(most) Everybody loves Tyrus
[Except Paul Ladewski (or more his headline editor) who tries to compare the relative draft value of Tyrus and Jason Maxiell, despite the fact that Maxiell is 3-1/2 years older. Although I do think Maxiell is pretty damned good, and balances out the Pistons' otherwise decrepit front line. But I digress...]
There's a difference between 'energy' player, and 'dunk on your head' player. The former implies that anyone could do it if they gave the effort. And Tyrus Thomas isn't just anyone.
And since I find box scores as entertaining as highlights, here's the last 3 games for Tyrus:
| MIN | PTS | FGM-A | FTM-A | OFF | DEF | REB | AST | STL | BLK | TO | PF |
| 26 | 8 | 3-9 | 2-5 | 2 | 6 | 8 | 3 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 3 |
| 39 | 27 | 9-11 | 9-10 | 2 | 6 | 8 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 2 |
| 27 | 13 | 5-9 | 3-4 | 6 | 4 | 10 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 1 |
What's even better than the production is seeing the lack of mistakes. Tyrus is obviously learning quickly on the job, gaining minutes by reducing his fouls and turnovers. That's a big credit to both him and Scott Skiles. I thought Dan Bernstein made a great point last week when he cited Tyrus' development as evidence that flew in the face of the conventional wisdom that Skiles can't coach the 'typical' NBA athlete. Tyrus may have shown immaturity early this season, and most of us have questioned Skiles' allocation of playing time to him, but I have to give them each credit because the results are there: Tyrus has become a contributor just in time for the playoffs.
And the blessing in disguise may have been the injury to Andres Nocioni, who's weeks-long absence opened up playing time for Tyrus. Now that he may come back soon, will that change? Quoteth the Skiles:
Now, this team (and Tyrus) isn't good enough now where I'd suggest getting a good player like Nocioni back is somehow going to screw things up. While I sometimes roll my eyes at Noc love, that was mostly out of disagreement over his perceived role on the team. But while losing him wasn't the deathblow that his adulators would've imagined, it did reveal that he's still needed: this bench sucks without him.
Nocioni's injury coupled with moving Ben Gordon to the starting lineup exposed a gaping wound in the preseason idea that this team was deep. With Duhon, Griffin, and Thomas they may be deep with defenders, but Skiles is right about needing Noc's shooting. But where I didn't want him to shoot so damned much to take away shots from Gordon, Hinrich, and Deng, the team could use him to come off the bench in spots to provide shots when those players are on the bench. I've seen too many 2nd quarters lately where Malik Allen is the secondary option on the court.
So I wouldn't see it as Noc taking minutes from Thomas, but instead from Allen or Khryapa. I want Noc back, but in that role. Because his old one has been taken by Tyrus Thomas.
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I thought like spacing was the one area the Bulls
I also doubt whether both Noc and Thomas can both come off the bench effectively. Neither can play center, but both are at their best at power forward. If Noc is effective (better than Griff, Allen, and Sweetney) when he comes back, then I think Thomas needs to start to make the rotations work.
by Scotter on Apr 2, 2007 10:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
3-4-5
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 2, 2007 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats the Big deal?
Look at the Cleveland home game inwhich we beat them. Nocioni was huge in the start of the game. His 3pt shooting will take pressure off of Ben Gordon and don't forget how big he plays in playoff games.
I think both Tyrus and Nocioni are active energy players. I wouldn't mind een seeing some lineups like...
Hinrich
Gordon
Deng
Nocioni
Thomas
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Apr 2, 2007 10:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who guards
Unless the opposing coach is a complete dolt (which I won't rule out), they'll immediately go big on that lineup and abuse TT in the post.
by Chalkwhite on Apr 3, 2007 4:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why it's called a mismatch,
by Paxson Jackson on Apr 3, 2007 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having to worry about KG or Brand
by Colossus on Apr 3, 2007 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't
Miami- Shaq/Mourning
Detroit- Sheed/Weber/McDyess
Cleveland- Z-man/Gooden/Varejao
And then, if we get to the finals (God willing) we'll get Dirk and co., or Duncan, or Stoudemire, or maybe (maybe) Yao or Boozer.
I really don't see that being a viable lineup in the playoffs. We still need SOME height, even in today's fast game.
by Chalkwhite on Apr 4, 2007 3:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
by Paxson Jackson on Apr 4, 2007 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
by chitown2atl on Apr 3, 2007 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
better but still concern
by chicago-homesick-blues on Apr 2, 2007 11:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
FanHouse enjoys T-Time also
by paxson43 on Apr 2, 2007 11:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Right On
I just hope that (a) he's healthy and (b) he hasn't lost his shooting touch. He could very well be the difference between an early exit and [gulp] the NBA Finals.
by corey williams corey benjamin on Apr 3, 2007 12:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no capable centers?
by james@lifeinthecell on Apr 3, 2007 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haywood's domination
by fundamentallysound on Apr 3, 2007 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Capable?
Actually the thing I remember most about him regarding the Bulls was after Arenas hit that shot in Game 5 two years ago. He ran across the court and taunted two fans sitting courtside (supposedly they started it).
by corey williams corey benjamin on Apr 4, 2007 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team is so much better now
by roach on Apr 3, 2007 1:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh my F-ing gosh!
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Apr 3, 2007 2:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the rotation is no doubt interesting now
I like Peej, I think he's been fundamental in tyrus's development, and he's tall. I like that Pax didn't trade him for many reasons, but number one in that would have hurt tt's progress. great character guy, height, asset to the team, all that.
but if Noc comes back in midseason form, I'd like to see Noc start, with tt his backup for the sixth man. Peej, I'd like to see swing as backup to center and power forward. Peej looks like he's getting older and he's making too many early fouls nowadays to maintain his starter status.
that being said, I'd like to see pax sign PJ for something like 3-3.5 mil WITH a no trade clause. it'd help to keep him on the bench and foster TT's development.
by brianmita on Apr 3, 2007 5:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Peej gone
by boerwinkle on Apr 3, 2007 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's an expensive coach
I think the whole 'fostering' thing doesn't happen as much as we think. PJ wants to play like everyone else. I'd think he'll either go somewhere for more minutes or retire.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2007 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cant give no trade clause
i beleive skils and pax should sit down with peej and ask what he wants. If its reasonable, sign him for 1 year; gentleman's no trade agreement, and then further gentlemans agreement to hire him as a coach....evidnelty tyrus really looks up to peej, and you can see tyrus is slowing losing the cocky youth atitude he had earlier this year
by milesgmsu on Apr 6, 2007 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How good will TT become?
Let me share something that I never thought I would say - - if we end up with the 9-13 pick do we need to force a pick for a center or should we go after the best talent? I believe Miami needed a big man in the 2004 draft and surprised everyone by taking DWade. Maybe we could get a top player and then trade for a serviceable center. Also, I now thinking we should do everything to keep Noc. We need him off the bench and I tend to agree with JoeJoe above that against a smaller lineup you could play TT and Noc together.
TT makes me smile.
by chgobr on Apr 3, 2007 8:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Best player available . . .
Could Brewer play the 2 in the NBA? If all that happened, you'd have
Gasol
Big Ben, TT
Deng
Brewer, Sefolosha
Hinrich, Duhon
That's a pretty "long" team. I'm not sure Brewer can play 2, but he is awfully quick for his size.
by preverbal on Apr 3, 2007 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was really impressed with Brewer last night.
by chgobr on Apr 3, 2007 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brewer's stock is way up
by paxson43 on Apr 3, 2007 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know others don't like Hibbert
Hibbert's definitely a project, and he'll never be a Top 5 Center, but coming into a team where he'd never be likely more than the 6th or 7th scoring option, I think he could do well. Maybe he could learn a lot about passing from Ben Wallace.
I dunno, I probably overrate him. I'm just a fan of his "story" and was surprised by the offensive prowess he showed since late-February.
by tyger1147 on Apr 3, 2007 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't put him on the floor with Wallace
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2007 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
This is what I would like to see happen. I would also take Hawes for this same role.
by Scott 9 on Apr 3, 2007 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the scouting reports
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2007 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe
The Pistons did it in the 80's, The Bulls can do it now.
Draft the best big man regardless of pick and who's available.
by Option27 on Apr 3, 2007 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
by Paxson Jackson on Apr 3, 2007 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2007 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
If you're saying they should keep gordon on the bench to purposely depress his value, well that's just mean.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Apr 3, 2007 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me explain then
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2007 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the original point
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2007 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
You're pretty much saying he should be on the bench cause of his height.
I know he's not as good as players like Wade and Iverson (yet) but that never cause them to move to the bench.
by Option27 on Apr 3, 2007 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon can still improve the turnovers,
by Paxson Jackson on Apr 3, 2007 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that arguement died a while ago
Now that Noc has moved there, that's not a problem anymore.
As most know here, Ben scores a whole lot for the amount of minutes he gets
That kind of scoring ability should not be wasted just sitting on the bench. As long as Ben can stay outta foul trouble and have less turnovers, he'll be in the game much like Tyrus.
by Option27 on Apr 3, 2007 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thabo?
The real issue is Brewer and Thabo seem to be redundant. So if they think Thabo is a player they should try and grab a PF/C.
by NY Chicago Fan on Apr 3, 2007 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sefo
couldnt agree with you more about veektor
by milesgmsu on Apr 6, 2007 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noc will take Deng's minutes
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2007 9:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Deng's big game struggles have less
Gordon and Hinrich have the skill set to take players off the dribble and create space against better defenders, Deng doesn't yet. Even Noc with his 3-point range as an undersized 4 has an easier time coming up big against better defenses.
Deng is getting there. I've seen him dribble laterally to create space for his jump shot more and more. He gets into the post much faster when he has a mismatch. Those two things are going to be keys for Deng against better teams because I doubt Deng's first step will ever be good enough to allow him to get directly to the basket. If you watch Deng drive, he circles around the basket because he can't get by his defender. I still think Deng is the team's best player, he just doesn't have the skill set to have sucess against the better defenses so far. The upside is that is easier to learn skills with the ball, than it is to learn to play well off the ball.
by Scotter on Apr 3, 2007 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2007 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
by chitown2atl on Apr 3, 2007 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
by bullshooter on Apr 3, 2007 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hearing Noce is running
by boerwinkle on Apr 3, 2007 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lightning doesn't strike the same place twice
Blazers general manager Kevin Pritchard on Tuesday said Aldridge would miss Wednesday's game against Utah and will be out indefinitely while a "battery of tests" are run to rule out possible causes of Saturday's ailments, which were initially believed to be caused by dehydration.
Link from True Hoop
by Paxson Jackson on Apr 3, 2007 5:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing
by cubbybear on Apr 3, 2007 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You saved my fantasy team by your post.
by chgobr on Apr 4, 2007 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the word
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Apr 4, 2007 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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