Open Game Thread # 12: Bulls at Toronto Raptors
[Thanks to wjb1492 for today's game thread. -Matt]
I don't even know where to start, or what's worth saying again about the team. The Bulls' Saturday loss to the Knicks (the Knicks!) was yet another display of bad passing and poor shooting. It's not as if the Knicks played well, shooting 39.4%, missing 16 free throws, and racking up 17 turnovers. But the Bulls incredibly, fantastically, and unbelievably managed to play even worse, shooting a hideous 34.5%, which they combined with a -10 rebound margin, 14 TOs to a measly 13 assists, and a grand total of 29 personal fouls for the day. And that's just the stats - if you missed the game, you'll thank me for sparing you the details of the many passes directly into the arms of Knicks and the many airballs put up by our team, not to mention the long scoreless stretch at the end of the 4th quarter when the game was there for the taking. It seems I can't help pulling for this team, so I'm really hoping that their crash to the bottom of the East has jarred them all, Kirk and BG and their anti-career years in particular, into remembering that they are capable of playing much better than this.
Meanwhile, Toronto is coming off of a Saturday loss of its own, narrowly losing to the Cavs 108-111. Unfortunately for the Bulls, not all losses are created equal. The raps shot 49.4% from the field and 90.9% from the line, with 25 assists to only 5 TOs. About the only box-score type thing they didn't do well - other than getting the W, of course - was rebound (only 28, -19 margin). If the Bulls shooting stays as cold as it has been, the Raps will get plenty of opportunities to work on that!
So what to expect in the game tomorrow? I confess, I'm a little scared to think about it. I'm guessing everyone remembers what happened last time the Bulls and Raps faced off, and if the guys show up in Toronto with a performance like Saturday's, it could get really ugly really quick. I'm going to cling to the law of averages - as bad as they've been, at some point they're going to play outstanding ball to even out the stats. Hopefully that will start really soon. Nesterovic, TJ Ford, and Garbajosa were out for yesterday's game, while Lu sat out the Knicks disaster with his back injury. Nesterovic and Garbajosa will almost certainly be out again, while Ford and Lu are listed as questionable.
I wish I could come up with something positive to wrap up with here, but I've got nothing. Bracing for disappointment does that to me. But maybe this will be the game...
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Watching the celtics highlights and
by tomcat on Nov 25, 2007 2:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
fire skiles now!
by fireskiles on Nov 25, 2007 2:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i can't take it anymore
by tomcat on Nov 25, 2007 2:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
And to think none of us wanted to trade
by hhi on Nov 25, 2007 5:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
It is what it is.
I hope Lu is back today.
by sue369 on Nov 25, 2007 10:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I like these afternoon games
by bleargh on Nov 25, 2007 10:40 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Coinidence?
Both teams looked, and for all intents and purposes, seemed like they would both be teams to beat and possibly get back to the SB and to the finals...
And NOW look....
For ME anyway, that is what is making this all so hard to deal with - because I love BOTH of these teams so much, and usually have SOMETHING to look forward to watching highlights on CC Sportsnet in the mornings...
But instead I haven't been watching at all because it's just painful reminders of how ugly things have gotten this season.
Dear Santa:
All I want for Christmas is for our Chicago teams to get back to winning again.
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 10:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
COINCIDENCE...sorry
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 10:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lets put forward a motion
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry I pissed you off
I hear ya.
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls are a totally different team
Have hope
by Option27 on Nov 25, 2007 10:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I really don't want to
by bleargh on Nov 25, 2007 11:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Will the Bulls outscore the Patriots today?
by Big D on Nov 25, 2007 11:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
by bleargh on Nov 25, 2007 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
According to Wayne
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 11:08 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
too bad that other PG is better
by hscs on Nov 25, 2007 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, he's their Chris Duhon
(actually, Duhon could start for the Bulls now)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 11:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like Skiles
by Option27 on Nov 25, 2007 11:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
even more reason
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the day
Bulls by 1!
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 11:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
The TOR
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 11:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus is getting picked on for fouls
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 11:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
cap flexibility
by Sambossanova on Nov 25, 2007 11:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
god damnit
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 11:16 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
looks like
by Freethefro on Nov 25, 2007 11:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LU looks very unsure of himself out there
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 11:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Deng is playing
by hscs on Nov 25, 2007 11:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
that's twice that Luol
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 11:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
make that 3 times
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 11:22 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Early, but the boys are playing
by bleargh on Nov 25, 2007 11:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sit him down
by Freethefro on Nov 25, 2007 11:23 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
they can use ANY help they can find
Perhaps maybe wait until Tuesday in front of the home crowd to build a little confidence...?
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And just as I say that
At least his jumper is starting to fall...
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Lu looks to be
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 11:25 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Sweet words
Haven't heard that all bloody season (I don't think)!
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 11:32 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Heinrich is on fire!
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 11:37 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey bud - wanna go double or nothing today?
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, what a quarter!
by bleargh on Nov 25, 2007 11:38 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 11:41 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Did Humphries lead the big 10
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 11:43 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
What IS a "pookie" anyway?
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 11:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
don't know,
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 11:48 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Was hinrich hitting jumpers or layups?
by bullshooter on Nov 25, 2007 11:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You ready for this?
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thabo playing some aggressive D
by bullshooter on Nov 25, 2007 11:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thabo has been a therror
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 11:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Are the bulls
by bullshooter on Nov 25, 2007 11:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
wow
by bullshooter on Nov 25, 2007 11:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
...the more they've stayed the same
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Kirk has a good game
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 11:53 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
clever
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They're not playing the
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 11:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Lu might still be stiff
FT's look decent too...
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 11:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Do the Toronto guys get paid
by bullshooter on Nov 25, 2007 11:59 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Last I heard
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As the us dollar devalues
by bullshooter on Nov 25, 2007 12:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's all part of the Raptor's master plot...
by Freethefro on Nov 25, 2007 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they do get paid in canadian dollars
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
taxes are another big variable.
On taxes, I believe it's Florida that has no state income taxes, so players on the Florida teams keep significantly more of what they earn.
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 12:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yet another cold spell
by Big D on Nov 25, 2007 12:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yup
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Classic
by Freethefro on Nov 25, 2007 12:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm still excited...
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 12:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been positive
by Freethefro on Nov 25, 2007 12:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Deng and Noch
what the hell was wrong with deng the last two plays, he had people open and he doesnt pass the ball. And whats with taking one dribble when it gets you nowhere, you havent moved the d, you havent gotten any closer to the rim...dont try to be this teams superstar man, just play the damn game!!!! ARGHHH>...and heres hoping hinrichs shooting has truly returned, not a hiccup.
by piccolomair on Nov 25, 2007 12:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't surprise me if we again lose by 20
by chgobr on Nov 25, 2007 12:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well then
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 12:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
come back home without him
One can always hope.
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see how many times Noc chucks
by philosoball on Nov 25, 2007 12:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
la terminal au du nord, monsieur Skiles
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 12:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
monsieur
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dunno. me neither.
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 12:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everytime I see that word
Funny how stuff gets attached to brain cells for life...
:-)
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 12:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they speak French in Toronto
by Big D on Nov 25, 2007 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
my ssiter lived in toronto
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 12:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
2nd half begins
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 12:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Keep playing
by sue369 on Nov 25, 2007 12:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is noting like the
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 12:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
tyrus = low post scorer
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 12:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is it me
You don't even hear his name much during the game anymore...
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 12:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
no, that's the case
by Freethefro on Nov 25, 2007 12:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 12:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
bulls are, for the most part,
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 12:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
deng
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 12:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i'm shocked that nobody
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 12:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Calderon
Can we get him for Duhon and Khryapa??
by Azabullsfan on Nov 25, 2007 12:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think you'd really have to give up quality
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that has possibilities.
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 12:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it me?
by bullshooter on Nov 25, 2007 12:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's not you.
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
6 points down
by Option27 on Nov 25, 2007 12:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Early in 3rd
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 12:50 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Andres Nocioni should not shoot
by Freethefro on Nov 25, 2007 12:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
so
by Sambossanova on Nov 25, 2007 12:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
who besides Hinrich (surprise)
by bullshooter on Nov 25, 2007 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
is hinrich
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
he was 6-10
by bullshooter on Nov 25, 2007 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
smith and thomas
Gordon's shooting like crap again. :(
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls
by Option27 on Nov 25, 2007 12:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how we gona finish today
Actually it is hard to play worse then yesterday.
by Azabullsfan on Nov 25, 2007 12:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
we should push Raptors
by Azabullsfan on Nov 25, 2007 12:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
nice of Noc and Delfino
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 12:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thabo does ok
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 12:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Can we take
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 1:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
beacuse they're all
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 1:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Worst 4th quarter team in the league
It's like they're shooting with two hands around their necks
by Option27 on Nov 25, 2007 1:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
they're no good at the first 3 quarters
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If you watch them in warmups
by Freethefro on Nov 25, 2007 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone was at the game yesterday
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer to think of him as Tyrus Thomas
by Freethefro on Nov 25, 2007 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side . . .
by Big D on Nov 25, 2007 1:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And right after I write that . . .
by Big D on Nov 25, 2007 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
10 pt. lead for TOR with 3:00 to go
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 1:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
OVER and OUT
by Option27 on Nov 25, 2007 1:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
plant something on Skiles
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ce qui est ceci, monsieur skiles?
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How is Toronto's pick and role
by bullshooter on Nov 25, 2007 1:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Because Toronto is a real team
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 1:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well it's almost better
Skiles is a good coach but clearly not so special he's unfireable. And teams this bad fire their coach. At least get a patsy in to play Tyrus in the 4th. Or Noah at all.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 1:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
it's getting close to that
by bullshooter on Nov 25, 2007 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What upsets me
Wallace hustled Paxson. And Paxson, in the meanwhile, has squandered whatever credibility he bought with the selections of Gordon, Deng and Hinrich.
by Freethefro on Nov 25, 2007 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Too many
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 1:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
missed FTs??
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 1:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like Ben Gordon will never have a
by philosoball on Nov 25, 2007 1:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
at this rate
by bullshooter on Nov 25, 2007 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A Gordon who can't shoot
by philosoball on Nov 25, 2007 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus DOES tend to take his time
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 1:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
uh, is that when he's sitting
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He played at the end
by Bluelou on Nov 25, 2007 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Now they're playing poorly
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 1:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The trend is clear
by bullshooter on Nov 25, 2007 1:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's what it is.
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
bad teams
by bullshooter on Nov 25, 2007 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The UC is going to be like a morgue on Tuesday
by Big D on Nov 25, 2007 1:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I may start one from the outset.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No "Kobe" chant, Matt!
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 1:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"Fire Skiles!" is not good
by Azabullsfan on Nov 25, 2007 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I checked and
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying that
Fi-re Scott!Bum,Bum,Bum!
Fi-re Scott!Bum,Bum,Bum!
by Azabullsfan on Nov 25, 2007 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHA
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe Pax lets Skiles
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 1:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think if you're hoping for changes to be made,
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they. can't. score. points.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 1:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by bullshooter on Nov 25, 2007 1:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I doubt the Bulls
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What is that
by bullshooter on Nov 25, 2007 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He has...
by Kemp on Nov 25, 2007 5:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Who would have thought
by Option27 on Nov 25, 2007 1:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The new Bulls season starts
by goldengod on Nov 25, 2007 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievable
by Big D on Nov 25, 2007 1:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Evil thy name is....
by piccolomair on Nov 25, 2007 1:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Looking for positives here
by philosoball on Nov 25, 2007 1:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No!!!
by Orange Juice on Nov 25, 2007 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
je ne sais pas
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 1:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
oui oui, je m'appelle alec et je suis stupide
contrary to the subject heading, i agree with you. we're fine, we'll make the playoffs, we'll turn it around but it's getting awfully close to that turning around time and i have to admit i'm getting a little nervous!
by Orange Juice on Nov 25, 2007 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The 1st Q
It was much better game than the final score would indicate.
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 1:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
you guys are all nuts
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am kinda nuts, and can't speak for the rest,
a) few retarded TOs in the half court
b) forced tempo (especially in 1st half) leading to easier transition baskets
c) less dumb fouls
d) and pretty good ball movement throughout the game (no 24sec buzzer beaters or TOs).
In prior games, the commentators "They're getting good shots" seemed a crazy observation to me, but this time I think they really did. Except for the first half of the 4th, when they were happy with chucking 20fters too quickly ('cause they weren't that open) in transition. That killed them, along with missed FTs (all game long, and not Wallace) and poor perimeter and pick/roll defense in the 4th Q.
Of course, games this past week have set the expectations bar low.
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if we're all nuts ...
by Orange Juice on Nov 25, 2007 2:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Give Thomas 15 of Nocioni's minutes
But moreover, the Bulls need to manage the break better. They seem to only even consider putting themselves in good positions to score when they set up their half-court offense after an opponent basket. Yet, when they actually play superior defense, grabbing rebounds, steals, et cetera, they rush down the court and throw up the first shot they see.
A play by Gordon in the fourth, when the score was still quite close, typified this malady: the Bulls were playing excellent defense for a sustained stretch, and once again created a turnover; nevertheless - despite the fact that the Bulls themselves were equally struggling to score - Gordon received the ball, raced to around the free-throw stripe, and pulled up for a jump-shot without even attempting to proceed to closer to the basket. He had a couple of defenders coming to meet him, but they had bad angles and were more likely to foul him than accept a charge; instead, the defenders trailing Gordon had excellent angles to the long rebound from his ostensibly-inevitable brick.
by jpx7 on Nov 25, 2007 1:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's hard for
by sue369 on Nov 25, 2007 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say that 20 games is a good indicator
So really, why not just fire Skiles now, get in an assistant to at least play different rotations and give them a new guy to yell at them, and then between now and February there's plenty of deals to potentially make.
This franchise is still in a good position with a lot of young talent. Lets not waste it letting Skiles 'figure things out'.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 1:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What qualities do you look for in Skiles'
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 2:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
eh
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Today on ESPN 1000
May we can try him,just to see what different
person(other then Skiles) can bring to this team.
I don't think that things can go any worse then this.
by Azabullsfan on Nov 25, 2007 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
and...
by theundergroundman on Nov 25, 2007 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This team always has a bad record at the
by philosoball on Nov 25, 2007 1:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
just because they've had bad records before
And what's 'turning it around'? They'll play better and get to 44 wins and have Skiles blow at least one playoff game?
They should be able to beat teams when not completely healthy, and (god forbid) win road games too.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your general points,
by philosoball on Nov 25, 2007 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
getting back to how they have been
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Home games
by goldengod on Nov 25, 2007 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There was no reason for a bad start this year
by Big D on Nov 25, 2007 2:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 2:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
for example, today Noah
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bulls plan has been character over
by philosoball on Nov 25, 2007 2:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
IF "nature" of the team
by Azabullsfan on Nov 25, 2007 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it may be more accurate
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 2:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Noah is a
The problem is can they win with a small lineup (Kirk, BG, Deng, Noc, and BBen) in 4th quarters? Good character and hustle can only help, right?
I'm actually not ready to dump Skiles, partly 'cause his replacement might be worse. But I don't know all the coaches. Iavaroni or Adelman maybe could've worked...
by marionette on Nov 25, 2007 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps I am a simpleton, but I
The basic problem, as someone stated above, is that the Bull can't score. In large part, that lack of scoring is due to poor shooting (and poor play in general) by the guards. I'm not sure how a new coach can stop Ben Gordon from shooting 4-17 and 7-18 in consecutive games? Unless you truly believe that the Bulls, consciously or unconsciously, are rebelling against Skiles by playing poorly, a new coach isn't going to alleviate the fundamental issue.
(BTW, if, in fact, the Bulls' players are rebelling by playing poorly, they are collectively either foolhardy or obstinate. They are only hurting themselves in the long run.)
by 1958ChiTown on Nov 25, 2007 2:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No, obviously you're not a simpleton,
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
right
Skiles' replacement won't make the Bulls shoot better, but Skiles won't either. So really what's the difference.
I'm more just wanting to make a statement that this hasn't worked, and lets try something different. Doesn't always mean better, but it's looking like Skiles is a good coach but ultimately replaceable.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 25, 2007 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
eggsactly
by hscs on Nov 25, 2007 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just want a new offensive philosophy.
But with clankiness, bum ankles/old-age and bench warming (for whatever reason), the philosophy completely sucks.
While I assume no one is ready for a full-scale rebuilding effort, I wouldn't mind it if it began with the young frontcourt and a new coach. If the backcourt can't get its act together over the next 20 games, I think we might have to concede that their potential isn't as high as last year led us to believe.
Do experience, uninjured, young, progressing players underperform horribly for half of a season?
by tyger1147 on Nov 25, 2007 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Skiles has always failed to get through to the mor
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 2:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Skilo-Pax methods:
BG - from .455 to .360
Thabo .426 to .288
Kirk .448 to .333
Duh .408 to .333
Deng .517 to .455
TT .475 to .413
BW .453 to .379
Even Khryapa was doing well before - .462 in Portland versus .368 under Skiles watch. If you are young and talented stay away from Chicago. TT, Noah, Gardener or Khryapa can become solid NBA players but
they need to relocate asap.
by runio on Nov 25, 2007 4:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
today was a perfect
Compare how Hinrich gets the ball to people to the way Calderon consistantly got the ball where his team mates wanted it and could do something with it. Hinrich is playing out of position as a point guard. But move him to the two, and he's just another in our group of too-short players already there.
As long as Hinrich is playing the point, nothing will run smoothly for this team.
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 5:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
sort of like that last post...
by alec on Nov 25, 2007 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Horrific
by jai on Nov 25, 2007 7:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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