Scott Skiles Fired
Just reported on WSCR.
UPDATE: Here's a link from 'ESPN.com news services', which is likely Ric Bucher stealing it from somebody.
UPDATE2: Bulls.com release. No mention of a replacement.
I'll be on my holiday trek soon, so just head for the comments section for further info as it comes along.
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Story from ESPN.com...
I am surprised, but I suppose something had to be done.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 11:36 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
just heard about it
by hscs on Dec 24, 2007 11:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Paxson:
"Scott helped us in many ways during his time with the Bulls; most importantly, he helped this franchise get back to respectability."
Can't argue with that, even if it was time for him to go.
by Bayern Munich on Dec 24, 2007 11:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
where you getting this?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 11:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The ESPN article
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 11:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy smoke!
First speculation: Pax got damn tired of the bizarre lineups, the nonsensical buring of Thomas and Noah.
Second speculation: Skiles wore down his players.
Third speculation: Bulls turn it around, but we all miss Skiles.
by Freethefro on Dec 24, 2007 11:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
sam's 10-15 game prediction
by hscs on Dec 24, 2007 11:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I thought that was especially odd
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I did not know that
by hscs on Dec 24, 2007 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It will be very interesting to see if this
As a fan, I certainly hope it does.
That being said, I wonder if the Bulls' problems stem from the limitations of its players, rather than the limitations of its coach.
Most regime changes are typically accompanied by an immediate, short-term improvement because the players are galvanized and energized by renewed hope. Old wounds and vendettas are forgotten. So I think we should see a much better Bulls' team over the next month. The question is whether that improvement will be sustained into the playoffs and beyond.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 11:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It could be from limitations of both
Now there's an re-evaluation period in time for the trade deadline.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 11:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
good point
by Freethefro on Dec 24, 2007 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Arenas
by arjoseph on Dec 24, 2007 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So who do they go to on such short notice?
by Freethefro on Dec 24, 2007 11:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I am guessing they will have an intermin
Maybe Paxson has already already talking with candidates, though.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pete Myers did the interim
by hscs on Dec 24, 2007 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot about Pete
by Freethefro on Dec 24, 2007 11:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pete Meyers
I wonder how untouchable Paxson is? Skiles has(had) the roster he does b/c of Pax and it's a limited one.
by Jobu on Dec 24, 2007 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's an opportunity for a
I would like an article detailing the exact events and considerations that led to the firing.
I doubt it will happen, though.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
never know
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 12:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
one bad part about the timing
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 11:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
One thing I like about this is the clean slate.
by Freethefro on Dec 24, 2007 11:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It is on the Bulls'
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/skiles_relieved_071224.html
P.S. Damn Tomcat for stretching the posting field beyond the edge of the page.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 11:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
And our next coach should be...
by bullsfaninla on Dec 24, 2007 11:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Would have been better to keep Skiles
by snley on Dec 24, 2007 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carlisle's another Skiles
by SlamDunk on Dec 24, 2007 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
damn, yo
tell us how you really feel!
by Bayern Munich on Dec 24, 2007 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the Czar's offense
by hscs on Dec 24, 2007 11:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely agreed. I like both those guys
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to hand it to Paxson
I definitely did not think he would pull the trigger this soon. I was wrong about that, though. It makes me wonder if there really was tremendous discord between the players and Skiles. Or if Reinsdorf handed down an ultimatum.
It's going to be strange to watch a game Wednesday with no posts about Skiles rotations. LOL.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 11:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Secondary bonus:
by Freethefro on Dec 24, 2007 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ha, the best part
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A pat on the back for Matt and Blog-A-Bull
Credit Paxon for doing what was tough for him, but if I can recreate a scenario of what went I think went on in that meeting before the firing; I can see Skiles being rude to Reinsdorf when quizzed about complaints raised on this blog, complaints he can't really defend, and Jerry looking at him and saying, "who do you think you are? You're fired, damn you."
by SlamDunk on Dec 24, 2007 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I"m sure this will be shouted down
I am not saying they should, I am just wondering if they might consider it?
Bringing in Brown, yet another disciplinarian who has a history of alienating players, would be an odd choice to replace Skiles, who had a similar disposition.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 12:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Another question while I am asking...
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 12:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Brown does not alienate players really
Don't listen to what the Pistons players and organization said about him when he left. That was a unique situation in his career, and the front office had a massive agenda in running him off.
by tacojohn on Dec 24, 2007 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And what about the Knicks?
by bullhockey on Dec 24, 2007 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally forgot about Larry Brown
by Option27 on Dec 24, 2007 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if your problem with Skiles
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What other moves coming?
What player trades can we make to make the team better? Please don't say Jason Kidd now that Skiles is gone. The Bulls need to go a different direction in their current SG and need an all-star caliber low post scorer.
by Mattchoo on Dec 24, 2007 12:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think they'll just go interim for this season
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 12:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
57 games is a long stretch for
Would he be able to command the respect of the players for that length of time when everyone knows that he will likely be replaced?
I am not saying he couldn't, but it's one thing to consider.
Is their recent precedent for that type of move?
I guess it really wouldn't matter if Paxson has already given up on this season.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"there" even
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i think the respect comes from
I'd be a lot more comfortable waiting until the offseason anyway, I doubt Pax has a replacement in mind...and getting some expensive 'star' coach doesn't really suit me either.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
'star' coach doesn't really suit me either
He's probably laughing his arse off right now...
by Bluelou on Dec 24, 2007 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Top coaching candidates
- Hubie Brown
- Larry Brown
- John Paxon ( always thought he saw the game progression well when he used to do play-by-play)
- Mike Fratello
- Mike Krzyzewski ( probably never happen, but still think he would make a good pro coach )
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 24, 2007 12:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why Hubie Brown?
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 12:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hubie Brown
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 24, 2007 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he more-or-less quit last time
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and wasn't he mixing up players' names
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he is
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
blech.
These suggestions make me really like the interim idea. Only Carlisle even gets me mildly excited.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a big difference between
by EdNealy on Dec 24, 2007 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carlisle
Same for Brown, it just seemed that they were at least more liked by the players
by Option27 on Dec 24, 2007 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not get too excited about Carlisle...
by EdNealy on Dec 24, 2007 12:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me more about Carlisle!!
by chgobr on Dec 24, 2007 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He sucks the air out of the ball!
by snley on Dec 24, 2007 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oooo Pax as coach
Not a fan of Larry, he's too close to skiles. Noah, TT, and Thabo would def not get playing time. Lets not forget what happened to Darko.
Hubie could be a good choice if he's not too old...
by bullsfaninla on Dec 24, 2007 12:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He looks to be 74!
by EdNealy on Dec 24, 2007 12:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there anywone with ties back to the
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 12:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Stacey King.
I know that would make everyone here very happy.
(If it isn't obvious, I'm kidding.)
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 12:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
I don't think Reinsdorf cares that much about having a 'Bulls guy'. It's Pax's choice, anyway.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 12:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
just going back to a former player who is
doesn't even have to be from the championship years.
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 12:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
VAn Gundy?
by tyrus4prez on Dec 24, 2007 12:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Van Gundy? Interesting
by Jobu on Dec 24, 2007 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JVG said the Bulls need to run
by snley on Dec 24, 2007 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they have to bring in somebody
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 12:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Holly shit!!!!
by chgobr on Dec 24, 2007 12:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Player reaction
by Hiryu on Dec 24, 2007 12:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Tyrus Thomas
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 24, 2007 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It was the right move
by Hiryu on Dec 24, 2007 12:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Somewhere....
by Jobu on Dec 24, 2007 12:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich?
I hope Rush St. has late holiday hours.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 12:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sedgewick's
by Jobu on Dec 24, 2007 12:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not.
by sue369 on Dec 24, 2007 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Carlisle is a possibility
You could say that Carlisle is also to controling as a coach but not to the extent of those three.
I expect we will stay with an interim for at least a month while Paxson evaluates his personnel under a different coach. Whoever it is he will be taking a lot of direction from Paxson on player minutes.
by OldeBull on Dec 24, 2007 12:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Strong jab
by Incognito on Dec 24, 2007 12:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wallace
the only way they could really get rid of Wallace right now is to buy-out his contract and then cut him. And even then, they don't get much immediate relief. They'd still have his full salary on their cap until another team signs him, at which point they get 50% relief, if I read the rule correctly.
It's pretty hard to imagine any team trading for Ben's contract. He isn't even playing at a level that would allow him to start for a playoff team, and he's owed $15 mil/per over the life of his contract.
by Bayern Munich on Dec 24, 2007 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
don't think there's any merit
Maybe it's someone Pax knows, but that couldn't save Bill Cartwright.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Cartwright was the strangest hire
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it will be somebody
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 12:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
what's next for the fireskiles bot?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A machine that automatically
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
jim cleamons destroyed the mavericks
by fireskiles on Dec 24, 2007 1:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We
by eross226 on Dec 24, 2007 12:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Phil Jackson's proteges
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 12:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The score ( Larry Homes)
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 24, 2007 12:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Boylan is an obvious choice for interm
When I heard Skiles got fired, I just figured naturally that Boylan would take over.
by Option27 on Dec 24, 2007 2:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course!
by cjurmann on Dec 24, 2007 1:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
WOW!!!
by sue369 on Dec 24, 2007 1:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'll go on record (this is the record, isn't it?)
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 1:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather see them
by fundamentallysound on Dec 24, 2007 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It had to be done
by Big D on Dec 24, 2007 1:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
"do a good job NEXT year"
by Big D on Dec 24, 2007 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here is your trade proposal with an easier
by SRQman on Dec 24, 2007 1:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
why on earth
by fundamentallysound on Dec 24, 2007 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WSCR reporter David Schuester
They're playing in San Antonio anyway, so maybe it's for the best.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 1:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the Bulls. Now go beat the Spurs.
by Big D on Dec 24, 2007 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone said that Paxson referred to Skiles
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 1:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
huh?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
anyone else
by Mike C on Dec 24, 2007 1:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree
by arjoseph on Dec 24, 2007 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Skiles was that kind of coach when they hired him
Skiles took them from point C to B. Now they need a coach who is respected and gets them from B to A
by Option27 on Dec 24, 2007 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This team needs an offensive coach.
For some reason, Alvin Gentry, who has a bad record for offense as a head coach, strikes me as a decent candidate. But then, that's the classic "recycle shitty coaches" theory, so scrap that.
I just want someone who brings offensive basketball to the team.
by tyger1147 on Dec 24, 2007 1:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A breath of fresh air...
by Goostafer on Dec 24, 2007 1:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What about that old guy whos the
by eross226 on Dec 24, 2007 1:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you mean Del Harris?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Listening to espn 1000 and the SCORE
by chgobr on Dec 24, 2007 1:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just Heard
by tyrus4prez on Dec 24, 2007 1:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This team has a new core...
by tyger1147 on Dec 24, 2007 1:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree.
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
anyone got a link
by Mike C on Dec 24, 2007 1:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
here's the MP3 link
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was Duhon not done taking a swig
by bullhockey on Dec 24, 2007 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hollinger
I completely disagree with that, especially since it's tied to the suggestion of playing Nocioni more. blech.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 1:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Besides that paragraph on Noc
by arjoseph on Dec 24, 2007 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
(3) is a direct reflection on Skiles
by Big D on Dec 24, 2007 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Score just had Stephen Bardo
Which I think says more about Wallace, but who knows maybe it inspires the corpse.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 1:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're spot on...
by EdNealy on Dec 24, 2007 1:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Wallace do that same thing
by CrashDavis on Dec 24, 2007 1:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly says something about Wallace.
by tyger1147 on Dec 24, 2007 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I had read something
by Jaina on Dec 24, 2007 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Wallace was terrible the last year
by chgobr on Dec 24, 2007 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Of all the reasons to fire Skiles,
Frankly, I don't want a coach who is going to kowtow to Wallace and play him regardless of whether or not he actually merits the minutes.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 2:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
(4) if a 6'8 guy can't do Ben Wallace things
by EdNealy on Dec 24, 2007 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with all of those points.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
by cranscape on Dec 24, 2007 1:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Forget about Larry Brown
I guess anything is possible, but I seriously doubt Larry Brown would take any job after Skiles.
by hornhat on Dec 24, 2007 1:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Larry wanted this job
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 24, 2007 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, since Larry Brown is known for his loyalty
by Big D on Dec 24, 2007 2:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since when has Larry Brown
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 24, 2007 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We
by chris44 on Dec 24, 2007 1:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
In Duhon interview it was mentioned that
by EdNealy on Dec 24, 2007 1:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
For those wanting young coaches
A new coach would not be able to lead a team, and this bulls players dont have a true leader among them. A team needs a leader.
Of course the coach being the only leader is a horrible idea, thats part of the bulls problem (lacking a leader). However, for a player to step up to take that role might take more than a single season. The bulls need a coach who could take control, and at the same time teach the better players on the team how to lead, and do what skiles couldnt do in his years with the bulls...that is to let them finally go and do what they do. Skiles might have been TOO personal with his players. I always liked him as a coach, but i did question his ability to let the team earn thier championship.
Skiles i believe has been a huge weight on the bulls, one that has really trained the team into increasing thier potential, disicipline and work ethic. However, with skiles gone, hopefully that weight has been lifted and the bulls players (especially thomas, and perhaps gordon) can untap thier potential and abilities, and have freedom to play thier game. I feel its sort of like tyson chandler, who i think really was forged into a better player by skiles, but didnt get a chance to use those abilities until he was out of skiles' restrictions.
Hopefully this isnt a start of a rebuilding process, but more of an evolution among the same group of players.
by piccolomair on Dec 24, 2007 2:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A good take on the news
http://www.typepad.com/t/trackback/667185/24473818
by piccolomair on Dec 24, 2007 2:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What's the chance...
Oy!!! I love speculation
Arenas/Curry
Hinrich/Duhon (re-sign)
Deng
Thomas/Smith
Noah/Gray
I don't know. I'm playing around with stuff here, but I've been wondering the chances of getting him. Obviously, the Wizards probably want to re-sign Arenas, and I couldn't quite make out the Bulls' salary for next year...
Maybe Nocioni instead of Gordon. And sign-and-trade Gordon for something else.
Just wondering if it's something even possible.
by tyger1147 on Dec 24, 2007 2:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
How about...
PG: Hinrich, Du, Arenas
SG: Arenas, Draft Pick, Deng
SF: Deng, Noc
PF: Smith, Thomas, Noc
C: Noah, Gray, Smith
by Kemp on Dec 24, 2007 2:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
by tyger1147 on Dec 24, 2007 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You must wing it...
by Kemp on Dec 24, 2007 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually a name that NEVER gets mentioned
Is he retired?
by Option27 on Dec 24, 2007 2:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ric Bucher is on ESPN News . . .
He also said that Jeff Van Gundy has no interest in going back into coaching right now.
by Big D on Dec 24, 2007 2:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm. That is very, very
It would also explain Paxson's surprising temerity.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
1958 ChiTown had a great idea for a
by chgobr on Dec 24, 2007 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This means a few things:
Second, it means that Reinsdorf is more about winning than making money. If the Bulls miss the playoffs, they get into tanking territory, and even if they don't totally tank to land, say, Michael Beasley, they'd be in a good position to rebuild. This would be maximizing the money-making potential, as a young-but-improving team would be exciting, have low expectations and have a low payroll--the Bulls could jettison Deng and Gordon via sign-and-trades under the premise that they were horrible in their contract years (although there would still be the money owed to Noc, Kirk and Wallace).
Third, it seems for now a vote of confidence for Pax's rebuilding plan, since he seems to be signaling for a 'go-for-broke' run to the playoffs, which is kind of senseless, given the lackluster play thus far.
Fourth, it is also a vote of confidence for the Bulls, as the easier thing would have been to let the Bulls play out the string as a horrible team, only to be blown up at the end of the season.
I guess it could also mean that Reinsdorf truly feels that this Bulls team has not done right by the fans, and maybe he's truly fearful of alienating the fans. The boo-birds at the Rockets game certainly made their thoughts known.
by bullhockey on Dec 24, 2007 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Reinsdorf probably just said,
by EdNealy on Dec 24, 2007 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To his credit, and consistent with his
"Hardly a day goes by that I don't demand accountability and stress results," Skiles told the newspaper. "Today was my day to be held accountable."
Skiles told The Tribune that he wasn't bothered by being fired on Christmas Eve.
"The fact that it's Christmas Eve is neither here nor there," Skiles told the newspaper. "The timing doesn't bother me. I'm not destitute."
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 2:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wouldn't surpirse me
to see Skiles re-surface next season, or maybe in summer of 2009. And he's young.
by Bayern Munich on Dec 24, 2007 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Scottie Pippin on the staff
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 2:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 2:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
double huh?
by hscs on Dec 24, 2007 2:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm basing this idea
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
triple huh?
by hscs on Dec 24, 2007 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and what's so special about Jackson?
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Apologies. I cut myself off.
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 3:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
P-I-P-P-E-N
To clarify my point about Jackson: There aren't many (any?) Phil proteges with NBA gigs. I suppose one could say Paxson is a 'Jackson Guy', but it's still a short list. You're not doing a very good job of articulating what's so special about someone who may or may not run a triangle offense.
by hscs on Dec 24, 2007 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the list grows
by hscs on Dec 24, 2007 3:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Except that I don't like Pete Meyers.
Setting nostalgia aside, are there no Phil protoges out there? I already mentioned Jim Cleamons. How about Kurt Rambis? Magic hired him briefly, I think. And he's been working under Phil for a number of years now. Isn't he supposed to be next in line to get the Lakers job?
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if this is still up on Wikipedia
Due to an extremely disappointing start to the 2007-8 season, Scott Skiles was fired from the Bulls on December 24, 2007. Their record at the time was 9 - 16. Skiles' career as Bulls coach is marked by an irrational love for Chris Duhon, Andres Nocioni, and other "scrappy" players. He is now hated by Jason Kidd, Tyson Chandler, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, and every Bulls fan with half a brain.
by Jaina on Dec 24, 2007 2:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hilarious
some of the partisan Wikipedia posts are great, before they're taken down. I once saw a paragraph on Nowitzki's Wikipedia page that said he was born a siamese twin, and killed his siamese brother at age 7. It was taken down within a few hours.
by Bayern Munich on Dec 24, 2007 7:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Broussard has weighed in . .
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3167938&name=broussard_chris
Other good candidates are Rick Carlisle, Paul Silas, Terry Porter (he got shafted in Milwaukee), Dwane Casey (he got shafted in Minnesota), Brian Shaw.
If I were Paxson, I'd see if Kenny Smith of TNT is interested.
Also, while I'm not sure how interested this guy would be, I'd try and talk to Mike Budenholzer, the Spurs' No. 1 assistant. He's learned from the best, having been in San Antonio throughout Gregg Popovich's tenure.
by Big D on Dec 24, 2007 2:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Budenholzer would be perfect...
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rosenberg of the Trib comes down
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/2007/12/chicago-bulls-b.html
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 24, 2007 2:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sniff Sniff
http://www.blogabull.com/comments/2007/12/24/123314/93/147?mode=alone;showrate=1#147
by piccolomair on Dec 24, 2007 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Shit
Stan Van Gundy. (Just throwin names)
by AngryAsianAce on Dec 24, 2007 3:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Or I mean Jeff Van Gundy, -.-
by AngryAsianAce on Dec 24, 2007 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
crazy coach idea
by bullsfaninla on Dec 24, 2007 3:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sergio Hernandez
Wikipedia's page on the Argentine team names him, but apparently he doesn't have his own page.
There are a few interviews of him floating around online, he sounds bright enough. But the language issue might be problematic.
How about Croation team coach Jasmin Repe ? Coached professionally in Croatia, Poland, and Italy, and I think he speaks English.
by Bayern Munich on Dec 24, 2007 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
David Blatt an American
by Scotter on Dec 24, 2007 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hernandez
by Mike C on Dec 25, 2007 12:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lute Olson
I only hope that the new coach leads to a fresh evaluation of the team's talent ie more ben gordon less hinrich. Ben is our best offensive player but ever since his rookie year Skiles has been an albatross around his neck, reluctantly elevating him to the starting lineup, while keeping him on a short leash.
BG,Deng, Tyrus and Noah are the future of this basketball team.
by Zac23 on Dec 24, 2007 3:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The foreign coach
by eross226 on Dec 24, 2007 3:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wow
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know, Matt.
Then you start eliminating them.
I think a case can be made for Laimbeer to at least get past the first cut.
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
based on today
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 24, 2007 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
John Wooden
by Zac23 on Dec 24, 2007 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is he done coaching women's
by EdNealy on Dec 24, 2007 7:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Laimbeer
by exult463 on Dec 24, 2007 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting article from Marc Stein:
He says that Nocioni and Thabo were "miserable" playing for Skiles.
by Big D on Dec 24, 2007 4:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why would Noc be miserable?
I sometimes wonder about these guys' sources.
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 4:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have any inside info
by cranscape on Dec 24, 2007 4:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Great insight from the article
by chgobr on Dec 24, 2007 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noc in interviews
by Scotter on Dec 24, 2007 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Kendall Gill is saying he's sure
Gill said that's exactly what happened on the Suns when Skiles got fired from there.
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 5:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Link?
by NittanyBull on Dec 24, 2007 5:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just watched
Kendall said it is his opinion that a group of the players went to Pax and said they could not play for Skiles any more. Melissa Isaccson said that was her take on the situation too.
They also said they thought Pete would be the interim coach.
Will be interesting to see how things go on Wed. night.
by sue369 on Dec 24, 2007 5:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sue - Did they say anything about
by chgobr on Dec 24, 2007 5:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about sucking with more suckitude than anyone
by bullhockey on Dec 24, 2007 7:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, but Kendall made reference back
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Not in so many
by sue369 on Dec 24, 2007 9:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn that was quick
by TMD on Dec 24, 2007 7:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Merry Christmas to all...
by alec on Dec 24, 2007 7:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
My choice for coach - - *JOHN PAXSON*
- Pax plays players, who he recruited, the way he wants
- Paxson develops theses guys the way he wants
- If we don't improve Pax gets first hand knowledge who we should keep and who we should get rid of
- Skiles needs to be paid and this doesn't add another salary
- I believe Paxson is an excellent communicator and the players are likely to respond to him
- If this doesn't work out he hires a new coach next year
- This could light a barn-fire under this team
by chgobr on Dec 24, 2007 8:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ok
by Zac23 on Dec 24, 2007 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
by piccolomair on Dec 24, 2007 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's telling that with 218 comments,
Personally, ever since Skiles tanked the Toronto game with 1.5 quarters still left, i've felt sick watching them play. Skiles has been coaching like he was under no pressure to win games in the present and could afford to tank a whole season in order to teach Tyrus and then Noah a lesson about who's in charge. Watching him start Nocioni and Smith against Boston, including in the second half, convinced me that he just doesn't care about the outcome of games. It's win his way, or don't win at all.
Screw that. Everybody... the fans, the owners, and even the players... wanted the Bulls to do everything in their power to win every game. The Rockets game was the first game in history where I could watch it until the end, but turned it off in the first half and deleted the tivo recording. I checked blogabull later to see that we had lost.
Skiles is the type of coach to get the most out of people who don't have loads of talent or experience. However, he was never cut out to coach a group of veterans or develop young players with great talent. His only method of developing young talented players is beating them into submission using playing time as his weapon.
by rexisourqb on Dec 24, 2007 9:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Perfect assessment of Skiles
by SlamDunk on Dec 25, 2007 3:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stacey King
by gobulls1124 on Dec 24, 2007 9:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Norms Slogan
by piccolomair on Dec 24, 2007 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My biggest worry right now
Sit back and picture any coach coming in and saying, "Ben, you haven't been performing, so i'm going to limit your minutes." Can you imagine Wallace not becoming a locker room cancer? Hell, he already did it once with Flip Saunders when Flip wanted to take him out at the end of games because of his free throw shooting, and when Flip wanted to run zones instead of man to man. It's also been pretty clear that he was even disgruntled lately under Skiles.
Best case scenario is that Ben starts to play like his old self and no choices have to be made. As someone pointed out though, that would speak volumes about Ben if he only sucks now because he's not trying.
Now, I've got to pick Tyrus Thomas up for my fantasy team. He always puts up great numbers when he plays, but for some reason he hasn't been getting minutes recently.
by rexisourqb on Dec 24, 2007 9:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wow
by bullshooter on Dec 24, 2007 9:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We took a look at this situation over at 120 Proof
Merry Xmas, guys.
by Todd Lerner on Dec 24, 2007 10:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Farewell, Scott Skiles
His substitution patterns, however, were a joke, as has often been lamented around here. I would have thought that Pax would have given him the year to turn the ship around, but the number of blowouts this year, plus the extremely erratic substitution patterns, may have just been too much. I am interested to read about the dirt when it gets out.
In the meantime, good luck to you, Mr. Skiles. It was a privilege watching you coach (if you excise about 40 games from the analysis over your Bulls tenure). I'm sure you will not be unemployed for long.
Now things get interesting . . .
by preverbal on Dec 24, 2007 11:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
From the Trib:
"How would I characterize my personal relationship with any coach?" he said.
Wallace is said to have told Paxson last week, "He quit on us, so we've quit on him."
Thus apparently the reason for the timing.
Maybe Wallace will actually start playing like he gives a shit now. If he doesn't, then the biggest problem for the new coach is going to be figuring out how to bench someone who's the highest-paid player on the team.
by Big D on Dec 25, 2007 12:30 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
- That comment by Wallace to Paxson
- KC had a clip that a Reinsdorf, Wallace, Arn Tellum, Paxson meeting occurred
- Wallace taking the team and giving them a talking to after it got the news of Skiles getting the axe.
I think it also makes Paxson's role and power pretty uncertain. I read he's saying the young guys need to play more. I read Wallace (and also mentioned, Joe Smith) unhappy with their roles. That sounds to me like a recipe for conflict.
by Sports2 on Dec 25, 2007 7:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is not over
Then Comcast says one of those assts. will coach for the remainder of the season - which basically throws in the towel for this year.
And THAT doesn't make sense, or else why wouldn't you wait until the season is over to fire Skiles?
Deep down I think one or more of the following:
- Pax has another coach idea up his sleeve and is closer than he's letting on...
- Pax was perhaps concerned about losing his own job and felt pressured to make a move...
- There are still trades that are going to happen, but this team had clearly gotten away from Skiles and he still needed to go...
- Perhaps during the trade discussions, Kobe stated behind doors that he would and/or could not play for Skiles, and this is just the beginning of chapter 2 and he may yet still play in Chicago...
Firing a coach from a situtation this messed up, at THIS early in the season when it could still be salvaged, and expecting that's all they plan to do when there's so much more than coaching issues at hand....
I wouldn't buy THAT for a dollar...
by Bluelou on Dec 25, 2007 1:33 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
While it may be the right move now...
However, an entirely new style of play and a whole new system is going to come with the new coach and that might not work out well. I think skiles is a tallented coach who tries to win the right way. A combination of contract issues, missed jumpshots, a loss of intensity, and some questionable rotations have killed the first half of the season. I hope this new coach trying something too radical doesnt kill the second half. Farewell Skiles...
by T MaK on Dec 25, 2007 1:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Mark Jackson
by arjoseph on Dec 25, 2007 2:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'd much rather pluck
by bullshooter on Dec 25, 2007 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I also like Mark Jackson.
by alec on Dec 26, 2007 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's Mark Price up to?
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 26, 2007 5:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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