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Open Game Thread # 8: Bulls at Los Angeles Clippers

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[Thanks to chgobr for today's game thread -Matt]

This game ignites hope or adds to our misery generating more speculation about changes.    

The Clips have beaten the Bulls 13 of the last 15 times they have met, including the last 3. Tonight's Game summary. The Clips beat the Bulls 97-91 November 6 shooting 45% from the 3 point line.  Mobley shot 13-17 FGs and scored 33 points.  Chris Kaman is playing well 18 points/game, 14 rebounds, 2 blocks and poses the inside threat we long for. Luol led the Bulls with 9-17 FGs, 22 points with 8 rebounds 3 steals and 2 blocks.  

Ben Wallace's confused over his lack of playing time is well documented on our Blog-a-Bull diary.  Disgruntled Wallace.  How many minutes does Big Ben get tonight? Does Hinrich build on his better shooting?  At least it is always fun to watch TT.  

This Clipper team is playing well.  Even though they lost last night, they refused to go away against a hungry Warriors team on the road.  The Bulls did show some life against the Suns.  These Clips pose a challenge for us getting a much needed W.

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At least it is always fun to watch TT.
I agree my question is why don't they ever run an ally opp for Tyrus? Like when GP was running with Cocaine Kemp? The screen. The roll. The lob pass! Why don't the ever try that? Th guy jumps out of the building. It's better than a poor bounce pass that causes him to pull up for a J.
These are the best days of our lives!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 17, 2007 11:08 AM CST   0 recs

For the love
of god please win this game. I hope everyone comes out and plays their asses off. Play hard until the end of the game and no stupid TO's please.

GO BULLS!!!

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 17, 2007 11:35 AM CST   0 recs

No Stupid TO's
maybe if this was the Harlem Globetrotters and the referee was Tim Donaghy

by lwinston300 on Nov 17, 2007 4:30 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Even Skiles is calling the team a bunch of pansies
''In your mind and in my mind, there's no reason,'' Skiles said of his players being distracted to the point that they're 1-6 after a 112-102 loss at Phoenix on Thursday night.

''But [the players] may have their reasons. I picked up USA Today [Thursday], and Kirk [Hinrich] had said we need to get out of town because there's too much going on in Chicago or whatever. I guess that's referring to the fans booing. Whatever.

''I'm not being harsh by saying at some point, you've got to have maturity for those things not to bother us if we really want to become an elite team. There's no question about it. If that is a problem, even though we play the Clippers first, [the Bryant] questions are probably going to come for two straight days. If we can put something together, you can, once and for all in your own mind, put it behind you.''

Oh, and Nocioni will start again instead of Tyrus, which blows.

SUCK IT SABAN!

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 17, 2007 1:14 PM CST   0 recs

New here
Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum hope we have good luck tonight against the Clips.

Anyways, going back to 1958ChiTown comment. That is exactly the reason I was always a big fan of the Kobe deal.

None of the guys in our current roster has any kind of mental toughness.

I mean... this guys are out of focus because what?

  • Kobe trade talks
  • Contract extensions
  • Being booed at home.
I remember when Kobe was accused of rape in Colorado.

I mean really, facing the possibility of ending up in jail, losing millions of dollars in endorsements and having marital problems as a result of his infidelity did not take anything away from his game.
Not to mention that he was flying in and out of court into ball games.  

The guy played out of his mind during those months.

In any case, I find it inexcusable that these guys are putting up such poor performances. Especially if we consider the amount of talent they all have.

I hope they all get their act together. I would also love to see a little more from Noah.
That is one guy that I think has some of that mental toughness I was talking about.

We have a good chance of beating the Clippers tonight.
Kaman is playing great ball but sometimes falls in  early foul trouble.
I think we should explore that option. Attack Kaman from the beginning and get off to a quick start.

See you all later.

by Outsidergua on Nov 17, 2007 8:21 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I think at seasons end the starting line up will
be

Hinrich
Deng
Tyrus
Nocioni
Noah

These are the best days of our lives!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 17, 2007 1:17 PM CST   0 recs

I like it !
Then we are playing 5 on 5 on offense instead of 4 against 5.  What do we do when we play Houston or Miami?

by chgobr on Nov 17, 2007 1:49 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Don't worry guys
I'll be at the game tonight sitting right next to to the Bulls bench.  If they look unmotivated or anything of the sort, I'll get them going.

I'm going out on a limb a predicting victory.

I can't wait!

Clippers/Bulls tonight

Lakers/Bulls tomorrow . . . . where I restart those Kobe chants

by Option27 on Nov 17, 2007 1:58 PM CST   0 recs

What will you be wearing?
I will be looking for you!  Last year it was great to see FlaBull at the Miami playoff game.  If you remember I thought I saw him on TV and he sent us pictures and it was him.  Enjoy the game - I hope we win!

by chgobr on Nov 17, 2007 2:09 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

your Loul Deng?
These are the best days of our lives!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 17, 2007 2:36 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

YOU'RE
These are the best days of our lives!

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 17, 2007 2:37 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

I have a heart like Luol
Recently I travelled all the way to Sudan to give out as many mix cd's as I possibly could to the struggling children out there

by Option27 on Nov 17, 2007 2:50 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Big Ben vs. Skiles
This last game, I do have to say was a loss due to coaching.  at the 8 minute mark in the fourth, it was tied Skiles could have put in Big Ben and default to defensive Chicago basketball.  But he put Smith in.  More than anything, they needed defensive stops and there is no better professional at that than Ben Wallace.  

Say what you will about the man, but he and kirk are the defensive identity of this team.  he had some great work in this last game because his ankle is healed.  

What happened to the idea that defense wins championships?  I hope Skiles makes some better substitutions tonight.

by brianmita on Nov 17, 2007 2:12 PM CST   0 recs

I like this as the starting linup
-kirk
-BG
-Deng
-Noah
-Big Ben
first off bech
-TT
-Noc
-and what if you put Thabo at the point so he wont take as many shots
-Joe smith
-Du

by eross226 on Nov 17, 2007 2:26 PM CST   0 recs

Sorry, but theClippers have this one in the bag
  • Cuttino Mobley absolutely man-handled Hinrich last time they met. I don't think Kirk will ever be the same after being abused so hard on defense. No sugar coating on that matchup, the last one was absolute rape.
  • Ben Wallace is no match for Kaman. He is 6 inches shorter and can't jump. Kaman actually scores points from the center position. Yes, I know this comes as strange to Bulls fans, but his jumphook over the helpless and overpaid Wallace will be automatic tonight.
  • Deng will choke. Dude can't hit the 2 foot chippies around the basket, he just doesn't have it. Take away his jumpshot and he's out of the game.
  • Gordon is too short to be an NBA shooting guard. He greatly overestimates his ability. He thinks he's a $15 million dollar player. Then again, when the worst player on the team gets that much...
What's the difference between a steakhouse and the United Center? One serves people steak, the other is filled with a bunch of dead Bulls.

by vlad001 on Nov 17, 2007 2:28 PM CST   0 recs

UC joke
What's the difference between a steakhouse and the United Center? One serves people steak, the other is filled with a bunch of dead Bulls

That is funny! I agree Deng needs to get back in the game and Gordon needs to go

TMD- Boiler Up!

by TMD on Nov 17, 2007 9:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Now don't
you look silly.
Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 18, 2007 12:11 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

For the sake of all that is good in this world
Let the Bulls win this game.

And if a win is asking too much, I hope at least for the following:

  1. Never to see Thomas Gardner play ahead of Thabo ever again
  2. Wallace shutting up and playing
  3. No dumbass fantasy bball lineups
  4. More (or at least a little) Noah
  5. Kirk carrying forward the shooting touch that he seemed to recover in the Suns game
  6. BG staying on his feet

by paxson43 on Nov 17, 2007 6:03 PM CST   0 recs

Unfortunate circumstance
If things weren't so horribly dismal already, I would give the Bulls a chance for a win tonight.
And someone (Option27?) said that they believe the Bulls will take one out of two in LA...

I would hope for that too.
But alas, I'm not feelin' the goodness tonight...(sigh)

So here's to at least HOPING for a decent game, although I do have to admit that nothing less than a WIN will help ease this pain.

Go Bulls...(please?)

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 17, 2007 8:53 PM CST   0 recs

Ben Gordon might regain his shooting touch,
score 50, and have less bone-headed turnovers, but asking for him to stay on his feet... that's asking a little bit much, don't you think?
I thought the Bulls were back... turns out they're just a back end...

by bullhockey on Nov 17, 2007 8:59 PM CST   0 recs

In the more bad news department
Deng did not practice Friday and sat out of the team's morning shootaround.

``At Phoenix [Thursday], as the game went on, it just kept getting real tight,'' Deng said Saturday. ``I don't know which play or how it happened. I really have no idea. Then, after the game, I was in pain. I couldn't even walk. I kept thinking that it would go away, but it's the worst.''

Deng, one of only two Bulls to play all 82 games last season, said he would decide if he could go shortly before tipoff. But given that he winced when he tried to get up from sitting, it appears he will not be able to play tonight.

``It doesn't look good,'' Deng said. ``I want to play so bad. We want to turn this thing around, but I have to do what I have to do to get better.''

Skiles said he was planning on starting Tyrus Thomas in Deng's starting spot at forward. Andres Nocioni, who Skiles inserted in the starting five for Thomas at Phoenix, was also in the starting lineup Saturday.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/655710,bulls111707.article

by KT on Nov 17, 2007 9:04 PM CST   0 recs

that would explain
why he didn't do much in the fourth quarter.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 17, 2007 9:17 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Great :-(
What else can happen?
Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 17, 2007 9:19 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Hey...they could WIN...
:-)
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 17, 2007 10:22 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Bulls
I am tired of hearing about this teams potential! I am pissed off! I think Kirk has topped out Gordon can score and nothing else Deng needs to show up he is worth the bucks. I think Wallace is done and lets see if TT develops into a decent swingman to go with Deng. I am not all that angry about the Bryant trade because we would still be without an inside presence the KG trade now don't get me started!
TMD- Boiler Up!

by TMD on Nov 17, 2007 9:26 PM CST   0 recs

Give it a few weeks
Gasol will be back in the mix.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 17, 2007 9:31 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Gasol
I would ship Gordon and Deng for him. Why? Trade a supposed all star for a proven one! We need to stop pretending and start contending!
TMD- Boiler Up!

by TMD on Nov 17, 2007 9:37 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

great start
Wallace can still dunk, who knew...
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 17, 2007 9:47 PM CST   0 recs

Amen to that.
And it's so nice to see!
"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Nov 17, 2007 9:55 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Looking good
This is the team I wanted to see!!!!!!!!! Wallace has two dunks I am glad to see he still has a pulse!
TMD- Boiler Up!

by TMD on Nov 17, 2007 9:57 PM CST   0 recs

Not too bad so far.
Of course I am happy about the score right now, but beyond that the guys are looking as though they are enjoying themselves much more.  And who knew Big Ben could dunk! If they keep up this kind of play for four or five games in a row I might actually have my post season expectations returning again.

by cranscape on Nov 17, 2007 10:02 PM CST   0 recs

Sam Cassell
is perhaps the most entrtaining guy in the league.

by alec on Nov 17, 2007 10:05 PM CST   0 recs

and the ugliest
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 17, 2007 10:06 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Nope....Cayman gets my vote...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 17, 2007 10:34 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

agree
Cassel looks like Wiil Smith near Kamen :-)

by Azabullsfan on Nov 17, 2007 10:38 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

This TEAM on the whole is
perhaps the ugliest in the entire association.

by marionette on Nov 17, 2007 10:49 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

And Oscar goes to.....
Chris Caveman!!!!!
Standing ovations........

by Azabullsfan on Nov 17, 2007 10:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Nice first quarter there
Only thing is the free throws.  Other than that, Bulls have more assists, more rebounds, fewer fouls - and of course the nice lead.  :)
"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Nov 17, 2007 10:11 PM CST   0 recs

Very nice
so far.They should keep this intensity all 4 quoterrs.Please!
And shoot those free throws.

by Azabullsfan on Nov 17, 2007 10:18 PM CST   0 recs

So, who put the quarter
in big Ben?
He seems to have all of a sudden found his rebounding...
WTF?
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 17, 2007 10:18 PM CST   0 recs

Du is good at finishing fast breaks
one of his 2 strengths...   :-)
Kidding of course....we all know he has less...
LOL
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 17, 2007 10:20 PM CST   0 recs

Thabo
So much for needing a big two guard who can defend bigger guards. It musst be lonely in the doghouse
TMD- Boiler Up!

by TMD on Nov 17, 2007 10:22 PM CST   0 recs

Patterson....what a PUSSY
He was the same way here in Seattle...
Jaggoff
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 17, 2007 10:24 PM CST   0 recs

Thomas is
an asshole also!!!!
Flagrant foul,thank you!

by Azabullsfan on Nov 17, 2007 10:28 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

You gotta figure
no one on the Bulls is in the mood to take taht kind of crap.

by alec on Nov 17, 2007 10:28 PM CST   0 recs

Looks like the Bulls / Clips have begun
a new rivalry....
And WTF with Tim Thom-ASS?
I mean, the guy got to sit on his ass while collecting MILLIONS - then got traded to a great team in the Sun...

And he HATES the Bulls?

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 17, 2007 10:29 PM CST   0 recs

Beat offs
Tim Thomas and Rueben Paterson.
TMD- Boiler Up!

by TMD on Nov 17, 2007 10:34 PM CST   0 recs

Isn't there supposed to be replay
this year for exactly this type of dust-up?

by alec on Nov 17, 2007 10:36 PM CST   0 recs

For those on the NBATV feed
can you believe they thought the Noc foul was flagrant and NOT thomas's??

by Jaina on Nov 17, 2007 10:37 PM CST   0 recs

Yeah, I thought that was pretty ridiculous
Seemed pretty obvious to me that it was a retaliation-type of thing.
"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Nov 17, 2007 10:46 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Actually, on NBATV the game was from the Clippers'
point of view. A couple of real homers, too. "And now they're calling a flagrant on Tim Thomas." "Why whatever for? I don't understand that one at all." "Well I guess it's because they don't want this getting out of hand..." Look, there was no play on the ball by Tim "Kenyon Martin is a Fugazi" Thomas. If that happened away instead of at home, he would have been thrown out for sure.
I thought the Bulls were back... turns out they're just a back end...

by bullhockey on Nov 18, 2007 12:38 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

I know it was the Clippers' broadcasters
but that comment was ridiculous regardless.

by Jaina on Nov 18, 2007 12:44 AM CST to parent up   0 recs

Ben Gordon!
Blokking Thomas,and jump ball!

by Azabullsfan on Nov 17, 2007 10:40 PM CST   0 recs

11 points at half
I'll take it.But,Skiles,please no more Griffin!
Where is Noah?

by Azabullsfan on Nov 17, 2007 10:44 PM CST   0 recs

So far it's best
Bulls game.I mean passion,effort and etc.

by Azabullsfan on Nov 17, 2007 10:46 PM CST   0 recs

Noce played well,
BB finally looks like Old Big Ben.
Keep it going on second half!

by Azabullsfan on Nov 17, 2007 10:48 PM CST   0 recs

Wow!
Where has this team been so far this season? Can they continue with this pace all game? That would be wonderful if they can. Good to see Noch standing up for himself.
Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 17, 2007 10:49 PM CST   0 recs

Can they continue with this pace all game?
Question of the hour...

They've played strong in more than one game...then fall apart at the end.

2nd half - comin' up....

Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 17, 2007 10:53 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

Gordon made a driving layup
in the last min there!

by marionette on Nov 17, 2007 10:51 PM CST   0 recs

Thabo is definitely out of the rotation
too bad.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 17, 2007 11:00 PM CST   0 recs

Yep.
I'm not sayin' it's the right thing not playing him, but he didn't do anything to help his cause either.
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 17, 2007 11:03 PM CST to parent up   0 recs

4 taem foul
on Clippers with 7 min to go!

by Azabullsfan on Nov 17, 2007 11:06 PM CST   0 recs

Clips in the penalty for the rest of the Q...
Now if the Bulls can just hit their FT's...
Is it spring training yet?

by Bluelou on Nov 17, 2007 11:07 PM CST   0 recs

11:2 run by Bulls
GOOOOO BULLLLSSS!

by Azabullsfan on Nov 17, 2007 11:07 PM CST   0 recs

Noc
I've not noticed his defense much so far, but Noc's offense is looking good.  He should keep shooting until they figure out how to make him miss.  He rebounding looks pretty good too.  I don't mind him starting if he plays to his strengths like this.

by cranscape on Nov 17, 2007 11:08 PM CST   0 recs

Kaman!!!Flagrant foul!!!
ASSSSSS!Noce taering them down allllllll Night!

by Azabullsfan on Nov 17, 2007 11:11 PM CST   0 recs

A little exaggeration
by Noc there? He's makin' 'em pay for that first elbow!

by marionette on Nov 17, 2007 11:11 PM CST   0 recs

His extra bouncy hair helps.
Noc needs to grow his hair out a little bit more to add to the "whiplash" bounce he gets when he is "hit".  He did seem to get hit with the body and a hand to the back of the head on that layup attempt though. And that first elbow probably made contact and set the tone for his game.  

by cranscape on Nov 17, 2007 11:16 PM CST to parent up   0 recs