Open Game Thread #27: Bulls vs. Milwaukee Bucks
[Thanks to bullshooter for today's game preview. -Matt]
The first day of the rest of their lives
The Milwaukee Bucks come to town for the first game of the Jim Boylan era. Boylan's official announcement as the permanent interim coach, at least for the rest of the season, marks the end of a clash in philosophies between GM John Paxson and previous head coach Scott Skiles. Over the last several season Paxson has been remaking the team through the drafting of above-average, but not necessarily great players and a few key free agent signings. With a roster than now includes at least 11 players with significant talent or potential and Skiles steadfastly refusing to play several of them consistently, a change was inevitable. This was especially true when the Bulls failed to recover from their usual slow start (2-10 record, currently 9-16). Paxson has mentioned his goal may be to try and package several of his stockpiled "good" players for one truly great "star" from a failing team looking to rebuild. Only time will tell, and in order to maximize that chance, Paxson needs his players to play and demonstrate their talents, not languish on the bench behind more proven but under-performing veterans.
However, another overarching Paxson tenet for this Bulls organization has been accountability. So it would seem to be somewhat hypocritical for Paxson to force the next coach to play the promising youngsters who haven't necessarily shown they can consistently produce at the expense of more consistent veterans if the stated goal of making the playoffs is truly the focus of this team. And that sentiment was in evidence last game against the spurs when even in a blowout youngsters Noah, Thomas and Sefolosha didn't get any significant minutes. The next several games under Boylan, of whom Paxson is confident "Jim [Boylan] is his own person." should demonstrate whether the most important goal is changing the rotation, or winning. Perhaps it can be both.
Boylan's benching of Ben Gordon for Chris Duhon is the first of perhaps several moves. While in a contract year, Duhon is playing somewhat better early this season compared to last. However, the Duhon/Hinrich backcourt has been shown to be inferior to the Hinrich/Gordon version. Is this an attempt to insprire BG to return to his former levels? Are the Bulls attempting to showcase Duhon? Have the Bulls soured on Gordon to the point they are already trying to deal him quickly? BG provided no hints today and Hinrich is clearly not the answer at the off guard and this move only stunts and delays his development at the point. Perhaps this move was made with the later move of putting Sefolosha into the rotation and starting lineup in the near future. Who knows, but it certainly doesn't look like a stable situation.
Overall, expectations should be for a gradual change in minutes for various players. Ben Wallace, another candidate for benching based on his inconsistent play early this season, would figure to be a much harder sell for coming off of the bench. In fact, expect an early hook, ala Shaq as opposed to an actual benching. Both Joakim Noah and Aaron Gray have shown glimpses this year and should start to eat into Wallace's minutes. Likewise, the enigmatic Tyrus Thomas should start to see more of Joe Smith's minutes, even with Smith proving to be a solid and capable 4.
Tonights opponent, the Milwaukee Bucks, come into town just ahead of the Bulls in the Central Divison standings. The Bucks have lost seven straight on the road this season and 10 and of their last 12 at the United Center. They were blownout in Denver 125-105 Wednesday night and are 4-12 over their last 16. In their previous matchup this season, the Bulls lost 78-72. The Bucks come armed with several talented big men in Andrew Bogut, the latest Chinese sensation Yi Jianlian, and Charlie Villaneuva, not to mention all-star sharpshooter Michael Redd. The Bucks will provide an excellent test for Bulls and the Bucks' big men should provide many excellent opportunities to play all of the Bulls bigs. The Bucks might also be just what BG needs to get back on track based on his 48 point shootout with Michael Redd last year.
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Yi torched the Bobcats too
by NBA Observer on
Dec 28, 2007 2:50 PM CST
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I think BG
I'm not expecting any great imrovements tonight even if Jim says he's his own person. It will take a few games to try and figure out how to get this team to work together. Hopefully Jim gets that done.
by sue369 on
Dec 28, 2007 4:27 PM CST
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Ben Gordon
by piccolomair on
Dec 28, 2007 5:40 PM CST
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This is a critical game emotionally
by chgobr on
Dec 28, 2007 5:47 PM CST
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Skiles-Bulls saga
by runio on
Dec 28, 2007 6:08 PM CST
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anybody have a link to a stream?
by bullshooter on
Dec 28, 2007 7:47 PM CST
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It's working great for me, but might have expired
by NittanyBull on
Dec 28, 2007 8:29 PM CST
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thanks
by bullshooter on
Dec 28, 2007 8:32 PM CST
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Try this too.
I usually goto the last page, and go back from that. The links in the beginning pages are usually expired
by NittanyBull on
Dec 28, 2007 8:39 PM CST
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nice site, thanks
by bullshooter on
Dec 28, 2007 8:57 PM CST
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finally got one
by bullshooter on
Dec 28, 2007 9:02 PM CST
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No problem man
by NittanyBull on
Dec 29, 2007 1:04 AM CST
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bullsfaninla
by bullsfaninla on
Dec 28, 2007 7:47 PM CST
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Only good thing bout Duhon
by Option27 on
Dec 28, 2007 7:50 PM CST
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he definitely plays the most
by HerAirness on
Dec 28, 2007 7:51 PM CST
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I actually love it
by Option27 on
Dec 28, 2007 7:54 PM CST
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They do look better and alive is a good way
by chgobr on
Dec 28, 2007 8:06 PM CST
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Wallace looked active
by bullsfaninla on
Dec 28, 2007 8:05 PM CST
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It's so quiet in UC
by Azabullsfan on
Dec 28, 2007 8:15 PM CST
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You know what?
by Azabullsfan on
Dec 28, 2007 8:17 PM CST
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TT didn't have a good stretch :-(
by Azabullsfan on
Dec 28, 2007 8:25 PM CST
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at least boylan
by HerAirness on
Dec 28, 2007 8:30 PM CST
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Typical "eastern conference" game
But we need to win anyway...
by Azabullsfan on
Dec 28, 2007 8:38 PM CST
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They did look
by sue369 on
Dec 28, 2007 8:39 PM CST
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Comcast showed some stats
sixth men role.
by Azabullsfan on
Dec 28, 2007 8:47 PM CST
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This game become
Hinrich lost,Deng is only playing well.
by Azabullsfan on
Dec 28, 2007 9:10 PM CST
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how about
by Sambossanova on
Dec 28, 2007 9:12 PM CST
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Gray!
He's playing good(for second round pick).
by Azabullsfan on
Dec 28, 2007 9:19 PM CST
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The most exciting thing
by bullshooter on
Dec 28, 2007 9:23 PM CST
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And only those few early minutes of Tyrus.
by wjb1492 on
Dec 28, 2007 9:24 PM CST
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So far
by Azabullsfan on
Dec 28, 2007 9:28 PM CST
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Well its good we're playing
by bullsfaninla on
Dec 28, 2007 9:35 PM CST
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Hmmmm
by Azabullsfan on
Dec 28, 2007 9:37 PM CST
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It would be like
I think tonight the big time hog was Noc. Give Thomas some Noc time. No need to bring Gray in on it if you look at it that way.
by cranscape on
Dec 29, 2007 12:56 AM CST
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Why can't they atleast try a line up of like
Deng
Tyrus
Noah
Gray
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BG
Sefo
Deng
Tyrus
Noah
the size would give some teams fits.
by Steven47 on
Dec 29, 2007 1:20 AM CST
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As ussuall Ben Gordon
If they don't turn this game over against poor Bucks...I don't know...
by Azabullsfan on
Dec 28, 2007 9:16 PM CST
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Deng is Trully leader today
by Azabullsfan on
Dec 28, 2007 9:31 PM CST
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What like mot about this game
by Azabullsfan on
Dec 28, 2007 9:41 PM CST
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Krystoviak is GONE!
by Azabullsfan on
Dec 28, 2007 9:43 PM CST
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I thought he was going
by bleargh on
Dec 28, 2007 9:44 PM CST
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From my vantage point
by cranscape on
Dec 29, 2007 12:50 AM CST
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Dude Larry K was about to punch some kid who was
by Steven47 on
Dec 29, 2007 1:17 AM CST
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We were all pretty rude actually...
by cranscape on
Dec 29, 2007 1:22 AM CST
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what a bad officiating crew...
by bullshooter on
Dec 28, 2007 9:49 PM CST
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It's all right
Nothing wrong when hosting is getting some nice calls.
by Azabullsfan on
Dec 28, 2007 9:53 PM CST
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yeah
by bullshooter on
Dec 28, 2007 9:55 PM CST
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There was 101 old lady
by Azabullsfan on
Dec 28, 2007 9:56 PM CST
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She was really cute!
by cranscape on
Dec 29, 2007 12:49 AM CST
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Krystowiak
by MarketMaker on
Dec 28, 2007 9:57 PM CST
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good win
by bullshooter on
Dec 28, 2007 9:58 PM CST
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I thought the Bucks played well.
by chgobr on
Dec 28, 2007 10:01 PM CST
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Deng carried his team today.
minutes.Hinrich made 2 three pointers and saved his ass for today doing that.Noc...you never know what to expect from him.
Overall:it's good to win.
by Azabullsfan on
Dec 28, 2007 10:01 PM CST
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Still
by MarketMaker on
Dec 28, 2007 10:02 PM CST
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Kirk was 1 ast from a double double
by bullshooter on
Dec 28, 2007 10:04 PM CST
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I was about to mention that too
by Option27 on
Dec 28, 2007 10:07 PM CST
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Hinrich played well!
by chgobr on
Dec 28, 2007 10:08 PM CST
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Even aside from that
Jimmy Boy's plan maybe? Have hinrich play the two so he can find his shot or get aggresive on offense...get that scorers mentality a bit. It seemed to work, he got open more, and he took his shots with more confidence it seemed. Nice to watch him shoot and not cringe. Everyone played great, surprised no noah, but i guess its a matter of time only.
by piccolomair on
Dec 28, 2007 10:13 PM CST
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To barely top the 2:1 assist to turnover ratio
by MarketMaker on
Dec 28, 2007 10:09 PM CST
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his last TO
by bullshooter on
Dec 28, 2007 10:12 PM CST
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He's played pretty well for most of the month
by wjb1492 on
Dec 28, 2007 10:14 PM CST
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I want to see Kirk play well
by MarketMaker on
Dec 28, 2007 10:22 PM CST
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That's the trouble with such a bad November
However, if you consider his December splits, you can see how much better he's played of late - 2.54 A/TO and .423 fg%. Still not spectacular, but a huge difference from looking at the overall stats and far more reflective of how he's played lately.
by wjb1492 on
Dec 28, 2007 10:32 PM CST
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I wanted to see Noah...
by cranscape on
Dec 29, 2007 12:46 AM CST
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And....
by Azabullsfan on
Dec 28, 2007 10:05 PM CST
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I was pleased he didn't got bonkers after winning
by chgobr on
Dec 28, 2007 10:10 PM CST
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Nocioni
But overall very encouraging! Our big 3 played well, and getting 10 and 6 from gray, in only 14 minutes, is a big boost. Never thought he would be playing more than Noah - or playing at all for that matter.
by Freethefro on
Dec 28, 2007 10:15 PM CST
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"Cioni" in spanish means
by philosoball on
Dec 28, 2007 10:18 PM CST
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on the flip side, though,
by alec on
Dec 28, 2007 10:20 PM CST
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although I do think TT
by alec on
Dec 28, 2007 10:22 PM CST
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If by "active"
by ChrisRobin on
Dec 29, 2007 6:41 PM CST
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Actually, the main thing he was doing better
by alec on
Dec 29, 2007 6:54 PM CST
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Kudus to Boylan
by Freethefro on
Dec 28, 2007 10:24 PM CST
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They played tonight
Ben Wallace had a great game. I wish he would play like that every night. Maybe he will now. Maybe BG should have come off the bench earlier in the season. Kirk did well too tonight. Deng needs to play like this every game. Noch had a few shots fall for him tonight but he still drives me crazy.
by sue369 on
Dec 28, 2007 10:26 PM CST
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We
Gordon playing better = handling the ball more. Does not = coming off the bench.
Gordon's going to save the Duhon/Hinrich backcourt in the next several games as it's a decent schedule, but when it gets back to the better teams, it's going to look awful. Just like last year.
by nas on
Dec 28, 2007 10:29 PM CST
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Ugh
by piccolomair on
Dec 28, 2007 10:57 PM CST
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Tyrus will be stuck on the bench if he plays
He was abused by Villanueva.
The strategy teams are using against Tyrus is becoming clear. Whenever he enters the game, they try to match him up with a perimeter oriented big with three point shooting skills. The player typically hovers at the three point line for most of the possession, or dives from one part of the three point line, through screens, to another part of the three point arc. The tactic keeps Tyrus out of the lane, where he is most effective defensively. When he does sag off his player to provide help defense on drives or to attempt blocks, the ball gets kicked out to his man for a three. Also, even when he doesn't sag off, Tyrus often gets lost in traffic and let's his man get free for a three pointer. He's had the exact same problem with Posey, Bonner, and now Villanueva.
by 1958ChiTown on
Dec 28, 2007 10:47 PM CST
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Bulls got very lucky tonight
by Big D on
Dec 28, 2007 11:09 PM CST
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Bulls got lucky?
Anyways these kinda wins confuse me. Do I invest hope again only to be crushed or just see it as a win against a bad team. I'll go with a win against a bad team.
This team really needs to make some personel moves to try to aquire an NBA shooting guard with Sefolosha's lack of offensive progression.
I mean could you imagin them with a legit 2 and the BG off the bench?
by Steven47 on
Dec 28, 2007 11:40 PM CST
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I just got back from the game.
I was there for a high school game played before and also got tickets for the real game. They let us sit in the 100s for a while after the high school game and I was there from about 4pm to 5:30 and got to see some players shoot around. Tyrus and Curry were first out working on their shots with coaches at around 4pm. Curry's shot looked good, but no one was guarding him so who can tell. Soon after they were out Hinrich came out as well and shot around. His shot looked pretty good. Some time after that Noc came out and stayed for quite awhile. Curry and Tyrus left and that left Hinrich and Noc there for when Gray showed up. He practiced some shots from the top of the key, post up moves, and free throws. He was really nice and signed one of the high school kid's shirt (after the promised meeting with the players in the locker room did not happen). Hinrich left and Deng came out to join Noc and Gray.
I think Noc spent the most time out there total. I get blurry at that point, but Noah came out sometime before 5:30 but then we all got kicked out since those were not our real seats. By the time I got to our real seats most of the guys were out there. Wallace was actually sinking some threes. I got some pictures but I doubt any turned out well. Let me know if any one is actually interested in seeing them.
The game itself was really fun actually. I wanted to see Noah and wanted more of Thomas, but Thomas seemed lost out there. One point it seemed like he had a clear path for a slam but instead he made a terrible pass back out and picked up a foul. Never quite had his head in it. Deng looked amazingly good and Gordon's dribbling looks less crazy in real life than on tv. At least he appeared to be mostly in control tonight. Gray also appeared pretty good. He got some rookie calls and had good ideas that just didn't connect (certain passes that looked good...but ended up blah). What I really noticed was how when Wallace was out there instead no one would really guard him and would double Deng or Gordon making it really hard on them. When Gray was out there the spacing seemed better and they actually guarded him and that gave our guards some breathing room. I would have loved to have seen Noah out there since I think Noah's offense is better than Wallace and would have commanded some attention under there, but I guess seeing him before the game will be all I get.
I am taping the replay tonight so I can catch some stuff I missed. Like the coach getting kicked out. It seemed like it took that coach a second to get all the way across the court because one second I was picking some popcorn off my shirt and the next he was jawing with the refs and thrown out. And he kicked a chair on the way out. The crowed went pretty wild. As well as when whathisname fouled out.
Finally, those stupid 3-point fouls at the end of the game were crap. Wallace was a so-so since he did leave his feet once (or twice), but Hinrich's was not a foul. The player totally jumped sideways into him and Hinrich did not leave his feet or lean in or anything. The end of the game took forever with all those fouls.
by cranscape on
Dec 29, 2007 12:38 AM CST
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Looks oddly familiar to me
by snley on
Dec 29, 2007 1:19 AM CST
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Yeah I agree this team
by Steven47 on
Dec 29, 2007 1:23 AM CST
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Hustle!
by A Train Afro 53 on
Dec 29, 2007 2:02 AM CST
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I saw this too.
Look at it this way - It's a new beginning with Boylan. The win is a start.
by sue369 on
Dec 29, 2007 11:06 AM CST
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This can't be good
"We may have to tighten up the rotation," Boylan said. "That doesn't mean anybody is buried or in the doghouse. I just believe some of our guys have had trouble finding a rhythm."
He was referring to Noah, Sefolosha and Thomas' minutes.
I don't think that bodes too well for developing the youngsters.
by Option27 on
Dec 29, 2007 10:54 AM CST
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Don't you
Everyone bitched that Skiles didn't have a set rotation and Boylan says he will have one. Do you call it a season and just work on developing the young guys or do you do what it takes to win games?
by sue369 on
Dec 29, 2007 11:22 AM CST
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THomas hasn't looked lost every game.
While it's cliche, winning isn't everything.
by tyger1147 on
Dec 29, 2007 1:13 PM CST
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Um, I didn't
The point I was making was that in order to develop the young guys you are going to have to put up with losses. Some in here want the rookies to play but don't want to lose. I wasn't saying to not play them.
by sue369 on
Dec 29, 2007 1:34 PM CST
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thing is
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Dec 29, 2007 1:43 PM CST
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Agreed
For some reason, people would rather watch someone sucking by getting out-rebounded or missing 10-ft jumpers than they would watching someone get beat because he looks confused.
by tyger1147 on
Dec 29, 2007 3:50 PM CST
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I am a huge Tyrus fan, but he played
by 1958ChiTown on
Dec 29, 2007 3:25 PM CST
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He played 4 friggin' minutes!!!!
Of course, if every time Tyrus sucks he gets yanked, he's going to have a "whole" bad game. It seems pretty likely, though, that given 30 minutes every night, he'll have much fewer bad games.
I'd think it'd be obvious to someone as "smart" as you, how is Thomas supposed to learn how to defend someone like Villanueva if he's not playing?
by tyger1147 on
Dec 29, 2007 3:47 PM CST
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Looks like Skiles had pressure to develop players
by hhi on
Dec 29, 2007 11:47 AM CST
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Skiles?
by El Toro de Goro on
Dec 29, 2007 11:57 AM CST
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Gail Fisher
I saw guys play with some enthusiasm and smiles last night. I didn't see much of that with Skiles as the coach. They looked different last night. They didn't give up when they got behind by ten points. It's a start in the right direction.
by sue369 on
Dec 29, 2007 12:09 PM CST
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Well said!
by chgobr on
Dec 29, 2007 12:22 PM CST
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One two many crazy moves
by Incognito on
Dec 29, 2007 1:04 PM CST
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Who wants to play hard when guys are getting
Notice last night: TT 4 minutes, Noah and Sefo no minutes. Duhon was apparently playing well and deserved more. Gordon may have been in a funk because he didn't get the $$ he wanted. The guard play is what really was below a year ago.
by hhi on
Dec 29, 2007 12:28 PM CST
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Gordon gets a wake up call
by hhi on
Dec 29, 2007 12:37 PM CST
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Korver got traded to Utah for Giricek
I think the Bulls could have used someone like Korver but what do I know, I'm just a pissed off fan.
by Option27 on
Dec 29, 2007 2:47 PM CST
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bulls need
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Dec 29, 2007 2:49 PM CST
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I'll just say this
Korver doesn't go through major slumps either
by Option27 on
Dec 29, 2007 2:52 PM CST
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yup
by hscs on
Dec 29, 2007 3:01 PM CST
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Exactly
by Option27 on
Dec 29, 2007 3:09 PM CST
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Sixers didn't want scrubs
by Big D on
Dec 29, 2007 3:32 PM CST
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Expiring contracts too
by Big D on
Dec 29, 2007 3:35 PM CST
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Duhon and a 2nd round pick
by Option27 on
Dec 29, 2007 3:50 PM CST
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it doesn't work
by hscs on
Dec 29, 2007 3:58 PM CST
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No game thread
by sue369 on
Dec 30, 2007 10:51 AM CST
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