I have little use for a team
That starts Adrian Griffin over Tyrus Thomas. And for those who think starting's not a big deal, Thomas has played a total of 21 minutes the past two games.
Skiles is regressing as a coach, and it would be even more evident if his players weren't bailing him out from the criticism by also being terrible. Hinrich is likely the worst starting PG in basketball. Sefolosha has not developed in the least. Those are just the more egregious examples, the rest just aren't any different than last year.
But that doesn't change the fact that Skiles is making things harder on himself, by instead of taking a chance on his 'developmental' players (and if he thinks Tyrus is one, that's ridiculous), he's circling the wagons and trusting his veterans. That's what all coaches do, I guess, but Adrian Griffin should just be collecting his undeserved player-coach contract at this point, not starting. And at this rate, Joe Smith will be on the inactive list by January.
Good teams don't get blown out by 30+ points twice in a week. And unlike last season, there aren't a glut of gimme games coming up in the schedule. This start is a missed opportunity, and even if Skiles' plan is to have them playing their best basketball for the playoffs, I hope he enjoys starting that first playoff game on the road.
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But didn't Bill Simmons say...
I don't see why you can't understand this, Matt. It's so OBVIOUS if you just WATCH.
by tyger1147 on
Nov 19, 2007 8:30 AM CST
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I know you're being sarcastic
Usually the cliche is used to mean energy=rebounding, which is something that can be tracked.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2007 11:26 AM CST
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mid-season replacement
by hscs on
Nov 19, 2007 8:33 AM CST
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Do you really think that Paxson would replace
I just can't see that happening. JMO.
by 1958ChiTown on
Nov 19, 2007 11:43 AM CST
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I don't see it happening either
by hscs on
Nov 19, 2007 11:48 AM CST
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As with Riley's wisecrack,
Hinrich is not only the starting point guard but also the engine of the offense. When he's off in outer space like he has been this season, the team is going to suffer.
Sure, the Bulls as a group shot horribly and look inept on offense, but it starts with Kirk. On those four possessions in the middle of the third quarter when the Lakers turned a tied game into a 12-point lead, Kirk was in. He was bringing the ball up. He was making bad decisions, missing shots and turning the ball over.
It's easy to blame Skiles, but he's not the one missing all of those shots and making bad decisions.
by bullhockey on
Nov 19, 2007 8:57 AM CST
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Skiles is making plenty of bad decisions
by hscs on
Nov 19, 2007 9:06 AM CST
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"garbage/embarrassment time"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2007 11:03 AM CST
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Guys looked tired
by bullshooter on
Nov 19, 2007 8:58 AM CST
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Fatigue is a perplexing issue
I mean, you could argue that the Bulls' post seasons have taken their toll, but then what about the Lakers? What about the mileage on Kobe Bryant's legs?
When Skiles first took over for Cartwright the Bulls were getting run out of the gym, and I distinctly remember him saying something like, "No offense to previous coaches, but I didn't get a chance to run this team through the proper conditioning during training camp."
Well, this team bears the stamps of Paxson and Skiles and no one else, so it's not an excuse anymore. And yet there they are, with players like Derek Fisher and Lamar Odom whizzing by them like they were going in reverse.
by bullhockey on
Nov 19, 2007 9:19 AM CST
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no matter how bad the bulls are playing...
minutes and skiles' ludicrous "rotation" have always been a problem and continue to be this year, and any coach that thinks that solving the early season problems should be to give griffin and gardner more playing time, less PT for tyrus and noah, and giving free reign to nocioni to do what he loves most (play out of control and jack up shots whenever he wants) is a coach who doesnt belong in the league. i've always thought that skiles is a good coach for a young, developing team and a poor coach for a veteran team (re: kidd's unspeakable hatred for him), and this year is proving that. could it be possible that these players-- who arent so young anymore-- have grown tired of skiles' surly demeanor and inexplicable substitution patterns and have just tuned him out and are going through the motions? sure looks that way to me. i realize that there's a plethora of history saying that midseason coaching changes rarely work, but in this case i think it's warranted to salvage this season and the future. give him the rest of the circus trip to try to turn it around and if they come home 3-9, can his ass.
by Mike C on
Nov 19, 2007 9:34 AM CST
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Bulls are still a very young team
by bullshooter on
Nov 19, 2007 10:08 AM CST
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well tyrus thabo and noah
by Mike C on
Nov 19, 2007 11:18 AM CST
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Pfft...
Face reality: they're a young jumpshooting team that leans heavily on an old, undersized (overpaid) center for defense. Teams like that don't win championships.
by withmalice on
Nov 19, 2007 5:34 PM CST
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Duhon's expected to deliever?????!!!!!
by GranvilleWaiters on
Nov 20, 2007 12:24 AM CST
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whoops. Spelling error > Deliver
by GranvilleWaiters on
Nov 20, 2007 12:25 AM CST
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Memo to Kirk:
I didn't stay up for the second half but watched some of it at the fitness center this morning. Why the hell didn't TT play more? I don't understand this at all.
by sue369 on
Nov 19, 2007 9:36 AM CST
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Way to go Sue!
by Freethefro on
Nov 19, 2007 11:07 AM CST
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Thank You
by tyrus4prez on
Nov 19, 2007 11:26 AM CST
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duhon
by Sambossanova on
Nov 19, 2007 3:06 PM CST
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The scary thing is
by alec on
Nov 19, 2007 3:12 PM CST
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Sorry, but Duhon makes A LOT of dumb decisions!
by GranvilleWaiters on
Nov 20, 2007 12:22 AM CST
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What the hell I have been saying that
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on
Nov 19, 2007 11:49 AM CST
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take that as a measure
by bullshooter on
Nov 19, 2007 11:58 AM CST
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Sue is mad as hell...
by mdmnd9294 on
Nov 19, 2007 1:19 PM CST
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Gosh, I remember
by alec on
Nov 19, 2007 9:46 AM CST
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obviously
by hscs on
Nov 19, 2007 9:59 AM CST
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Ah, yes, you in particular,
by alec on
Nov 19, 2007 10:15 AM CST
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alecreality.blogspot.com
by hscs on
Nov 19, 2007 10:30 AM CST
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yes, gloating about 'being right'
(and I won't get into the problem with any 'correctness' of 'predictions' based on nothing)
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2007 10:44 AM CST
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Are you two
by alec on
Nov 19, 2007 10:45 AM CST
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Let's see...
by BenGo07 on
Nov 19, 2007 10:50 AM CST
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according to the rules
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2007 10:53 AM CST
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oh yeah
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2007 10:58 AM CST
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Ease up man...
by CatBrains on
Nov 19, 2007 11:18 AM CST
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don't know whether to laugh or cry.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2007 11:29 AM CST
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Please, please, please
by alec on
Nov 19, 2007 11:39 AM CST
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Wow, you predicted Skiles sucks
by danger mouse on
Nov 19, 2007 11:46 AM CST
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May I take this
by alec on
Nov 19, 2007 11:37 AM CST
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You aren't
by alec on
Nov 19, 2007 3:02 PM CST
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It could make sense.
- The Bulls tried to go small. The Bulls settled, and Heinrich was terrible. For a team to go small they need to be a) fast and b) have a leader, solid point guard.
- Not having Deng and Thomas reduced our rebounding.
- Wallace was INeffective against Bynum. REALLY ineffective. And that would make sense because Wallace is 6-7 and Bynum is 7-1. This burns the most because Wallace was in there for defense, and he couldn't get the job done. A switch should have been made to put Thomas on Bynum. Or Gray, someone with size. Wallace is not getting the job done. I'm sick of wallace.
- Perimeter defense was lax. The Lakers bench is not good, but they are good enough to shoot if they are open.
I'm rooting for the Nuggets to teach the bulls a lesson.
by chicago-homesick-blues on
Nov 19, 2007 9:56 AM CST
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I just had to see it to believe it
Quite the difference in nights. You could say night and day.
Last night, the Bulls were lifeless. I was tellin' a friend of mine at the game, it was probably the worst basketball I have ever seen played at a game I was at.
No offense to the Lakers, but the Bulls did it to themselves last night. I really couldn't figure out why Tyrus wasn't playing at all pretty much.
I was dumbfounded when I saw Adrian go out for the opening tip. I was just looking around asking people why Tyrus or Noah wasn't in there instead with Noc moving to the 3. Shit, I would have taken Joe Smith as well.
Like most of us, I was a huge Skiles fan. Those days seem like fond memories now. I can't take his tactics anymore. Like hscs wrote near the top of this post, having Gardner and Griffin in the game at the same time had me almost puking into my $8.25 Bud Light.
It was really funny how much disinterest Kobe seemed to have at the beginning of the game, when the Bulls were still in the game even whilst playing miserably. Once the second half started, you could just see how fast he turned it on and the game got outta hand for Chicago. All with a flip of a switch.
I seriously can't take the rotation anymore at all. Why draft Noah at all? Wasn't he supposed to be that "help right away" kind of player? You're not helping his confidence by sitting him for 3 straight games while he's watching his team getting their butts whipped. And even though the guy was 0 for 7 on his field goal attempts coming into the games, he does a lot more than shoot. He changes tempo and gives the team instant energy. WHY NOT PUT HIM IN?!
There are somethings that Skiles can't control obviously, like Kirk's shooting woes. But he can really put an effort to changing games in the Bulls favor instead of adjusting to the other teams' strategies. Guys like Noah and Thomas do that for a team. When you start Griffin to guard Kobe, you're clearly playing into the hands of the Lakers right off the bat.
by Option27 on
Nov 19, 2007 10:13 AM CST
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"Why draft Noah at all?"
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2007 10:16 AM CST
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I think there must be
by alec on
Nov 19, 2007 10:23 AM CST
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Kind of like "The Aldridge Theory"
by Option27 on
Nov 19, 2007 10:26 AM CST
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Right.
by alec on
Nov 19, 2007 10:38 AM CST
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But Big Ben is upset
Did you know he's getting ~$30,400.00 dollars per rebound?
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Nov 19, 2007 11:20 AM CST
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So he's tried the mixed up lineups,
Get the younger guys some time to play when the game's not already out of hand. And if Kirk needs to shoot himself out of this horrendous slump, why not leave him out there to do it with the game getting out of hand? And why bother "saving" Noc and his fouls when the game is spiraling out of control? I hate that I'm so irritable over this that I'm still grouchy the next morning!
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Nov 19, 2007 10:24 AM CST
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For the life
Another thing I don't understand is how a team can look so with it one night and the next night they look like a tom cat after he snuck out of the house and spent the night out. Is that on the coach?
by sue369 on
Nov 19, 2007 1:22 PM CST
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This is great
Does anyone ever ask the follow-up question: why?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2007 10:32 AM CST
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Matt, I'm pretty sure Skiles actually
by alec on
Nov 19, 2007 10:42 AM CST
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Hanley makes it even more interesting
by bullshooter on
Nov 19, 2007 10:45 AM CST
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about asking
by Sambossanova on
Nov 19, 2007 3:13 PM CST
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taken a dump in Skiles favorite seat
By reading all the posts, I think it's safe to say that most everyone here agrees that Skiles has lost it.
And WHATEVER Thomas did or didn't do, it's NOT a good idea to have him on the bench just because Skiles doesn't like him or he's pissed at him.
Nor are these ridiculous lineups helping anyting.
And the bitch list goes on and on....
The unfortunate part, is that Skiles IS the coach, and although he might have some momentary flashes of coaching brilliance, he will remain coaching according to what he usually is and does.
And that would seem to indicate that this season and the Bulls in general are lost unless / until Skiles is gone.
Which is why it's so hard to be optimistic.
by Bluelou on
Nov 19, 2007 10:41 AM CST
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Fingers crossed
by Option27 on
Nov 19, 2007 10:57 AM CST
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hasn't stopped him so far
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2007 10:59 AM CST
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defense
How can the Bulls expect to compete in a game while playing Gardner, Griffin, and Wallace?
by chicago-homesick-blues on
Nov 19, 2007 11:24 AM CST
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Just call him Calamine
Caution: may cause drowsiness, dizziness or bouts of depression or frustration in Bulls fans. May cause laughing fits, hysteria or increased sense of self-worth in Bulls opponents.
by bullhockey on
Nov 19, 2007 12:00 PM CST
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I can almost understand
Skiles has lost it and this team.
by upther on
Nov 19, 2007 10:53 AM CST
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Seems to me
and Thomas for...h-mmm...I don't know.
May be we need help of psycho doktor,and Scott may
talk to him about his deep complexses...
by Azabullsfan on
Nov 19, 2007 11:00 AM CST
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nah
by chicago-homesick-blues on
Nov 19, 2007 11:28 AM CST
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maybe it's for the best
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2007 11:30 AM CST
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OK
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Nov 19, 2007 11:30 AM CST
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Noah
As for Noah, what exactly is he going to help us with? I haven't seen him do anything that would suggest he is ready to play anything more than scrub minutes on either side of the floor. The guy has played only a couple of games and thats after recovering from injury. You can't expect him to be an integral part of changing the momentum. I hope he is a good player in the future, and that he won't become the next Adam Morrison.
by Sambossanova on
Nov 19, 2007 3:17 PM CST
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helps with rebounding
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Nov 19, 2007 3:28 PM CST
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Height and long arms
I'd be looking for spots to get Noah minutes. He should get in for close to 10 per night. He can't get in the game though when the Bulls are trailing by more than 10.
by NBA Observer on
Nov 19, 2007 3:40 PM CST
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Wow. Noah compared to Morrison.
by marionette on
Nov 19, 2007 3:53 PM CST
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I thought Tyrus was injured
Then I remembered we're coached by Scott Skiles. Sure, Chicago shot poorly again last night, but then Skiles went to the three guard lineup again. This lineup sucks. We gave up buckets, scored none, and gave the game away in the crucial third quarter.
To add insult to injury, Kobe never got off on the night. He finished with 18 lackluster points. He did score in the third just before heading to the bench for his standard rest.
The Skiles player rotation is just a complete mind f*&k right now. It's all over the map. Somebody has to try and get through to Skiles right now. Maybe we need to criticize him in Italian.
by NBA Observer on
Nov 19, 2007 11:18 AM CST
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Time for Pax . . .
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Nov 19, 2007 11:41 AM CST
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I think Pax
It doesn't seem to be in his nature anyways
by Option27 on
Nov 19, 2007 12:08 PM CST
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I wouldn't bet on it
And I wouldn't call Pax scared of anything.
by KT on
Nov 19, 2007 12:31 PM CST
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Are you sure you're talking about PAX???
by GranvilleWaiters on
Nov 20, 2007 12:08 AM CST
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I think
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Nov 20, 2007 8:18 AM CST
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Kobe is joking
"I actually thought about purchasing it, decided not to," Bryant said. "I like Oprah's penthouse instead."
I couldn't put a link here,but article is on espn.com
by Azabullsfan on
Nov 19, 2007 11:43 AM CST
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Who cares!
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on
Nov 19, 2007 11:54 AM CST
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Playoffs? PLAYOFFS? PLAYOFFS??? PLAYOFFS?????
by vlad001 on
Nov 19, 2007 11:55 AM CST
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Funny thing is
by RogersPark Kris on
Nov 19, 2007 12:19 PM CST
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end up with a better record then the Lakers
by Bluelou on
Nov 19, 2007 12:42 PM CST
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Actually not that far fetched
Lakers had an unreal start and the Bulls sucked.
Bulls ended up with a better record
by Option27 on
Nov 19, 2007 12:47 PM CST
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who cares either way?
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2007 12:54 PM CST
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The LAkers were hit hard by injuries
Oh, and Kirk Hinrich had a pulse.
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Nov 19, 2007 1:00 PM CST
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Aaaaand...
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Nov 19, 2007 5:44 PM CST
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ahh, what a fine love-fest
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Nov 19, 2007 12:46 PM CST
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I can't remember reading anything by Ian Whittel
Mr. Whittel needs to stop drinking the bong water if he thinks the Bulls recent play is an improvement.
by upther on
Nov 19, 2007 1:13 PM CST
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This Whittel situation is interesting
Is he just a media pipeline for Luol after he covered Lu with the British team?
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Nov 19, 2007 1:15 PM CST
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maybe you should go back and look at the last
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Nov 19, 2007 1:22 PM CST
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Maybe it's just me
I could be wrong or crazy but that doesn't smell like improvment to me.
by upther on
Nov 19, 2007 1:27 PM CST
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what'd they do
by bullshooter on
Nov 19, 2007 1:44 PM CST
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Sounds like the Bears
by NBA Observer on
Nov 19, 2007 1:49 PM CST
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Guess I'm not a glass half full
by upther on
Nov 19, 2007 2:07 PM CST
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Bulls
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Nov 19, 2007 1:26 PM CST
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These last couple games have been bad...
Skiles is pissing me off not playing TT enough and I think Noah should see the floor more also.
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Nov 19, 2007 1:32 PM CST
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Wait a second!
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Nov 19, 2007 1:39 PM CST
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I think you are on to something there
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Nov 19, 2007 1:46 PM CST
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heh
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Playoffs?
They don't really look like anything close to a playoff team. In the past they've rebounded and played good defense. The biggest areas for improvement were
- reducing turnovers
- getting to the line more
- converting more opportunities close to the basket
Maybe a comparison between last year's first 10 games and this year's first 10 games could pull me off the ledge?
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Nov 19, 2007 1:48 PM CST
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it wouldn't for me
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2007 1:52 PM CST
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I'd consider doing that,
I can't handle the truth!
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Nov 19, 2007 1:54 PM CST
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I fully expect both would be bad
Otherwise, I'll do what I can to cushion the fall of those who follow me off the ledge!
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Nov 19, 2007 2:22 PM CST
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These are just the rough descriptive stats
06-07 through 9 games: 3-6 record, .453 shooting, 39.8 rebounds, 21.3 assists, 15.2 TOs, scoring margin +1.22 (which included the Miami blowout - if you take the opening night Miami game out and use games 2 through 9 for comparison, the record was 2-9 and scoring margin -4.6). Scoring margin in wins was +25.3 while in losses was -10.8.
07-08 through first 9 games: 2-7 record, .388 shooting, 42.4 rebounds, 19.9 assists, 15.4 TOs, scoring margin -8.6. Scoring margin in wins +11.5 and in losses -14.3.
Stats-wise it all comes back to shooting and the impact that has on other stats (fewer assists, more rebound opportunities, worse scoring margin). The big thing this year so far has been the two blowout losses, but again shooting is a huge culprit there, with .333 against the Raptors and 34.8 against the Lakers last night.
I can't seem to help being optimistic about the Bulls before every game (even if they are doing their damnest to drive that out of me), so I suppose I'll just keep waiting for the team - and you can read that as mainly Kirk - to get out of the shooting rut.
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Nov 19, 2007 3:59 PM CST
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Is it the Roster or the Rotation?
I'll make the case here first against Paxson.
What can I say except that Paxson's idea of a roster kind of makes one wax nostalgic for the Jerry Krauss era? At least Krauss knew that the foundation of the team had to be a player of surpassing skill and ability. TO Krauss's credit, he tried again and again to find that player. He told us all along that Curry and Chandler would take four years to show dividends. The problem was that Reinsdorf heard the fans' cries for blood, and terminated Krauss ahead of his timeline. Paxson came in and scuttled the whole thing.
There's a way in which it can be said that Paxson's attempt to build a team in his own image has been a complete success. He has created precisely that team--a group of obviously flawed players, personally driven to succeed beyond their natural athletic gifts. And we have now seen how far the Paxson experiment can go--the conference semi-finals.
In support of Paxson, I think he did see the limitations of his visions. That's why he drafted Tyrus Thomas. Thomas is the one player on the Bulls who has the athleticism to lift the team to the next level. In Thomas, Paxson, like Krauss before him, had to take a chance on a player, and gamble on his potential. I think Paxson knew Aldridge was the more polished player, the safer pick. But I also think Paxson realized he needed greatness, rather than simply "very goodness," to make his team a championship contender.
Skiles has failed Paxson's vision. By holding back Tyrus' development (and, it could be argued, Sepho's, too) he has negated the key piece Paxson has provided.
My vote: Paxson is, at most, 30% responsible for the current mess. By far, most of the fault lies with Skiles.
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Nov 19, 2007 1:57 PM CST
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do you believe all the stuff you write?
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Nov 19, 2007 2:02 PM CST
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it's 'Krause'
Pax cannot be happy that Skiles is taking away what little athleticism this team has. But I can't see them not being BFF.
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Nov 19, 2007 2:05 PM CST
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"Krauss," "Krause"
I agree. Krause did fail. He failed, I believe, in that he was over-aggressive in his pursuit of athleticism...possibly, lacking any himself, he overvalued it in others. Eddie Robinson comes to mind as his unpardonable sin.
by alec on
Nov 19, 2007 2:12 PM CST
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save it for
If you build it, they will come.
by hscs on
Nov 19, 2007 2:19 PM CST
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See, Matt?
by alec on
Nov 19, 2007 2:32 PM CST
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normally i'd be with you
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I don't know if there's space left
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Nov 19, 2007 3:16 PM CST
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Skiles playing rookies
Those rookies, Gordon, Deng, Duhon, and Nocioni all appear to be regressing in their fourth season under Skiles.
What's happened? Is it he same bug that came up and bit Skiles in Phoenix? Skiles had nearly a .600 winning percentage coaching the Suns, ~.590 to be precise.
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Nov 19, 2007 2:10 PM CST
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Tyrus?
And look at the difference there...
Aldridge is 19.5 pts/8.1 rbs in his second season.
Tyrus is 7.7/5.1...
by withmalice on
Nov 19, 2007 5:52 PM CST
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even Larry Miller
by hscs on
Nov 19, 2007 6:47 PM CST
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Yeah, but Tyrus plays 22.9 min.......
by GranvilleWaiters on
Nov 19, 2007 11:56 PM CST
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who knows how many minutes Aldridge would get
On the one hand, he'd be a rookie not exactly known for defense. But on the other hand...spacing.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 20, 2007 12:01 AM CST
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Tyrus
I'm trying not to get upset by this, but f$%#, he might just be our best player right now. And he's practicing waving a towel.
by cubbybear on
Nov 19, 2007 3:05 PM CST
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T2
by tyrus4prez on
Nov 19, 2007 3:15 PM CST
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noah
by Sambossanova on
Nov 19, 2007 3:25 PM CST
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I think we sense that
And we've already been taking losses!
by marionette on
Nov 19, 2007 3:44 PM CST
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Nuggets
Skiles just seems out of his element right now.
by NBA Observer on
Nov 19, 2007 3:19 PM CST
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Trying to see
Healthly (relatively so) Lakers are much better than Clips minus Brand and Livingston. And actually improve when Kwame is out!
Despite a 3rd Q offense where the answer to getting an open shot seemingly was to keep shooting it from further and further outside, they were still close at 63-60 with about 2 mins left.
Wallace: No travel, but still technically a back-to-back.
Didn't expect to get two in LA anyway. "It's just one loss".
Going small? Didn't GM and coach make a point of how they had the optional capability of going bigger than other teams with this year's roster? Though TT at center helped them get back in it against the Suns, it has to become apparent (even to Skiles?) that this is not the automatic solution. (Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing TT at center, as long as he plays 30+ SOMEWHERE. It could happen!)
If Skiles remains an ignoramus, and bad starting lineups and substitutions lead to more 30pt blowouts, won't that just hasten his eventual departure? As soon as this year? It could happen!
Consider the long term. This team is still full of young promise. Just 'cause half of them don't get meaningful PT doesn't change that. Collectively, they've already proven that they're not the ATL Hawks (to me, at least). I believe these guys are mentally strong enough that their psyches (ies?) will survive whatever the hell it is that's going on, if indeed there is some untold story here.
Deng is a damn important piece. Until his healthy return (fingers cross), Noc at SF is not that bad an option, if TT and Noah get more burn than they would've with Noc at PF. Also Thabo (rebounds well, at least). Ol' Joe too.
Kirk: Momma always said, "If you can't say somethin' nice..."
Some of that was hard to come up with and write. Some I believe to the core. Mainly, AG > TT can't continue because such ridiculousness will be evidenced by similar team "performances".
I'll still make the effort Tues at the sports bar. Denver plays fast, but they're a bunch of dum dums on the court (Camby excepted). But they're not just fast, they're big and fast, so the small line up will be killed. Does Iverson usually do well vs Kirk? Maybe I'm becoming a loyal fan, or maybe just perverse, but I have to see what happens....
by marionette on
Nov 19, 2007 3:20 PM CST
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< 24hrs later
by marionette on
Nov 19, 2007 3:23 PM CST
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Skiles
All in all they look awful. Hinrich does not belong in the starting line up. Derrick Rose anyone?
by Knowledge32 on
Nov 19, 2007 3:36 PM CST
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As long as
by bigballa10 on
Nov 19, 2007 11:00 PM CST
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The Rotation
C:Wallace; Noah; Smith
PF : Noc; T2; Smith
SF: Deng; Noc; Thabo
SG: Gordon; Thabo
PG: Hinrich; Duhon
DNP: Kryapa, Gray, Griffin, Gardner
Thabo should be used in matchup situations only. He is the last off the bench. Kryapa, Gray, and Griffin, Gardner shoudl only come in during garbage/blow-outs!! It shouldn't be this hard...
by tyrus4prez on
Nov 19, 2007 3:45 PM CST
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I agree!
Do other coaches screw around with the line-up this much? I'd think players would be more comfortable with some consistency. And more TT. I had to flip away from the game at the start of the third and I flipped back and he was just benching his starters and pretty much giving up on the game. I turned it off at that point.
by cranscape on
Nov 19, 2007 4:58 PM CST
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It does help to let off steam here
"Guys have to make shots. This is the highest level, the pros. To constantly be talking about it every day is not productive. "Guys have to snap out of it. Pro shooters make shots. It's what they do. If you can't do it, you better get in the gym and figure it out and get your head screwed on or whatever the problem is and make shots."
It is like he is leaving Hinrich to solve this himself. I thought that is what a coach is paid to do.
by chgobr on
Nov 19, 2007 4:11 PM CST
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I'm not feeling much of what Skiles says lately
Wasn't one of the positives this year suppose to be that, because of the multi-year history with the guys, Skiles knew how to relate to them better? Doesn't seem to be working.
His comment on Deng's back was irritating, too.
"That's the first I've heard of it," Skiles said of Deng's determination. "But that's kind of a new thing in the NBA when players can say, 'I think I'll play in two weeks.' I don't know how he can possibly know that. He'll get treatment every day and we'll see what happens."
Seriously? I imagine Lu would be thrilled to wake up feeling great Tuesday and then playing. I imagine he was just answering some question about his back. Anyway, Skiles snarkiness is just not appreciated (by me) under the circumstances.
by wjb1492 on
Nov 19, 2007 4:27 PM CST
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I totally agree with you.
by CrashDavis on
Nov 19, 2007 4:42 PM CST
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I commented
by sue369 on
Nov 19, 2007 4:43 PM CST
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Sorry, Sue
by wjb1492 on
Nov 19, 2007 4:51 PM CST
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No problem.
Love your sig. That is one of my favorite Christmas movies and that quote is very appropriate for how I feel about this team too.
by sue369 on
Nov 19, 2007 6:29 PM CST
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One of my fav's, too.
by wjb1492 on
Nov 19, 2007 9:33 PM CST
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Skiles
by tyrus4prez on
Nov 19, 2007 4:43 PM CST
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I'm starting to really, really
by bigballa10 on
Nov 19, 2007 10:49 PM CST
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I thought his
by sue369 on
Nov 19, 2007 4:47 PM CST
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eh, I'm with Skiles
What gets me is that he stops there, and doesn't offer any thoughts on what he can control, like if you aren't shooting don't put in more bad shooters and/or small lineups.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Nov 19, 2007 4:53 PM CST
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The Bulls are a "jump shooting team".
by philosoball on
Nov 19, 2007 5:33 PM CST
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Dude losing sucks.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on
Nov 19, 2007 5:33 PM CST
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Whatever happened to Paxson Jackson?
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on
Nov 19, 2007 5:35 PM CST
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you scared him away
by hscs on
Nov 19, 2007 6:48 PM CST
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Trade
by eross226 on
Nov 19, 2007 6:20 PM CST
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Toronto
I'm hearing really bad reviews of Chris Bosh in Sam Mitchell's system.
by NBA Observer on
Nov 19, 2007 7:29 PM CST
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wallace is just now going back to form
by hongydraw on
Nov 19, 2007 8:01 PM CST
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Wallace for Duncan
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on
Nov 19, 2007 8:31 PM CST
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Indeed...
by withmalice on
Nov 19, 2007 10:00 PM CST
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Lets not overreact...
by T MaK on
Nov 19, 2007 6:32 PM CST
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I guess what I really don't get
by Jaina on
Nov 19, 2007 7:20 PM CST
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PLAYOFFS??????
by hongydraw on
Nov 19, 2007 7:59 PM CST
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Scott Skiles putting the end of the bench in
wow. his coach was awful. it stunk. it stunk like a skunk that crawled out of the ass of another skunk.
by hongydraw on
Nov 19, 2007 8:00 PM CST
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Dude did the Bulls trade for Kobe?
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on
Nov 19, 2007 8:32 PM CST
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Bulls=
by vlad001 on
Nov 19, 2007 9:49 PM CST
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This team has seriously
by bigballa10 on
Nov 19, 2007 10:54 PM CST
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Wow does this game remind you of anything?
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on
Nov 19, 2007 11:26 PM CST
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