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That starts Adrian Griffin over Tyrus Thomas. And for those who think starting's not a big deal, Thomas has played a total of 21 minutes the past two games.

Skiles is regressing as a coach, and it would be even more evident if his players weren't bailing him out from the criticism by also being terrible. Hinrich is likely the worst starting PG in basketball. Sefolosha has not developed in the least. Those are just the more egregious examples, the rest just aren't any different than last year.

But that doesn't change the fact that Skiles is making things harder on himself, by instead of taking a chance on his 'developmental' players (and if he thinks Tyrus is one, that's ridiculous), he's circling the wagons and trusting his veterans. That's what all coaches do, I guess, but Adrian Griffin should just be collecting his undeserved player-coach contract at this point, not starting. And at this rate, Joe Smith will be on the inactive list by January.

Good teams don't get blown out by 30+ points twice in a week. And unlike last season, there aren't a glut of gimme games coming up in the schedule. This start is a missed opportunity, and even if Skiles' plan is to have them playing their best basketball for the playoffs, I hope he enjoys starting that first playoff game on the road.

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But didn't Bill Simmons say...
...that starting Thomas was the wrong thing to do? I mean, Gordon is the best sixth man in the league and Thomas is great for energy. So this is OBVIOUSLY the right thing to do. I'm sure Sam Smith would agree, too.

I don't see why you can't understand this, Matt. It's so OBVIOUS if you just WATCH.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Nov 19, 2007 8:30 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know you're being sarcastic
but to the point of that Simmons article, I really don't like pigeonholing players as 'energy' players. Because it's freaking lazy and offers nothing.

Usually the cliche is used to mean energy=rebounding, which is something that can be tracked.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 11:26 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mid-season replacement
if anything, it gives hope for next year.
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 19, 2007 8:33 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you really think that Paxson would replace
Skiles mid-season?

I just can't see that happening. JMO.  

SUCK IT SABAN!

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 19, 2007 11:43 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't see it happening either
but Skiles is going to handicap the team with his nonsense whether they make the playoffs or not. Might as well do the hiring and firing now so there's more time for a new coach to figure things out, and the Bulls can be back on track next year.
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 19, 2007 11:48 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As with Riley's wisecrack,
you wonder whether the Bulls would be any better if Skiles himself suited up. I mean, could they be worse?

Hinrich is not only the starting point guard but also the engine of the offense. When he's off in outer space like he has been this season, the team is going to suffer.

Sure, the Bulls as a group shot horribly and look inept on offense, but it starts with Kirk. On those four possessions in the middle of the third quarter when the Lakers turned a tied game into a 12-point lead, Kirk was in. He was bringing the ball up. He was making bad decisions, missing shots and turning the ball over.

It's easy to blame Skiles, but he's not the one missing all of those shots and making bad decisions.

I thought the Bulls were back... turns out they're just a back end...

by bullhockey on Nov 19, 2007 8:57 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Skiles is making plenty of bad decisions
Starting the worst player in the NBA being one of them. Playing the worst player, and Gardner at the same time being two of them. Letting Thomas rot on the bench until it's early garbage/embarrassment time being three of them. That's only one game too.
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 19, 2007 9:06 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"garbage/embarrassment time"
that bothered me almost as much as the lack of playing time before then.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 11:03 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guys looked tired
especially in the second half.  They played well in the first.  I am a little curious about Tyrus's playing time.  Seems like he must have taken a dump in Skiles favorite seat on the bus or something.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 19, 2007 8:58 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fatigue is a perplexing issue
given the low average age of this team. Weren't we led to believe that this team's young legs would be able to run older teams out of the building, and withstand second nights of back-to-back games?

I mean, you could argue that the Bulls' post seasons have taken their toll, but then what about the Lakers? What about the mileage on Kobe Bryant's legs?

When Skiles first took over for Cartwright the Bulls were getting run out of the gym, and I distinctly remember him saying something like, "No offense to previous coaches, but I didn't get a chance to run this team through the proper conditioning during training camp."

Well, this team bears the stamps of Paxson and Skiles and no one else, so it's not an excuse anymore. And yet there they are, with players like Derek Fisher and Lamar Odom whizzing by them like they were going in reverse.

I thought the Bulls were back... turns out they're just a back end...

by bullhockey on Nov 19, 2007 9:19 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no matter how bad the bulls are playing...
skiles deserves much of the blame for this awful start.  yes, he cant be blamed for how awful hinrich has been, but it is clear that he did something wrong in preparing this team for the season.  this is not a young team anymore and theres no excuse for the slow start, especially with how easy the early schedule has been.  

minutes and skiles' ludicrous "rotation" have always been a problem and continue to be this year, and any coach that thinks that solving the early season problems should be to give griffin and gardner more playing time, less PT for tyrus and noah, and giving free reign to nocioni to do what he loves most (play out of control and jack up shots whenever he wants) is a coach who doesnt belong in the league.  i've always thought that skiles is a good coach for a young, developing team and a poor coach for a veteran team (re: kidd's unspeakable hatred for him), and this year is proving that.  could it be possible that these players-- who arent so young anymore-- have grown tired of skiles' surly demeanor and inexplicable substitution patterns and have just tuned him out and are going through the motions?  sure looks that way to me.  i realize that there's a plethora of history saying that midseason coaching changes rarely work, but in this case i think it's warranted to salvage this season and the future.  give him the rest of the circus trip to try to turn it around and if they come home 3-9, can his ass.

by Mike C on Nov 19, 2007 9:34 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bulls are still a very young team
Deng 22, BG is 25, Tyrus is 21, Thabo is 21 or 22, Noah is 22, Duhon is 25.  Those are all guys who are expected to deliver.  Kirk 26 and Noc 27 are the only guys who I would say are near or in there prime.  Wallace and Smith and Griffin are all 32 or older.  Only two guys who should really be counted on for big minutes and good production.  Kirk really isn't holding up his end right now.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 19, 2007 10:08 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well tyrus thabo and noah
havent really been playing, and if your a guard 25 is basically the start of your prime.  my point about the youth thing is that the core of this team is not that young.  sure, most of em are on the young side of their prime, but these guys have been in the league 4 years now.  they're veterans as far as im concerned.

by Mike C on Nov 19, 2007 11:18 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pfft...
There are PLENTY of guys in that age-range (and younger!) that are performing at a very high level.  If this team is going to go anywhere, any time, then I believe they would be showing more than they are now.
Face reality: they're a young jumpshooting team that leans heavily on an old, undersized (overpaid) center for defense.  Teams like that don't win championships.

by withmalice on Nov 19, 2007 5:34 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Duhon's expected to deliever?????!!!!!
ahahhhahhahhaaahha!!! ahahhhahhhahh!!!  wait......ahhhahhhahhhhhaha!  almost done...ahhahhahhhhahhhaahahhahhahhhahhahahah!
Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 20, 2007 12:24 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whoops. Spelling error > Deliver
Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 20, 2007 12:25 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Memo to Kirk:
Get your ass to a gym ASAP. Work on your shot until you drop. Your shooting is horrendous and your turnovers are stupid. Where is your head during the games? Wow Dude, get your shit together.

I didn't stay up for the second half but watched some of it at the fitness center this morning. Why the hell didn't TT play more? I don't understand this at all.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 19, 2007 9:36 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Way to go Sue!
I've been wondering why we here about BG and Luol getting early shots in, working their way out of slumps, and nothing on the captain...

by Freethefro on Nov 19, 2007 11:07 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank You
It's about time we come to our senses about Kirk.  He is a good player just playing like crap.  He is a waste of a roster spot if he cant make open jump shots.  He would turn into dare I say "Chris Duhon"

by tyrus4prez on Nov 19, 2007 11:26 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

duhon
is better than kirk at this point cause he doesnt have fouling issues and he is a natural point guard, aka he isnt a very good shooter but doesnt make as many dumb decisions).

by Sambossanova on Nov 19, 2007 3:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The scary thing is
you may very well be right.  I wonder, if Duhon didn't feel that one of his primary jobs was to lob threes, if he wouldn't be a lot better than Kirk at setting the team up.

by alec on Nov 19, 2007 3:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, but Duhon makes A LOT of dumb decisions!
Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 20, 2007 12:22 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What the hell I have been saying that
for the past year and a half?
Red Kerr's cough button.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 19, 2007 11:49 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

take that as a measure
of how often people actually read or care about what you post every thirty seconds.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 19, 2007 11:58 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But you
want to trade him away. I don't. I want him to get better to help this team.
Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 19, 2007 1:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sue is mad as hell...
...and she's not going to take this anymore!
Wrecked 'em? Damn near killed 'em!

by mdmnd9294 on Nov 19, 2007 1:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gosh, I remember
when I first started posting here.  I was critical of Hinrich, Paxson and Skiles...and I just got shredded by the gang here.  Well, folks, welcome to reality--I've been waiting for you.

by alec on Nov 19, 2007 9:46 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

obviously
You should take over for Matt, and everyone.
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 19, 2007 9:59 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah, yes, you in particular,
as I recall, were pasrticularly vitriolic in your sarcastic abuse.  Reality's a bitch, ain't it?

by alec on Nov 19, 2007 10:15 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes, gloating about 'being right'
while seeing the Bulls start like shit is a real nice contribution.

(and I won't get into the problem with any 'correctness' of 'predictions' based on nothing)

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 10:44 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you two
room-mates?  Anything we should know about?

by alec on Nov 19, 2007 10:45 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let's see...
...2nd Bulls loss on this trip, and unless it was on another thread, I don't think the 2nd annoying commenter has been banned yet. Just sayin', Matt.

by BenGo07 on Nov 19, 2007 10:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

according to the rules
that I'm making up as we go along...I'll give myself until the start of the next game.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 10:53 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh yeah
now that it's been mentioned, another rule (in addition to no voting, and no nominating) is no mentioning. Adds to the suspense.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 10:58 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ease up man...
It's not like I come to this site read intelligent discourse on Bulls Basketball.  I come for the vaguely homophobic insults.  Actually, now that I think about it, this site really could learn a thing or two from the youtube comments section.

by CatBrains on Nov 19, 2007 11:18 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Please, please, please
kick me off.  I can't find the "I quit" link, and I'm so tired of it here.

by alec on Nov 19, 2007 11:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow, you predicted Skiles sucks
Good job!  You are a genuis.  Next, you will predict that one day Grossman will throw an interception.  Or perhaps next game, Gordon will shoot a jumper.  We should all be bowing down to your great wisdom.  Are you happy now?  Someone acknowledged your "prediction" that was only shared by 50% of all Bulls fans.  

by danger mouse on Nov 19, 2007 11:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

May I take this
as a compliment?  I think I will.

by alec on Nov 19, 2007 11:37 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You aren't
sitting across the desk from young master hscs, are you?

by alec on Nov 19, 2007 3:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It could make sense.
Coach Skiles decisions could make sense if the team won, if the team wasn't blow out (yet had the lead at half time.)
  1. The Bulls tried to go small. The Bulls settled, and Heinrich was terrible. For a team to go small they need to be a) fast and b) have a leader, solid point guard.
  2. Not having Deng and Thomas reduced our rebounding.
  3. Wallace was INeffective against Bynum. REALLY ineffective. And that would make sense because Wallace is 6-7 and Bynum is 7-1. This burns the most because Wallace was in there for defense, and he couldn't get the job done. A switch should have been made to put Thomas on Bynum. Or Gray, someone with size. Wallace is not getting the job done. I'm sick of wallace.
  4. Perimeter defense was lax. The Lakers bench is not good, but they are good enough to shoot if they are open.
No one picked up the offense. No one carried the Bulls' offense. The only player that could create his own shot was Gordon, and they were on him hard. The other Bulls' players are either unable to create their own shot, or their play is sub-standard.

I'm rooting for the Nuggets to teach the bulls a lesson.

by chicago-homesick-blues on Nov 19, 2007 9:56 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just had to see it to believe it
I was there last night as well as the previous night. Both times was sitting right to the left of the Bulls bench.

Quite the difference in nights. You could say night and day.

Last night, the Bulls were lifeless. I was tellin' a friend of mine at the game, it was probably the worst basketball I have ever seen played at a game I was at.

No offense to the Lakers, but the Bulls did it to themselves last night. I really couldn't figure out why Tyrus wasn't playing at all pretty much.

I was dumbfounded when I saw Adrian go out for the opening tip. I was just looking around asking people why Tyrus or Noah wasn't in there instead with Noc moving to the 3. Shit, I would have taken Joe Smith as well.

Like most of us, I was a huge Skiles fan. Those days seem like fond memories now.  I can't take his tactics anymore. Like hscs wrote near the top of this post, having Gardner and Griffin in the game at the same time had me almost puking into my $8.25 Bud Light.

It was really funny how much disinterest Kobe seemed to have at the beginning of the game, when the Bulls were still in the game even whilst playing miserably. Once the second half started, you could just see how fast he turned it on and the game got outta hand for Chicago. All with a flip of a switch.

I seriously can't take the rotation anymore at all. Why draft Noah at all? Wasn't he supposed to be that "help right away" kind of player? You're not helping his confidence by sitting him for 3 straight games while he's watching his team getting their butts whipped.  And even though the guy was 0 for 7 on his field goal attempts coming into the games, he does a lot more than shoot. He changes tempo and gives the team instant energy. WHY NOT PUT HIM IN?!

There are somethings that Skiles can't control obviously, like Kirk's shooting woes. But he can really put an effort to changing games in the Bulls favor instead of adjusting to the other teams' strategies. Guys like Noah and Thomas do that for a team. When you start Griffin to guard Kobe, you're clearly playing into the hands of the Lakers right off the bat.

by Option27 on Nov 19, 2007 10:13 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Why draft Noah at all?"
Wouldn't surprise me if Pax is asking himself the same question, and wondering what the hell his coach is doing.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 10:16 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think there must be
a very uncomfortable dynamic going on in Bulls' practices.  Ben Wallace, the nasty old veteran, sees his former self, only taller, reflected in Joakim Noah.  It's probably clear to everyone in the room that Noah is bringing what Wallace is supposed to, but can't.  When, as a coach, do you just acknowledge reality, and make the switch?  

by alec on Nov 19, 2007 10:23 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kind of like "The Aldridge Theory"
You play Noah or Tyrus 35 minutes a games (Not saying that's what I want), they'll probably put up some impressive stats like Wallace's big night on Saturday.

by Option27 on Nov 19, 2007 10:26 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right.
That, I think, is precisely what Skiles (and maybe Paxson, too) is terrified of.  Then he really would be forced to face the issue head-on.

by alec on Nov 19, 2007 10:38 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But Big Ben is upset
If we don't play Big Ben, he's going to be upset. We have to play him or else he'll whine.

Did you know he's getting ~$30,400.00 dollars per rebound?

by chicago-homesick-blues on Nov 19, 2007 11:20 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So he's tried the mixed up lineups,
tried cajoling, tried criticizing - seems like the only thing Skiles hasn't done is set a consistent lineup.  Hmmm, maybe that would help?  (Of course, not if it includes A-Drain starting and Ty not playing.)  Whatever lack of confidence issues are going on, and regardless of your opinion on professional athletes lacking confidence, the herky-jerky lineup can't be helping that.

Get the younger guys some time to play when the game's not already out of hand.  And if Kirk needs to shoot himself out of this horrendous slump, why not leave him out there to do it with the game getting out of hand?  And why bother "saving" Noc and his fouls when the game is spiraling out of control?  I hate that I'm so irritable over this that I'm still grouchy the next morning!

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Nov 19, 2007 10:24 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

For the life
of me I can't understand not playing TT. That is on my last nerve today.

Another thing I don't understand is how a team can look so with it one night and the next night they look like a tom cat after he snuck out of the house and spent the night out. Is that on the coach?

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 19, 2007 1:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is great
I was about to question Brian Hanley for not even mentioning Griffin in his game recap, but he did have this in his notes column:
Skiles replaced Deng with nine-year veteran Adrian Griffin on Sunday, bypassing Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah. Skiles suggested he may start to increase playing time for his veteran players.

Does anyone ever ask the follow-up question: why?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 10:32 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Matt, I'm pretty sure Skiles actually
made this remark after the Clipper's game, in which he did play his veterans, and they won the game for him.  This looks like another case of Hanley lap-dogging Skiles...holding out the quote to defend a bad game, hoping that fans missed the true context.

by alec on Nov 19, 2007 10:42 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hanley makes it even more interesting
because he was absolutely killing Hinrich last year in the playoffs.  Now, he hardly mentions Hinrich's struggles.  Between the disappearance of Tyrus's PT and Kirk's poor start, here's a story there that nobody is telling us.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 19, 2007 10:45 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

about asking
whatever happened to the ask sam weekly column.  that was entertaining and I would like to hear what he has to say about all this craziness in response to fan criticism.

by Sambossanova on Nov 19, 2007 3:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

taken a dump in Skiles favorite seat
This has been my drool cup all season (seems like it's been months already, doesn't it?)...

By reading all the posts, I think it's safe to say that most everyone here agrees that Skiles has lost it.
And WHATEVER Thomas did or didn't do, it's NOT a good idea to have him on the bench just because Skiles doesn't like him or he's pissed at him.
Nor are these ridiculous lineups helping anyting.
And the bitch list goes on and on....

The unfortunate part, is that Skiles IS the coach, and although he might have some momentary flashes of coaching brilliance, he will remain coaching according to what he usually is and does.
And that would seem to indicate that this season and the Bulls in general are lost unless / until Skiles is gone.

Which is why it's so hard to be optimistic.  

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 19, 2007 10:41 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fingers crossed
That's one of the reasons I hope a big trade happens that will hopefully force Skiles' hand on his line ups and rotation. When you only have 5-7 good players, you kind of have no choice.

by Option27 on Nov 19, 2007 10:57 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hasn't stopped him so far
Adrian Griffin isn't a good player, he gets minutes. If Skiles doesn't have the PT carrot to dangle, he runs out of motivational ploys. Even a return of Ron Dupree and Linton Johnson wouldn't change that.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 10:59 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

defense
Skiles brought Griffin in thinking he'd play solid defense against Kobe. I guess Skiles forgot that we need offense, and griffin doesn't play that side of the court.

How can the Bulls expect to compete in a game while playing Gardner, Griffin, and Wallace?

by chicago-homesick-blues on Nov 19, 2007 11:24 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just call him Calamine
or better yet, Prozac, since he's only there for his calming effect.

Caution:  may cause drowsiness, dizziness or bouts of depression or frustration in Bulls fans. May cause laughing fits, hysteria or increased sense of self-worth in Bulls opponents.

I thought the Bulls were back... turns out they're just a back end...

by bullhockey on Nov 19, 2007 12:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can almost understand
Skiles not wanting to start Tyrus as some sort of punishment but he should have been in the game within the first 5 minutes, not once the game was out of hand in the second half.  

Skiles has lost it and this team.  

by upther on Nov 19, 2007 10:53 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seems to me
like Skiles punishing Noah for "talking too much",
and Thomas for...h-mmm...I don't know.
May be we need help of psycho doktor,and Scott may
talk to him about his deep complexses...

by Azabullsfan on Nov 19, 2007 11:00 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nah
Noah doesn't know the offense. He also shoots from the groin. (That's why Skiles limits his PT.)

by chicago-homesick-blues on Nov 19, 2007 11:28 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe it's for the best
what's so great about this offense that it has to be known, anyway? Unless it's 'run up and take a long 2-pointer', Hinrich hasn't learned it either.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 11:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK
Any theory about TT's playing time yesterday?

by Azabullsfan on Nov 19, 2007 11:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Noah
Noah is probably gonna be in the bench and probably belongs there until mid season or so.  I agree that Tyrus not playing is getting ridiculous and I am not  a tyrus fanatic.  

As for Noah, what exactly is he going to help us with?  I haven't seen him do anything that would suggest he is ready to play anything more than scrub minutes on either side of the floor.  The guy has played only a couple of games and thats after recovering from injury.  You can't expect him to be an integral part of changing the momentum.  I hope  he is a good player in the future, and that he won't become the next Adam Morrison.

by Sambossanova on Nov 19, 2007 3:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

helps with rebounding
especially helpful for the Hinrich brick-fest, potentially.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 3:28 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Height and long arms
Noah isn't jumping out of the roof, but he has long arms and height to reach balls to create new offensive possessions.  You just hope to god that he doesn't have the ball in his hands with under 5 seconds on the shot clock.  He's only a threat to get to fouled and give you 1 of 2 at the FT line.

I'd be looking for spots to get Noah minutes.  He should get in for close to 10 per night.  He can't get in the game though when the Bulls are trailing by more than 10.

by NBA Observer on Nov 19, 2007 3:40 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow. Noah compared to Morrison.
Though I get your point (bust), I can't think of two players with more different attributes/games. I would bet you anything Morrison will never be considered a rebounder or a defender. Noah has a chance to at least, agreed?

by marionette on Nov 19, 2007 3:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought Tyrus was injured
I can't believe Tyrus didn't get any PT in the first half of the game.  I figured he was injured or broke a team rule.  Why else would he just sit there when the Bulls need his shot blocking to deter Bynum away from the basket?

Then I remembered we're coached by Scott Skiles.  Sure, Chicago shot poorly again last night, but then Skiles went to the three guard lineup again.  This lineup sucks.  We gave up buckets, scored none, and gave the game away in the crucial third quarter.

To add insult to injury, Kobe never got off on the night.  He finished with 18 lackluster points.  He did score in the third just before heading to the bench for his standard rest.

The Skiles player rotation is just a complete mind f*&k right now.  It's all over the map.  Somebody has to try and get through to Skiles right now.  Maybe we need to criticize him in Italian.

by NBA Observer on Nov 19, 2007 11:18 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Time for Pax . . .
To have a little "discussion" with Skiles.  Bryan Colangelo had a little talk with Sam Mitchell around this time last year, and Andrea Bargnani immediately started getting more playing time after that.  Coincidentally enough, the Raptors also started winning games.  There's no law that says the GM can't tell the coach that certain players should or shouldn't be playing.

by Big D on Nov 19, 2007 11:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Pax
might be scared to try to tell Skiles what to do.

It doesn't seem to be in his nature anyways

by Option27 on Nov 19, 2007 12:08 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wouldn't bet on it
He's said in the past he doesn't want to tell a coach what to do, but he's also said he talks to Skiles about what goes on in court.

And I wouldn't call Pax scared of anything.

by KT on Nov 19, 2007 12:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Are you sure you're talking about PAX???
Pax would have no problem telling Skiles what's on his mind.  Paxson never backed down as a player and he certainly isn't scared of Skiles.  
Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 20, 2007 12:08 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think
Skiles scares the shit out of Pax to be honest...besides drafting players, when has any personnel move in the last few years looked like ANYTHING but a Skiles move?  This is a total assumption obviously, but I would bet that Paxson only calls the shots with whom to draft.  As far as who plays, how much they play, and at which position, that's all Skiles.

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 20, 2007 8:18 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kobe is joking
He even joked about a Chicago newspaper report that he was buying Michael Jordan's house in the northern suburbs.

"I actually thought about purchasing it, decided not to," Bryant said. "I like Oprah's penthouse instead."
I couldn't put a link here,but article is on espn.com

by Azabullsfan on Nov 19, 2007 11:43 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Playoffs? PLAYOFFS? PLAYOFFS??? PLAYOFFS?????
You're talking about PLAYOFFS? They need to win one damn game and you're talking about PLAYOFFS?
What's the difference between a steakhouse and the United Center? One serves people steak, the other is filled with a bunch of dead Bulls.

by vlad001 on Nov 19, 2007 11:55 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Funny thing is
Despite the poor start, Bulls still make the playoffs and end up with a better record then the Lakers, not to mention the usual Laker first round bounce.

by RogersPark Kris on Nov 19, 2007 12:19 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

end up with a better record then the Lakers
And then you woke up....
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 19, 2007 12:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually not that far fetched
Same thing happened last year.

Lakers had an unreal start and the Bulls sucked.

Bulls ended up with a better record

by Option27 on Nov 19, 2007 12:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who cares either way?
as of now they're both early-round playoff fodder at best.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 12:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The LAkers were hit hard by injuries
in the 2nd half of last season and still made the playoffs in a stacked Western Conf. The Bulls were healthy all year and played with the rest of the JV squads in the East.

Oh, and Kirk Hinrich had a pulse.

I thought the Bulls were back... turns out they're just a back end...

by bullhockey on Nov 19, 2007 1:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aaaaand...
The East was no-where NEAR as strong as it is now...

by withmalice on Nov 19, 2007 5:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ahh, what a fine love-fest
Noc:
The coach has given me confidence to take my open shot, so I feel really well

Skiles:

In some games I should have possibly played him more, that's probably my fault.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 12:46 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't remember reading anything by Ian Whittel
But I already don't like him.
Certainly, it is no coincidence that the Bulls' recent improvement in form in the midst of their by-now traditional early-season incompetence has coincided with Nocioni replacing Tyrus Thomas in the starting lineup.

Mr. Whittel needs to stop drinking the bong water if he thinks the Bulls recent play is an improvement.  

by upther on Nov 19, 2007 1:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This Whittel situation is interesting
He was the first to get the quotes from Luol Deng about his back, from what I remember. He writes for the London Times, but is he based in London still?

Is he just a media pipeline for Luol after he covered Lu with the British team?

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 1:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

maybe you should go back and look at the last
4 games.  They've improved.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 19, 2007 1:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe it's just me
But I don't consider a 1-2 record with one of those losses being a 30 point blowout, improvement.  An improving team wouldn't have gone into halftime with a lead and then lost by 30.  

I could be wrong or crazy but that doesn't smell like improvment to me.  

by upther on Nov 19, 2007 1:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what'd they do
in the games before the last 4?  seems like a 4th quarter loss and a blowout in the second game of a back-to-back on the road (where the bulls were leading at the half) to two above average teams isn't that bad.  
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 19, 2007 1:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sounds like the Bears
I guess at this point I would kill for a 4-6 record for the Bulls.

by NBA Observer on Nov 19, 2007 1:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guess I'm not a glass half full
Or moral victory kind of guy.  I would have been with you in the improvement department if they hadn't been blown out last night.  

by upther on Nov 19, 2007 2:07 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bulls
are positioned exactly as the 2006-07 Boston Celtics.  Bulls Mgmt extremely high valuation of their own players talents (38,47,50,57,60 million salary offering), but other teams don't value our players as high as we do or once did. Maybe Bulls will make a move like Boston did once this current youth rebuild attempt goes bad...

by exult463 on Nov 19, 2007 1:26 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

These last couple games have been bad...
real bad. I have not been able to watch many but now I will be watching every game. I hope they can turn it around and believe they need to just get on a hot streak.

Skiles is pissing me off not playing TT enough and I think Noah should see the floor more also.

by SRQman on Nov 19, 2007 1:32 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wait a second!
Is it possible there could be a correlation between Tyrus' reduced playing time and Sam Smith covering this trip instead of KC?

by CrashDavis on Nov 19, 2007 1:39 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think you are on to something there
maybe it is actually sam smith calling the shots.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 19, 2007 1:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh
on a related note, It was good to hear Sam ask the first 5 questions of Skiles after the game. I can picture the rest of the scrum standing back for the old man to operate out of respek.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 1:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

KC's wife
is expecting (or has  had) their second child.  He just might be passing up this trip to stay home and be a good dad.

by KT on Nov 19, 2007 2:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Playoffs?
This team has a long way to go before thinking about the playoffs.  They need to worry about returning to mediocrity before they can set their sights on "above-average".

They don't really look like anything close to a playoff team.  In the past they've rebounded and played good defense.  The biggest areas for improvement were

  • reducing turnovers
  • getting to the line more
  • converting more opportunities close to the basket
It doesn't appear that any of this has improved.  Besides, they seem to have regressed in areas where they were previously strong.  I'd be curious to see a quantitative comparison by those with an acumen for stats.

Maybe a comparison between last year's first 10 games and this year's first 10 games could pull me off the ledge?

Wrecked 'em? Damn near killed 'em!

by mdmnd9294 on Nov 19, 2007 1:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it wouldn't for me
I don't believe they had a good December last season because they started slow.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 1:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd consider doing that,
but I'm afraid it might actually push all of us over the edge.

I can't handle the truth!

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Nov 19, 2007 1:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I fully expect both would be bad
I just wonder if they actually are that much worse than they were a year ago, or if it seems worse because of the raised expectations.

Otherwise, I'll do what I can to cushion the fall of those who follow me off the ledge!

Wrecked 'em? Damn near killed 'em!

by mdmnd9294 on Nov 19, 2007 2:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

These are just the rough descriptive stats
and actually, they sort of make me feel better.  The only thing significantly off from last season is shooting percentage, and its obvious negative impact on scoring margin (not to mention on wins and losses).

06-07 through 9 games:  3-6 record, .453 shooting, 39.8 rebounds, 21.3 assists, 15.2 TOs, scoring margin +1.22 (which included the Miami blowout - if you take the opening night Miami game out and use games 2 through 9 for comparison, the record was 2-9 and scoring margin -4.6).  Scoring margin in wins was +25.3 while in losses was -10.8.

07-08 through first 9 games:  2-7 record, .388 shooting, 42.4 rebounds, 19.9 assists, 15.4 TOs, scoring margin -8.6.  Scoring margin in wins +11.5 and in losses -14.3.

Stats-wise it all comes back to shooting and the impact that has on other stats (fewer assists, more rebound opportunities, worse scoring margin).  The big thing this year so far has been the two blowout losses, but again shooting is a huge culprit there, with .333 against the Raptors and 34.8 against the Lakers last night.

I can't seem to help being optimistic about the Bulls before every game (even if they are doing their damnest to drive that out of me), so I suppose I'll just keep waiting for the team - and you can read that as mainly Kirk - to get out of the shooting rut.

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Nov 19, 2007 3:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is it the Roster or the Rotation?
Am I still here?  OK.  Here's the question:  Who's more at fault for this mess, Paxson or Skiles?  

I'll make the case here first against Paxson.  

What can I say except that Paxson's idea of a roster kind of makes one wax nostalgic for the Jerry Krauss era?  At least Krauss knew that the foundation of the team had to be a player of surpassing skill and ability.  TO Krauss's credit, he tried again and again to find that player.  He told us all along that Curry and Chandler would take four years to show dividends.  The problem was that Reinsdorf heard the fans' cries for blood, and terminated Krauss ahead of his timeline.  Paxson came in and scuttled the whole thing.

There's a way in which it can be said that Paxson's attempt to build a team in his own image has been a complete success.  He has created precisely that team--a group of obviously flawed players, personally driven to succeed beyond their natural athletic gifts.  And we have now seen how far the Paxson experiment can go--the conference semi-finals.

In support of Paxson, I think he did see the limitations of his visions.  That's why he drafted Tyrus Thomas.  Thomas is the one player on the Bulls who has the athleticism to lift the team to the next level.  In Thomas, Paxson, like Krauss before him, had to take a chance on a player, and gamble on his potential.  I think Paxson knew Aldridge was the more polished player, the safer pick.  But I also think Paxson realized he needed greatness, rather than simply "very goodness," to make his team a championship contender.

Skiles has failed Paxson's vision.  By holding back Tyrus' development (and, it could be argued, Sepho's, too) he has negated the key piece Paxson has provided.

My vote: Paxson is, at most, 30% responsible for the current mess.  By far, most of the fault lies with Skiles.    

by alec on Nov 19, 2007 1:57 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's 'Krause'
And his plan didn't work, because Chandler and Curry still aren't that great (plus the myriad other moves). I defend Krause usually, and agree that he had a plan. But it did fail, and his firing was justified.

Pax cannot be happy that Skiles is taking away what little athleticism this team has. But I can't see them not being BFF.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 2:05 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"Krauss," "Krause"
...I did check "Reinsdorf."

I agree.  Krause did fail.  He failed, I believe, in that he was over-aggressive in his pursuit of athleticism...possibly, lacking any himself, he overvalued it in others.  Eddie Robinson comes to mind as his unpardonable sin.

by alec on Nov 19, 2007 2:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

save it for
realecity.blogspot.com

If you build it, they will come.

Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 19, 2007 2:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

See, Matt?
Isn't this exactly what I was telling you?

by alec on Nov 19, 2007 2:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oops--
I meant to send that off-list.

by alec on Nov 19, 2007 2:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know if there's space left
at my secret rendezvous with Chad, but thanks for the sentiment.

by alec on Nov 19, 2007 3:16 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly
The last 3 players the Bulls got in the first round were Tyrus, Thabo and Joakim. All drafted to make the Bulls more athletic. With all them getting limited or no minutes at all, it has to make Pax think, why draft em'?

by Option27 on Nov 19, 2007 2:45 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Skiles playing rookies
The 2004-05 club played 4 rookies as part of the 8 man rotation.  2 of the rookies started.  Yes, Skiles was working with less experience in that year, but the players came together and won.

Those rookies, Gordon, Deng, Duhon, and Nocioni all appear to be regressing in their fourth season under Skiles.

What's happened?  Is it he same bug that came up and bit Skiles in Phoenix?  Skiles had nearly a .600 winning percentage coaching the Suns, ~.590 to be precise.

by NBA Observer on Nov 19, 2007 2:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tyrus?
Thing is, they dumped Aldridge to get Thomas, right?
And look at the difference there...
Aldridge is 19.5 pts/8.1 rbs in his second season.
Tyrus is 7.7/5.1...

by withmalice on Nov 19, 2007 5:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

even Larry Miller
thinks you should keep the per games to yourself.
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 19, 2007 6:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, but Tyrus plays 22.9 min.......
Aldridge plays 34.6 min/per.  That's almost a full quarter more playing time than Tyrus gets.
Is it me or does Lebron walk like a duck?!

by GranvilleWaiters on Nov 19, 2007 11:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who knows how many minutes Aldridge would get
under Skiles.

On the one hand, he'd be a rookie not exactly known for defense. But on the other hand...spacing.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 20, 2007 12:01 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tyrus
Should be hip-hopping as long as his legs will carry him.  The rest of the team's problems are just bad play from Hinrich and to a lesser degree Gordon.  Whatever happened to "if you play well, you get more playing time".  For his maturity, Tyrus is really playing pretty well.

I'm trying not to get upset by this, but f$%#, he might just be our best player right now.  And he's practicing waving a towel.

On Tyrus Thomas: Get that man a table dance, please!

by cubbybear on Nov 19, 2007 3:05 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

T2
Should be starting, now he's not even coming off the bench...I want to know just how many minutes Noah, T2, Deng, Gordon and Hinrich has been on the court together?   That's our best 5!!!

by tyrus4prez on Nov 19, 2007 3:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

noah
what is it with everyone wanting Noah to get real playing time?  Making change for the sake of change is a horrible idea, and that includes playing griffin inexplicably.  Skiles should continue to play the same rotation except give tyrus thomas more playing time and start using thabo a bit more in the right situations.  Give the players who are in a slump some time to work out of it.  If they don't start getting it all together by the trade deadline, then maybe there should be some trades and/or Skiles getting fired.

by Sambossanova on Nov 19, 2007 3:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we sense that
compared to a hurting Wallace on a back to back, Noah couldn't do much worse against Mihm and a quick Bynum (maybe too big for TT?). Why NO mins WHATSOEVER for our first rounder? Do we have to wait 'til we're blown out? But you could be right, maybe it's just the thrill of the unknown! Personally, I like the idea of taking some losses if need be, if it benefits the long term. Noah and Thabo are here long term. Get used to it!  :=)

And we've already been taking losses!

by marionette on Nov 19, 2007 3:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nuggets
Any ideas on the complex 5 man teams Skiles will use against another WC team with little to no low post game?

Skiles just seems out of his element right now.

by NBA Observer on Nov 19, 2007 3:19 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trying to see
the glass half full:

Healthly (relatively so) Lakers are much better than Clips minus Brand and Livingston. And actually improve when Kwame is out!

Despite a 3rd Q offense where the answer to getting an open shot seemingly was to keep shooting it from further and further outside, they were still close at 63-60 with about 2 mins left.

Wallace: No travel, but still technically a back-to-back.

Didn't expect to get two in LA anyway. "It's just one loss".

Going small? Didn't GM and coach make a point of how they had the optional capability of going bigger than other teams with this year's roster? Though TT at center helped them get back in it against the Suns, it has to become apparent (even to Skiles?) that this is not the automatic solution. (Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing TT at center, as long as he plays 30+ SOMEWHERE. It could happen!)

If Skiles remains an ignoramus, and bad starting lineups and substitutions lead to more 30pt blowouts, won't that just hasten his eventual departure? As soon as this year? It could happen!

Consider the long term. This team is still full of young promise. Just 'cause half of them don't get meaningful PT doesn't change that. Collectively, they've already proven that they're not the ATL Hawks (to me, at least). I believe these guys are mentally strong enough that their psyches (ies?) will survive whatever the hell it is that's going on, if indeed there is some untold story here.

Deng is a damn important piece. Until his healthy return (fingers cross), Noc at SF is not that bad an option, if TT and Noah get more burn than they would've with Noc at PF. Also Thabo (rebounds well, at least). Ol' Joe too.

Kirk: Momma always said, "If you can't say somethin' nice..."

Some of that was hard to come up with and write. Some I believe to the core. Mainly, AG > TT can't continue because such ridiculousness will be evidenced by similar team "performances".

I'll still make the effort Tues at the sports bar. Denver plays fast, but they're a bunch of dum dums on the court (Camby excepted). But they're not just fast, they're big and fast, so the small line up will be killed. Does Iverson usually do well vs Kirk? Maybe I'm becoming a loyal fan, or maybe just perverse, but I have to see what happens....

by marionette on Nov 19, 2007 3:20 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

< 24hrs later
and I'm off the ledge. That felt good. Serenity now....

by marionette on Nov 19, 2007 3:23 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Skiles
and his mind games he plays with the rooks/younger guys is getting old. He is a dictator with this team. It is obvious Ty and him do not get along. We aren't there for the practices though, so perhaps Ty is doing his part to not play too.
All in all they look awful. Hinrich does not belong in the starting line up. Derrick Rose anyone?
The Baby Bulls are back....

by Knowledge32 on Nov 19, 2007 3:36 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As long as
Skiles is the coach, I don't want a promising young player like Rose to come hear and have his development stunted.  For some reason this guy can't see the most obvious lineup issues, such as NEVER putting in Adrian Griffin and not playing Tyrus as much as possible.  I don't have a problem with benching the kid to try to get through to him or whatever, but for God's sake, put him in the game!  UGH!!!

by bigballa10 on Nov 19, 2007 11:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I meant
to type "here" not hear.

by bigballa10 on Nov 19, 2007 11:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Rotation
shouldnt be that hard to figure out...As much of a problem as I have with Noc starting; Tyrus should be the first "big" to come off the bench.  He should come to relieve Noc of his chucking which would be perfect for the bench scoring but thats another issue.  I dont understand how hard it is to figure the remainder of the bench.  IMO this is the rotation that Skiles should be using and this is with Noc starting (arghhh!!)
C:Wallace; Noah; Smith
PF : Noc; T2; Smith
SF: Deng; Noc; Thabo
SG: Gordon; Thabo
PG: Hinrich; Duhon

DNP: Kryapa, Gray, Griffin, Gardner

Thabo should be used in matchup situations only.  He is the last off the bench.  Kryapa, Gray, and Griffin, Gardner shoudl only come in during garbage/blow-outs!!  It shouldn't be this hard...

by tyrus4prez on Nov 19, 2007 3:45 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree!
It really shouldn't be this hard.  Skiles has been way too "hands on" when it comes to his line-up.  Starting Griffin?  Maybe if he had been playing him consistently this season so far and Griffin was eatin' his Wheaties, but it hardly seems fair to put a player in that tough position of starting against Kobe when he has got to be rusty just from lack of play. Skiles acts like he thinks he is tailoring his line-up for the best match up but it doesn't look that way to anyone else on paper, on the floor, after a disastrous game...

Do other coaches screw around with the line-up this much?  I'd think players would be more comfortable with some consistency.  And more TT. I had to flip away from the game at the start of the third and I flipped back and he was just benching his starters and pretty much giving up on the game.  I turned it off at that point.  

by cranscape on Nov 19, 2007 4:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It does help to let off steam here
The TT rediculousness has been well documented here.  Skiles statement below bothers me. I am certain he is referring to Hinrich

"Guys have to make shots. This is the highest level, the pros. To constantly be talking about it every day is not productive. "Guys have to snap out of it. Pro shooters make shots. It's what they do. If you can't do it, you better get in the gym and figure it out and get your head screwed on or whatever the problem is and make shots."

It is like he is leaving Hinrich to solve this himself.  I thought that is what a coach is paid to do.

by chgobr on Nov 19, 2007 4:11 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not feeling much of what Skiles says lately
I'm entirely open to the fact that this is because I'm more than a little pissed over how the season is going, and the bipolar bitching about what just happened/hoping it turns around next game really sucks.  And I need someone to blame right now.

Wasn't one of the positives this year suppose to be that, because of the multi-year history with the guys, Skiles knew how to relate to them better?  Doesn't seem to be working.

His comment on Deng's back was irritating, too.

Coach Scott Skiles seemed bemused at Deng's self-diagnosis.

"That's the first I've heard of it," Skiles said of Deng's determination. "But that's kind of a new thing in the NBA when players can say, 'I think I'll play in two weeks.' I don't know how he can possibly know that. He'll get treatment every day and we'll see what happens."

Seriously?  I imagine Lu would be thrilled to wake up feeling great Tuesday and then playing.  I imagine he was just answering some question about his back.  Anyway, Skiles snarkiness is just not appreciated (by me) under the circumstances.

"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Nov 19, 2007 4:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I totally agree with you.
I've defended Skiles' pretty hard the last two years, but this year he's just coming off like a dick. I think a big part of it is his lack of hesitation at throwing any player under the bus to make it look like none of this is his fault. And that's exactly what the above statement sounds like to me.

by CrashDavis on Nov 19, 2007 4:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I commented
yesterday on his snarky comment on Lu. I wonder if he ever listens to how his comments sound?
Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 19, 2007 4:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry, Sue
I missed that, or I wouldn't have reposted it here.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Nov 19, 2007 4:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No problem.
I had heard Skiles say it on Sports NIte but didn't have a link. Thanks for posting that. I really wish Skiles would talk with his players before making comments like that to the media.

Love your sig. That is one of my favorite Christmas movies and that quote is very appropriate for how I feel about this team too.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 19, 2007 6:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One of my fav's, too.
The original is so awesome.  One of the best parts of Thanksgiving is having that and A Christmas Story playing.
"I believe. I believe. It's silly, but I believe." (Miracle on 34th Street)

by wjb1492 on Nov 19, 2007 9:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Love
A Christmas Story too.
Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 20, 2007 10:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Skiles
seems to question a lot of his players injuries.  Isn't the coach supposed to back his players but he constantly seems to question their toughness.  I remember Skiles constantly questioned Gordon about his injuries in the past.  I would be pissed if I was Deng.  

by tyrus4prez on Nov 19, 2007 4:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm starting to really, really
get tired of Skiles comments.  I can't imagine how sick of this guy the Bulls must be.  

by bigballa10 on Nov 19, 2007 10:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought his
comment was aimed at Kirk too. Maybe I'm wrong but don't they have coaches to work with them on their shooting? Wouldn't it be better to go to the athlete in person and suggest they work on their shooting or work with a coach. Sometimes I think it's like he doesn't even know his players.
Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 19, 2007 4:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

eh, I'm with Skiles
in the idea that there's nothing he can do to get them to shoot better. Especially guys like Hinrich who are pretty established.

What gets me is that he stops there, and doesn't offer any thoughts on what he can control, like if you aren't shooting don't put in more bad shooters and/or small lineups.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 19, 2007 4:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Bulls are a "jump shooting team".
Hinrich, as the point guard, is the leader on offense. However, his ability to create shots is somewhat limited and I think that is OK. Gordon and Deng move around and create for themselves and others, but the "big three" all need to be able to hit open jump shots. That means Hinrich should really think of himself more as a 2 guard than a point guard. It seems like Hinrich doesn't spend all his time in the gym working on his shot, but that is exactly what the Bulls need. Kirk should be going for 20 points a night as a goal, even if he doesn't always get there. I hope Skiles understands that Kirk's shooting is as integral to this teams success as anything else.

by philosoball on Nov 19, 2007 5:33 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude losing sucks.
Everyone wants to over analyze.
Red Kerr's cough button.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 19, 2007 5:33 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Trade
Gordon and Noah for Gasol and Navaro.

by eross226 on Nov 19, 2007 6:20 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Toronto
Ben Wallace for Chris Bosh?

I'm hearing really bad reviews of Chris Bosh in Sam Mitchell's system.

by NBA Observer on Nov 19, 2007 7:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wallace is just now going back to form
dont dump him now
Lottery Bound Horribulls.

by hongydraw on Nov 19, 2007 8:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wallace for Duncan
Sefo for Tony Parker and Kirk Hinrich for Tony Parkers wife.
Red Kerr's cough button.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 19, 2007 8:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indeed...
If the Bulls can't win, at least keep Big Ben for comedic reasons...

by withmalice on Nov 19, 2007 10:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lets not overreact...
Tyrus not getting enough P.T. and skiles's constantly fluctuating lineups are really weighing on me too, as is heinrich's (and the entire teams)inability to shoot. Having said that, the shooting woes wont last for ever and with Deng out and the Bulls on the circus trip, i'm not surprised we lost to the lakes. Remember whats really killing the Bulls is the inability to hit jumpers and 3's; the rest is just excess and excuses. A.G. is 6'5 and someone had to gaurd Kobe i guess? Thats all i can think of on that front.

by T MaK on Nov 19, 2007 6:32 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess what I really don't get
is even the mybulls email stated Tyrus was the probable starter, and then Skiles goes and pulls this out of his ass.

by Jaina on Nov 19, 2007 7:20 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

PLAYOFFS??????
YOU HONESTLY THINK THE BULLS WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS? wow...that's laughable.
Lottery Bound Horribulls.

by hongydraw on Nov 19, 2007 7:59 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Scott Skiles putting the end of the bench in
with 6 minutes to go, eliminating any chance of a possible comeback...

wow. his coach was awful. it stunk. it stunk like a skunk that crawled out of the ass of another skunk.

Lottery Bound Horribulls.

by hongydraw on Nov 19, 2007 8:00 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

u phail.
Lottery Bound Horribulls. the bulls are tanking: http://www.blogabull.com/story/2007/11/19/31557/687

by hongydraw on Nov 19, 2007 9:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bulls=
Fail
What's the difference between a steakhouse and the United Center? One serves people steak, the other is filled with a bunch of dead Bulls.

by vlad001 on Nov 19, 2007 9:49 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This team has seriously
regressed from last year.  For a team that was so good defensively the last few years, they can't seem to defend very well or even rebound for that matter.  I don't know which defense has regressed more, the Bulls or the Bears.

by bigballa10 on Nov 19, 2007 10:54 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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