What is there to say? They're playing bad.

disagree

"If Hinrich, Wallace, Deng, and Gordon are this bad, there's no quick fixes that make a difference.'

Trade for Kobe. Very quick fix who will make a HUGE difference.

by Chad on Nov 4, 2007 6:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

agreed

by Azabullsfan on Nov 4, 2007 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

nah, cause a gutted team with kobe

is just as average, yet perhaps more buzzzzzzz. which I really don't care about.

unless you think these guys are below-average, which I won't quite concede yet. I'm sure you have strong feelings on the subject though!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2007 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's about wining games.This team is mentally weak,they don't have that "killer instinct".
We need a Leader,now we don't have him.
But we don't need Kobe for any price.We're deep enough.
I posted earlier many times what I think about
brining Kobe here.Just don't wanna repeat it again and again.

by Azabullsfan on Nov 4, 2007 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

mentally weak AND no killer instinct?

I believe they also lack the eye of the tiger.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2007 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and the Quan.

by philosoball on Nov 4, 2007 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oo! Oooo!

I can help with that. I'm super gritty and try really hard.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Nov 4, 2007 10:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't know Noce was on Blogabull.

"You don't hesitate with Michael, or you'll end up on some poster in a gift shop someplace." -Felton Spencer, on Michael Jordan

by cubbybear on Nov 5, 2007 12:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ha,ha,ha

very funny and smart.

by Azabullsfan on Nov 5, 2007 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wouldn't matter

I don't want to send Deng Gordon Thomas and Noah to LA for Kobe, but even if we did, we would have a better team than we do now. Kobe is in a rarified class of player that can carry a team by himself.

by Chad on Nov 4, 2007 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Except for the Lakers, apparently.

by Big D on Nov 4, 2007 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

For rizzle.

Is a Bulls team with Hinrich, Kobe, Wallace and Nocioni and Duhon and Griffin better than the Lakers team now? Fuck no. Chad's a turd.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Nov 4, 2007 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't care

If that team is better than the lakers the point is that the team you just listed is better than the team the bulls have now. Still not enough to win it all, but better than what we have. That was my point. But you didn't read what I wrote.

by Chad on Nov 4, 2007 10:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You're dumb.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Nov 5, 2007 9:38 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you win!

look at you big winner!! You just won the debate by calling me dumb! Congrats.

there is nothing dumb about what I said. Let me recap for you...

The Bulls are not a very good team
The Lakers are not a very good team - but better than the Bulls
If Kobe came to the Lakers and played without Deng, Gordon, Thomas and Noah the team would still be better than they are now.

You can disagree with that, but it's not 'dumb'.

by Chad on Nov 5, 2007 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

actually it is

as you're not providing any evidence to support your argument. It is indeed dumb.

by hscs on Nov 5, 2007 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

There really is no evidence...

It's all speculation and opinion.

But I THINK that Kobe with the remaining Bulls would be better. It's not dumb at all. I surely don't think that the Bulls with Kobe and no Deng/Gordon/Thomas/Noah will win the Championship, they would just be better.

by Chad on Nov 5, 2007 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"it's all speculation and opinion"

based on nothing, so it's dumb.

by hscs on Nov 5, 2007 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no

all this is dumb. Everything we do here is speculation and opinion. So either we accept peoples opinions and discuss them or there is no reason for this blog.

by Chad on Nov 5, 2007 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

all opinions

are not created equal.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 5, 2007 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think I'm the one who's dumb

I keep logging back in hoping for new comments other than this back and forth name calling crap. You'd think I'd have learned by now. ;)

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Nov 5, 2007 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

c'mon

we have almost made it to the right margin. And Chad is bullheaded enough to get us there.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 5, 2007 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The Bulls would just be the Atlanta Hawks....

of the 80s'. But without any Doc Rivers, Spud Webb, John Battle, Kevin Willis type players. Kobe Bryant IS Dominique Wilkins. It shows in the stats and it shows in EGO. We would just tune in and watch a guy throw up shot after shot. Then we can debate whether the Bulls can reach 41 wins by beating the Charlotte Bobcats in game 82. You know because if we win and the Hawks and Bucks lose we take the 8th and final spot for the 2008 playoffs. ALRIGHT!!! Wow I knew that Kobe trade would work!

Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 5, 2007 10:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Like I said...

You get the star and build around him. Like another team that escapes me. They didn't have much, were pretty crappy, brought in a guy named, Schecky Green or something. No wait, it was Radio Shack. Or something. I forget. Then they built around him. I think they won a championship.

or three.

by Chad on Nov 6, 2007 1:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I hope you don't have the SATs coming up

because your analogies are awful. There's a huge difference between Shaq and Kobe. Shaq was clearly the most dominant player in the NBA for 5-6 years. Kobe's arguably has managed to finish as high as 3rd once. There's a significant difference between a top 5 player all time, and Kobe Bryant.

Shaq also came as a free agent. The Lakers didn't have to give up any talent to get him. Sure if you add Kobe to this team without giving up a single player then this team contends for championships for the next three years and the future isn't harmed in anyway. That's alot different than trading 3 of the team's best 5 players for Kobe Bryant.

Think of Kobe Bryant like Scottie Pippen. Their games were different, but Kobe at his best almost matches Pippen in terms of impact. If you had Pippen then you would know that he has to be paired with either an even better player or with a lot of other talented players to win a championship. Bryant is no different. If he's the best player on the team, there needs to be significant talent around him. And Hinrich, Nocioni, Joe Smith, and Ben Wallace don't qualify as significant talent. And there's no building around Kobe once the trade is made. There's no time, no cap space, no draft picks, and no group of veteran players that want to take a pay cut to play with Kobe Bryant.

by Scotter on Nov 6, 2007 10:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok.....ok....not dumb, but your statements are...

INSANE!!!!! After a grand total of 3 games played you state that the Bulls are not a very good team. Huh??? Recent history would strongly suggest that the Bulls are a much better team than the Lakers. This year is no different than the past 3. So you make that trade. Now you have Kobe, Kirk, Nocioni, Wallace, Joe Smith in the starting lineup. This starting five is worse than the Lakers team he's playing with right now! This would equal another first round exit for Kobe. The Bulls would not be better, not even close.

Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 5, 2007 10:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Stay with me...

" Kobe, Kirk, Nocioni, Wallace, Joe Smith in the starting lineup. This starting five is worse than the Lakers team he's playing with right now! "

I never compared the two. Stick with what I said.

by Chad on Nov 6, 2007 1:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Isn't the point to win it all?

You're conceding that getting Kobe would mean no Championship. I'm not saying the team the Bulls have now will win the Ultimate Prize either. Maybe there is something else out there that can get the Bulls closer to a Championship. Kobe ain't $$$$$JORDAN$$$$$! Then again nobody is.

Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 5, 2007 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Please see my above comments

where I was talking about that team that brought in that superstar center. His name was Snack Pack. No. Dammit. What was his name? I think he was Irish. O'Leary or O'Hurley or someshit.

by Chad on Nov 6, 2007 1:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the lakers aren't better with kobe?

Kobe carries that team. He had crap around him last year. Without Kobe, they don't make the playoffs. they don't come within one game of upsetting the #2 suns. That was all Kobe.

by Chad on Nov 4, 2007 10:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that was also two years ago

although they did make the playoffs last year, too, and lose to the suns.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 5, 2007 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe it's time for a little history lesson

Two years ago, the Lakers came with one game of beating the Suns. But, the reason the Lakers won those three games was not Kobe Bryant. It was the other players showing up, particularly Lamar Odom. Kobe scored 43,51, 39, and 37 points against the Suns that regular season, but the Suns only win the regular season came in the 2nd to last game of the season when neither Nash or Raja Bell played. So the whole Lakers strategy was based on Kobe doing less because Kobe scoring wasn't helping the team win games. Kobe scored 22, 29, 17, 24, 50, and 24 points in the series with 29, 17, and 24 coming in the wins and the 50 coming in an overtime lost where he played all 53 minutes. When the Lakers went up 3-1 there was speculation that Kobe had finally turned the corner when it came to trusting his teammates, and letting Lamar Odom have the ball. Then the Lakers choked, and Kobe appeared to quit on the team in game 7. Essentially giving Phil the middle finger for not letting him try to win single handedly like the regular season.

This is the age of the internet. Even if you didn't watch all seven games like I did, there are box scores that you can look up. This is the type of evidence people expect to go along with your opinions.

by Scotter on Nov 5, 2007 3:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You're whole post is whack

What are you trying to say with this? I don't even get it. The reason that the Lakers won was that Kobe Bryant was on that team. He may have decided to play smarter and try to utilize the open man or maybe other players on the team decided to step up. But it doesn't matter. Take Kobe off that playoff roster and the get blown out in 4 straight. The Suns whole game plan may have been a "Jordan Rules", make someone else beat you. But needless to say that it was Kobe's presence on that court that allowed other players the ability to step up.

by Chad on Nov 5, 2007 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You don't even get it.

Which is why I've mostly stayed out of your recent escapades. You said, "That was all Kobe." Which was wrong, along with you not knowing the correct year of the playoff series or the correct seed of the Suns. Of course if you take Kobe off the roster the Lakers get swept, Sasha Vujacic wasn't much of a backup. But, replace Kobe with a lesser talent like Ray Allen or even Ben Gordon and the Lakers still win multiple games in that series because that series wasn't all about Kobe. If anything it was a series that demonstrated Kobe was holding his team back by his playing style, and that he had no idea how to be both a scorer and facilitator at the same time. No one's saying Kobe isn't a very good player, just that you have an irrational understanding of his value.

by Scotter on Nov 5, 2007 5:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not the case

I did dislex the playoff series from last year with the 06 one, this is true. But no matter. Put Ben Gordon on that team and they get swept. It's you who has an irrational understanding of Bryant's worth. There is a reason that he is one of the best, if not the best, player in the NBA. Certain players can transcend and carry a team. And Bryant is one of them. And there are only a few of them in the NBA.

Bryant
James
KG
Duncan
DWade (healthy of course)

perhaps a couple more.

Stars like that are few and far between and when you can get one you get one and let the chips fall where they may.

by Chad on Nov 5, 2007 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You're the one that said

that the Bulls would be a better team if they traded Deng, Gordon, Thomas, and Noah for Kobe. If you can't understand how that's an irrational over valuing of Kobe then discussing the issue is pointless. Maybe you'll return to talking about the Bears now that the bye week is over. Your knowledge of the NFL is alot less suspect than your knowledge of the NBA.

by Scotter on Nov 5, 2007 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i still don't get it

my point is that Kobe would make the Bulls better. Even if we had to give up Deng/Gordon/Thomas/Noah the Bulls would be better.

by Chad on Nov 5, 2007 7:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and you'd be wrong

at the most they'd be slightly better but still average, which is technically worse since they'd be older.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2007 7:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no i would be right

you even said i would be right. Don't contradict yourself. And just cause you're older doesn't mean anything. Either you are better (which you said we would be) or you wouldn't.

Nice try.

"slightly better but still average, which is technically worse"

that is great. Are you sure you're not a John Kerry policy advisor.

by Chad on Nov 5, 2007 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

take it easy there, leno

Surely an O.J. or Spiro Agnew reference would have worked just as well.

Tyrus Thomas' age and size give him a realistic shot to make as big of an impact in the future as Kobe now. It's a roll of the dice if he pans out, but he doesn't have to come close if Deng and Gordon continue to progress. The Bulls could be a better team for longer if they stick to their roster, and a trade down the road that doesn't gut the team could benefit more than a Kobe trade now. There's no reason to trade potential for mediocrity.

by hscs on Nov 5, 2007 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Keep chasing potential

you can keep trying to harness this 'potential' or you can make a move. Get kobe then get everything you can to help him succeed. There is still a four year window where he will be at the top of his game then many more of just good basketball.

by Chad on Nov 5, 2007 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not going to toss cliches

back and forth with you. This isn't a sub .500 team with a young roster. They've shown results, and while there are different schools of thought on how the team can win the East, blowing it all up for a player who isn't as good as Duncan, James, or Garnett isn't one of them (for those with half a brain anyway).

by hscs on Nov 5, 2007 9:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I said "at the most", you turd.

as in best case scenario for your idea. I think it wouldn't turn out to be that best case.

And I suppose in your rush to be 'right' you missed the subtlety of determining what is 'better' for the team, not necessarily their ability to win the next game. But you've shown to have the subtlety of Nocioni after getting whistled for a foul.

I can tell you enjoy getting into dumb arguments. I don't enjoy that you enjoy it. So either quit it or go to whatever message board hasn't banned you.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2007 9:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Again, what did Kobe CARRY the Lakers to?

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, two first round losses and one Playoff no show (2005)!

Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 5, 2007 10:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, but

If we no get the Kobe how we make ball go in basket for game of basketball???

by CrashDavis on Nov 5, 2007 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

that sounds like something the Bulls are asking themselves right now and doing a bad job at figuring it out.

by Chad on Nov 5, 2007 5:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess with Kobe.......

they don't make the playoffs either. Check 2005 >>> Lakers didn't make the playoffs.

Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 5, 2007 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Heh... not so apparently...

Lakers thus far: 2-1, with two excellent wins over good teams, and a last-second loss against Houston.
Bulls thus far: 0-3, with losses to teams that if someone told you before the season started you'd lose to, you woulda laughed in their face.

;)

by withmalice on Nov 5, 2007 6:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Here is a thought.

Become a Lakers fan and watch Kobe right now! Then you don't have to go on and on about a trade. Problem solved.

by cranscape on Nov 5, 2007 8:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Watched some Lakers last night

they were actually pretty entertaining. Bynum had a nice game, as did Miles' boy Jordan Farmar.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2007 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly!

Kobe isn't getting dusty on a shelf somewhere. Forget the trade and join Lakers fans right now! It would certainly more productive than spending the next few months complaining about the lack of a trade here every day.

Sometimes I wonder if the Lakers would actually be better off without Kobe, kinda like when AI left the 76ers. It doesn't seem like they have horrid pieces, just not ones adequately built around Kobe (who seems to need a dominant big man...something lacking in Chicago as well). If they do eventually trade Deng and others away to the Lakers for Kobe I'd probably end up enjoying the Lakers more than the then unrecognizable Bulls.

by cranscape on Nov 5, 2007 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Carry the Lakers to what???

To consecutive 1st round losses.......check!

Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 5, 2007 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

all that was awesome

by fireskiles on Nov 5, 2007 10:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Even though the shooting has been terrible,

I think the most important factor right now as you said is REBOUNDING. Yes, it hasn't been a glamorous statistic since Rodman retired, but is there anything more demoralizing to a team than repeatedly giving the other team second chances? Also, other teams, realizing that the Bulls have one of the better half court defenses have decided to run on the Bulls at every opportunity, leading to points for them and fouls for us. Maybe Pax should give Sefolosha more of a chance so we could at least get more rebounds and better transition D.

by philosoball on Nov 4, 2007 6:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I sure hope Wallace is injured.

Or that he's just off to a slow start. Because we have no chance this year without him. But if he is injured, what is he doing playing?

by Tim S. on Nov 4, 2007 7:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

He is...

The ankle is still bugging him...saw it in the Trib.

by Lt.Dan on Nov 5, 2007 8:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's good news, I think.

It's better than the alternative (i.e. he can never jump again). But I do hope he gets better quick!

by Tim S. on Nov 5, 2007 8:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wallace?

What are you expecting Wallace to do? He is playing at "Ben Wallace" expectations if you ask me. Is he supposed to come off picks and bury jumpers? I am confused as to what was expected of him

...now Heinrich on the other hand...c ya!

It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on Nov 5, 2007 11:49 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Rebounds

Check his rebound stats. They are abysmal. We didn't get him to suddenly have an outstanding offensive game (although we should expect put-backs at least) but rebounding and blocks? If he is that hurt he shouldn't be playing because Ben Gordon had more rebounds in the last game.

by cranscape on Nov 5, 2007 6:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

same story

When shots fall, bulls win. When they don't, bulls lose because they lack a inside scoring presence.

Also, I think the team is having issues dealing with higher expectations. After these losses it becomes "THESE guys are supposed to win the East?"

by jai on Nov 4, 2007 7:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Inside Presence?

Or go-to scorer? I don't think they need a guy where we dump it into the box. If the shots aren't falling, that mythical guy just gets doubled and tripled anyway.

The Bulls need the guy who can create his own scoring opportunities when there is nothing in transition and the sets aren't working.

by nateroth on Nov 5, 2007 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that pretty much nails it

at least, how I feel about the offense, anyway.

The fundamental argument is whether one of those guys is already here. I'm getting less optimistic by the game, but it's still early.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2007 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yes

Need a guy who can (either inside or outside) get his own shot or draw a foul when the Bulls need it ... or draw the double team to get easy shot for teammates. Gordon doesn't seem to be able to draw fouls enough, Deng doesn't seem to demand a double, and Kirk isn't ringing up double digit assists so the Bulls are struggling

Its not just about shooting %, its about putting defense on heals and making them adjust to you which opens it up for entire team. It doesn't help the Bulls to just make jump shots unless the can do that the entire game, otherwise other team just has to hang around, play a base defense and grab lead when Bulls have a cold spell

It also seems the other team is always shooting more foul shots then the Bulls due to Bulls style of play. Which seems to me to make it difficult because Bulls are missing out on easy baskets, and then have to work their motion offense well to get Gordon and open shot as opposed to Ray Allen getting open looks off of a KG or Pierce drawing in the defense for example

Not trying to beat dead horse but Bulls are not built around this "1" player who can control things on offense so they do need the entire team to be playing at high level to win. Beautiful to watch when they are on but also open to defeats like they have had when not on.

I still think there is no reason to panic yet, its the same team + JSmith/Noah and experience that was good last year so I think they will still be good this year. Maybe just not as dominate throughout season as we fans would like

by NY Chicago Fan on Nov 5, 2007 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wallace looks awful indeed

and more duhon is not the answer to any question

by fireskiles on Nov 4, 2007 7:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Well except for this question:

"How do we make this party pop off?"

by paxson43 on Nov 4, 2007 7:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ha!

hmm, maybe Duh has reformed himself, and thus has endeared himself even moreso to the also-reformed Skiles. What a tricky bastard Duhon is.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2007 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Duh

is def. playing better than Kirk. I would not mind seeing the most over rated player in the league...yes I am talking about Kirk...gone

It's Go Time Pax!

by Knowledge32 on Nov 5, 2007 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

nice

i can't wait til duh gets his first hot 97 shout out

by milesgmsu on Nov 5, 2007 12:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

regressed

or just poorly developed.

by hscs on Nov 4, 2007 7:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Atlanta Hawks

I'm watching Atlanta-Detroit.And maaaan,I'm impressed with this team.They beat Maveriks,and they are up by 3 points at the end of the second quoter.
Then you look at Bobcats who just beat Miami,you understand that this year it's gonna very hard to win the east(not to mention teams like Boston).
So bulls are not in that position like:we're ok. we allways start slow.You can't start 0-9 anymore.
You have to beat Clippers badly to chnge the momentum,and be ready for Detroit and Toronto.
If they will 1-6 before Circus-they are almost done,cause there is no very weak teams.

by Azabullsfan on Nov 4, 2007 7:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Thabo actually got plenty of burn last night

And I thought he played ok. He couldn't shoot, but neither could anybody else. And Noc is the only guy who seems to understand the importance of going to the hole. BG went a few times in the first game, got knocked and didn't get a call, and seems to have given up. That's not a good sign from your shooting guard.

I am sure Skiles will chew on some asses, but judging by the way they played, this could be the end for him. If the guys don't respond, this team has nothing to fall back on.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 4, 2007 8:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

it sucks

there aren't any replacement coaches to long for. Van Gundy is the short list.

by hscs on Nov 4, 2007 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How about

get Jakson back in the package with Kobe?

by Azabullsfan on Nov 4, 2007 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

I'd sooner embrace Rick Majerus, or a cousin of Rick Majerus.

by hscs on Nov 4, 2007 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

fuck the fatso

"maurice ager is not a good athlete" still bitter about that

by milesgmsu on Nov 5, 2007 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Did you know

Majerus said Bogut had a degenerative eye disease before the draft?

by KT on Nov 5, 2007 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He has a fake hip. He can't stand up

could you imagin if Phil turned into a crane from teenage mutant turtles? Just Phil's head floating down the sideline yelling at the ref's. How would he whistle? Oh he would have a button when he needs to whistle.

Hey who let Danny Crawford back in the league?

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 4, 2007 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Put Phil in a penthouse suite.

He could coach from upstairs, since he has that bad hip. The Bulls could start a new trend in NBA coaching. They could then fax photos of previous plays during the game like the NFL.

Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 5, 2007 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Rick Carlisle

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2007 9:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes!

Rick is the man!

The Future is bright!

by Goostafer on Nov 4, 2007 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

a popovich disciple maybe

Worth looking into his coaching staff.

by hscs on Nov 4, 2007 10:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

aren't they hired already?

PJ Carlissemo and Mike Brown

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2007 8:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oops

Peej wasn't really a disciple, more of a mercenary assistant coach. I forgot about Mike Brown. Maybe there isn't a magic well of coaches in San Antonio.

by hscs on Nov 5, 2007 9:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't know who he's a disciple of

But your guy Dwane Casey is out there!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2007 9:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

wikipedia (citation free!) says

George Karl. I'm willing to accept that.

by hscs on Nov 5, 2007 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

or not

Casey's only full season with the T-Wolves featured a 28th ranked offense. Down from 7th in 2004-05, up to 25th in 2006-07.

by hscs on Nov 5, 2007 9:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think my darkhorse is JOHN PAXSON

I think PAX would make an excellent coach. He knows what it takes to win a championship. He's hard nosed. He also knows that developing Tyrus Thomas, Thabo, and Noah are vital for this franchise to reach its GOAL, which of course is a Championship. He knows that playing guys like Duhon heavy minutes won't do anything for the future.

Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 5, 2007 9:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Seems like Skiles is still very quick to abandon

Thabo, as shown by his long benching after the mistakes against New Jersey. Skiles has to let the more talented guys have more leeway to get their games together. Du had more burn than Thabo against Milwaukee which should just pretty much never happen for the long-term success of the Bullies.

by philosoball on Nov 4, 2007 9:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I am guessing that Paxson would make

personnel changes before making a coaching change.

SUCK IT SABAN!

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 5, 2007 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

start duhon.

Wow, can't believe Matt the Duhon killer has been thinking that. I've been thinking about that possibility since Friday's loss. Loving that shit.

I'd give the Bulls and Hinrich 1 more game, and then put Hinrich to the bench (which is where he's been spending most of his time anyway.)

Start Duhon. Reasons:

Best playing bull. Consisent. So, deservant.
Hinrich the Hiccup is not playing well.
Duhon's efficiency is greater than Hinrich
Shake things up, send a general message
Wake up Hinrich the Hiccup
Hinrich's contract.

#6 may be the reason why the Bulls actually DO NOT set duhon as a starter, and hinrich as a reserve. Doing so will declare that the bulls [pretty much] made a mistake with Hinrich's contact (its existence, amount, and length.) Skiles would love to shake things up, but not at the expense of admitting that Hinrich's contract is not justified [at least in this short term season so far.] Obviously there hasn't been enough time to tell, but speculation will exist.

by chicago-homesick-blues on Nov 4, 2007 8:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I don't want them to start Duhon

I said I'm worried that Skiles will actually do it.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2007 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What the fuck is "deservant"?

Seriously. I know this is just a blog, yada yada, but please don't use big words if they don't exist. There are plenty of small words (and/or real ones, too) that would have got your point across just as well.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Nov 4, 2007 10:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have had some scarey thought's lately.

Like building around Tyrus Thomas. Trade Wallace. Trade Hinrich. Tank the season and draft OJ Mayo! Just a joke. Kind of.

Hey who let Danny Crawford back in the league?

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 4, 2007 8:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

thoughts.

what the hell is wrong with me. Really though Hinrich needs to go.
Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Kirk Hinrichs got to go! Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Kirk Hinrichs got to go!

Hey who let Danny Crawford back in the league?

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 4, 2007 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe's Deng's problem

is that he's having regrets over turning down a $ 57.5 million offer the Bulls made (and the one he said they didn't make after making noises saying he's sign if they upped it)

It's in KC's article:

It's impossible not to wonder if Deng's and Gordon's struggles are related to their decisions to turn down multimillion-dollar contract extensions and their mention in frequent Kobe Bryant trade rumors. Both players continue to offer the right words. But with confirmation that Deng turned down an increased five-year offer worth nearly $57.5 million, speculation about regrets is legitimate.

by KT on Nov 4, 2007 10:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

then he's 'mentally weak', apparently

I think it's a lame excuse and an insult to a professional to even suggest.

Lets say it's true, then thankfully he didn't sign the extension, right? I'd rather assume he wouldn't be effected so easily.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 4, 2007 10:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Paxson said it affected him.

Whatever that means.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Nov 4, 2007 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dumb ass! Dumb ass! What a dumb ass.

What the fuck is he making now? Jack shit! No but really I wonder whats really going on here. Something's fishy.

Hey who let Danny Crawford back in the league?

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 4, 2007 11:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't realize at first

that it's news that the Bulls did increase their offer to $57.5m, and didn't increase Gordon beyond the $50m. At least as far as we know.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2007 10:59 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That jumped

out to me as well.

Kinda puts things in perspective a little more about where Paxson/Bulls stand...not to say that I like it though.

ALERT - I'm going to commence my weekly rant about Gordon getting no respect

But it's pretty obvious how they feel about BG to me. It almost seems like they have a "we'll put up with you while you're here" type of attitude. Both parties say the right things to the media, but I think both know that it probably won't last too much longer.

I have an issue when someone says "I plan on (insert player name here) being here a long, long time"...but only hours earlier that same person feverishly tried to move that player.

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 5, 2007 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see where you get that

Do you honestly think BG is worth more than that? I don't. What does he do that would make him worth more?

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 5, 2007 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe him

leading the team in scoring the past 3 seasons might have something to do with it

But not even that...it's his value to the team in general. Take away Gordon in the past two seasons and you probably tack on 5-10 more losses per season. At times he single-handedly keeps them in games. Sure he may not win games by himself, but he puts them in positions to win (turnovers aside).

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 5, 2007 1:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he isn't that good of a scorer

and somebody else could make up that difference pretty easily. He only averaged 21 and last year was his first time consistantly starting.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 5, 2007 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"he isn't that good of a scorer"

HUH? Are you sure that you're watching the games?

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 5, 2007 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He's a fantastic shooter

but not that great of a scorer. He doesn't get to the line enough, struggles to create his own shot, and seems to have trouble dribbling and passing. So yeah, not that great of a scorer, there's a difference.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 5, 2007 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"Not that great a scorer"

He was 14th in the entire NBA last season in points per 40 minutes.

by Big D on Nov 5, 2007 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

He was actually 15th

in points per 40. In points per game he was 14th, but Deng was 25th and Kirk was 40, and BG was closer to 40 than he was to 1. So no, I don't consider him great scorer, especially considering he was the first option for the bulls last year and he had one of the lowest fg% and FTA rates among the top 20. The attribute that put him so high was his 3pt shooting %.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 5, 2007 2:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I know what I see with my two eyes

and my eyes see that he is both a good shooter AND scorer. Anytime someone can bust 50 or close (48 vs Bucks last season), then that person is a decent scorer.

Anyway you slice it, the Bulls are crap without BG's offense.

Closer to 40 than he was to 1...lol...don't be so abstract with your "logic"

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 5, 2007 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

All I said was

he isn't a great scorer. I wouldn't put him in a class with Kobe or DWade. He's certainly a better than average scorer.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 5, 2007 3:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

heh

I was hoping for a my two eyes see better than your two eyes response. It's pretty easy to quantify a player's scoring contributions, but I still like the odd direction this is taking.

Gordon did have a better TS% (I did a nifty search for players with 500+ minutes and 15+ FGA/48 in 06-07) than Melo, James, Arenas, and Allen last year. Discuss with your eyes!

by hscs on Nov 5, 2007 3:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

if he really wanted to get me

he would have said BG smells like a great scorer. I don't want any part of that argument. And like I said, BG is a great shooter, so I am not surprised that TS% is high. But it's high based on the strength of his 3pt and FT shooting.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 5, 2007 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

so if Gordon isn't

a great scorer...then who IS? And you CAN'T say any of those players that hscs just mentioned. I'm interested to see who you list.

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 5, 2007 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

There aren't a lot of great scorers in the league

right now. Not mentioning the guys on the list I'd say AI is on the downside of his career, so he's probably not great anymore. Dirk and Bosh are better, but they are big men. I haven't seen enough of Kevin Martin to say he's a great scorer, but he gets to the line more. McGrady just shoots more than BG to get the extra points. Magette might make the list if he could straighten things out with his coach and get on the court more.

When I say great scorer, I mean guys who you can give the ball to and clear out and expect them to score. Do you think BG fits that description? I don't. BG can't take anybody off of the dribble. Guys like Dominique and Jordan were great scorers who could either get the basket or the foul. BG isn't anywhere near there.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 5, 2007 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Paul Pierce comes to mind.

I don't like his game since he isn't interested in playing defense, but he is a a classic scorer. He can score in a variety of ways. He gets to the line. He can take his man off the dribble and has a nice shot. A scorer to me doesn't depend on one type of way to score, which Ben Gordon does with his jump shot.

Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 5, 2007 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It's not based on 3pt and FT

because like you said Gordon doesn't get to the line enough. Wade and Bryant get more benefit ftom FTs in their TS%. And Gordon doesn't actually take that many 3s. Only a little more than 1 3PA for every 4 FGA, that's not very high for a SG. Especially when Ray Allen is taking more than 2 3PA for every 5 FGA. Gordon's 45.5 FG% was very solid and the product of alot of FGAs he created. The whole reason his TS% was so high for the 1st time in his career is that he got better at scoring, taking the ball to the basket and finishing or pulling up for jumpers off the dribble.

I'm not jumping into the deate about whether Gordon is great or super duper or whatever ranking system, your using. I'm just trying to straighten out the stats.

by Scotter on Nov 5, 2007 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Gordon did shoot a lot of 3's relatively

or at least it was in line with what others at the top of the pts/game list. And his 3 pt % was significantly higher than the others on the top of the list. BG's .455 2 pt % was a lot lower than Kobe's, Carmelo's, Joe Johnson's, all guys who scored more pts/game, but BG didn't have as many 2pt attempts.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 5, 2007 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not to mention

kirk had a higher TS% and nobody is claiming he is a scorer.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 5, 2007 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you're right

I think I am thinking of eFG%.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 5, 2007 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Gordon can score

But man is he so streaky.
Consistency is something he needs to establish in his game if he wants to get the next level.

But that has been his problem since he was drafted.

youtube.com/angryasianace

by AngryAsianAce on Nov 5, 2007 4:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Anytime someone can bust 50...

Jamal Crawford did score 52 last season.

Don't know that that's the best logic to support your cause.

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Nov 5, 2007 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i don't see why not

Crawford scored 50 once when he was with the Bulls....he's put up big time numbers several times. So he isn't considered a scorer to you?

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 5, 2007 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

A scorer in the sense that that's his

primary role for the team and he does little else, yes - a scorer in the sense that this means he has great value to his team, no.

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Nov 5, 2007 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Harold Minor SCORED 50pts. in a game too......

Did you consider him a great scorer?? Jamal Crawford has one game a year like that. So fucking what! Jamal Crawford shot his career average last year which is 40%. He averaged 17.6. Crawford is not a scorer. There's plenty of him in the NBA. The point is Gordon is not a great scorer. He doesn't score in a variety of ways. That's what a scorer is. If a scorer's jump shot isn't falling, he goes in the post. Or he uses dribble penetration. Basically, if Gordon's shot isn't falling, he's done.

Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 5, 2007 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm...

I don't want to come down on either side of this argument, but Tony Delk once scored 53 points in a game -- and he wasn't exactly a go-to guy.

Again, I just wanted to point out the 50-point argument is a bit flawed...

Prashant

by bigintangibles on Nov 6, 2007 6:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

14th in both if you don't count dajuan wagner

by smegmatic on Nov 5, 2007 3:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and who would, in anything.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2007 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thomas

has not been a bright spot.

I'd say Nocioni has though.

Funny that we're both watching the same games.

by JSlakov on Nov 4, 2007 11:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

WHAT!@

Thomas has been our most consistant player on both ends of the floor.

Hey who let Danny Crawford back in the league?

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 4, 2007 11:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

with the #1 overall pick the Golden State Warriors

Draft
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JOE SMITH!

by milesgmsu on Nov 5, 2007 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I love how

consistent is a compliment in the sports world when it really has neither positive nor negative connotations.

by JSlakov on Nov 5, 2007 1:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you're just watching them wrong

by hscs on Nov 5, 2007 7:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Rick Morrissey

is a fool. To have a shot feed it to Deng? Yeah ooookkkkkk. And when he can shoot his 15 footer to hit the front of the rim everytime. The guy can't even dribble. Loul is like a 3rd option guy.

Hey Ric Bucher I would love to see the Pistons trade for Kobe Bryant! Could you see him going to Detroit yeahhhhhh Kobe the Piston some how I don't see Kobe hanging out in Detroit for the next 5 years in the NBA. But hey Dennis Rodman was a Bull. This whole thing is a fucking joke. Now look what losing does for you Sam Smith wants to trade for........ Elton Brand. Ok Im going to sleep for a long long time and when I wake I hope taht this has all been a bad bad dream. The Bulls really need to win a fucking game.

Hey who let Danny Crawford back in the league?

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 4, 2007 11:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I don't think Morrisey's idea was that bad

it's more practical than trading the whole team for Kobe, and they need to come up with something to fall back on when the 'jump shooting team' fails.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2007 9:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

But that ship has sailed.

Hey who let Danny Crawford back in the league?

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 5, 2007 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You guys

Im so frustrated right now....please give me words of optimism

by Option27 on Nov 5, 2007 12:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Let me try...

The last time the Bulls started 0-3, they finished 47-35?

Ok, that sucked.

by bigintangibles on Nov 6, 2007 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

WE ALL KNEW

Guys, everyone can say what they want but "ENERGY & GYM RATS" will only take you so far. The bulls are going no where with this team. Everyone talks about Gordon but he is the best offense the teams has. Deng, is not going to be a start and take your pick the rest of the team will only be role players in the NBA. We should of included whomever LA Lakers wanted to get Kobe, YES we do need him. Stop saying this team is good without an all-star, they are not and they will not win 50 + games, it will be the same old story as last year. Bring in Aaron Gray, wallace, Hinrich, Gordon and deng. TT should come off the bench.

PJ

by jonespr on Nov 5, 2007 1:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

they're playing bad

but they can turn it around. I guess I'd rather see them play bad at the start of the season than at the end of it.

I'm not in full panic mode yet, only because we've all seen them do this before (have slow starts). They have three tough games this week, which are all win-able.

The key is trying to get at least a couple of wins under their belt before they head out on the circus trip. If they can win 2 out of these next 3 (hopefully all 3) then we can breathe a little easier.

To me, they just need to slow down. It seems they are playing at a super fast pace, which makes the mistakes mount up. As Stacey King would say..."slow down, run your sets, and you'll be fine"

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 5, 2007 8:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Irony

With all the questions about the power forward position, who would have thought that it would be our strongest position through the first three games? Seriously, get Wallace out of there. A folding chair could get more rebounds at this point. With the team shooting 38 percent and opponents shooting 39 percent, he should be able to average more than 3.7 boards. Yeesh.

by Mike Aparicio on Nov 5, 2007 10:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

My biggest concern: Hinrich

Hinrich basically spent his weekend getting burned by Andre Miller and Michael Redd. I have always been a big fan of Kirk with the Bulls, and I think he has been a great defensive asset to the team.

But oh my goodness did he torched by these guys. Micahel Redd, I can understand. I don't like it, but he is one of the better 2-guards in the conference. But when Andre Miller takes you to school? That's a wake up call!

Inflamatory query of the day:
We all heard about the "bigger, stronger Kirk Hinrich" before the season. Is this "bigger, stonger" version now too slow to play defense at the level we've witnessed in the past?

Wrecked 'em? Damn near killed 'em!

by mdmnd9294 on Nov 5, 2007 12:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Andre Miller took it to Kirk

and I think Miller is an underrated player. But Redd shot 8-24.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 5, 2007 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Redd still led all scorers with 27...

and he had 10 straight in the decisive 3rd quarter run that turned the game to the Bucks favor.

Wrecked 'em? Damn near killed 'em!

by mdmnd9294 on Nov 5, 2007 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sorry 8 straight pts (12 in the 3rd)

Wrecked 'em? Damn near killed 'em!

by mdmnd9294 on Nov 5, 2007 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

one quarter

in which Redd was 5-9. He was 3-15 the rest of the game. That's not torching anybody. And Hinrich wasn't on him the whole third quarter.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 5, 2007 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

but kirk

definitely had a lousy offensive game.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 5, 2007 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Didn't mean to be snippy about Redd...

This start has me frustrated. I didn't expect an 0-3 start; I don't like how they've played to get there and I don't like what I've seen at all. They've been a mess on both ends of the floor.

It's like when a team is winning sloppy against teams it should beat, you say they're "playing down to the level of competition." Well, right now this team is losing by playing down below the level of competition. It's just a mess. Did I mention that already?

Wrecked 'em? Damn near killed 'em!

by mdmnd9294 on Nov 5, 2007 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

KILL KILL

If the Bulls lose tomorrow, I'm asking for a refund on my NBA League pass

by Option27 on Nov 5, 2007 2:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Bulls won't lose tomorrow

The Bulls will win their first game tomorrow and all will be well from there on. Mr. Energy (Joakim Noah) is in the lineup. People like Milwaukee's Li won't be having a field day with nobody in their face.

by SlamDunk on Nov 5, 2007 3:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Concerned Over Maggette...

I hope somebody steps up and contains him.
Hinrich got stay off foul trouble and do some heavy D on his ass.

I really hope that that dueshebag Tim Thomas gets his knee caps smashed >:)

youtube.com/angryasianace

by AngryAsianAce on Nov 5, 2007 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bulls won't lose tomorrow

Is the Chinese guy Yi or Li? I think it's Yi.

by SlamDunk on Nov 5, 2007 3:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Yi Jilian

Pronounced "ee" "Jil-leon"

youtube.com/angryasianace

by AngryAsianAce on Nov 5, 2007 4:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

Bulls fans shouldn't panic. The team is far better than it has shown. The last week or two have been unique for the young players, especially Deng and Gordon, plus the freak injuries. I hope Skiles stops playing with the heads of Thomas and Noah by injecting Aaron Gray as some sort of threat to their minutes. It's a stupid move on his part and instead of fostering competitiveness, it's played with their minds. Show confidence in them, help them to relax. If Noah is having problems with the system, Skiles should take it as a personal challenge on his part to help him make the adjustments. If Skiles is found wanting in this area, then he's not doing a good job. Good coaches are able to connect mentally with players. Showing little patience getting angry at every little mistake only serves to lose a player.

by SlamDunk on Nov 5, 2007 4:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Skiles

you described some of the major problems with his coaching. Another I believe is this slow motion offensive. This offense alone without fast quick guards+wings who can leap and finish at the rim, or a scoring post player will never win a NBA championship because its basis is open shots that go down sometimes, (maybe 40% average).
With the Bulls roster they are based on winning it all with jump shots in Skiles motion offensive.
imho. I think the Bulls need a new coach and change of direction. Skiles is wanting in many areas. But, if the Bulls continue along this pace and get a lower seed in the playoffs with a first round exit against the upgraded, strong boston's, or new jersey's then will you wait to panic then when you've already stated the obvious now? Save yourself the wait and prolonged frustration, Panic now!

by exult463 on Nov 5, 2007 6:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds like Noah has been hanging with Duhon

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/fullcourtpress/2007/11/noahs-arc.html

Thus far, Noah's NBA career path has been more Marcus Fizer-like than Elton Brand-like. A high-profile college player with a rare resume of back-to-back NCAA titles, Noah has struggled to pick up offensive sets. He's also had issues with focus and revealed on Monday that he's been fined by the coaching staff for arriving late for team functions.

by Big D on Nov 5, 2007 4:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

No, no, that can't be true.

No fucking way. Noah is a fun-loving free-spirit who helps grandmothers cross the street between sets of stand-up at Zanies and charity appearances at the cancer ward of Children's Memorial.

Sam Smith told me so.

SUCK IT SABAN!

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 5, 2007 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sounds like he didn't

make it to some pr events on time. Duhon blowing off practice post-Saints victory seems a tad less professional.

by hscs on Nov 5, 2007 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good Kid

Noah's a good kid. If he steps out of line or picks up any bad habits, his parents will hear of them and be in his face. In that Bryant Gumble piece on REAL SPORTS his mother told of although his father would be in France, she would get on the phone and call his dad whenever he stepped out of line and needed a talking to, and his father would be on the first plane to New York to straighten him.

by SlamDunk on Nov 5, 2007 5:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You're kidding, right?

I mean that mommy and daddy bullshit stops right at the, "I make 2 million dollars a year - you don't tell me what to do" realization happens.

by Chad on Nov 5, 2007 5:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

when are Parent/Coach conferences?

If Ma and Pa Noah need to tell their kid to show up for work on time he's in real trouble.

by hscs on Nov 5, 2007 5:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I heard on the score

a Noah quote about his surprise and dissapointment over the fans booing and chanting for Kobe.

That's a fast way to make me not like you.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2007 5:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Fans

I think he's reacting like any player in his position. Fans will be fans, they just want to win, nothing personal. During the preseason they welcomed him with a big round of applause when he played his first home game.

by SlamDunk on Nov 5, 2007 5:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well that's the correct reaction:

"Fans will be fans, they just want to win, nothing personal."

Noah also said 'you wouldn't see that in college'. Which takes me back to the fine single season of Jay Williams.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2007 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't have a schedule

when's Jay Williams bobbleleg night this year?

by CrashDavis on Nov 5, 2007 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

His future answer...

...to the Sports Illustrated Q&A of "What was your 'welcome to the league' moment?"

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Nov 5, 2007 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Jay Williams

signed with a league in Italy.

http://www.mondobasket.it/news-legea-scafati-jason-jay-williams-bkt-3566.htm

(I don't read Italian, I'm taking the word of someone who used something like babelfish to figure this out).

by KT on Nov 5, 2007 6:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wait did K.C. get Noah mixed up

with Tyrus Thomas. I thought Noah was mature beyond his years, and had every good quality that Tyrus lacked.

by Scotter on Nov 5, 2007 5:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, you're clearly misinterpreting this

It must be case of Noah being secure in his professionalness while Ty is just a low IQ rule follower or something like that.

What would have been funny would be if the blog entry had ended by noting that Ty has been on time for everything. But I suppose other people's failings don't reflect on him the same way their good qualities do, eh?

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Nov 5, 2007 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

82games has the season up

http://www.82games.com/0708/0708CHI.HTM

Not pretty, as you can imagine. Noc has the top Roland rating right now, followed by Wallace. Obviously the sample size is still quite small, but BG has this incredibly horrible on court/off court net of -31.4. I've watched the games and I'm having trouble believing that. Of course, the off court sample is only 21 minutes, but still.

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Nov 5, 2007 6:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

what's this?

a statistic saying Nocioni is good? Better discount it.

by JSlakov on Nov 5, 2007 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sample size

::whew::

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2007 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Still seeing Nocioni

as the only Bull with a positive +/- when I logged into Basketball Value was quite a shock.

by Scotter on Nov 5, 2007 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Watching the games

i'm not suprised that the only consistently aggressive player so far, and the only one willing to drive to the basket on a consistent basis grades the best so far.

If we could give Nocioni's mentality to Deng or Gordon, i'd be happy.

It's also not suprising that when a scorer like Gordon plays inefficiently, he's hurting his team.

by rexisourqb on Nov 6, 2007 3:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

David berri has an interesting analysis

...of why the Bulls have played poorly after 3 games in his blog

by bullsfaninbigapple on Nov 5, 2007 9:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

yes, if the Bulls major investment

has already regressed into one of the worst players in the league, they are screwed.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 5, 2007 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not a betting man

But Ben Wallace will end up being assuredly an above-average center this year. I even would go so far as to say that he will have a better year than last year. He didn't seem all the comfortable last year, and he will have more help in the frontcourt than he has previously.

"You don't hesitate with Michael, or you'll end up on some poster in a gift shop someplace." -Felton Spencer, on Michael Jordan

by cubbybear on Nov 5, 2007 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What's that based on?

Simply 'gut feeling'?
Nothing I've seen thus far would indicate that Wallace "...will have a better year than last year."
Quite the reverse...

by withmalice on Nov 6, 2007 6:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Chicago media at odds

Heh...I started to make a new diary for this, but it's probably not worth it

Just found it funny that Mariotti takes a shot at Morrissey's article...then Rozner takes a shot at Mariotti's article

Just shows that everyone is an expert I guess...nobody knows what the team needs...other than wins.

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 6, 2007 8:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Mariotti

"it's absurd to think Deng can morph into a scoring machine by becoming more assertive, as someone foolishly wrote Monday"

Why not say Morrisey's name? Newspapers are so weird.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 6, 2007 9:12 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Morrisey

wrote a Marrioti is a hack column after Ozzie voiced his concerns about Jay's sexuality. He even called Jay "the world's first blogger" or something like that.

by hscs on Nov 6, 2007 9:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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