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I'll keep saying it's early until it's too late

Saturday night's debacle against the Raptor was a perfect game to not watch, and I obliged for the most part. After seeing the first sub-20-point quarter you get a good idea of how the game's going to go. It would've been nice to see some of what happened in the season's only win carry over, but the league doesn't really work that way. Either you're good or bad on a night, and momentum is assessed after the fact. Right now the Bulls still are bad, and mostly because their best players remain as such.

There's a lot of discussion over what the team can do, but I don't see any real solutions besides just relying on a regression to the mean. Nearly every individual player is doing worse than expected, and except in the case of Wallace it's hard to believe that they've forgotten how to play.

So in terms of minor changes, Skiles' hockey line-change on Saturday wasn't going to work (not that keeping starters in that night would), and for the same reason I don't see promoting worse players to the starting lineup helping much. Firing the coach rarely works midseason (even if it did 'work' I don't see it being because of the new guy), and I don't see any 'tuning out' or upcoming mutiny on the horizon so I can't endorse a desperation move. 

Perhaps getting out of town will help galvanize the team, but any discussion of the merits of booing is more of a way for fans to think they matter more then they do. I don't even want Bryant (at 'any cost', anyway), but if I was at Saturday's game, the frustration (and just to be an asshole) I'd likely join in on a Kobe chant, or at least boo like crazy. It shouldn't effect them and it likely (hopefully) doesn't, so I'll place getting booed in along with being in trade talks and not getting contract extensions all in one big bucket of who cares.

They don't need a spark, they just get their core guys playing better. Wishin' and hopin' is all that can be done on that front, not just from the fans (come on, the boos? really?) but the organization as well. Because if anything, messing around with the lineup or coach will be pulling the plug on this team this season, and indicating a big-picture problem with this regime. I'm not ready to concede that yet.

And this shit start even hurts the "go get him, boy" crowd, as a bunch of former-prospects around Kobe Bryant isn't much to cheer for either. Not to mention he likely wouldn't want to be a part of it in the first place.

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oh, and again
at least we can be happy they didn't sign those contract extensions.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 11, 2007 8:52 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes we can
I'm hoping they get their act together on the road trip.  They aren't this bad, at least it makes no sense that they're this bad.

by KT on Nov 11, 2007 9:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I actually think putting in the subs was a good
idea.  Thabo finally hit a jump shot, two even.  Maybe getting benched was rock bottom, who knows.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 11, 2007 9:09 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Your comments "rarely"
"Firing the coach rarely works midseason"

But still the possibility exists that it can work!

The Golden State Warriors bought out Mike Montgomery's contract and hired Don Nelson to take over the team again. Nelson's Warriors won their final five regular season games and qualified for the 2006/07 playoffs.  The rest is history.

Montgomery really is not so difference from Skiles.  His style of play was against his players strengths. Definitely against his pg Barron Davis strengths.

some quotes during the period after Montgomery firing..

 "There was little faith on the team in the job Montgomery was doing with the Warriors. I hadn't heard that something was about to happen right now, but had been told all along to not be surprised if the team parted ways with Mike. Now, ESPN reports that the likely replacement is Don Nelson. It's tough to say how well he and Baron Davis will get along when it comes to playing style and decisions on the floor".

Well Nelson and Davis seem to have work it out.

Matt, before and if you travel here, this is not a endorsement to bring back Cartwright or the other Krause college coach guy.

by exult463 on Nov 11, 2007 9:17 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nelson was hired before the 2006-2007 season
He was hired right before training camp opened.  As soon as camp opens and the preseason starts, replacing the coach takes on a whole different complexion.  And who would replace Skiles anyway?

by tacojohn on Nov 11, 2007 9:22 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Transistion has
to be less dramatic with minor impact to the players.  Therefore, for the remainder of this year select an interim coach familiar with some of the positives Skiles has brought to the program.  Maybe assistant coach Ron Adams.  And he should be able to bring in 1/2 of his desired assistants, if they are not already on staff.

by exult463 on Nov 11, 2007 9:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Consider the Bulls have made win-now investments
or at least considered them, I think hiring an assistant in a gradual transition is a waste of precious time.

Plus isn't the idea that you don't promote from within when you don't like how things are going?

by tacojohn on Nov 11, 2007 10:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And even though I despise him
George F#ng Karl was hired by the Nuggetts and they turned everything around suddenly by being the hottest team down the stretch that year and giving the Spurs a relatively tougher than expected first round opponent.

I hate Karl though because of how he nearly ruined the Bucks (I am a Marquette guy living in Milwaukee at the time) so please refrain from me using him as an example as a good mid season coach swap.

by majoyenrac on Nov 12, 2007 12:06 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What are you talking about
they lost 4-1 to the spurs, how tough can that be.  They've lost 4-1 every year in the playoffs under Karl.  He doesn't bring anything special except a Tar Heel blue smile.  

And Getting hot in the second half is a mirage.  Teams start dumping in earnest and it puffs up records, bulls included.  George Karl is nothing special.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 12, 2007 8:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The facts speak for themselves....
Well if it was 4-1 no matter, the games were closer than the final score was, and the team at that time was much less talented than it is now.

I hate Karl, so screw it anyway, but the Nuggetts totally turned that season around after Karl came on, I mean I believe they were pretty far under .500 and ended up a decent playoff opponent...

Also, I think getting hot the last 10-15 games is a mirage, not the entire second half of the season.  He coached them to a 32-8 record.  Had they lost to a middling playoff team like say the Wizards that year, then yes you could say well it was a mirage, but the Spurs are and have been the toughest competitor in the league the past 6-7 years even when they don't win it all.....

I mean, hell if the Bulls could go 32-8 with a coaching change (a 66 win season pace)  I think we'd all be happy, and Karl did so with a team that was much less talented than it is now.

I hate the guy, but I'm just citing that as an example of a mid year coaching change that more than worked.

by majoyenrac on Nov 12, 2007 9:10 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Allen Iverson help too
A lil.
youtube.com/angryasianace

by AngryAsianAce on Nov 12, 2007 8:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes Now he does....
But that streak happened and Karl's hiring pre-A.I. that also adds to my reasoning that sometimes a mid year coach can help.

by majoyenrac on Nov 13, 2007 10:10 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

win-now investments
tacojohn since you seem to be a wealth of information.  Do you buy into this win-now, did or do you think this is possible with the offensive that Skiles is running?

I primarily think Skiles is a problem, not so much that the whole ship is sinking, therefore I see an advantage to promoting within.  Adams sounds like a good alternative.  Maybe he can prove he is a bonafide head coach in the NBA during this period.   If you don't like him, then what about Bill Laimbeer (2 NBA titles and 2 WNBA titles) for a first time NBA coach.

I think keeping Skiles when we all know he will be fired or his contract not renewed is a waste of precious time.  

by exult463 on Nov 12, 2007 12:06 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't care if the Bulls
exhumed and revivified Red Auerbach, if the "Core" (especially the guards) remain in their dull stupor, the Bulls won't win.
SUCK IT SABAN!

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 11, 2007 10:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah the Kobe Bryant chants are starting to
get out dated. Im convinced it's over.(The Kobe trade) I assume he'll just play the rest of his career a Laker. I just don't understand how it's come to this. I mean it's just really sad because this team had so much going for it. Maybe it still does but they have a dark cloud over it and I really think the league has just caught up to the Bulls. If you work as hard as they do I think the cream will rise to the top. You can't out hussell teams anymore. So it's a long season who knows but they really burned some cred with such a shitty start. Ohhhh well.
lalalalalalalalalala we once had a basketball team!A basketball team.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 11, 2007 9:26 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You know what's interesting
No Sam Smith article yet.  Whoops it's finally up.  Was it in the paper today?
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 11, 2007 9:40 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't remember seeing it before
And I didn't see anything in the Sun-Times earlier either, which surprised me.  

Maybe the unintended benefit of the team playing so poorly last night is that it left Mariotti speechless?

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Nov 11, 2007 9:47 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That'd almost be worth it
Smith writes about moving BG and Tyrus back to the bench, put Deng at the two and start Noc.  That's going to generate some vitriol on BAB.  I sort of agree with BG, just because something probably needs to be done, but I'd say leave Tyrus in the starting lineup.  Tyrus has been hitting his J's and is a really effective options for Kirk to dish it to.  

I don't know about Deng at the 2 either.  I think one of Deng's problems is he's trying to do too much and the postup thing really isn't working yet.  Putting him at 2 is just one more thing for him to try to adjust to and I'm not sure that he is that much more capable handling the ball than BG is.

The other thing is maybe sit Kirk out until his left hand heals up.  It's obviously affecting his shooting.

Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 11, 2007 9:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the only good reason
to trade Deng and Gordon (anyone really) is if they get played out of position, and/or brought off the bench. It's a production killer. Anyone who buys into Scott Skiles' fantasy rotations has their head up their ass.  
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 11, 2007 10:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess
I thought about it, and Skiles would even laugh at Sam's plan.
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 11, 2007 10:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

jumpers
"has been hitting his j's"?

I'm no Sam Smith fan, but I wouldn't qualify T2's 7-for-23 on "jumpers" (his makes including a few 5' dinks) as reason to write home.  30% is surely a sign of his supposed off-season jump shot improvement that had us drooling all summer...whatever.

He's been getting to the hoop and can jump out of the gym.  Bulls fans have been knowing this since last year;  LSU fans have been knowing this longer.

Relative to the slow-starting Core, T2 is looking lights-out right now.  I just wouldn't go crowning him yet.

by bpa on Nov 12, 2007 11:48 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can i get a link
to those numbers?
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 12, 2007 12:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone is "crowning"
Tyrus.

I simply think that some people are arguing it would be assinine to BENCH Tyrus, as Smith foolishly suggests, when he has been one of the few positive contributors thus far.

Tyrus has improved far more than your flippant commentary suggests. Even Skiles acknowledged it recently. He is playing better team defense, he has cut down on unnecessary fouls, his ball handling has improved, his passing and court vision have improved, his focus has improved, and, yes, his jump shooting has improved, though everyone recognizes he isn't going to beat Ray Allen in a game of "around the world" any time soon.

SUCK IT SABAN!

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 12, 2007 12:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

7 for 23 is very misleading
and if you watched the games you should know it's misleading.  I appreciate you at least supporting your statement with evidence.  Now I'll offer my own.  Tyrus is 7/16 on jumpshots.  But, 6/8 from the center of the court where he's had mostly catch and shoot situations.  He's 1/8 from the wings, but most of those jumpers have come in 1 on 1 situations.  He obviously has work to do there, but it's not going to all happen in one off season.  Being able to catch, shoot, and make jumpers is enough for now in that area.  It's all P.J. and Allen could do last year.  Tyrus's biggest shooting problem last year and this year is making layups and hook shots, his inside FG% should be at least 58%.

Here look at his actual shot chart before jumping in bed with Sammy.
http://www.nba.com/hotzones/index.html?team=bulls&player=tyrus_thomas&season=22007&split =

by Scotter on Nov 12, 2007 12:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not crowning him
I just feel confident in him shooting.  Looking ahead though, it might make sense to bring him off of the bench against some of the stronger PF's he might face.  Bosh was too much for him right now.  Stoudemire would be too, or Marion depending on how they match up.  But who knows, jerking him back and forth in and out of the lineup probably doesn't help anything either.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 12, 2007 12:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ugh
Officially a hater on Ballhype!

by hscs on Nov 11, 2007 9:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Excuse my french, but
Sam Smith is becoming more and more of a petulant, dumb c*nt by the day.

Every article is simply an opportunity for him to repeatedly lambaste Tyrus, who has been one of the few bright spots during the early season. He hasn't played perfectly, but he is improving. In this particular trenchant opus, Smith ingeniously suggests that th Bulls bench Tyrus because Thomas allegedly can't "play in the spotlight." Oh, and the Bulls should have taken Aldridge, blah blah blah.

SUCK IT SABAN!

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 11, 2007 10:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't get that
Tyrus must've really pissed him off because this negativity isn't warranted.  Tyrus has shown the most improvement since last year.  It's time for Sam to get over it.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 11, 2007 10:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Statistical Argument for Not Panicking
I analyzed the correlation between the average Win% after 6 games and Win% after the entire season for all the teams in the NBA last season, and found that the Rsquared value is 0.0604.  This means that only 6% of the final record is predicted by the record in the first 6 games.  If each game has as much predictive effect as any other, this correlation would be about 5 games worth.  Which means that these games actually mean LESS than an average sample of 6 games in terms of predicting the outcome of the season record, because each game has about 1.2% of the games(1/82).

Notable:
Phoenix and Dallas opened 1-5, Dallas 1-5 too.
Sac, Atl, Por 4-2

There is still hope.  I'm sure Sbulls could find a correlation with something else that seems way more trivial that is stronger.  Or a negative correlation with something that would seem to be a negative.

GO BULLS!

On Tyrus Thomas: Get that man a table dance, please!

by cubbybear on Nov 11, 2007 10:21 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Correction
Or a negative correlation with something that would seem to be a positive.
On Tyrus Thomas: Get that man a table dance, please!

by cubbybear on Nov 11, 2007 10:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't like booing.
I think it's a little ignorant to think that booing or being in trade talks doesn't affect them. And just as foolish to say, "Well, we wouldn't them anyway" if they are affected. That's an idea taken from the baseball stats world.

This isn't baseball where it's these 2-minute/2-second confrontations. It takes a LOT more focus and concentration to be "on" during a basketball game.

There are few players like (presumably) Jordan or Shaq who can combine great talent with an ability to constantly focus during a game. However, there are still plenty of players who suck who probably don't give a shit about the booing.

Anyway, there's no way to quantify, and really no way to know, if this stuff affects the players. That doesn't mean that it doesn't. It doesn't mean that the players aren't still really, really good players if it does. Paxson said the trade talks affected him when he played.

How? Are we sure? I don't know. But that's probably the best 'evidence' we have on whether it does. I do, however, subscribe to the idea that if it does affect the players, that it affects the vast majority of them negatively. The only good booing does (imo) is it helps relieve fan frustration. I think that's lame.

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Nov 11, 2007 10:57 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh PUH-lease!!!
Players at this level should be able to put 'boos' outta mind.  If they are that mentally fragile, then they are going to be found out sooner or later - and I can guarantee you that a player who lets the crowd play on him that much will have his worth devalued - and rightly so.

So, the fans are disappointed with the team's performance thus far: rightly so!  Thus far, they STINK to high heaven!

There are two ways that off-court stuff can affect a player: either than get angry, and play harder... or they sulk, and play poorly.
If it's the latter, don't get petulant & whine/moan/bitch to media or fans (that's just going to earn the increased ire of those two bodies)... find some way to get through it.
Only one thing to say to those players currently whining: grow a pair.

by withmalice on Nov 11, 2007 11:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you didn't know this team was mentally weak
after watching that second round ass whooping by the Pistons then I think......I don't know maybe that person is slighly retarded.
lalalalalalalalalala we once had a basketball team!A basketball team.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 11, 2007 11:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yawn... How long
Do we have to read stuff from you joejoe?  You flip worse than Kobe.
One moment, the Bulls suck, the next "it's-not-that-bad".
Get a grip... and if you don't want a hammering, don't lead with your chin.

by withmalice on Nov 12, 2007 12:46 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Clean your vagina.
lalalalalalalalalala we once had a basketball team!A basketball team.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 12, 2007 12:58 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yawning constantly
You're boring.  Seriously so.
Pathetic, sycophantic commentary the one moment - pathetic, juvenile profanity the next.
Grow up kid.

by withmalice on Nov 12, 2007 1:05 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This could help me?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UlTjWUziZhg

I find your anger odd. This is the first time I have read anything you wrote and I hope it's the last my friend cause if I have confused you well then I'm so sorry. Whatever I can do to help you through your anger just let me know. I can't be boring though because boring lacks interest (whether good or bad) and if what I wrote didn't have interest well then I don't think you would have read what I wrote. Personally I think I'm one of the most interesting people I know.

lalalalalalalalalala we once had a basketball team!A basketball team.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 12, 2007 1:22 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok... maybe confused me
with one of your responses above - the one about 'retarded'...
If it wasn't aimed at me, forgive me my kneejerk reaction.  Jumped the gun I guess...
Even so - pretty poor comment anyway... perhaps we both could think a lil' first.

by withmalice on Nov 12, 2007 1:48 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no that wasn't towards anyone.....
this is what I think about though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYkvhKejWG0
lalalalalalalalalala we once had a basketball team!A basketball team.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 12, 2007 1:55 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Internets
Serious business :O
youtube.com/angryasianace

by AngryAsianAce on Nov 12, 2007 8:38 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But why the hell does that matter?
Players are people. People suck ass. People have emotional problems. Obviously, most get weeded out before they ever make it to a big stage. But some are so talented, or are in the right environment all their "careers" that they aren't faced with that.

Sure, it's fine to boo, but I think, as part of the home-court advantage, fans should help, not hurt the teams. The players aren't affected by opposing fans because they've been part of that their whole life. But how many players from Kansas, Duke, UConn and Florida have ever been booed at home?

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Nov 12, 2007 8:19 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol "Weeded" Out
I can go for that.
youtube.com/angryasianace

by AngryAsianAce on Nov 12, 2007 8:39 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Booing and trade talks are two entirely different
phenomena, in my opinion. I can understand how being mentioned in serious, sustained trade rumors might affact a man's focus. A trade entails a complete change in the player's life. He has to move to a new city, sell his old house and buy a new one, move his family, change his daily routine, adapt to a new coach, assimilate into a new set of teammates, perhaps change his expectations concerning the level of success he can immediately achieve with his new team (e.g. a player who goes from a contender to a poor team), alter his vision of his future, etc.

Imagine if I walked into a regular white collar employee's office and told him that he might be required to imminently work for a new company in a new city with an entirely new boss and co-workers. Oh, and he has absolutely no control over his ultimate destination. It's doutbful that the employee would be as productive in the short term. That sort of profound uncertanty affects everyone. Yes, they are professional athletes, but they are still humans subject to the full and natural range of human emotions. Being in the NBA doesn't convert them into cyborgs.  

Boos, on the other hand, are a pretty ephemeral, minor disraction. They literally last one minute or less and don't really change anything significant about the player's life or existence. They are a form of mild rebuke that one should be able to forget quickly.

SUCK IT SABAN!

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 12, 2007 11:02 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

1958 BUT ARE YOU MAKING
$5-10-15M a year, not counting endorsements, especially for something as fun as a game?

That's the huge difference in your argument.

Guys making that kind of money (more than many of the really big CEO's, etc) should be able to play hard under any circumstances.....they've got a pretty easy life as all of them if they managed their money could likely quit after 1 year. Even the 15th roster man could live a lifetime on his annual salary (just not an NBA styled lifetime).

It's a great gig.

by majoyenrac on Nov 12, 2007 11:51 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Everything is relative when it comes to the human
mind.  It doesn't matter how much they're making, they can still be unsettled and stressed out by a lack of control over their lives, especially when they have millions, but still have no control over being transferred.

by Scotter on Nov 12, 2007 12:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah No I agree and disagree
I can see it a bit from their perspective and understand it if you put a regular working joe under the same circumstances, but I really think their should be a difference made when the "reg joe" in this case is a $10-15M per year guy.  That guy should be forced to play their all night in or night out and realize how hard others work to make $122-183K per game!  It's ridiculous.

by majoyenrac on Nov 12, 2007 12:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree about the distinction.
However, I still think, just like the general population, there are players that want the approval of everyone. They're used to not getting it on the road, but I bet that hardly any, if any, at this point in their careers have been booed at home.

While I'm not a fan of one person or the other because of their personality (except Roger Clemens), it doesn't mean that I think they're detached automaton.

I mean, if one believes they can feed off a home crowd's enthusiasm, why wouldn't booing affect them in a similar but opposite fashion?

Let us prepare for glory! --Michael Redd

by tyger1147 on Nov 12, 2007 12:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

see my post above
Same applies.

Although I know it from a human perspective, I don't think we should count out the money these guys make......

by majoyenrac on Nov 12, 2007 12:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's gotten so bad........
the Kobe rumors have just faded away. Wow. I don't see this getting any better. There was so much hype this year and then all the Kobe rumors that whole week with the Score670 saying it was a 90% chance he would be traded that opening night. Just a huge fall. Major let down to the whole city. Not only are we not getting Kobe, we are not getting a winning product. I have to say I feel very screwed here. I think the boos are justified. It will be one of the major let downs in Chicago History if things don't change here.
lalalalalalalalalala we once had a basketball team!A basketball team.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 11, 2007 11:23 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whats
Larry Brown up to these days.
I wouldn't mind him as the head coach.

by eross226 on Nov 12, 2007 12:30 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you think
Larry Brown would be good for the Bulls?  The long term damage he might do could take years to recover from...

by withmalice on Nov 12, 2007 1:07 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a great video
My favorite metric of a team's quality is the often underappreciated "win/loss record"

by preverbal on Nov 12, 2007 4:18 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you know that reminds me of?
chgobr.  until he lost the love somewhere along the line.  What happened Chgobr, you used to be a pillar of optimism...
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 12, 2007 4:29 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bullshooter - you are correct I have lost my mo-jo
Saturday's game flipped my neuro-chemistry into something severely pathological.  Normally we play in one or days.  Waiting until Thursday I cannot get out of this rut.  You know how some people cannot stop the hiccups.  I have been constantly booing since 9:30 PM Saturday.  I apologize for being so annoying. Booooooooooooooooo!!!  I need help!!!!

by chgobr on Nov 12, 2007 5:36 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's hoping
you and the bulls can get the mojo back.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Nov 12, 2007 7:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is no quick fix
This team is in real trouble right now.  The team only goes as far as Kirk Hinrich will guide them.  He's the same kind of shooter this season as he was last season.  He's still inconsistent with his jumper and doesn't go to the dribble penetration enough to get stabilized at the free throw line or getting easy buckets at the rim.  But the real team wrecker has been his defense.  His play on defense is material that should constitute being benched.

Kirk's defense on the pick and roll has been awful.  He leaks too much giving the point guard space, has no height to catch up with a perimeter shooting big man, and he's trying to protect the dribble penetration when he knows that behind him are two of the better shot blockers in the NBA.  He's playing defense like he's the only Bulls player out there.

Chicago's point differential is -9.7.  They are getting off 7 more shots than their opponents.  They are a -3 in rebounding differential, but +2 in offensive rebounding differential.  This is where Skiles' coaching is coming into question.

He is notorious for benching players for bad defense and ill advised passes that turn the ball over on offense.  What he needs to employ is a rotation that will increase the team FG%.  He can do that with a lineup that attacks the basket.  Nocioni came out in the 2nd half of the Raptor game and took it straight at Bargnani.  He picked up three fouls in 5 minutes.  Noc was yielding 5 inches to Bargnani.  Where was the scouting report?  Where's the coaching here?  You can remove chess pieces from the board with strategy.

I don't know if Griffin is healthy, but he can post up guards.  None of our other guards can do this.  When you look around the league, winning teams have a guard that will go into the post to exploit matchup problems.

The sad thing is the circus trip is always hard because the Western Conference doesn't play any defense and the Bulls aren't going to outscore anyone.  The Suns don't like to foul so the gameplan should call for attacking the basket on every possession.  Posting up Shawn Marion to get him into foul trouble is key.

by NBA Observer on Nov 12, 2007 8:42 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm with Matt
just play better...there's nothing else to say.  Yeah Skiles is doing his usual dumb stuff...yeah the booing goes on...yeah the trade/contract talks may have been a distraction.  But come on, you can only blame outside influences for so long.

These guys have to start knocking down some shots, plain and simple.  No lineup change is going to help right now.

The road trip might do them some good.  There are at least a few pencil-in wins to be had:  

Clippers - Mobley is out injured so he won't be there to take apart and completely destroy Kirk.  Plus you have the revenge factor.  The Clips will be overconfident from their win last week.

Lakers - They aren't that good, we can take this one.  This game will be interesting to watch.  The whole Kobe saga will come to a head that night with everyone (Kobe, BG, Lu) showcasing for their potential new team  :-)  j/k

NY - Believe it or not the Knicks ARE improved but I still think we should come outta NY with a win.  I'm intrigued by the Wallace/Thomas vs. Curry/Randolph matchup.  If he doesn't already have it back by this game, BG will have his shooting eye, as he usually plays pretty decent in NY.  Look for him to torch the Isaiah-ettes.

Raptors - Simply put, we now owe them one.  Revenge factor will be heavy in this game.  Look for Skiles to blow a gasket and have a complete meltdown if they play the same way they did in the loss.

Not too confident about the Phoenix and Denver games.  Maybe we can catch them sleeping?  Doubt it, but anything can happen.

Let's hope we're all singing a different tune by this time next week.

by ScottieCartwright on Nov 12, 2007 8:55 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ditto to your second section
Oversimplified, but:  Last season, we shot 45%, this season 38%.

Shooting 45% likely gives us wins against Philly, Milwaukee and the Clippers.  That puts us with a 4-2 start...and no one's panicking.

1-5 is discouraging, but our average point differential isn't -30.  I mean, we're a jump shooting team that's shooting sub par and losing relatively close games (Toronto excluded).

We need to move without the ball, create inside opportunities cutting to the basket and increase our fast break opportunities....all ways to nurse a low FG%.  

by bpa on Nov 12, 2007 12:02 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I never want to hear Luol, Skiles, or Noah say
that we shouldn't boo. Last I checked, we supported this team as they took their sweet time trying to rebuild during the post-Jordan era. We stayed patient through the years as they drafted Curry, Chandler, Heinrich, etc. We supported them and now they have the balls to tell us not to boo when they play like absolute dog shit? We deserve better, the players are 100 percent to blame. ( I can see the team losing some close ones to bad coaching, but to play at this level and perform like this, I blame the players first).

So memo to the Bull players and coaches...

PLAY BETTER AND GET OVER IT!

by RogersPark Kris on Nov 12, 2007 10:19 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Show me where Lu
asked not to be booed. Everything I've heard him say or read is that he doesn't like it and it hurts but he never asked to not be booed.

Maybe Matt can list the roster on the side so people can spell their names correctly. It's spelled Hinrich.

Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 12, 2007 10:48 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...and I think
a grammarian should check every entry before it can be posted.

by alec on Nov 12, 2007 10:58 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice way to change the focus of the post
Maybe Matt should leave lessons on reading comprehension too. Luol has said he doesn't like the boos. Maybe he should be more concerned with his poor play. Never did I quote him as saying anything. In case you missed the general point of the post was that no one on the Bulls should be telling the fans not to boo. Is that clear enough for you?

by RogersPark Kris on Nov 12, 2007 11:02 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Again you're saying,
"no one on the Bulls should tell the fans not to boo". Who on the Bulls told the fans not to boo? Saying you don't like the booing (like Lu did) and asking them to stop booing are two different things. Is that clear enough for you?
Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 12, 2007 12:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We can go back and forth about this forever
Here's a quote from a player...
''For some of the fans to go and talk about Kobe Bryant -- like screaming 'Kobe!' -- to me, that was kind of different because they wouldn't do that in college,''
He's saying that fans should not be using these derogatory chants and that college fans wouldn't do this. A statement that is completely rediculous. Are you happy? Didn't know we had to site all our statements in here. I know you are completely against booing players in the first place but your obvious bias is getting annoying.

Here's another one from Scott Skiles...
"I never want to do that. On a night when the boo-birds are out I don't want to embarrass the group like that,"

So because of the "boo birds", Skiles didn't want to play the starters. LOL, so don't boo or they might bench the starters.

Try creating a post that doesn't revolve around arguing about fruitless semantics.

by RogersPark Kris on Nov 12, 2007 1:26 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because of the "boo birds"
Skiles didn't want to bench the starters en masse
"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Nov 12, 2007 1:32 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whether or not
I approve of booing has nothing to do with this. In your original post you included Lu in with Joakim and Skiles. Lu never asked the fans to not boo. I guess your interpretation of Joakim's statement is different than mine. To me his statement shows more disappointment in the fans then anything. I guess we disagree. It happens.
Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 12, 2007 1:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

shut up
who cares, we suck!

by miserabull on Nov 12, 2007 5:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NO
Racecar spelled backwards is racecar.

by sue369 on Nov 12, 2007 6:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Won't be any Kobe chants on the road
What will be their excuse for a winless road trip?
What's the difference between a steakhouse and the United Center? One serves people steak, the other is filled with a bunch of dead Bulls.

by vlad001 on Nov 12, 2007 11:29 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who do you want to win?
Are you a Pistons fan or something?  At first I thought that but then I noticed you are commenting ALL THE TIME.  What kind of loser would spend so much time on an opponents blog?  I presume you want a winless trip (and are not just predicting it) but I'd like to know why.  Just want to verify you aren't simply the most pessimistic person in the world and actually root for the Bulls but say nothing but negative things.
What is the difference between vlad001 and a moron? Only vlad doesn't know the answer.

by bashuck on Nov 12, 2007 5:19 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hah!
He probably is the type that schedules his next root canal before his tooth even rots. What a way to live your life.

by cranscape on Nov 12, 2007 5:53 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The only reason Lu
said anything about the booing was that he was asked about it.  Did he grab a reporter in the interview room and volunteer, "Man, that booing sucks.  It's really getting to me."  Of course not.  

And the only reason he or any athlete says the booing bothers them is that if they expressed their true feelings, which I'd almost guarantee would be something along the lines of "Who gives a shit if they boo?" the fans would viciously turn on them, the team would be forced to trade them, they'd have to take a pay cut because no team can tolerate a player not playing the PR game, they'd lose endorsement money and eventually get drummed out of the league.

So the player says (when asked), "Yeah, that booing, it hurts, but I understand the fans' disappointment and we just gotta play better...blah, blah, blah."

by alec on Nov 12, 2007 1:29 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The PER of the Bulls starters through 7 games...
I am fully aware of the fact that these PER ratings are based upon an insufficient, small sample of data this early in the season, but I found them to be entertaining nonetheless:

Tyrus Thomas - 14.33
Luol Deng - 13.65
Ben Gordon - 11.43
Kirk Hinrich - 7.73
Ben Wallace - 6.35

SUCK IT SABAN!

by 1958ChiTown on Nov 12, 2007 5:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

League Average =15
Every member of the so-far starting line-up is below the league average.

by alec on Nov 12, 2007 9:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's too goddamn early!!!!!!!!!!!
All this whining and bitching and moaning is painful to read!  I was excited to stumble across this site a couple weeks ago because there were many well thought out posts.  Now it just reads like the ignorant tripe written by journalists or voiced on talk radio (which is just the same ignorant tripe regurgitated with the appropriate amount of extra bile).  Seriously, remember it's a very small sample size and the team will not be playing like this for the rest of the season.  The team's probably a few bounced out jumpers away from winning a couple games more.  I can't believe how many idiots know how to use the Internet!

by snley on Nov 12, 2007 9:16 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

turnaround will happen against the LA Lakers
I think the turnaround will happen when the Bulls go to play against the Los Angelas Lakers.

regaurdless of the outcome against the Suns, the Bulls will lose to the Clippers. they are one of three teams (Raptors, Clippers, Nets) that own the Bulls.

But against the Lakers, the Bulls could make a statement against Kobe Bryant, who is I am sure well aware that the fans of hisp opponent have been chanting his name. If the Bulls are able to beat Kobe and his Lakers, I honestly think the team will gain a ton of confidence, proving to the back of their own minds that they dont need Kobe. Alot of good could come out of the game.

Vlad001 is a douche. 0-4? So what! The Bulls will win the East!

by hongydraw on Nov 13, 2007 12:36 AM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL!
the Bulls could make a statement against Kobe Bryant, who is I am sure well aware that the fans of hisp opponent have been chanting his name
  • you figure that Kobe won't be out to make a statement too?  Frankly, I know which player(s) are more effective within that scenario.
  • second... I think the chants will motivate Kobe too...

by withmalice on Nov 13, 2007 12:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dude if they keep sucking like this....
when Kobe drops 50 on them in Chicago the crowd will chant Kobe! hahaha that would be crazy!

When do the Lakers play in Chicago?

lalalalalalalalalala we once had a basketball team!A basketball team.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 13, 2007 11:26 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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