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Kobe, so long for now. Keep in touch?

Pax says the trade talk is over for now. It's certainly nice that the season can begin.

But this past week has taught us some things about how Pax views his team. Clearly he did pursue Kobe Bryant, so to say he's content with this squad isn't accurate, and shouldn't be. While I have high hopes for them this season, they're not at a championship caliber yet, so there's no reason not to explore options that get you to that place. And I believe that adding Bryant as a supplement to what we have is a great way to do that.

But it's harder than Jay Mariotti thinks (as is a can opener, I'd imagine). Pax has said that despite reports, there's no untouchable on this team. Just because Luol Deng was reportedly off the table on most trade offers doesn't mean he thinks Luol is of equal value as a player to Kobe. It's because since the Bulls have no giant cap-filler contracts, any deal including Luol by definition has more value tied into it. Whether that means Thomas, Noah, or Thabo, combining those prospects, filler, and Luol Deng is too much value. That's not the same as saying Deng is untouchable.

The most clear evidence that he (and Ben Gordon) aren't safe is the lack of a contract extension.  I speculated a few days ago that the Kobe rumors would possibly be used as leverage to get Gordon and Deng to sign what the Bulls had offered, and according to Gordon the Bulls didn't budge off that offer. And unless it was for that discounted rate, it's a benefit to keep them unsigned into restricted free agency. Signing now tremendously hampers what the Bulls can do in offering them for Bryant, and the sign/trade possibilities become much more viable when they're at restricted free agency.

But the biggest benefit is that the organization gets yet another year of evaluation. I tried to emphasize after opening night that one game means nothing. However, 20 games could. And while I can see some indications of possible improvements from the team, we'll know a lot more through the season if anything's different than in years past. More information means a better decision, either that they're both definite keepers on a championship-contending core, or trade bait.

And if being the subject of trade rumors really bothers them that much, then they should've taken the contract extension. Not only to be less tradeable for a couple years, but because if they're really that vulnerable (and I doubt they are, so don't shed a tear for their 'distractions'), it isn't very encouraging. I don't think it was quite necessary for Pax to stop trade talks just to make Deng and Gordon (and the whole team for that matter, since they've all been mentioned) feel better.

The likely real reason Pax cut off the talks for now is the more practical one: no deal to be made. However, in December when free agent signings become tradeable, you can add Nocioni, Joe Smith, or dozens of other players from other teams in multi-team scenarios. The options are then reassessed and Pax has even more evidence to trade for Bryant, or not.

There's no need to trade for Bryant only to need another move afterwards. This team is not only close, it'll be that way for several years to come. So they're one move away for that whole duration, until they make the move. So if it's this big, it better be good. A quality trade for Bryant now doesn't seem possible due to their team salary structure. But as we head into December, the trade deadline, and next offseason, it may be. And the rumors will keep flowing.

And if the thought of more rumor avalanches didn't make you feel bad enough, enjoy this nightmare fuel.

Last second update: If the real reason is that they don't want to pay the tax, EVER...then that's not cool.

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I'll repeat my reaction from the other thread
I don't see how this team avoids the tax if they're going to be any good.

I also won't completely believe it. Maybe that's just to make me feel better.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2007 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

See San Antonio
I don't believe they're paying any luxury tax, and they make moves to make sure they don't (Scola trade to Houston, for example).

But the other thing is to remember, if you get to luxury tax land, and you aren't a championship team, you limit the moves you can make.  

by KT on Nov 1, 2007 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bulls are built differently
Spurs can skimp a bit on the role players because they have Tim Duncan. If the Bulls want to win with a half-dozen quality players (or however you want to phrase it), it'll cost.

Also, the Spurs wouldn't have paid Nocioni that much money. They got Noc-lite, Matt Bonner!

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2007 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matt is right
SA has TD.  A solid dominate post presence who happens to be the best player in the NBA is hard to come by.  Missing that one piece makes building a roster infinitely more difficult.

Regarding the Tax.  Jerry has made his money and then some off this team.  Fans showed up when this team sucked.  The team is at a point now where they are in position to make trades for players to put them in title contention year and out.  With the up coming contracts of Deng/Gordon then TT/Noah its going to hard to not pay the tax.  Thats to stay even to where they are now as a good but not great team.  This is the same team that handed out big contracts to Chandler, Wallace and Noc.  It pisses me off to think that part of the reason we may have not got deals done for KG or Gasol is because the owner wants his gravy train to continue.  It pisses me off that Pax is willing to sacrifice cap room for Noc then balk when it comes time to get a major player.  You can't have it both ways.  

"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Nov 2, 2007 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't buy it.
I don't think it's over I just think he's stepping back to calm his players and the media down. Or a poker move. The thing is I don't see how they keep Kobe much longer. This is strange.

Matt Duhon played well. He also defended VC fairly well at points. Better than Deng. How do you let a lob pass fly over your head like that? See man and ball, man and ball. Luol needs to step up and play better on the road. Bulls can't depend on BG every night. Duhon was a 2nd round pick give him a break.

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 11:10 PM CDT reply actions  

you're going to be surprised
how well duhon plays this year, it's a contract year.  I just hope he doesn't get his minutes because Hinrich is constantly in foul trouble.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 1, 2007 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd still rather see progress
meaning a player with better potential (Thabo) taking that spot. Plus even when he's average Thabo's strengths complement Kirk and Ben better as the 3rd guard anyway.

I'm all for Duhon having a great year. He becomes more than an expiring contract that way :)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2007 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thabo as a 3rd guard
is actually a pretty decent small forward.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 1, 2007 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dude when Sefo's not shooting silly string at me
he's throwing the ball to other teams. I'm sorry that guys a tool. I would trade hit ass for someone on Phx if it was true the Suns want him. I Euros they all think there shit don't stink.
''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's over until Dec 15th
When Nocioni becomes available in a trade.....so why not squash the issues now and get this team to play.  If we are playing fantastic, no trade'll be done, otherwise I expect talks to start again.

by majoyenrac on Nov 2, 2007 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

From now on
Duhon shall be known as "Matt Duhon" in recognition of the high esteem in which Du is held around here.
Time Warner Cable: The Place to Be, if you want to see no preseason games even after paying for League Pass.

by preverbal on Nov 2, 2007 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I second
All in favor say, "Aye."
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 2, 2007 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I also LOL
at the sight of JoeJoe's missing comma there! Just one of the many reasons I can't stay away...

by marionette on Nov 2, 2007 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope they kill the 76ers!
Memo to Skiles and maybe the play broke down but put Joe Smith in for Wallace and have him set a pick and roll for BG and once the double comes dump it down to Smith and watch him hit the 15 footer. Why was Wallace in on the last play? Very unSkiles like.
''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 11:27 PM CDT reply actions  

I was going to post Skiles and
his Duhon love earlier, but figured you'd get around to it.  Every time I start to cut Skiles some slack, he says something like this.  

by Scotter on Nov 1, 2007 11:34 PM CDT reply actions  

This puzzles me...
When asked where the Lakers stood now that his former player, now current GM of the Bulls, John Paxson has stated that the Bulls are out of the race for Kobe's services, Jackson responded, "Maybe having our cake and eating it too."

Who the cake is is up for debate, but Jackson reiterated owner Dr. Jerry Buss' statements that the team doesn't want to trade Kobe, but is willing to listen to whatever offers come their way.

http://my.lakers.com/blogs/2007/11/01/practice-wrap-up-thursday-110107/

''This whole parties out of control!''-Moose

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 1, 2007 11:42 PM CDT reply actions  

oh, and Sam did add this about the extensions
So predictable sometimes:

And, by the way, what's with Deng and Ben Gordon turning down $10-million-a-year extensions? Players always say they learn the NBA really is a business. Well, business is risk and reward. Both players believe they are worth more. Fine. That's how the system works. But they'll be restricted free agents after next season, and there's little doubt the Bulls will match any offer. Knowing that, few teams go after restricted free agents with big money anymore. Plus a team has to be under the salary cap to make an offer, and only the likes of Charlotte, the Clippers, Seattle, Minnesota and Philadelphia may be under the cap in upcoming seasons. Do they really want to start over on bad teams?

If he's at the Bucks/Bulls game Saturday, I'm going to ask him if he's cranky a lot lately.

by KT on Nov 1, 2007 11:48 PM CDT reply actions  

well
at least he didn't ask if they lost perspective of 'where they came from' in turning down the money.

His reasoning about the realities of restricted free  agency are valid.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 1, 2007 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep
which is why I don't really worry about losing Deng and Gordon next year because someone offers either one of them the max.

by KT on Nov 1, 2007 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's the largest cap room out there?
And the biggest overall contract they could sign?
"You don't hesitate with Michael, or you'll end up on some poster in a gift shop someplace." -Felton Spencer, on Michael Jordan

by cubbybear on Nov 2, 2007 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Deng
is going to get the max. He is only 22 and is a solid 16/8 guy right now.

by LD9 on Nov 2, 2007 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

i've said it before
and I'll say it again...

Deng will get matched Gordon will not.

Gordon thinks he's the best player on the team ans will not settle for a contract similar to the inferior player who shares the backcourt with him.

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 2, 2007 1:52 AM CDT reply actions  

oh
and Noah is worthless.  I put him up there with Jeff Sanders.

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 2, 2007 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Giving up on Noah already?
Little early to hate on him.  He hasn't even played a game yet. Take it easy chicken little.

by haze on Nov 2, 2007 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Intelligent
and well thought-out point, sir.  I'm really pining for Spencer Hawes right now.

by Petor on Nov 2, 2007 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're wrong
Deng won't get matched because he'll won't actually sign with anyone for the bulls to match, he'll deal directly with the bulls when it comes to actually signing a contract.  If you think Gordon is walking away for free... you're dumber than Isiah Thomas.  And hating on Noah, was there even a real point to that?  Aside from proving you know nothing about basketball?

by peterbredenberg on Nov 2, 2007 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know nothing
because I think Noah sucks?  No, my friend you now nothing for thinking anything has been decided.  If you want to wait three years then show me what a player Noah is, the all star, then you can say I was wrong.  But right now, he has proven nothing, so I can't be wrong YET.

And about Deng, fine.  Let me restate:  Deng will be resigned.  Either a match or just getting the deal done.  Gordon will be traded or will walk.  The Bulls will not give him the money he wants and someone else will.  The Bulls will not match.

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 2, 2007 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know nothing
because you think Noah sucks... yes.  I didn't say he was an all-star, that was you putting words in my mouth.  But to say the guy sucks???  Really??? You're clearly wrong and/or never watched college basketball in the last two years where he was the best player on a back-to-back championship team.  I mean the guy handles the ball like a sf, passes like a pg, can defend, and plays hard all the time... he's not anywhere near refined yet, and I can only hope he'll ever be an all-star quality guy.  But sucks?  Really?   By the way, can you spell Hinrich yet?

by peterbredenberg on Nov 2, 2007 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Chad, I think
peter is mistaking you for me, and is taking the opportunity to make light of my admitted learning disability.  The guy's all class, eh?

by alec on Nov 2, 2007 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Noah
Chad, what's your problem? Do you have a Man Crush on Noah and because he's ignoring you, you're trying to character assassinate him with your stupid postings.
You must be one of those knuckle head college kids who're so jealous of this charismatic young player that you can't help yourself jumping from one blog to the next trying to tear him down. Go check out my last post to your foolishly uninformed comments about Noah. There should be a rule that prevents morons like you posting on blogs. Do you look as stupid as your posts? I think so, douche bag.

by SlamDunk on Nov 3, 2007 3:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

sorry brah...
the NBA is no place for Noah.  Just fanboys like you who see his hustle and hear and think he's gonna be a real NBA playah.  Not going to happen.  I like real basketball players.

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 3, 2007 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

See the video
of the press conference at http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/.

It puts a lot of things in a context that the news articles don't.  And KCs was the only articlet that said the bulls would never pay the luxury tax.

by KT on Nov 2, 2007 6:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Whats our cap situation next year?
Duhon, deng, and gordon all are up after this year.  anybody else?  
I think we would be over the luxury tax if we resign both deng and gordon. But only for the last 2 years of big bens contract.  Unless he backloads the contracts but that hasnt been his M.O. so far.

by haze on Nov 2, 2007 8:14 AM CDT reply actions  

He can backload
because he front loaded Kirk, Noce and Ben Wallace.  They'll all be making less as each year goes by, and the salary cap has gone up the past few years,  so as those contracts go down, and the cap ceiling rises, there's more money available.

Kobe's max salary would be 27 mill, no one on the current Bulls can even come close to that kind of Max salary under the rules.

by KT on Nov 2, 2007 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Google is your friend
salary information  The Bulls can easily sign Gordon and Deng next year and not be over the luxury tax threshold.  The Bulls will actually be well positioned when DWade and LeBron become free agents in three seasons.  Right now, they only have $19 mil committed to Hinrich, Noc and possibly Noah.  $25 mil more to Deng/Gordon gets them to $44 mil.  Depending on extensions to Tyrus and Thabo (who is not anywhere near an extension right now) the bulls could renounce the extra contracts and offer at least $15 mil/year (assuming the cap goes up like it has been) to DWade or Lebron.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 2, 2007 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice thought.
I would rather have young stars like Wade or Lebron if all possible. And if that means waiting for a while I don't see why that is a problem.  Our guys are young and will be truly hitting there prime just when we could acquire one of them.

by cranscape on Nov 2, 2007 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would be
worth the wait to get either one of those guys.
Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 2, 2007 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Correct me if I"m wrong here...
But LeBron is on his second contract with the Cavs, right?  He will stay a Cav.  Cause correct me if I'm wrong again, but when he comes up as a FA, the Cavs can offer him more money than anyone else, right?

SOOOO....

If I am correct on both things, and tell me if I'm wrong, Bron Bron will be a Cav for many more years.

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 2, 2007 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

He won't want to be a cavalier
for the same reason Kobe doesn't want to be a laker right now: his team sucks.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 2, 2007 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok
But it seems that the Cavs would try to build a winner around him.  A guy like that doesn't need much help.  Just a couple of players that can be counted on as role players and one guy to be a secondary scoring option.  

Sound familiar?

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 2, 2007 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

nope
That's a simplistic and backwards view of many a multi-championship team.

by hscs on Nov 2, 2007 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dunno
seemed to work for the lakers and the spurs.

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 2, 2007 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

heat too

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 2, 2007 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kobe and Wade are about the same.
Giving Kobe an age, you still need someone who can be as dominant as Shaq was for stretches in those playoffs. Who is that?
Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Nov 2, 2007 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

two different things
  1.  when kobe was winning with Shaq, Shaq was the dominant player and Kobe was his pippen.  
  2.  when Shaq won with Miami, he was no longer the Shaq that we all knew.  He was/is a very good player but not near what he was with the Lakers or Magic.  DWade was the man with Shaq as the compliment.
Sooo....

Kobe's Batman just needs a Robin.  I see Deng being that guy.  Those two together would be lethal.  

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 2, 2007 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Deng isn't near what Shaq was that year.
Apparently, for you, everyone is either GREAT or just good. I bet it's easy deciding what to wear every day since everything is in black and white.
Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Nov 2, 2007 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree
i don't expect him to be.  I expect him to BECOME.  I think Deng will blossom into a very good player.  And play at a very high level.  Putting Kobe with Deng has championship written all over it.

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 2, 2007 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

So...
Kobe is as good as Shaq was in his prime? Answer: no, he's not. He's slightly better than he, himself was... but that still leaves ya short. So the Bulls would need someone AT LEAST as good as Kobe. Who is that?

Kobe isn't as good as Duncan nor is Deng as good as Ginobili.

Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Nov 2, 2007 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

differenet postions
but Kobe is every bit as dominating as Duncan.  I can accept the assertion that Duncan is the best player in the league but Kobe is in the conversation.  not to mention that once again a center needs help getting ball.  A guard is more free to control the game.

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 2, 2007 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes he is
81 points is one of the most dominating performances in NBA history.  

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 2, 2007 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes he is
Kobe is as dominant as Duncan, maybe more so.  Duncan's surrounded by 2 very under appreciated stars.  Ginobli is in the mix of the top 3-4 guards in the league, and Parker now gets some recognition, but those two are really good.

Add to them a nice role player or two (which they have a aplenty) and it's easier to make Duncan look more consistent.

Tim D's a great player, but I wouldn't ever say he's hands down better than Kobe (who is a great player with slightly more skills than Tim D and is unfortunately on a weaker all around team)....

I think if Duncan and Kobe switched teams, the Lakers would struggle more (where's the scorers?) and the Spurs would be nearly just as effective.....I couldn't imagine a more dangerous trio than Bryant-Parker-Ginobli......

by majoyenrac on Nov 2, 2007 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

No I read them....
I think PER is a nice indicator of effectiveness, but not the soul indicator.  Duncan does everything well and is a great defender.....he's also helped by the fact that he doesn't need to put up ridiculous stats every night because of the talent he has around him, so that helps him keep his stats strong (and the fact that he has a high bball iq).  Kobe hasn't had that luxury since he's been in his prime, he's constantly had to be the guy to do everything because he has had little support around him (Odom shuold be a nice #2 guy, but the facts are that Lamar isn't and has rarely been completely consistent).

I think if Kobe had 2 other guys as solid as Parker and Ginobli, his stats would be better.....but he still wouldn't have the stats of a Duncan because TD does a lot of little things well (but does not have the peak of Kobe on his best days).

Overall we're arguing basically about 2 guys in the top 10 in the league, so it's hard to find fault either way.  

For our club, I'd rather have Duncan than Bryant--mainly because we have so much depth that having a Duncan-Wallace defensive frontcourt would be stellar......and I think Duncan's more coachable for Skiles than Bryant....but if I was basing a team and could take anyone in the league regardless of salaries, etc. I'd take Kobe before Duncan....

I'd actually probably take D. Wade as my first overall pick even if it's silly cuz he's a Marquette guy like me and is fun to watch and for a guy with his ridiculous gifts is still pretty humble, I just hope he comes back from his knee/shoulder injuries.

by majoyenrac on Nov 2, 2007 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually
if you take a look at the similarity scores for Jordan's first run with the bulls, Kobe's recent seasons score highest to Jordan's, although they are  generally less productive.  So you could argue...
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 2, 2007 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

link
link  
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 2, 2007 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

meh
Sim scores include a lot of "how" (height, usage, percentage of team shots), and don't offer much in terms of impact.

by hscs on Nov 2, 2007 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.
Who is it?
Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Nov 2, 2007 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Lakers
Have tried to build a winner around Kobe.  THe fact is that Bynum could be very good in a few years and they don't want to lose him.

THe main things hampering the Lakers is the horrible Kwame Brown signing.  Had they kept Caron and drafted Bynum, they might be pretty good by this year:

Derek Fisher
Kobe Bryant
Caron Butler
Lamar Odom
Andrew Bynum

With Luke Walton, Jarvis Crittenton, Ronny Turiaf, Jordan Farmar, Chris Mihm, and Vladamir Radmonovic providing a solid bench.

That's a tough team, Fisher is a good PG with strong big moment last shot savviness (I purposely avoided using the word clutch).

Butler, Bryant and Odom would be even better byt his year with Caron's improvement the past 2 seasons.

Bynum has some lapses, so maybe Mihm starts for a bit, but I wouldn't be shocked if this Lakers lineup made a splash out West......

It's too bad they made the awful Brown trade.  Brown's a cancer, who definately hasn't improved them in Caron's absence....

by majoyenrac on Nov 2, 2007 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

LeBron did re-up
with the Cavs, but on a shorter deal.  My reading on that was that he was willing to remain a Cav, but at the same time wanted to put some pressure on them to build a decent team around him quickly.  The problem for LeBron is that now sooner did he sign than the owner got sucked into the mortgage credit quagmire.  So LeBrom may be SOL in Cleveland.

I also think he may have it in the back of his mind to play in New York, but wants to allow a few years for that mess to clear itself up.

by alec on Nov 2, 2007 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

fair nuff

by Chad @ Blog a Bull on Nov 2, 2007 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

also
they took shorter deals because the current CBA is set to expire by then, thinking it's possible that a new CBA will have higher max contracts and raises.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 2, 2007 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't one other player
opt for a shorter contract, also?  Still, my reading on LeBron is that he's one of the few guys that makes more money from endorsements than from his player's contract, and as such, he wants to play in the endorsement capital of the world...just not right now (for obvious reasons).

by alec on Nov 2, 2007 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think
one or two of his endorsement deals have kickers dependent on him playing in a bigger market.

by CrashDavis on Nov 2, 2007 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

wade, melo, and bosh
all followed lebron james and signed 3 year deals

by peterbredenberg on Nov 2, 2007 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

melo
signed a full 6 year (or was it 5) deal

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 2, 2007 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

what about
his endorsements? Doesn't he get huge money from his shoe deal if he moves to a major market?

by ChrisRobin on Nov 2, 2007 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad to see that TT will be the starter tonight.
He needs to play under control and cut down his early fouls.

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 2, 2007 9:39 AM CDT reply actions  

The difference maker.
I think if he and Hinrich can get on the good side of the refs for once our chances of winning a game like against the Nets just about double.  How many times could a TT put back, rebound, or steal have turned things around Tuesday?  It is going be difficult again if the refs are as anal as they were in the last game, but hopefully our players can quickly recognize that and adjust.  I just feel better when Hinrich and TT are out there, not to discount the other players.

by cranscape on Nov 2, 2007 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.
I agree. If Hinrich and Thomas play 20 mins. more total, and Nocioni, Duhon and Thabo play 20 mins. less total, the Bulls win easy.
Yes, of course.

by tyger1147 on Nov 2, 2007 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that
Kirk need to recognize and adjust to how the game is being called. Hopefully he does that.
Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 2, 2007 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

*nods*
I am encouraged by his shooting so far.  It seems like he was getting pretty hot from time to time Tuesday. That is exactly what we need to see from him, minus the cooling off time on the bench.

by cranscape on Nov 2, 2007 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes his
shooting does look much better.
Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 2, 2007 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Salary Cap thoughts
On the salary cap statement by Pax I think was more smoke and mirrors than a hard and fast rule. Why would you willing state that you are willing to go over the cap with 2 large extensions coming up and possibly trading for Kobe who will want an extension if he ever comes here. That takes alot of negotiating power out of his hands.

by sp1365 on Nov 2, 2007 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

don't forget about
Chris Bosh (if he can stay healthy); although its less likely he walks (because Toronto is actually providing him with help) he did sign the same type of contract...

by peterbredenberg on Nov 2, 2007 9:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Anyone else think
that Pax's comments might irk Bryant and not just the Lakers?

Some of the things he had said seemed kind of directed at Kobe and if Kobe takes it personal, which he could . . . he would balk on a Bulls deal

by Option27 on Nov 2, 2007 10:34 AM CDT reply actions  

That's okay by me
If you sign a long term contract for max money and a no trade clause, you should know you're making it tough for yourself if you end up  hating the situation you're in.

Like Barkley said  last night - you want out, get rid of the  no trade clause, waive the trade kicker, make the whole thing easier to do.

by KT on Nov 2, 2007 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fine by me.
Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 2, 2007 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Moved Diary
Paxsons Smart Decision with the Kobe Trade
By Nocioni4MVP [Edit User]
Posted on Sat Nov 03, 2007 at 10:19:27 AM CDT
 

Paxson stating that they are no longer interested in the Kobe trades is a great move on his part.  First and more importantly, this calms down the locker room with players being worried about getting traded.  Second of all, this also tells the Lakers that they are going to get less than they want if they are going to trade Kobe to Chicago.  With Kobes no trade clause and the fact that he can walk away from the team next will make the Lakers trade him for not as much in return.  Like the KG trade, except for Al Jefferson, the Celtics gave up absolutely no one of any value from their team.  Even though the Bulls are a much deeper team I still think we should get up only and no one else then Ben Gordon as the main package for Kobe.  If the Lakers start to go on a losing steak Kobe will get frustrated and Paxson could work out a trade without worrying our players.  I think we should trade Ben Gordon, Adrian Griffin, Viktor Kryhapa, Mario Austin, Two Draft Picks, and some Cash.  This of course will only work if the Lakers realize the hole they are in and need to rebuild.  I would also add another player if necessary depending on who they are asking for.  I really strongly do not want to give up Deng because I get this Jordan/Pippen to Kobe/Deng imagining in my mind.  I also think Kirk would do a lot better because Kobe would be able to take on all the strong offensive guards while before Kirk would get screwed over because Gordon cant play defense for his life.  Having Kobe would also force double teams which would halp Tyrus, Joe Smith, and maybe even Big Ben get some dunks helping out our inside game.  I think we would be a championship caliber team if our roster looked like this:
PG: Kirk Hinrich   backup: Chris Duhon
SG: Kobe Bryant    backup: Thabo Sefolosha
SF: Luol Deng      backup: Andres Nocioni
PF: Tyrus Thomas   backup: Joe Smith
C: Ben Wallace     backup: Joakim Noah

This trade might not happen in a million years but if we can trade Ben Gordon with a few other decent players and some of our draft picks for Kobe I think we would be a great contender for the east.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 3, 2007 10:24 AM CDT reply actions  

Kobe will stay in LA,
if they play like yesterday.
Interesting what was in Kobes' head when he was watching our bad game against 76-ers,and then they
beat Suns badly.
I know it's only 2 games,but...
We MUST win today!

by Azabullsfan on Nov 3, 2007 3:35 PM CDT reply actions  

bulls
only the bulls

by GoldenThreePeat on Nov 4, 2007 12:45 AM CDT reply actions  

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