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Face-full of blame pie

Zero-sum blame game isn't just my experimental jazz-fusion project, it's the idea that because there are many people to blame, nobody deserves to be singled out.

I don't believe in that.

So, even though Ben Gordon was invisible, Ben Wallace was 'the dead body' (credit to BullHockey for that one, although I'll give Wallace some praise for keeping Bynum from doing too much), and Hinrich rediscovered his love of turnovers, this will be yet another rant on Skiles.

It'll be a shorter one, because it's just more of the same: completely arbitrary lineup tinkering. I actually thought he suppressed that instinct in the first half, as instead of going to Adrian Griffin after both Hinrich and Duhon were benched with foul trouble, he instead moved Deng to guard in a lineup with Nocioni and Thomas.

Thomas was putting in another good game, but in his only meaningful minute of 2nd half play he was poked in the eye and had to leave with 3:39 left in the third quarter, replaced by Nocioni. Two minutes later Wallace came out for Aaron Gray. That's right, a Gray-Nocioni frontcourt.

I was leaving comments during the game and when I saw that Gray had stayed in to start the 4th, wrote: Skiles will coach with two hands around his own neck.

And that's what happened. The Gray-Noc frontcourt stayed out there over half of the 4th, as Tyrus had apparently the worst eye-poke of all time (although he came back (only) after Noc sprained his ankle, so it's not like he wasn't available), and Skiles also hasn't been reading David Thorpe's emails, as Noah received a DNP.

The results of that frontcourt expiriment could've been worse, which (as the gameflow isn't up so it's by hand) I believe was a -3. But just watching that team out there (substantial Duhon time during that stretch as well) was knowing that they were in no danger of actually taking the lead.

And it's just confirmation that there is no plan. And worse yet, instead of a 'stick with the plan' plan we get 'see what sticks'. And nothing sticks, it stinks. (take that, blog contest organizers)

I'd love to follow a team that didn't have such a willingness (bordering on desire) to be undermatched.

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I feel like the tv boys
are getting off the hook for easily the worst broadcast of the year. "Nocioni.... he just does so many great things... gurgle."
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Dec 19, 2007 9:39 AM CST   0 recs

lol
I caught that line by Red Kerr as well...Wayne Larivee had to clean up the wet diaper left behind

by ScottieCartwright on Dec 19, 2007 9:51 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I heard that same line
and it was so bad I mentioned it.

The worst part is that it was simulcast on NBATV. Not raising their games on national tv, that's for sure.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 19, 2007 9:53 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I didn't watch the game
but, I dont understand why it is so hard to get a rotation and actually stick to it.  It seems like Skiles is coaching on the fly and his knee jerk reactions to one play just kill the morale of the team.  Where are the assistant coaches?  Don't they have some say in getting Noah on the floor at least for a couple of minutes...Skiles has destroyed 3 first round picks.  Skiles needs to let his younger players be able to play with making mistakes.  

by tyrus4prez on Dec 19, 2007 9:48 AM CST   0 recs

Pledge me
I belong in the "Fire Skiles" fraternity.  I was holding out hope that the coaching staff could get things together, but it clearly isn't getting any better.  It's getting worse.

Paxson needs to put Skiles on notice.  Give him until the second week of January.  If the Bulls continue to play .500 to sub .500 basketball then you have to terminate Skiles.  The roster is underperforming, but the coaching strategy, player rotation, and failure to insert players where their talents are best suited is ludicrous.

The Bulls are fast becoming a traveling circus.

by NBA Observer on Dec 19, 2007 10:01 AM CST   0 recs

right. there has to be some point
where the season can't be wasted any more on trying to figure things out.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 19, 2007 10:04 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

it might come sooner than we think
realistically, we COULD be looking at about 8 losses in a row

LAL - last night

WAS - on the road...never easy...Haywood always seems to own Wallace...Stevenson will bruise Hinrich's self esteem

BOS - nuff said

HOU - at home, but never an easy one...Kirk will get embarrassed by T-mac...Yao will kick in Wallace's face

SA - nuff said

MIL - they spanked us early in the year...these guys always give us trouble...Redd will abuse Hinrich once again

NY - on the road...this MIGHT be a win, but I won't be surprised if they choke it away...look for Crawford to try and redeem himself against Kirk and roast him in the process.  I predict Curry will get out of his funk and take apart Wallace, and eat one of his arms just for good measure

ORL - At home, but Howard will utterly destroy Wallace

There seems to be a pattern here...

by ScottieCartwright on Dec 19, 2007 10:24 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

It looks like, at best, they'll go 2-5.
Ita est, ita sit. ("It is what it is." c1650--Arnold Geulincx)

by alec on Dec 19, 2007 11:02 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I'm not big on bashing the beat writers
because they're pros and I'm not.

but as far as I can tell, the only substitution discussion mentioned this morning was Gray playing instead of Wallace.  Nobody mentioned anything about Tyrus' eye-poke of doom. Or the fact that Gray and Nocioni were paired together. Or reasons behind Noah's DNP.

We did get Hanley saying "Sefolosha's playing time has diminished since coach Scott Skiles shortened the Bulls' rotation recently." without noting the irony that Aaron bleepin Gray made his way on the floor for 20 minutes as a part of that 'short' rotation.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 19, 2007 10:02 AM CST   0 recs

Anything on Noah
I haven't seen anything this morning on Noah's DNP - Coaches Decision.  If there was one matchup where Noah was best suited, it was guarding Andrew Bynum.

Furthermore, with Noah they could bring Bynum out of the paint and make him guard Noah setting perimeter screens thus limiting his shot blocking potential.

This is all on Skiles.

by NBA Observer on Dec 19, 2007 10:17 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Not to mention
his  rebounding and "energy".They outrebounded us 52-41.
I noticed him being very upset on the bench in the 4-th qtr.,Lakers made a 8-0 run or so,Skiles
called TO,every one got up from the bench to
kinda support players, except Noah watching on the flor...

by Azabullsfan on Dec 19, 2007 2:27 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

...you're just mediuim-sized
on bashing them.  Hanley is a tool. You can say it.  Or maybe not, what with all the national exposure you've been getting.  
Ita est, ita sit. ("It is what it is." c1650--Arnold Geulincx)

by alec on Dec 19, 2007 11:07 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

The Chicago beat writers have become
tools of the Bulls.  It is rare when I find something they have written that is truly interesting.   I find BlogaBull has a more sofisticated understanding of basketball than the beat writers write about.  The beat writers may be very knowledgeable but it is not reflected in what they write.

by chgobr on Dec 19, 2007 12:32 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Gray
I thought Gray looked pretty good last night.  I wouldn't mind seeing more of him.  4/8 shooting, 6 rebounds, only one turnover (currently the most important stat for this team).  

Both he and Noah are effective in picking up garbage points.  Wallace is not.  I'm not saying that Ben should be third-string, but he should not be dominating the minutes at center anymore.  Too much of a liability on offense.

by nateroth on Dec 19, 2007 1:34 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Skiles
looks lost as he does his infuriating "line up experiments"

Its pretty simple, play the players who are playing well.

Bench the players who aren't.

Starters should be:

Hinrich, Duhon, Joe Smith, Tyrus Thomas, Noah.

Then you would have a loaded bench of Gordon, Noc (he plays better off the bench) , Gray, Thabo, and Wallace. I suppose even though if Skiles ever pulled one of his patented "no minutes" pt for Ben I wouldn't mind.

by RogersPark Kris on Dec 19, 2007 10:18 AM CST   0 recs

Did Deng
get traded? am I missing something with your line-up and bench?

by exult463 on Dec 19, 2007 10:25 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

LOL
I knew I forgot someone.

Starters:

Kirk, Duh, Deng, TT, Wallace.

Sorry Joe, back to the bench.

by RogersPark Kris on Dec 19, 2007 10:27 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Poor Noah. That was a fast hook.
Ita est, ita sit. ("It is what it is." c1650--Arnold Geulincx)

by alec on Dec 19, 2007 11:09 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

This is what I
get for blogging while being swamped at work.

Final starting lineup.

Hinrich, Duhon, Deng, Thomas, Noah.

Wallace should remain on the bench and Joe SMITH gets the hook.

by RogersPark Kris on Dec 19, 2007 11:14 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

RogersPark Kris
who said Skiles job was easy?... you think he also forgets who's on the team sometimes?

by exult463 on Dec 19, 2007 12:24 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

That
would explain last night. He was so entranced by the Gray Hookshot of doom that he completely forgot that Noah was sitting right next to him.

by RogersPark Kris on Dec 19, 2007 2:06 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

more of this
We need to coin more names for our players' various moves and tendencies.

Short list of actions that need coined terms

  • Nocioni's arm flailing drives where he uses the off arm to shove off to sell calls
  • Kirk's screech when he's whistled for a foul
  • Tyrus and his train wreck drives to the hoop
  • Ben Wallace's statue impressions

by NBA Observer on Dec 19, 2007 3:47 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

What about Team Plays!
How about when Wallace gets the ball in the post and everyone else turns into statues?  I think it deserves a modern art style name like "Futility in Isolation."

by snley on Dec 19, 2007 3:52 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

stonehedge?
The stones display more intelligence than some of our Bulls at times.  So I don't if that's fair to the stones.

by NBA Observer on Dec 19, 2007 4:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Move names
"Tyrus and his train wreck drive to the hoop"

... The Fizer.

by Hiryu on Dec 19, 2007 4:35 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

This loss is so damn frustrating
Not because of the Kobe story line, but because it was a vintage Skiles coached game.

How does he explain his high praise for Noah recently where he tries to explain Thomas' lack of playing time, and not even give him a shot to alter the game.

I will say the Gray wasn't bad out there but he certainly wasn't anything of a game changer. He wasn't out there during some stretch run where the Bulls had looked like to be controlling the game. Basically, he was out there just to be a big boy not making too many mistakes.

That is my biggest beef right now with Skiles. He contradicts himself so many times and never seems to make up his mind.  The only thing he's stuck to was saying he had to get Nocioni some more time, and that he has . . . at the expense of our lottery picks

by Option27 on Dec 19, 2007 10:31 AM CST   0 recs

I'll make this short, like Skiles
I used to think Skiles had a brain.
Lately, this assumption is being challenged.
Aaron Gray should not play ahead of Noah.  Ever.  We give a DNP to our third most productive player.  WTF?
Thomas is useful, apparently.
Hinrich should not get leeway for being a gym-rat.  Pulled after a bad pass.  Put in when Duhon does something dumb, or after he's "thought about what he's done".

This should go without saying:
Our future starting five(Hinrich,Gordon,Deng,Thomas,Noah), should, uh, play.  They barely know how to pronounce Joakim still.

"Fans never fall asleep at our games, because they're afraid they might get hit by a pass." -George Raveling

by cubbybear on Dec 19, 2007 11:12 AM CST   0 recs

I wouldn't be surprised if our future
starting five were Hinrich, Thabo, Deng, Tyrus, Noah.  By "future," I mean post-Skiles.  The future may be here sooner than you think.
Ita est, ita sit. ("It is what it is." c1650--Arnold Geulincx)

by alec on Dec 19, 2007 11:38 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Now
we are getting somewhere.

by hlac on Dec 19, 2007 1:29 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Easy solution
Pull Noce from the bench, and he can use his grit us to at least 95 points.
"Fans never fall asleep at our games, because they're afraid they might get hit by a pass." -George Raveling

by cubbybear on Dec 19, 2007 5:07 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

And Matt, it should be allowed to pass
without mention.  

Yes, your penultimate paragraph was award worthy.

Ita est, ita sit. ("It is what it is." c1650--Arnold Geulincx)

by alec on Dec 19, 2007 11:55 AM CST   0 recs

guh
There's 100 different sports blog awards given out everyday. Why some softcore site with a poll is getting all this attention is beyond me.
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Dec 19, 2007 12:13 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

agreed.
It was meant to poke fun at the 'award'.

It's not that surprising though, bloggers like to talk about bloggers.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 19, 2007 12:18 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

So...
...who thinks this Skiles exercising his "I'm the daddy." complex? Noah gets some buzz on ESPN (and no, I don't think it's a stretch to think it may have been talked about in the locker room), so Skiles says, "See how good you really are? I control the minutes here, dammit!!!"

What's sad is that I wouldn't be surprised to think that was subconsciously playing in Skiles' mind.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Dec 19, 2007 12:24 PM CST   0 recs

Skiles
has the attributes to be a good college coach.

I'm sure this has been pointed out many times on the site. I'm just understanding this..

by exult463 on Dec 19, 2007 12:46 PM CST   0 recs

What is Skiles supposed to do???!!!
The 15 million dollar nightmare is stinking up the joint. The only thing I would have liked to seen different is Noah getting some run. For all of the negativity being thrown at Gray, his numbers weren't bad for twenty minutes. Everybody wants to fire Skiles. I say fire the two Bens!!! I lay almost all of this squarely on those two guys. David Thorpe at ESPN also agrees that it all starts with The Dead Body. Like I've said before...B-U-M...BUM! Or in the immortal words of Stacey King...KYP...Skiles had to do something...

by SlickRick76 on Dec 19, 2007 1:29 PM CST   0 recs

Skiles
chooses to play Ben Wallace, so it's also Skiles' fault.  He needs to grow some balls and put Big "baby" Ben on the bench at least to start games.  Skiles is not as tough as it seems I guess.  I hate that it's come to paying him 15mil to come off the bench (hopefully) but Noah or Tyrus are better options right now to start and play more minutes.  Can't get worse right?  

by goldengod on Dec 19, 2007 1:57 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

interesting thoughts on skiles...
skiles has always used interesting line ups during his run as bulls coach, so i dont know why everyone is so upset as if this were a new concept.  i feel like i am one of few that thinks firing skiles would be the worst move pax could make.  if pax is going to fire skiles he might as well fire himself, too.  obviously, that wont happen, but come on people, skiles has always coached this way, his coaching ways are no different than they were last year or the year before that, etc...  do you think firing skiles is going to make bg's fg % jump ten percentage points, or make kirk stop turing the ball over, or make wallace five years younger???  skiles is not the problem, the players playing like S@$# is the problem.  

as for my second point, tyrus has to prove he is ready to play at the nba level night in and night out.  has he????  no, so what does skiles owe tyrus???  nothing.   tyrus himself isnt even getting upset with a lack of minutes.  do you honestly think skiles isnt playing ty because he is in his "dog-house"??  you cant get to where skiles is at coaching that way.  this isnt hoosiers for christ sake.  he isnt playing him because tyrus isn't going to give us a chance to win when he is blowing defensive assignments and looking lost on offense.  with noc bg and kirk turning the ball over at an alarming rate, we dont need another guy out there who has a tendency to be a TO machine.  stop calling for more tyrus and more wins at the same time, its not going to happen.   because with everyone else playing like crap, a healthy dose of tyrus is not the answer, unless you want to keep losing.  he isn't there yet folks, maybe you should take the coaches word for it.  i dont know, skiles only sees him play and practice every f###ing day, he might know what he is doing a little bit more than all us bloggers

by Conor on Dec 19, 2007 1:59 PM CST   0 recs

three things
  1. where's your blog?
  2. your '?' key is stuck.
  3. bitching about Skiles' substitution patterns isn't a new phenomenon.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 19, 2007 2:04 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

three things
  1. relevant questions please
  2. just added a few extra question marks where i thought they were necessary.  thanks for noticing.
  3. i understand that, i'm just saying when the players are playing well (Last year), no one had a serious problem with skiles minute distribution.  and now that the players arent playing well (whatever the reason is) everyone wants skiles out.  classic yankee fan syndrome.  its lame

by Conor on Dec 19, 2007 3:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Its not about
anyone owing Tyrus anything; it's about him being a better option out there most nights than Wallace.  The Bulls don't owe Wallace a thing either so why is he starting?  Because he gets paid a lot?  Or because they are afraid they'll "lose" him mentally?  Playing Tyrus over Wallace makes sense in terms of what is happening to this team NOW.  I don't think anyone on this blog is arguing that Tyrus is owed more playing time, just that he's better than Ben when out on the floor.

by goldengod on Dec 19, 2007 2:08 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

i know what you are saying
it is like skiles is in a "damned if you do, damned if you dont" situation.

by Conor on Dec 19, 2007 3:12 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Did anyone notice the Big Ben Bell didn't ring?
Hopefully that means the P.A. guy is getting ready to make new lineup introductions, sans The Dead Body:)

by SlickRick76 on Dec 19, 2007 2:16 PM CST   0 recs

I heard it
at least once last night.
Please get this season turned around and play some great basketball.

by sue369 on Dec 19, 2007 2:21 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Yes during the game...
However, even my girlfriend noticed during the intros that the bell was missing....

by SlickRick76 on Dec 19, 2007 2:24 PM CST   0 recs

Ha! There are so many smart people here!
Unlike most of the boards out there....

by SlickRick76 on Dec 19, 2007 2:26 PM CST   0 recs

They should rename it the Grandfather Clock Chime.
Also, it's hard not to notice that the Lakers' perimeter guys are ever cognizant of their Big Dunker in the lane when they drive, so all they have to do when they get some defensive attention is loft one up there for Bynum to stuff home.

Well the Bulls have a big man that can dunk, too, and pretty well. So why is it that this team that has so much trouble scoring doesn't try that at least once or twice a game?

Even Tyson and Eddy were able to convert on some of those kinds of plays, and that was before the Bulls were "Disappointing", back when they were just "Bad".

"Duhon, don't make that garbage-time jumper... Save it for the next game!"

by bullhockey on Dec 19, 2007 2:39 PM CST   0 recs

Did Cedric
Benson really break his ankle?  Or did the Bears tire of seeing a 3 yards per player getting paid 6 million a year. While letting go a 1.5 million a year player (running back) in Thomas Jones, who made it better for the Bears QBs.  All because Benson didn't get alone with Jones in the locker room.  

The bigger salary rules in this case, because somebody's credibility was on the line.

For some reason, Ben Wallace certainly has been very healthly.

Coaches, GM, personnel directors, etc forced to play lots of money feel less discomfort while the overestimated player is on DL because you are not consistently reminded of the hugh financial mistake based on their day-in-day out game play.

Bears now can see what the other reserve running backs can do during this loss season?

by exult463 on Dec 19, 2007 2:46 PM CST   0 recs

Not only that....
...but he has no idea what he's talking about.
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Dec 19, 2007 3:05 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

typer1147
With respect, I think you meant..

"but I has no idea what he's talking about".

by exult463 on Dec 19, 2007 3:24 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

uh huh
Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Dec 19, 2007 4:48 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Time for Skiles to go
Most of this season I've thought Skiles was generally the scapegoat for dreadful play from his players, but the last few days and games have lead me to conclude he needs to go sooner rather than later.

The biggest thing that's turned me around on this is his strange refusal to play Noah and Tyrus Thomas at the same time.

In and of itself, that's a logically defensible position based on the fact that having two young big guys out there is typically a recipe for disaster. Quick fouls, bad defense, you name it. But that logical defense goes out the window when your veteran alternatives are mediocre at best, your team doesn't appear to be going anywhere, and, most obviously, instead of playing two young big guys (Thomas and Noah), you're playing two young big guys (Thomas and Gray).

Robbed of an obvious logic, going out of the way to not play these guys together just makes it seem that Skiles is just going on the basis of stubbornness. What it reminds me of in particular is a few years ago when Bill Cartwright spent 3/4ths of a season playing Jay Williams and Jamal Crawford, our two most promising guys by far, with every combination of shitty players he could think of except each other. When they finally did play together, they actually played fairly well, especially by the extremely low standards of the time. They were certainly better than the alternatives. Which is the point.

So return that point to Skiles and look at the context of this season. At this point, even if we sneak into the playoffs, I don't see a lot of hope for the Bulls being competitive with the best teams in the East, let alone the West. Barring some sort of extreme stroke of fortune, the successful development of Tyrus and Noah is the only major means I see of improving this team. Sure, we can expect some improvement from our other young players, but I'm talking about major leaps here.

That doesn't mean we should dish out the entitlement minutes, but I do have a major problem with what appears to be a completely illogical aversion to giving it a go with our two most important frontcourt prospects.

To wit, I calculated it up and Noah and Thomas have logged a total of 17.18 minutes of court time together. Gray and Thomas have logged 16.43 minutes together.

The Bulls tend to play Thomas with Wallace; 62% of his minutes have come with him, 20% with Smith, and 9% with Nocioni. 7% with Gray and 5% with Noah.

The Bulls tend to play Noah with anyone. Except Thomas. 26% with Nocioni, 25% with Wallace, 23% with Smith and 19% with Gray. Only 8% of his minutes have come with Thomas.

In other words, Skiles is pretty sure these guys are substitutes and not complements. Out of all the frontcourt guys we've got, Noah and Thomas appear to be the least likely to play together.

by Sports2 on Dec 19, 2007 3:33 PM CST   0 recs

What do you think?
Do you think it would help matters if the staff would conclude that Nocioni should play the 2 or the 3 but not the 4?

I think that if you stop inserting Nocioni at the 4 you could clear up the logjam in the front court and allow Nocioni to eat up minutes from the players that are getting minutes that really are underperforming.

Right now Nocioni is coming in for Deng on a schedule.  However, he enters at the 4 if the starting 4 or 5 picks up 2 fouls early.

by NBA Observer on Dec 19, 2007 3:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

well
he's better at the 4. He's not big enough to be there full-time, but he's also too slow to be a 3, and his long-range chucking helps more as a frontcourt guy drawing out big dopey defenders.

Thus the vexing life of a tweener.

Unfortunately, Skiles' only self-reflection when it comes to lineups is that he has to get Nocioni out there as much as possible. So he'll be ahead of most frontcourt options for a while.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 19, 2007 4:01 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

And he only gets to the FT line as a 4
because the only guys he can drive past are PFs.

by Scotter on Dec 19, 2007 4:41 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

So...
Since I'm done with school, I started trying to figure out how good the players really have to be to win a championship. Just started, so nothing of that yet...

HOWEVER!

Luol Deng played more minutes last year than ANY PLAYER on ANY championship team of the past four years.

Deng had 3071 last year. Ben Wallace came closest in 2004 with 3050 minutes played. Wade was next closest with 2892. The next four were the other three Detroit guys (Billups, Hamilton and Prince) and Parker in 2005 and Duncan last year, all between 2700-2775 minutes for the season.

Hinrich-2839, Gordon-2703, Wallace-2696 last year as well.

(Oh, and if you think the Celtics ARE riding the big three into the ground, THEY ARE (on pace): Allen-2884, Pierce-3124, Garnett-2902. If they don't get hurt, they'll definitely have to start taking time off.)

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Dec 19, 2007 4:47 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

The Tim Thomas treatment
Skiles is either afraid of Wallace or oblivious to how much his performance is currently hurting the team.  If Skiles can't bring himself to bench him for fear of Wallace negatively affecting the rest of the team, maybe they just need to tell Wallace to go away.  I'd much rather see the J.R. Smith treatment and swap him out for an expiring contract.  We all know that's not going to happen.  So screw it, tell Wallace that he's benched and if he doesn't like it, he can just take his "body" home and pout.  Even better, put him up in a hotel in Detroit.  Maybe if he doesn't have anything better to do, he can at least help encourage Billups and Sheed to mutiny.  If he can't help the Bulls directly, at least he can help blow up the Pistons.

by snley on Dec 19, 2007 4:15 PM CST   0 recs

it's not even worth talking about
Wallace is here for the time being. Tim Thomas was a one-year cap killer, Wallace has 2.5 more to go.

Look up Simmons' worst contracts, it's the only way to get Wallace off the team at this point.

(but limit his minutes, sure. I can't believe Skiles played him 48 just a week ago. He really has no idea what to do with these guys)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Dec 19, 2007 4:26 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Should have been more clear
I would love Skiles, or whoever replaces him, to simply limit Wallace's minutes.  I just think he's, justifiably, afraid of Wallace's reaction and its affect on the rest of the team.  They're stuck w/ that terrible contract either way, so if he can't accept a very limited role, send him home.  Obviously, Skiles should go first for playing him even as much as he has.  Just don't lead his head be the only one to roll.  

by snley on Dec 19, 2007 5:21 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I wonder
sometimes if not playing big ben would admit - in public - that both Paxson and Skiles were suckered a few summers ago.  They seem to have bent a lot of rules for a guy who's done little more than have a smattering of superb games (more stinkers as of late), and by this I mean putting up with TOs, losing rebounds, and general offensive ineptitude.  

Alternatively, it's possible that Skiles doesn't want to have an all feather-weight team out there.  Noah, for all his length and athleticism, gets pushed around pretty often - he's been a far better offensive rebounder than defensive.  Big Ben, at the very least, puts that dead body of his in front of the man he's guarding.

What upsets me as an ordinary fan is the discrepency in how Skiles treats his players.  Tyrus can get poked in the eye: hook.  Noah can have a GOOD GAME: hook.  Ben somnoambulates his ass through a half, not getting a rebound, and there he is in crunch time - not getting rebounds.  

I'm not sure why Skiles feels a need to afford such unwarranted respect to a player who's given this franchise relatively little.  Luol, Deng and Kirk have been here - they deserve the slack.  And Ben deserves what he hasn't gotten: a seat on the bench to start the game.

by Freethefro on Dec 19, 2007 5:22 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

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