on Apr 25, 2007 10:29 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think your 'z' key got stuck, heh
but there's no reason that Deng can't keep attacking the zone as long as he's getting mid-range looks. If they extend it out then the Bulls will just have to be more agressive at attacking the rim. Gordon was able to do it in the first 2 games of the season so that makes me less scared of it.

Plus the Heat seem the type of team that has too much 'pride'(or whatever) to use a lot of zone.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 10:35 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Heat are already
losing the rebounding battle decisively. I doubt a zone is going to do anything to rectify this disparity, so I can't see Miami using it for more than a few minutes here and there just to mix things up.

by ChrisRobin on Apr 25, 2007 4:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heres what i dont get
the zone defense has really hurt us all year; there was a period of 2 or 3 games where we lost them in a row (im thinking det and orl...or maybe memphis and the clips) where the oppoentns really hurt us with zone

You would think other teams would take note of that and us ti against us, but we dont see much of it

so shhhh keep this ont he downlow

by milesgmsu on Apr 25, 2007 11:29 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Bulls don't see much of it
anymore because the team finally got better at beating it.  Tyrus's emergence allowed lobs to be thrown over it.  Noc's return also helps because he can space the zone out farther.

That said, the real test of our zone offense will be against Detroit.  Miami doesn't have the right players to play effective zone.  The one thing a zone could do is limit Ben Wallace's minutes.  

by Scotter on Apr 25, 2007 12:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was doubtful
that Luol could play as well as he did on Sat. but I was wrong. He is just amazing. I hope he can keep up this intensity for the whole series. BG was great too despite his 7 TO's. I also thought PJ played one of his best games this season. Thabo shot well but his defense this game was not as good as Sat. Noch and TT were not at the top of their games but I think they bring a lot to the game. Big Ben had a good game too. Nice to see Kirk have a better game too.

One thing Riley said in his post game press conference was that the Bulls were pissed that they lost the last game of the season so they have something to prove to themselves. Whatever the reason I hope they continue with this swagger or whatever you want to call it. It's working.

Just one small observance I noticed. During the regular season when the team or a player on our team would make a great play a few players (Du mostly) would stand up and cheer. Kirk never did this. On Sunday I noticed when Kirk was on the bench he was jumping up and down (at least he wasn't waving a towel) and cheering his teammates on. I also noticed last night when he was on the bench he stood up and cheered for his teammates. It's nice to see this much emotion from someone who very seldom shows emotion other than frustration. After two awesome wins this team seems to have that winning attitude. Pack it in your bags guys and take it to Miami with you.

www.tradeduhon.com

by sue369 on Apr 25, 2007 11:26 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tyrus, who rarely (if ever) showed any emotion
from the bench during the regular season, was also cheering and fist-pumping continually last night.

It's the playoffs. Players are much more excited about winning.

(Oh, no, there I go again, deducing mental states from circumstantial evidence. Actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea.)

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 11:57 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your wretched German language isn't
welcomed here, bud.

(sarcasm)

PLAYOFF TIME. LETS GO CHICAGO!

by NittanyBull on Apr 25, 2007 12:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Denver tip-in?
Tyrus, who rarely (if ever) showed any emotion

by tyger1147 on Apr 25, 2007 12:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, he definitely showed emotion when he was in
the games this season.

I was talking about emotion from the bench. Tyrus was up and cheering last night on the bench. Usually, he just sits there with his head down.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 12:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Miles, per your request, the 2007 NBA Finals Ticks
My apologies for the picture quality of my camera phone, but I think you get the gist:

I doubt I'll ever get to use them, though. LOL.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 12:25 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well if by some hue hollins bullshit
we dont make it to the finals; would you perhaps be up for selling one of the tix for memorobilia hunters?

by milesgmsu on Apr 25, 2007 12:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let the bidding war begin
Name your price, Miles.  I've got them as well... :)
In Pax we Trust!

by Jobu on Apr 25, 2007 1:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL.
I'll give mine away.

I also have a stunning array of beautiful bobble-head dolls courtesy of the Chicago Bulls organization.

Anyone want a very large Ben Wallace bobble head with an oversized fro? Anyone? Anyone?

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 1:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey
I wouldn't mind that!

by Goostafer on Apr 25, 2007 2:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wallace Bobblehead
Oh man is that thing out of control huge!  I tried to put it next to my Hinrich bobblehead on my desk and (like real life) it just dwarfed him.  I had to put him on the opposite side of my desk.  

On a side note, scariest Bulls bobblehead: Johhny Red Kerr.  It looks like one of those skeletons in high school biology classrooms

In Pax we Trust!

by Jobu on Apr 25, 2007 2:49 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i would like one...
and the tix if we dont win it all

by milesgmsu on Apr 25, 2007 2:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Definatley down
with the Big Ben bobble head.
Yo Skiles! More Tyrus and Thabo please!

by SouthSideIrish on Apr 25, 2007 3:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me too
Give me a price for the Wallace bobblehead and the possibly collectible finals tickets please :)

by daaaabulls on Apr 25, 2007 3:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What about others??
I do have a fine collection of Bulls bobbleheads including the aforementioned Red Kerr, Jalen Rose, Kendall Gill (no hyperbolic chamber unfortunately), and the one and only Da Bull.  
In Pax we Trust!

by Jobu on Apr 25, 2007 3:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Deng's Emergence
I think now that Deng's got some good exposure on the national stage, he's a lock for the All Star Game Next year.  He had a great year during the regular season, and is showcasing his talents on the playoff stage.  He is no longer Chicago's secret weapon.  

by brianmita on Apr 25, 2007 12:45 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thabo struggled defensively,
but a big reason he struggled was that Miami was playing small ball at the time.  He had no help because of floor spacing and because Wade attacked from the top of the key.  In game one, Shaq or Mourning was always in the game with Wade keeping defenders near the basket.  Wade also attacked from the wing where Thabo had a more confined space to defend in.  Wade is going torch just about anybody from the top of the key with no help defenders.  Thabo was also sitting on his jumper since Wade settled for it all of game one.  I'm interested to see how Thabo adjusts defensively in game three, provided Skiles doesn't go back to his undersized security blanket.  At some point you need to live the kid stuff behind, and move on to better things.

Speaking of Duhon, the biggest problem with Duhon is he's not even doing the things he supposedly does well.  He supposed to be a good defender, a low turnover pg, and a decent 3-point shooter that can space the floor.  At least for the last month he's been a stupid foul waiting to happen, a bad turnover waiting to happen, and a stupid shot waiting to happen.    When's he does the former I can accept Duhon's minutes, but he hasn't played well in a long time.

by Scotter on Apr 25, 2007 12:54 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL
That's freaking awesome
PLAYOFF TIME. LETS GO CHICAGO!

by NittanyBull on Apr 25, 2007 1:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh my Lord
I laughed so hard my wife just came into the room where I was ostensibly working with a "what's wrong?!?"

Nocioni: he may be a flawed player, but he makes me chuckle every time.

I'm hoping all the Tyranasaurus-Noc pictures won't motivate the Heat to taking some cheap shots at him, though.  You know Posey's got at least one in him....

by Freethefro on Apr 25, 2007 1:06 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TONIGHT, WE DINE IN
Cafe Penelope...
PLAYOFF TIME. LETS GO CHICAGO!

by NittanyBull on Apr 25, 2007 1:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just reading chat on ESPN.com
and for all you Duhon fans you gotta love this

Tal (Boston): Thorpedo- you always take a beating on here. Sorry bro. I love the defense Chris Duhon plays. Is he underrated?

SportsNation David Thorpe: No worries-comes with the territory. Duhon is recognized as a legit starting pg with potential to captain a champion.

by SRQman on Apr 25, 2007 2:06 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Um guys
let's not disabuse the rest of the league of that notion.  If you don't like his game that much, try to keep a lid on it until after he's traded.

by bullshooter on Apr 25, 2007 2:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's the difference
we all know he'll be playing for the Lakers in a few years no?

by Goostafer on Apr 25, 2007 2:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey Robin, quick question:
how DO you keep your legs so nice and shaven?

http://www.megomuseum.com/wgsh/images/robox1.jpg

I mean man, I'm not even trying to make fun of you. You must shave every hour on the hour.

PLAYOFF TIME. LETS GO CHICAGO!

by NittanyBull on Apr 25, 2007 4:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Poor, poor Heat
and their unfair treatment from the refs and the League.  I guess with nothing to complain about with the officiating in Game 2, they are instead feeling treated unfairly because of Haslem getting tossed/suspended for throwing his mouthpiece last year compared to Kirk's technical/fine.  But apparently there is nothing unfair about Shaq not getting fined for slamming the refs, including Rush by name?  http://www.miamiherald.com/592/story/85775.html

I am just beyond amused at how "us against the world" the Heat/fans are acting - interesting contrast to the "Stern/NBA won't let star DWade go out in the first round" conspiracy theorists and the majority of "experts" that picked Heat to win the series.

by wjb1492 on Apr 25, 2007 4:40 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I loved how that article was set up
The juxtaposition of the first 70% talking about a possible double-standard favoring the Heat, and then it's briefly mentioned at the end: "oh yeah, Shaq didn't get fined for something nearly everyone gets fined for"

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 4:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone see this?
At SI.com,
experts guess the champions.
Mannix picks the Bulls!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/nba/specials/playoffs/2007/predictions/index.html

For the remainder of this series, I will post only in haiku. Hibachi!

by preverbal on Apr 25, 2007 4:55 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOOO
Just ordered tickets to Game 4 in Miami! Can't wait to take the 4 hour drive at 7 in the morning to watch the Bulls take on the Heat.

by SRQman on Apr 25, 2007 5:56 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome
Now we know that at least one person in the stands will bother to show up before the opening tipoff, because we know Miami fans don't arrive until the 2nd quarter.

by Big D on Apr 25, 2007 7:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't worry
the white sheets on the empty seats still make it look WHITE HOT HEAT!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 7:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I may pry, approximately how much did
you pay for the tickets?

Thinking about taking a flight down if we can sweep on Sunday.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 7:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I ordered them off ticketmaster
They were about $115 each. Dead Center 26 rows away on the lower level.

by SRQman on Apr 25, 2007 8:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They have tickets left on Ticketmaster?
Wow. I never would have even thought that was possible. I was gonna go straight to Ebay or the like. Thanks for the tip.

by 1958ChiTown on Apr 25, 2007 9:08 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah
My dad and I were surprised but we found pretty good seats. Just keep on researching and you can probably find a good spot.

by SRQman on Apr 25, 2007 9:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Miamians must not realize
not many opportunities left to see their beloved Heat

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 25, 2007 9:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or They just
don't care. Must be really into their beloved Marlins season.

by SRQman on Apr 25, 2007 9:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Miami has sports fan?
News to me.
PLAYOFF TIME. LETS GO CHICAGO!

by NittanyBull on Apr 26, 2007 3:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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