Open Game Thread # 6: Bulls vs. Toronto Raptors
[Thanks to wjb1492 for today's game thread. -Matt]
Chicago gets Toronto on the second night of a back-to-back. Will this be win #2?
The Bulls' early season difficulties have been quite thoroughly hashed and rehashed, both here and in the papers. The most recent outing, however, saw the Bulls grab their first victory of the season, a 97-93 win over the Detroit Pistons. Tyrus (19 points, 14 rebounds) was incredible, and finally got some well-deserved positive press (although not from Sam Smith). Luol (17 points) looked more like his last-year self for much of the game, and Kirk (14 assists) found a way to both stay on the floor and involved in the game even while his shooting touch is still off. The bench, led by Joe Smith, outscored the Pistons' bench 31-13. Ben Wallace (6 points, 7 rebounds) even contributed by sitting out the fourth quarter, quite graciously as it turns out. All in all, it was the first really solid effort from the Bulls collectively, and I'm sure we all expect to see more of the same from them tonight.
The Toronto Raptors have had some problems of their own. After two wins to start their season (Philadelphia and a 106-69 blowout of the Nets in NJ), the Raptors lost the next three (Boston, @ Milwaukee, and Orlando) before righting the ship with a slim 105-103 victory over Philadelphia last night. Bargnani is now coming off the bench to increase his offensive opportunities. After the 19 points (3-7 from 3) he dropped on the Bulls in the preseason, I'm pretty sure the last thing we want to see is more offensive output from him. The move also puts Rasho Nesterovic back in the starting lineup to bring more defense to the first unit. Toronto did get back to winning following this lineup shift, but the big difference in last night's game was Anthony Parker shaking off a three game slump to score 22 points. Raptor's star Chris Bosh has struggled from the field, shooting less than .400 for the season so far, but has attempted 14 and 18 free throws in their last two games respectively and is hitting 92.3% of his free throws so far.
This should be a fun game. Both teams have high expectations for the season, and both have been disappointed with their season so far. However, both are coming off of wins earned in pretty comptetitive games. The teams split 4 games last season, each winning once at home and once on the road. I say the better rested, home team gets the win tonight, providing a positive jump off into this year's version of the annual circus trip for the Bulls. Heck, I'm even going to go out on a limb and predict that the Bulls score an actual field goal in the final 4 minutes of the game tonight!
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Let's do this!
by sue369 on Nov 10, 2007 2:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Oh I forgot
by sue369 on Nov 10, 2007 3:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Does Tyrus start on Bosh tonight?
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 3:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bosh has been horrible
Better watch out for Ford too, he's a threat with his quick drives towards the basket and his play making ability.
I hope Wallace is finally healthy, I wanna see him push Bosh around. >:)
Toronto's got a good rotation going with their PG's with Calderon averaging 6 assists a game in just under 20 minutes a game. Hinrich might have his hands full tonite?
Im 60-40 in favor of the Bulls winning!
by AngryAsianAce on Nov 10, 2007 4:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I get the feeling...
by Kemp on Nov 10, 2007 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hinrich
by Sambossanova on Nov 10, 2007 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
We have to win tonight
by Option27 on Nov 10, 2007 4:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is already turning
Man, I hate Ohio State
by NittanyBull on Nov 10, 2007 7:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else
by sue369 on Nov 10, 2007 7:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
based on this start
by Seth on Nov 10, 2007 7:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not running down loose balls
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 7:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's early
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 7:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this is going to be interesting with them
by wjb1492 on Nov 10, 2007 7:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Calderon
That's IQ, baby.
by bpa on Nov 10, 2007 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody have the chicago broadcast
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 7:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Raptors Defense Looks Awful
by Seth on Nov 10, 2007 7:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is it me, or did BG all of a sudden pick up
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 7:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Big Ben's looking better
by wjb1492 on Nov 10, 2007 7:58 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
and by jumper, I mean any sort of shot
by Seth on Nov 10, 2007 8:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Talk about offensive futility
by wjb1492 on Nov 10, 2007 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A Thabo sighting?
by sue369 on Nov 10, 2007 8:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
they might want to start that play sooner
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 8:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
they have to slow the offesive tempo down
by lampnasty on Nov 10, 2007 8:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i haven't seen it.
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This might be the worst they've played
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 8:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
TT
by eross226 on Nov 10, 2007 8:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
all the road announcers i've heard this year
by Seth on Nov 10, 2007 8:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
hes making them look good tonight
by lampnasty on Nov 10, 2007 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wallace/Thomas/Nocioni/Deng/Hinrich
by NittanyBull on Nov 10, 2007 8:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
did the ref get the assist on that break?
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 8:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
uglee
by lampnasty on Nov 10, 2007 8:33 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that's the worst half of bulls basketball yet
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 8:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
But the good news
by wjb1492 on Nov 10, 2007 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The second
by sue369 on Nov 10, 2007 8:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
And maybe not. :-(
by sue369 on Nov 10, 2007 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
by Sambossanova on Nov 10, 2007 8:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
why waste time breaking down this game
by lampnasty on Nov 10, 2007 8:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
how did the raps go on a 9-1 run
by milesgmsu on Nov 10, 2007 8:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
this is Viktor's big chance
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 8:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It starts tonight
by NittanyBull on Nov 10, 2007 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
although that means time to turn off television
by lampnasty on Nov 10, 2007 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sefolosha
by NittanyBull on Nov 10, 2007 9:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bizarre Lineup
by Seth on Nov 10, 2007 8:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i understand
by lampnasty on Nov 10, 2007 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit
Attack the fuckin basket and draw fouls!
by AngryAsianAce on Nov 10, 2007 9:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
There really aren't words for this game.
by wjb1492 on Nov 10, 2007 9:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Makes me
by sue369 on Nov 10, 2007 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's even worse
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Tyrus on Bosh would be tough
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 9:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
no where.
by chicago-homesick-blues on Nov 10, 2007 9:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thabo's shot is getting worse
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 9:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bulls are way better than this...
Gonna switch to the Jazz game.
by AngryAsianAce on Nov 10, 2007 9:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
well
by Sambossanova on Nov 10, 2007 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell does soccer have to do with anything
what?
by AngryAsianAce on Nov 10, 2007 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would assume
If that's the case, his post makes sense.
by Chad on Nov 10, 2007 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
SEfolasha
by Sambossanova on Nov 10, 2007 9:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna assume...
"KOBE, KOBE!"
by Chad on Nov 10, 2007 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
im not looking forward to TBJ on monday ugh
by milesgmsu on Nov 10, 2007 9:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING!!!!
Off night!?!?!?!?!?!?
More like SHITTY TEAM!!!!!!
by Chad on Nov 10, 2007 9:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thabo finally scores....
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 9:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Gray up in this piece
by Seth on Nov 10, 2007 9:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This team is not same
I was so happy at the UC,last game.And I understand those booos from the crowd.
by Azabullsfan on Nov 10, 2007 9:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
there is no point of spending more than
by miserabull on Nov 10, 2007 9:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If gut this team for Kobe
I don't see any messages from Kobe haters so far.
by Azabullsfan on Nov 10, 2007 9:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Burning Questions
Will Skiles develop an ulcer?
Who will be in the starting lineup against the Suns?
by wjb1492 on Nov 10, 2007 9:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Good questions.
He'll probably use the same lineup as always.
by sue369 on Nov 10, 2007 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like they hit 60
by Jaina on Nov 10, 2007 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who cares?
by miserabull on Nov 10, 2007 9:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Right here.
by sue369 on Nov 10, 2007 9:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you dont know shit about basketball
by miserabull on Nov 10, 2007 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you're a loser
by sue369 on Nov 10, 2007 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
how old are you?
Keep cheering for teams that suck and take money from ignorant fans.
by miserabull on Nov 10, 2007 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It's called being
by sue369 on Nov 10, 2007 9:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I for one
by wjb1492 on Nov 10, 2007 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Have the bulls ever shot this well?
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 9:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
positives
by Sambossanova on Nov 10, 2007 9:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Such Cubs mentality
by miserabull on Nov 10, 2007 9:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What the fuck are you talking about?
by NittanyBull on Nov 10, 2007 9:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The bulls you dumb fuck..
by miserabull on Nov 10, 2007 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAH!
If they suck, and if I have a problem with it, I should shut up? Are you capable of making valid come-backs? Or are you an idiot who makes non-sensical arguments?
Did I hurt your feelings? :(
by NittanyBull on Nov 10, 2007 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will ban you soon
by your friendly BullsBlogger on Nov 13, 2007 10:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Get off this site..
by bullsfaninbigapple on Nov 11, 2007 12:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In Response to Rap's announcer
by Seth on Nov 10, 2007 9:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's a full moon tonight in Chicago!
by Jaina on Nov 10, 2007 9:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck Kobe
by AngryAsianAce on Nov 10, 2007 9:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
who will start vs Suns?
by GoldenThreePeat on Nov 10, 2007 9:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If
Skiles isn't connecting with his players whatsoever. I get the 5 player substitution, but not putting a single starter back in after 9 minutes left in the third is just being stubborn and trying to prove a lesson when he's just as much to blame.
by nas on Nov 10, 2007 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm wondering about Du for Kirk
by wjb1492 on Nov 10, 2007 10:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thabo finally hit a jumper
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 9:31 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Chicago Calves
by miserabull on Nov 10, 2007 9:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Why the hell are you here?
Oh, and, they're called the Chicago Bulls. A great team doesn't constitute making tons of money and sucking. That's a bad team.
You're also not smart.
by NittanyBull on Nov 10, 2007 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
who said i didnt like this team?
by miserabull on Nov 10, 2007 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not telling you to leave, I'm
If you try and make fun of me, please be witty enough than to just call names. Have I hurt your feelings? Are you this guy?
Oh and hey, I don't own the Bulls. I also don't own the Sox, Bears, Padres, Chargers, Steelers, Pistons, Bucks, Clips. But I might own the Cubs, but that's still on the down-low. Shh
by NittanyBull on Nov 10, 2007 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You asshole!
You're probably fucking Detroit fan.What are you doin' at this blog?Are you masohist and wanna be
fucked hard here?
Leave this site,ass.
by Azabullsfan on Nov 10, 2007 9:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't talk shit about a team i like?
by miserabull on Nov 10, 2007 9:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
I can drop all my negativity from 1-5 record and especially this game to
your brain.
by Azabullsfan on Nov 10, 2007 10:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Division 1 college players shoot better then this.
by RogersPark Kris on Nov 10, 2007 9:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Brewer (as opposed to Thabo)
by Sambossanova on Nov 10, 2007 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, 4 Minute Mark...
by Seth on Nov 10, 2007 9:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
O_0
by AngryAsianAce on Nov 10, 2007 9:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
speaking of big macs...
by Sambossanova on Nov 10, 2007 9:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure Miserabull is Boney in disguise
by NittanyBull on Nov 10, 2007 9:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
WHATB THE %@#^$Y^
by Sambossanova on Nov 10, 2007 9:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
we Knew that he couldn't shoot when we got him
by Seth on Nov 10, 2007 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't have a FGA or FTA
by NittanyBull on Nov 10, 2007 9:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hit the back button on box score
by NittanyBull on Nov 10, 2007 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Moron..
by miserabull on Nov 10, 2007 9:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, wittul baby =[
by NittanyBull on Nov 10, 2007 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
He has shown that he cannot prepare his team for the season.
by Chad on Nov 10, 2007 9:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think I agree
by Jaina on Nov 10, 2007 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Skiles has gotten WAAAY predictable....
And the icing on the cake is seeing Skiles sitting in his chair with that glazed-over straight ahead emotion-less gaze he does...
ugh....
by Bluelou on Nov 10, 2007 10:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
curious to see what Sam Smith has to say
by bullshooter on Nov 10, 2007 9:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wow...I just finished watching on TiVo...
From the coaching all the way down.
by Bluelou on Nov 10, 2007 9:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
if it's any consolation
by Seth on Nov 10, 2007 9:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Looks like game ball goes to Aaron Gray
Pretty depressing all around - Raps had more assists than Bulls had made baskets. It's going to be a long, tough week till they get on the court again. Can't wait to here Charles Barkley again with the next game on TNT.
Still love my team, though - and I have to keep believing it will get better, but I sure hope it's sooner rather than later.
by wjb1492 on Nov 10, 2007 9:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Gray's +/-
by Big D on Nov 10, 2007 10:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not
by wjb1492 on Nov 10, 2007 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This team is what many of us knew it would be
Lousy, lousy, lousy, lousy, better, and then the lousiest look of all season.
Just when you can't imagine it getting any more painful....it DOES.
And I'm glad I have TiVo so I can just FF and then just delete the rest.
Only problem is, I didn't delete it before I was mentally scarred by being exposed to "the matadors" (holy FAT COWS batman) doing their jelly-belly romp....I can't even BELIEVE they allow that to take place at the UC....
How can ANYONE find entertainment in that?
What a DISMAL night....sigh...
by Bluelou on Nov 10, 2007 10:14 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Its good not to have satellite tv for now
by KT on Nov 10, 2007 10:22 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Worst performance of the Skiles era
by Big D on Nov 10, 2007 10:42 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
can't remember a worse performance than this
The Bulls are always going to get up for games against them, with nothing Skiles does or doesn't do withstanding. The players would do that simply out of instinct, with NO one at the helm.
They got lucky when Sheed missed what he normally would and SHOULD have hit at the end, in which case the Bulls probably woulda lost instead.
So all in all, even though the Bulls have started slow in the last few years (in what has become as annual as the circus trip itself), they at least LOOKED better in the past years during the string of losses.
In these types of situations when things get this ugly, SOMETHING usually happens - either a coach being fired and / or a major trade going down.
The worst part - at least from what Pax has shown and said thus far - is that it appears that it's going to get a lot worse before ANYTHING happens.
And Chicago could be in for one really bitter cold and long winter in sports.
by Bluelou on Nov 10, 2007 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Any explanations for what is going wrong???
by bullsfaninbigapple on Nov 11, 2007 12:07 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
i was at the game and......
p.s. the game was difficult to watch in person
by tomcat on Nov 11, 2007 12:10 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
also..
by tomcat on Nov 11, 2007 12:12 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
They're fucking professional athletes. . .
by Big D on Nov 11, 2007 12:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eastern Conference Teams
50 wins or better this season is still technically possible, but the team has not shown much maturity or growth together yet? Paxson probably is not a happy camper right about now. He should take a short vacation, clear his mind, talk with his brother (Jim), and get away for a couple of days. He'll then have to make some honest assessments (or reassessments) of this situation, and then plot a strategy to get from A-2-B-2-C.
by exult463 on Nov 11, 2007 12:19 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I hope John Paxson doesn't talk to his brother!
by Big D on Nov 11, 2007 12:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ollie
I actually like Noc's 5-year contract, and Kirk's contract.
But, imo Skiles renewed contract was the worst signing in the Paxson's era, more-so than any other sigining or trade, or draft selection.
Paxson what's going on? you draft good guys from all winning programs, players that are acustom to winning, or winning it all. And then pair them with a control dictator coach who played in only 2 NBA playoff games as a reserve and basically hasn't won much of anything ("champsionships") in NBA, college or high school. Something has to give?
by exult463 on Nov 11, 2007 8:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Next year is
by sue369 on Nov 11, 2007 8:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Skiles won a high school championship
by tacojohn on Nov 11, 2007 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks..
Skiles comments in regards to removing the starters from the game show that he is over his head and ability...
"I never want to do that on a night when the boobirds are already out," Skiles said. "I don't like to embarrass the group like that. I thought I'd take a gamble right there to try to find a catalyst.
"Then it got so far out of hand so quickly that I would hate for somebody to come back in the game and get injured."
Why all 5 starters at once, or 4 of the 5 at once?
The "catalyst" is to let these guys run/push the ball a bit more, let basketball become a fun sport that it use to be to theses gym rats.
by exult463 on Nov 11, 2007 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The way they were playing, they deserved the bench
by bleargh on Nov 11, 2007 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why blame Skiles?
by AngryAsianAce on Nov 11, 2007 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm already on NBAdraft.net.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 11, 2007 12:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Think I might goto bed now.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 11, 2007 12:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Who needs Kobe
Go Bulls!
But for real. Everything about this team sucks.
by Chad on Nov 11, 2007 1:24 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
"KOBE"
This is different than the boos in the papers you see athletes occasionally complaining at wrigley field not only because basketball is a much more active team oriented game than baseball but because "Kobe" is such an indictment. The message is kind of F*** up: split up these scrubs who've been together for three years, we want you somewhere else, etc etc
I'm not objecting or even expressing my sympathies, I think big money athletes should know how to play through and I think it's kind of funny/admire our fans for being so demanding of big money athlete's being accountable.
by Seth on Nov 11, 2007 1:28 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
You know I think your right....
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 11, 2007 2:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
wasn't impressed.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 11, 2007 2:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
joejoe & seth
mentor, motivator, encourager, protector
or
public media basher, displaying public frustration for minor errors, a control dictator,
blaming everyone else for the failures.
Since you used a business analogy, I'll continue in your line of reasoning ... have you every worked for a control freak dictator boss? if not the environment and motivation is not very good in thoses situations.
(ya know a micro-mgr that calls every play,and tells the guards to always slow down when they try to run/push the ball up court because they can feel an internal tempo "explosive offense" inside their belly)
joejoe mentioned something about having "talented players". I agree they are talented. These same players weren't so mentally weak in winning college programs. So, is it so hard to see why they aren't performing now?
by exult463 on Nov 11, 2007 9:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No frappchinos..
by exult463 on Nov 11, 2007 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yea
by Sambossanova on Nov 11, 2007 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nocioni?
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Nov 11, 2007 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason
by exult463 on Nov 11, 2007 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Last night
by sue369 on Nov 11, 2007 8:14 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
hinrich verboten
Trade all midgets to development league. Wallace deal stinks and results in :4 players offense, 0.273FT% for 15 mil a year? Fuck it, let Gardener, Thabo, TT play more, at least they can give us something spectacular even if they loose. Skiles needs to be evaluated by health professional, possibly he needs a rest.
by runio on Nov 11, 2007 9:17 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
thabo?
by Sambossanova on Nov 11, 2007 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This team is actually entertaining
$60,000,000 doesn't get you much these days, does it? 3.5 pts 4.8 reb 1.5 ast 1.17 blk in 27 mpg
EAT SHIT, YOU NAIVE SUPER-POSITIVES!
by vlad001 on Nov 11, 2007 9:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Is that right?
I tried to find that quote of yours but couldn't do it. There was this though.
"They're 0-5 (If you think they're beating the Pistons on Thursday you need a lobotomy) and sinking".
They are very disappointing right now but I am not giving up on them.
by bashuck on Nov 11, 2007 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Save the hate
Yes, the Bulls suck. Of this we have abundant evidence. But we also have evidence that they are sucking to an uncharacteristic degree, and that they tend to pull out of these early season slumps.
I'm also curious as to where you voiced your lottery prediction, just as I'd like to know what "NBA circles" you hang with.
by Freethefro on Nov 11, 2007 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the fuckin' Celtics
by Option27 on Nov 11, 2007 11:26 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Paxson doesn't understand the NBA mantra
Not "character guys from winning programs who hustle." Not 60 million dollar, 6'6" centers who can't jump.
Why did they give up on Chandler? Why did they give him away for nothing and instead brought in a 60 million dollar "leader" who makes every offensive possesion 4v5. He can't even produce on defense anymore. The entire game is 4v5.
by vlad001 on Nov 11, 2007 1:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Now you are on to something
by chgobr on Nov 11, 2007 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
This is actually what worries me the most
by bigballa10 on Nov 11, 2007 5:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The most optimistic thing I can say
by bigballa10 on Nov 11, 2007 5:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
blah-effing-blah start slowly...
And on 're-dealing' with the Lakers. I believe that this was ALWAYS Pax's plan - but he did not expect that come December/January he'd be dealing from a WORSE position than in October.
The Lakers are actually playing some pretty good basketball at the moment, especially compared to Chicago.
by withmalice on Nov 11, 2007 6:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
by bigballa10 on Nov 11, 2007 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly chgobr,
No idea why people declared that basically swapping a tall kid with tremendous upside for an aging undersized athletic defensive specialist and paying him 50% more, was considered a 'good idea'. Only person who did well out of that deal is Ben Wallace, and purely from a financial viewpoint, 'cause the guy can't play.
Funny thing is, whilst we all sit around & criticize Pax on not pulling a trigger on Allen/Garnett/Kobe, the thing that's hurting the Bulls MOST at the moment is when he DID pull the trigger and worked towards getting Wallace.
I'm betting that if Chandler was still on this team, the entire group would have a bit more of a spring in their step.
And on Kirk/Luol complaining that the "Kobe" chants are a distraction and "sting". Grow a pair. You don't like it? Play with a chip on your shoulder, and get even. Worked well for Gilbert for oh-so-long, and Kobe himself never plays better than when he's feeling that he's been disrespected.
by withmalice on Nov 11, 2007 5:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

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