Open Game Thread #24: Bulls at Boston Celtics
[Big thanks to diabolo for today's preview. -Matt]
Tonight, the Bulls play at the "previously known as Boston Garden", to play a scary (so far) Celtics squad boasting the best record in the league after nearly two months of action.
The Celtics will be plenty motivated after losing their last game on the last possession against Detroit. They will not want to start their first losing streak of the season. Meanwhile, the Bulls are trying to find their rythm this year (about time really) and want to finally figure out again how to put a few wins in a row feels like.
Larry Brown (the Bulls next coach?) has a few interesting things to say about this particular game on NBA.com :
On the difference between defending the Bulls or Pistons (for Boston):
"The biggest thing for Boston to combat is that Chicago plays an uptempo style that is lacking a true post-up game. When you play Chicago, you have to keep them out of transition. If they get a lot of easy baskets, similar to Detroit, it makes their halfcourt that much better. So if you're Boston, you really have to defend the pick and roll because the Bulls do that multiple times in possessions. Then you have to keep people in front of you because Chicago's game is penetrate and kick. If you have to help, you usually leave open shots." On the Bulls being back on track or not : "Now they have started to play better and more consistently. Their rookie Aaron Gray has given them a big boost off the bench the last few games. Tyrus Thomas has played better and so has Joakim Noah. It seems like they're starting to play the way everyone expected them to, but again, if they don't make outside shots, it's usually pretty difficult for them to beat the better teams." On the question if teams relying on the perimeter like the Bulls can advance far in the playoffs (if they make it there): "I think they can if they have a good defense. I've always thought that it's overrated to say you need a post presence. When you look at Chicago with Ben Wallace, Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, and Joe Smith, you've got guys with length. If they can rebound effectively on the offensive glass then they'll be ok. They can get by like that." On the match-up with Boston tonight: "Deng and Paul Pierce are the keys in my mind. Both can score the ball, they both are underrated rebounders, they both have the ability to get to the free throw line and they will have to guard each other. I will be curious to see which one is able to guard the other one and which one has success offensively.""With Wallace out, Andres Nocioni may have to guard Kevin Garnett. If that happens, he is giving up a lot of size. For anybody to guard Kevin it is a tough matchup, but it would be very, very difficult for Nocioni to stay out of foul trouble if he has to guard him. However, with that in mind, Kevin has to go out and guard Nocioni too, and Nocioni can shoot from deep, which is a factor." My opinion about that game? Sure, it would be great for the Bulls to beat the Celtics, and could provide a boost to their confidence, but I don't necessarily see this game as a key for the Bulls future success. They don't really have much to lose in this game. What I'd much rather like to see, for now, is the Bulls starting to win "somewhat" constantly and easily against lesser opponents, and then when come mid-season and then (hopefully) Playoffs time, you can start talking about matching up with those top teams as the next step.
As Joakim and Thabo would say : "ne mettez pas la charrue avant les boeufs", which in English could be translated as "(literaly) don't put the trailer before the buffalo or (another lame attempt at English) start building the foundation before putting the roof on top".
Then again, I'm not against winning tonight too.
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Great preview!!!
by chgobr on Dec 21, 2007 1:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Diablo.
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 1:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
ending this once and for all
by hscs on Dec 21, 2007 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine.
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
for me, it's 4 months.
This whole Gray thing is so sad, and indicitive of a team that's completely fallen below expectations. Maybe that's why I try and pee on any excitement over it.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm the negative Nancy and I'm hoping
by chgobr on Dec 21, 2007 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
stuff your promises in a sack
by hscs on Dec 21, 2007 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fine. no promises.
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Put up 20-10 every night for a month straight?
by tyger1147 on Dec 21, 2007 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We used to have a guy who did that....
Then we sent him to LA for a BEAN POLE!
Sorry, still a little bitter. :P
by cubbybear on Dec 21, 2007 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
oh you're just a pinnacle of reason
by hscs on Dec 21, 2007 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a ridiculous argument
by rexisourqb on Dec 21, 2007 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bulls can win this
- Garnett down the stretch. He made every 4th quarter shot he had to make.
- Low Chicago FG%
- The small two, Glen Davis and Rajon Rondo, put up way better numbers than Chicago's defense can afford to allow. Together they were 12-16 from the field, pulled in 4 OREB, 19 TREB, and had 5 assists. Davis's buckets were OREB putbacks with Ben "the Statue" Wallace doing his best "no look defense" impersonation.
So what do you do to win?
- Force Rondo to pass to Pierce. The more Pierce has the ball the better your chances of defeating the Celtics. He can't pass on open shots. He thinks his dribble penetration game is excellent, but it's obvious he knows it's not as strong as it is and makes up for that with free throw begging arm flailing.
- Run. Garnett is only an effective defender helping improve his teammates defense in half court sets. In transition, Pierce and Allen aren't running back to stop anyone.
- Make Doc Rivers coach. Jumping out early is a good way to force adjustments.
by NBA Observer on Dec 21, 2007 1:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on the
I thought he really got the Celts going and helped them get off to the late ending surge.
Let's hope the other under-performing Ben (Gordon) has a better shooting performance or is at least benched for a player that can more adequately guard Rondo.
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 21, 2007 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not go big?
by snley on Dec 21, 2007 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls should have won the first game.
by SlickRick76 on Dec 21, 2007 2:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sounds Like A Great Idea!
by thurlawmen50 on Dec 21, 2007 3:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What makes him a horrible coach?
by SlickRick76 on Dec 21, 2007 3:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just because he'd be immediately picked-up
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Let's See...
by thurlawmen50 on Dec 21, 2007 3:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If
by thurlawmen50 on Dec 21, 2007 3:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow this thread
GO BULLS!!!
by sue369 on Dec 21, 2007 3:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If they win and Gray plays well
If they win and Gray plays like crap, good.
If they lose and Gray plays well, don't care (how well could he possibly do).
If Aaron Gray plays well for several months, I'll be ready to give him 20 minutes.
If Aaron Gray gets 20 minutes and the team keeps at their terrible-ness, regardless of his sweet baby hook, I'll be super peeved.
If Aaron Gray gets 20 minutes and the team goes on a hell of a roll, I'll bow to his awesomeness.
I don't get why people can't just be happy with him doing what he can. Instead he has to be the answer to all our prayers. This team was supposed to make a run at the finals for chrissakes. I guess I don't hate Aaron Gray, just the symbol he represents...it's even worse than what Nocioni represents, because Nocioni is at least a proven slightly-above-average basketball player. Does this happen with fans of other teams?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, come now. Sue can learn.
by tyger1147 on Dec 21, 2007 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly Matt
All I'm saying is he played well on Wed. night and deserves some recognition for that. If he continues to play like that good too. If he doesn't he won't be playing.
by sue369 on Dec 21, 2007 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A quote from Mr. Brown...
I know Nocioni is the more experienced player, but wouldn't it be a better matchup to put a taller player on Garnett like Noah or TT? Just seems to me like Noc would get owned all night.
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 21, 2007 3:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
of course he would
Skiles will coach to make sure we're fighting an uphill battle. Makes the summit more satisfying.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see any summit.
by cubbybear on Dec 21, 2007 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding
That Aaron Gray will come in for no reason (The C's don't have a similarly big slow dude to guard) and show just how far the talent gap is between the 2 teams?
Maybe it's just been the day's conversation that has me feeling this way. Again, this team seems to have a pathological desire to be overmatched. It's freaking depressing.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see Thabo get some time
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one
If there's anything the Bulls HAVE been consistant about this year, it's that they lose after winning a game or two with no streak in them...except the losing kind.
The worst part about it is the WAY they lose...they usually keep giving some hope during the course of the game - only to lose it in the end.
The end.
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 6:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just looked up Aaron Gray on
There is a nice quote about his nickname in it and I quote, "His seemingly effortless offensive game from 16 feet in earned the big man the moniker "Gravy", a fairly obvious homage to both his impressive paint and baseline scoring moves and the likeness of his surname to the popular sauce, gravy."
Maybe he will be better than Will Perdue, who interestingly was 30 pounds lighter than Gray.
by philosoball on Dec 21, 2007 5:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And the Bulls come out shooting
No surprise...(sigh)
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 6:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gonna be a long night
by Option27 on Dec 21, 2007 6:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gonna be a long night
by Option27 on Dec 21, 2007 6:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
repeating yourself
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
repeating yourself
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
even as an ardent Nocioni defender
by JSlakov on Dec 21, 2007 6:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Skiles is an embarassment
That starting lineup is a joke. No interior defense, no rebounding. All jump-shooters. Boston can do whatever they want on offense because they know the rebound will come to them. Bulls have to hit all their shots because it'll be the only one they get.
So while they have ten points in 7 minutes, who is sitting at the scorers table? Aaron Gray.
This team is a joke. I sound like JoeJoe it has me so mad.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 6:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Come on Matt
(kidding of course) :-)
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were JoJo
by Option27 on Dec 21, 2007 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bulls have to hit all their shots
Why would you move Smith over (that's what Skiles did, right?) and not give TT or Noah or (gulp) Gray a shot?
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
thats gotta be the most retarded startomg lineup
by lampnasty on Dec 21, 2007 6:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
P.J. Brown
by Cowboyjon on Dec 21, 2007 6:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gray
by JSlakov on Dec 21, 2007 6:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's already gotten old
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 6:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
always a fan favorite
by JSlakov on Dec 21, 2007 6:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gray does do some pretty good things for us
by Option27 on Dec 21, 2007 6:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Didn't we have Posey and trade him?
by TMD on Dec 21, 2007 6:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bulls never had Posey
by Big D on Dec 21, 2007 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's right
by TMD on Dec 21, 2007 6:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Posey is always nasty
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
does this team even run plays to end quarters?
Except this time we got the 'pass it to Tyrus 25 feet from the basket' at the end of the clock.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 6:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i doubt it
by JSlakov on Dec 21, 2007 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
fuck skiles
by Blacknight23 on Dec 21, 2007 6:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Noc is even more gunnerlike than usual
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 6:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can't let this team run away from us
Gee....ya THINK, Skiles??!!
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 6:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Last Shot
by Cowboyjon on Dec 21, 2007 6:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Still haven't seen Noah
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 6:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh wait...I saw him....
Awesome.
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't blame him
I said it before: Noah and Tyrus need some of Kidd's fake migrane juice.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
notice it took foul
by Blacknight23 on Dec 21, 2007 6:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
TT was trying to avoid landing on that guy
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 6:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Like expected
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
BG is scoring nicely please put him back in the
by Blacknight23 on Dec 21, 2007 6:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
dream lineup
by JSlakov on Dec 21, 2007 6:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Deng has 2 fouls
Skiles hates field goals.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey...at least NOAH is in!!
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 6:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
where's the technical on Tony Allen?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 6:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I thought I was the only one who saw that
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 6:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Time for Skiles to put Khryapa in
by Big D on Dec 21, 2007 6:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich
by TMD on Dec 21, 2007 7:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Halfway through the second Q with 25 pts
F.
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 7:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually catching myself watching Boston
by Option27 on Dec 21, 2007 7:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
so Noah comes in
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 7:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The really sad part
Man we have to fire this guy.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 7:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls are fucking ridiculous.
Noce is playing like dogcrap tonight on both ends of the court. Quick shots early in the clock when he isn't in rhythm.
Luol stupidly got into early foul trouble and isn't playing well on the defensive end.
Tyrus and the rest are doing a deplorable job of guarding Posey.
Hinrich is fucking invisible when he isn't throwing the ball away.
No one can make a free throw.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thabo might be the worst player in the league
by Big D on Dec 21, 2007 7:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and to boost his confidence
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see about this line up
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 7:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Tyrus and
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like the line up now. too bad it took
by Blacknight23 on Dec 21, 2007 7:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i like that shot of garnett
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 7:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls need to
It's clear we aren"t going to even come close to the Finals this year.
Play Tyrus and Noah. Accelerate their development.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Noah...
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is it me
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 7:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Rondo outrebounding
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 7:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The fouls they keep
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hubie brown is old as hell. perkins is on
by Blacknight23 on Dec 21, 2007 7:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I never did
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
this team doesn't suck
However, Aaron Gray playing alot is indicitive of a sucky team. For instance, this half.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know this runs contrary to
It's Hinrich and Deng who are no-shows tonight (thus far).
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and Noce.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he's doing ok
This team is so freaking sad.
Skiles took until 4:30 left in the half to get some competent lineups together.
Nocioni sucks, Hinrich is missing.
Again, it's a willing disadvantage. Can't wait to give the rah-rah try harder halftime speech.
Then we'll see the super-jumpshooting lineup start the 2nd half and the lead will be 20+ for the rest of the game.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 7:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The thing we might be missing with Gray
by philosoball on Dec 21, 2007 7:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and he scores AND passes
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 7:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
double-doubles are completely overrated
this team is in shambles and more minutes for Aaron Gray won't help.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
more minutes for Aaron Gray won't help
But at least perhaps more points will end up on the score board.
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's close the rim too!
After reevaluating his prospects, maybe he'll be the Bill Cartwright of the modern incarnation of the Bulls. And that's something good to have.
by cubbybear on Dec 21, 2007 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
more like Will Purdue
Also, they had Michael Jordan, so the rules are different.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus was Ok, too
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 7:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Gray could get a call he would have
by philosoball on Dec 21, 2007 7:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps we will start the second half
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bill Walton just said the Bulls will not recover.
by cubbybear on Dec 21, 2007 7:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Will not recover from what?
The slow start this season?
Something else?
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't specify.
by cubbybear on Dec 21, 2007 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA
Well, thank you very little, Bill F'in Walton...
We're so glad you're here to tell us these things!
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 7:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
just maybe he'll get enough
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
rebuilding is romantic in theory
The laughing will hopefully get Skiles canned.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 7:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't we just play this lineup in the second
Gordon
Hinrich
Deng
Tyrus
Noah/Gray
Just play it until TT fouls out.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gray has been one of the Bulls' best players tonig
by Big D on Dec 21, 2007 7:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think you just nailed Matt's
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 7:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see it that way.
by cubbybear on Dec 21, 2007 7:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
UGH!!
by sue369 on Dec 21, 2007 7:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he wasn't terrible on KG
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 7:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
skiles at halftime
"we have to own the first 5-6 minutes"
But I bet we see the same lineup that couldn't own shit.
Again, success comes from effort, not talent.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 7:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wow, skiles showed me
good that someone out there can rebound. Embarassing that Aaron Gray is a solution to anything.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 7:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Schulman
by SlamDunk on Dec 21, 2007 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
gray in for noc. that's a start, skiles
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 7:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Damn, so close to the best lineup!
Maybe TT would have started but for the fouls.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bulls free throw shooting
by rexisourqb on Dec 21, 2007 7:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Nor is ensign kirk's stupid passing TO's
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 7:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am growing to hate our starting
Hinrich just throws the ball away.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You just said you wanted hinbrick starting
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who else is there?
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Du has played better tonight
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 7:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I won't argue with that.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich was a blur
by cubbybear on Dec 21, 2007 7:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Ben Gordon's one on one
I am sorry, but he gets beat too often down the lane.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hinrich with another
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 7:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bulls are just passing the ball around the
As of this posting the Bulls have been outrebounded 31-13.
by rexisourqb on Dec 21, 2007 7:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OMG, two more consecutive
Unreal.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately
He really has no idea what he's doing out there anymore. Mopey Iowan SOB.
This team is screwed if he's this bad, Gray or no Gray.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 7:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe I spent thousands of
I really thought 2007-2008 was the year to make the ECF.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey - I spent $2200 in ONE GAME
'Course, they did win it all in the end....but STILL.... (sigh)
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hirich's line:
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 7:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Duhon goes out of his way to prove
by rexisourqb on Dec 21, 2007 7:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Come on, Bulls, at least make it
Please.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why the hell isn't Tyrus in?
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
maybe that taunting technical
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sned Noce back to the bench right
Two possessions, two shitty plays.
He has nothing tonight.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 7:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that ray allen layup
(can't resist putting him down when I can)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 7:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Midway through the 3rd
I ask for Noah and Tyrus, and instead get Gray and Nocioni. Predictably, the Bulls get beat inside immediately for a layup, then foul Pierce as he drives the lane. Plus an extra FT for the Nocioni technical foul.
by rexisourqb on Dec 21, 2007 8:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yup yup yup
2 more missed layups by Gray and Deng. Duh missed one on the last posession.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they figured ol' Aaron out
Plus, it's not like we have a team adept at making entry passes. Seeing someone post up is like an alien lifeform to them :)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
patented Noc late close-out
Unfortunately it's fucking garbage time already.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if it is a team strategy
Jesus.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 8:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's how Nocioni plays defense
by Big D on Dec 21, 2007 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it feels worse than it is
If only they had quick agile players to use!
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bwahaha.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I love that I could hear Pollard clearly
Gray has 3 offensive fouls, no on else on the Bulls has more than one. Perkins has 3 and Rondo has 2 for Boston.
The good thing about a big man with girth is that officials everywhere let them get away with more contact. Since others naturally bounce off of them, officials could call a contact foul every play... but understandably don't want to.
by rexisourqb on Dec 21, 2007 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck it
by Option27 on Dec 21, 2007 8:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
for the rest of the season.
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is okay by me.
by marionette on Dec 22, 2007 6:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is it just me
He's actually not too bad, but I like to think it's his way of intentionally pissing Skiles off.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He'd probably make better entry passes
I hear Andre Miller is available from Philly. I'd make that happen.
by rexisourqb on Dec 21, 2007 8:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no time for panic moves
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How much would you really have to give up to get
I'm not saying make the trade immediately, but it's a good time to make inquiries with an eye on the trading deadline. I'd start with getting Hinrich a sports psychologist, though.
by rexisourqb on Dec 21, 2007 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus really loves to lead the break...
by GoldenThreePeat on Dec 21, 2007 8:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Love it
HAHAHA LOL!!
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 8:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
oh man I missed that
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you have tivo Matt?
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is the obvious proof
He might still be a good coach, but he's not the one for THIS team...
the end.
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't go that far
But it's not evidence that he's the right coach...if that makes sense.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
anything that doesn't make sense with this team
if THAT makes sense... :-)
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They could hear him
by rexisourqb on Dec 21, 2007 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Salvatore
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
right. in my daughter's sixth grade games
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bulls shooting 64% from the line
by rexisourqb on Dec 21, 2007 8:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
at least they had 9 attempts
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls probably broke the clocks . . . .
by Big D on Dec 21, 2007 8:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
what Hubie forgets to mention
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Then I'll take it that
by cubbybear on Dec 21, 2007 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
I fell off my couch in fear when I read it!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich had one particulary damaging shot that
by cubbybear on Dec 21, 2007 8:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Skiles...Gray has played the whole 3rd...
by GoldenThreePeat on Dec 21, 2007 8:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
more minutes means that
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Noah didn't look that good
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 8:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he had shot 4-4 for free throws
by rexisourqb on Dec 21, 2007 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Free throw
by SlamDunk on Dec 21, 2007 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you even know how to read
Nor do I care if he was winded since I was only referring to what he did, not why he did it. Also, that's a ridiculous point since 2 minutes of playing time and a foul isn't enough to wind a professional athlete. People take much harder fouls all the time and they still hit their free throws afterwards.
I simply stated matter of factly that he got so little time on the floor up until that posting, that something as little as 3 missed free throws could change your perception of how effective he was. I was actually defending Noah, which you would have noticed if you weren't racing to put up your word porn so that you could plesure yourself to it later.
Then you came in with some utter nonsense about me "making a foolish point". Please tell me, in English this time, what is foolish about stating that a 4 for 4 performance would have made his brief stint more effective than a 1-4 performance?
by rexisourqb on Dec 21, 2007 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Skiles the vindictive
I didn't see this mentioned, but I wasn't surprised to find that small-minded Skiles was punishing Noah by not playing him against the Lakers, and little since, because Noah had arrived late for a shootaround last Tuesday at the United Center. Noah explained that his tardiness was because of bad traffic. It's interesting that Noah was one of six players late for that shootaround (I wonder who the other five players were, and their punishment}. Asked about his decision to bench Noah, the psycho said, "We have a fine system in place for (tardiness)."
by SlamDunk on Dec 21, 2007 8:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Man, the irony
And he's a worse coach than Skiles. I suppose it's Pax's fault that he can't make a coach-proof team :)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bulls shooting 38% again tonight
Don't remember seeing ANY games when a team won shooting 38%...
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 8:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Khyrapa sighting?
by cubbybear on Dec 21, 2007 8:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hubie: "they can't stop Aaron Gray"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gray is just sucking wind
by Big D on Dec 21, 2007 8:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
eh, they'd probably still be bad, but at least we'd remove that variable.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and he probably misses the bulls.
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pisses me off
with Wallace warming the seat behind them.
ugh.
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 8:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They need to rest up and apply lube
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ewww. 5 on Thomas
Too bad he's in garbage time, so for all we know he's just gunnin for steals/blocks for the heck of it. Jumpshots too.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is embarrassing.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 8:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
who knows what would've happened
Had Noc/Noah (offense/defense) as first big off the bench.
Had Sefolosha as first guard off the bench.
And didn't fucking tinker after the 5th game, the 12th game, the 20th game...
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy Johnson's my hero
AND he's got a hot MILF....
At least that's what the commercial says... :-)
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 8:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why is Ray Allen still
by rexisourqb on Dec 21, 2007 8:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Noticed that too
by Jaina on Dec 21, 2007 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I fucking hate Boston teams too.
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 21, 2007 8:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If Boston represents the best
It's so disgusting. I hope Paxson is as sickened as I am tonight.
I can only conclude that the rest of the East improved while the Bulls regressed. It's inexplicable and nauseating.
What the hell is the point of even watching the rest of the season?
Moreover, I just somehow feel that the Bulls will end up losing Tyrus and Deng, the only two players they have with true "All-Star" potential.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 8:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Addendum.
and
I meant the Bulls would lose those two players over the next three offseasons.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 8:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side...
by tyger1147 on Dec 21, 2007 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A-Drain and Kyrapa!
by cubbybear on Dec 21, 2007 8:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
see, tomorrow
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
They look like a HS
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
man
by fundamentallysound on Dec 21, 2007 8:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Jesus
by Big D on Dec 21, 2007 8:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait till Paxson pulls the trigger
by Option27 on Dec 21, 2007 8:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Without addressing the merits of firing
I think he is more likely to make a trade.
And that is EXACTLY WHAT TRULY TERRIFIES me.
I can easily see a scenario where the "difficult" Tyrus Thomas is traded away for some aging, useless veteran.
That will be the end of me as a Bulls fan.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 8:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
as HSCS said
Pax has been called too reluctant to trade talent away, so I hope he doesn't reach now for Skiles' sake.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In SI magazine this week, a guy consulted
by cubbybear on Dec 21, 2007 8:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say Gordon is quite likely
I'd only trade Thomas for a proven front-line guy. And given Pau's year so far I'm not even as cool with that idea as I once was.
Maybe it's due to the relative suckfest around him, but with Thomas you actually see something special.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's somewhat conforting...
Paxson is yoked to Skiles, he loves Skiles personally, he appreciates Skiles ethos, they have the same approach to basketball and life.
I just see Tyrus being traded. He and Deng are the only potential dominating forces we have, in my opinion. Despite the general negativity the media directs towards him, Tyrus has improved quite a bit this season. He passes well, he plays under more control, he rebounds, his shooting is better, etc.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If we trade anyone, I wish
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dislike the Boston Celtics
I hate their stupid floor.
I hate their coach.
I hate James Posey.
And I hate hate hate that they are kicking our ass tonight.
Next game starting lineup based on performance:
Duhon
Gordon
Thomas
Gray
and.....uh noone else played well enough to give them a spot. We should play short-handed just because noone else deserves to play.
Whoa, Griffin just missed a wide-wide-open 8 foot jumpshot. Revoke his man card. Ditka("God" to some) has already removed his skills.
by cubbybear on Dec 21, 2007 8:41 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It is so sad to think that we could have had
Just KG's intensity alone can almost will you to win.
And has anyone seen how BAD Minnesota is this year without him?
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 8:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well, 'could have'
They weren't, so it's tough to say the Bulls missed out.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No point in lamenting
The real question is: what can the Bulls do going forward to salvage this season and this franchise?
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls are losing by nearly 30.
I am starting to wonder if the Bulls will even make the playoffs.
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 8:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
maybe they can slide in as an 8 seed
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
PLAYOFFS? PLAYOFFS?
by cubbybear on Dec 21, 2007 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
anyone notice sam smith
by hscs on Dec 21, 2007 8:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
box score treasure-hunting
(it's more like hunting in kitty litter, actually)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 8:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This might have been Hinrich's worst game
by Big D on Dec 21, 2007 8:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The supposed trademark of this team
I saw none of either tonight.
The team is crap and this game was an insult to Bulls' fans everywhere.
I am infuriated (if that isn"t obvious).
by 1958ChiTown on Dec 21, 2007 9:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe Hinrich only had 4 TO's
by Jaina on Dec 21, 2007 9:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's cuz he got benched early in the 3rd
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What's worse
Just how much worse can it get than Norm and Gill saying this is the worst they've seen the Bulls play since...?
What's it gonna take to get Pax to do SOMETHING???
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 9:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
he can't do anything worthwhile
It'd be so much easier if the core guys were at least playing average so their trade value wasn't shit. I doubt Nocioni+prospect gets you anything.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Us even having this conversation
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 9:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah no kidding
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 21, 2007 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As much as I've pumped up Aaron Gray,
by alec on Dec 21, 2007 9:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah god forbid this team have a player
by steve26 on Dec 21, 2007 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, I still don't see how we get
by rexisourqb on Dec 21, 2007 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Paxon
by SlamDunk on Dec 21, 2007 9:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
uncompromising situations you say?
by hscs on Dec 21, 2007 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's an idea?
Hey - it could happen...
by Bluelou on Dec 21, 2007 9:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Pax
by fundamentallysound on Dec 21, 2007 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How can you be in the NBA
by steve26 on Dec 21, 2007 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
correction
by SlamDunk on Dec 21, 2007 10:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Scary stat: Aaron Gray
by philosoball on Dec 21, 2007 9:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wait til other teams figure out he can't
by steve26 on Dec 21, 2007 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny I don't remember Larry having to
by steve26 on Dec 21, 2007 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This loss reminds me of that loss to KG's
Did you guys see when they had Skiles wired? He said come on guys lets get some scrappy hussle points and I don't think one Bull gave one thought about what he was saying to them. The body language was unreal all night. This team if full of losers!
Then all night we had to hear Skiles main concern was scoring points and thats confidence from your head coach. I don't think we can score enough? Who thinks like that? Oh yeah people who most likely fail.
Whats with KG all off the bench during the 4th in a blow out loss what kinda bs is that. Not once tonight did the Bulls play like grown ass man. Cowards. I just don't think half the players even care anymore.
Joe Smith kicking back with KG in a blowout during the game talking about the good old days.
Tyrus Thomas has two options turn into the next Stromile Swift or just watch some film of good players like Scottie Pippen and work hard and play like a pro. That was BS from him. Something is wrong with his brain.
I have never seen a team play like that I was hoping they would cancel the game after the 3rd.
Back then atleast we had The Mayor and Trenton Hasslle!
by steve26 on Dec 21, 2007 9:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This game was like watching your little sister
by steve26 on Dec 21, 2007 10:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Are you fucking serious?
Sam Smith sucks dick.
by tyger1147 on Dec 21, 2007 10:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed that was the worst read I have had in a
by steve26 on Dec 21, 2007 10:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can this get any worse?
by bigballa10 on Dec 21, 2007 10:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I swear to god when they hit 22 points it seemed
by steve26 on Dec 21, 2007 10:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hope we're not in the SEC or ACC
by cubbybear on Dec 22, 2007 1:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gray
Matched up against Roy Hibbert, he disappeared, making one of 13 shots in scoring three points as Georgetown blew out Pittsburgh 65-42. I know players can have a bad night, but you had to be there to see the disappearing act. It wasn't about shots not falling, it was the fact that he was intimidated by the matchup with Hibbert and lay down. I think many scouts saw what I saw and that played a prime role in his stock tumbling and his ending up in the second round of the draft.
by SlamDunk on Dec 21, 2007 10:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Does it seem like he put weight back on?
by steve26 on Dec 21, 2007 10:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gray
by SlamDunk on Dec 21, 2007 10:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This was too painful to post during the game
by chgobr on Dec 22, 2007 8:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
This game went wrong in so many
This game was even more damaging because of the fact Skiles will blame the defensive effort and here comes Wallace back from his injury hogging all the minutes leaving the Bulls back to where they were. By the way Skiles (dumbass), Noc and Joe Smith should never be playing the fucking 5, how many times will you trot out the "small ball lineup" , let it get owned on the offensive and defensive boards before it gets through your thick skull that its a terrible defensive lineup for a team built around defense.
The Bulls can beat a fluctuating Rockets team, but it's disheartening to know that they are so behind the top teams. Which makes no fucking sense since they were able to beat the Pistons twice already.
Bulls will have to continue to live and die
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 22, 2007 9:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Got cut off...
by RogersPark Kris on Dec 22, 2007 9:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just when I thought
by sue369 on Dec 22, 2007 9:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
ugly
but i still cant agree with breaking up the core or firing the coach... i dont see much of a point because we wouldnt get much back for any of our guys and skiles is struggling with getting the right group out there, but that has to do more with the inconsistent play of basically everyone on the team. i've said it before, and i'll say it again... unexpected bad seasons happen, its just part of the deal with pro sports, especially with a younger team with no true leader. it comes out of nowhere and blindsides the team, and they are playing catch up the rest of the season. hopefully this is just a fluke because we have all seen what this group is capable of, but they need work, so pax needs to figure it out
by Conor on Dec 22, 2007 10:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That is an interesting perspective
by chgobr on Dec 22, 2007 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
glad we have gray
by Conor on Dec 22, 2007 11:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What
by eross226 on Dec 22, 2007 2:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If we could get Mayo who do you trade
by chgobr on Dec 22, 2007 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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