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  • First off, some strange ideas from Tuesday's Sun-Times:
    the Bulls should showcase a new-look backcourt at times that has 6-9 Luol Deng playing the two-guard and Ben Gordon getting even more minutes playing point.

    ''We feel like Lu's ball-handling has improved to the point that he's close to being ready to play a few minutes at the two [shooting guard],'' Skiles said. ''He can guard twos. That would allow us to put a big lineup on the floor. Ben Gordon, each year, he's got a few more point-guard minutes. Each year he's been a little bit better. So having him at the point guard spot for parts of the game is a very viable option for us.''

    With Thabo Sefolosha and Chris Duhon also in the backcourt mix, Skiles will watch training camp, which begins with two practices today, to see which players earn the extra minutes behind Kirk Hinrich and Gordon.

    ''There's a battle for backup backcourt minutes, there's no question about it,'' Skiles said. ''But, other than just a couple minor things like that, the good thing is we feel like we have to tinker a whole lot or experiment this year. Hopefully, that will be the case.''

    On the one hand, I'm liking the possibility that Skiles is looking to find more ways for his best players to stay on the court. However, I saw Luol as one of the potential post-up options for this team in the future, not moving his game farther away from the basket. And from what I remember it's not like his 3-point shooting showed improvement while playing internationally this summer (even with the shortened line). Thank You Isiah has more.
     

  • SBNation has a new NBA blog just in time for training camp: Third Quarter Collapse, blogging the Orlando Magic. See, this place is like Pax, drafting winners. Or something like that.
     
  • And speaking of new blogs, thanks to commenter Sue, who (between cutting out magazine ads depicting Kirk Hinrich) noticed that the Trib is running a Bulls/NBA blog this season. Right now it's just (the excellent) beat writer K.C. Johnson, but there's talk of 'we'. So unless K.C. is using the over-played royal 'we' of sportsblogging, might we be seeing posts from Sam Smith? I know he hates blogs, but he also once remarked at getting his material squeezed last winter due to Bears coverage in the Trib's sports section. Sam...the internet has a limitless capacity for trade speculation....think about it...
     
  • A former Bulls draftee had his number retired. In Spain. I'm sure that's they way Krause always envisioned it. (at least before pawning off those valuable rights).
     
  • Brandon Roy got hurt in the Blazers' first practice. He also played only 57 games last season. And he has a growth in his heel that will only go away with (yet undone) surgery. It's only a year so I won't do the draft hindsight game. But, as I recall, one of the knocks on him coming out was that he was potentially injury-prone. Sure, his skillset would've likely solved the Bulls backcourt rotation, but not from the trainers table.
     
  • And in another reference to Bulls hindsight: Etan Thomas takes 'bleeding heart' a bit to the extreme. Here's hoping the test results are more like Malik Allen and not like Eddy Curry. Remember that these heart scares are not created equal. Just a message to those who vilify Paxson as someone who sadistically tried to keep Eddy from earning a living.

     

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-The comments about Lu playing the two are interesting.  Who does Skiles plan to play in the larger lineup with Lu and BG7 in the backcourt?  I don't think that playing Lu at the 2 discourages any post-up game he might develop--in fact, it may allow him the mismatches to exploit a probable size advantage.  
-It's about time that the Tribune started a Bulls blog on their website.  It seems that they lagged a little bit behind last year on this aspect.  I hope KC will provide some quality information throughout the season.
-About Brandon Roy.  One of Simmons' big complaints last year about the Bulls was not drafting Brandon Roy.  As Matt mentions, it is conceivable he could have solved the problem the Bulls had with size in the backcourt, but the backcourt was still a position of strength for the Bulls.  They thought they had a long-term solution in Thabo available later (amazing what can happen when you have flexibility with draft picks) and had a bigger problem in the frontcourt they needed to solve and available players with better potential (uh oh, that damn word creeping in).  As good as Brandon Roy may become, I think that TT has the opportunity to have a greater impact on the game on both ends of the floor.
-I think the Bulls have another level they can reach as a defensive team.  With Noah and the improvement of TT, if the Bulls could field longer, faster lineups with Big Ben, along with better continuity from having a season together, the Bulls could harasss opponents fullcourt.  I would like to see the Bulls hold opponents to the lowest field goal % in the league this year.  I think with some modest improvements to the offense (which should come from the improvement of the core and the young'uns, the Bulls can fulfill some of these lofty preseason prognostications.

by stevekerrsfloppyhair on Oct 3, 2007 12:39 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've got no problems with Deng at the 2,
But I really don't want to see Gordon playing the point any more than he did last year.  I know he likes to think of himself as a point guard, but he commits enough turnovers as it is.

by Big D on Oct 3, 2007 1:56 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BG at Pt
I'm scared of the prospect of BG at point. He loses the ball way too much. I also worry for Kirk's minutes. He seems to be getting more comfortable in his role as leader of this team. One more Chris Paul is lightyears ahead of Kirk talk and I will slit my wrists.
醉生梦死

by blackmage71 on Oct 3, 2007 3:31 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hear you brother.
I lived in New Orleans during his rookie year.  You'd think he was Magic Johnson and John Stockton all rolled up into one.
Get that out of Tyrus' House!!!!

by cubbybear on Oct 3, 2007 6:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you're right
perhaps there's an even bigger unit of measurement than light years....

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 3, 2007 6:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Curious Suggestions
Me no like either of these.

I was hoping this is the year Kirk breaks out to fully show the promise that earned him that contract: he'll be stronger and more refreshed, and he'll be smarter and more skilled (and with another year, get more respect from the refs) to avoid foul trouble. If that happens, there's very few minutes I want to see BG at the point.

Does this also suggest less committment to Thabo? There's no reason we should see Lu at guard if you're trying to give Thabo more minutes this year.

I suppose moving Lu down a position allows our glut of forwards more time. Maybe Skiles is really considering how to give us more Ty and Noah.

I don't want to see Billups & Hamilton push our backcourt around--I'd love our guards to demolish them this year. But I'm counting on an improving Thabo for help with that, not Lu.

by T Maple on Oct 3, 2007 7:00 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

McGraw has more on the two guard thing
Mike McGraw had this comment from Skiles:

Now that he's back at Bulls training camp, coach Scott Skiles feels Deng has shown enough improvement to spend a few minutes playing shooting guard this season. A year ago, Skiles treated that suggestion as a ridiculous idea.

"It was a ridiculous notion and now it's not," Skiles said. "Things change. Guys get better. They make progress. Watching him this summer, he made a lot of two guard-type movements and plays. If we can make it work a little bit, it allows us to put a very big lineup on the floor."

So someone was either at the games or watching tape of Lu's play overseas.  It's all probably part of  a plan to play "tall" ball every once in a while.

England payback has fringe benefits for Deng

I hope they were watching Thaho, too.  But not the rap vids on Youtube.

by KT on Oct 3, 2007 7:54 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow!
I don't think I've ever cut out an ad or picture of Kirk but maybe I should start. ;-)

Count me in with the ones who do not want to see BG play the point on this team. What is the purpose of having BG at the point if Lu plays the 2 spot? Is there a reason why Kirk can't be at the point if Lu plays the 2?

I was hoping Thabo would have improved enough to take over some time at the 2.

Guess we'll get a chance on Tues. to see how they look.

by sue369 on Oct 3, 2007 9:24 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm still mad
I can't take off work and go to the game.

Stupid training.  Can't leave early, or come in late the next day.  I'm still tempted. The Bulls and Bucks playing in my home town when La Crosse is at it's prettiest.  Nothing like fall along the Mississippi Bluffs.

I just hope none of them go out drinking.  People tend to fall in the Mississippi around there.

by KT on Oct 3, 2007 9:33 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would
suck to be that close and not get to see the game. Maybe it will work out for you.

by sue369 on Oct 3, 2007 10:55 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well now I kind of feel bad
that I did tear out that latest Converse ad of Kirk to put on my bulletin board.  (Kidding, but I did seriously think about it...)
"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Oct 3, 2007 10:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like Lu at the 2 with Kirk at the 1
This makes more sense than BG at the 1.  It could be Kirk, Lu, TT, Noah and Big Ben when we need a big lineup.  It would not be easy scoring on the inside with this group on the floor.

by chgobr on Oct 3, 2007 11:41 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wait...kirk's in ads?
;-)

i like thabo at the 3....point forward style

by milesgmsu on Oct 3, 2007 11:54 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No Post-Up
Who says Deng can't go down in the post at the two?  Mark Jackson made a career out of being a point guard that scored points in the post.  Jason Kidd's done a good job of it as well.
I could see an effective line-up of Smith/Noah=C, Ben=4, TT/Thabo=3, Lu=2 and Ben/Kirk=1.  Clearly, it's a specialty line up but, at the very least Matt, it will conceivably reduce the prevalance of our 'Small' lineup.  
I think there are times where such a lineup could be a positive.  It seems as though Skiles understands that Lu is a Forward that can play out of place on rare occasions.  That seems sensible to me so long as noone gets carried away and pretends that Lu can be our M2GWCD&S.  
One things for sure: if anything, such a move would make it more likely that Lu could take his game down to the post.  Especially, if Tyrus and Ben are on the court.
"...Keeping 'SlowHand' alive since aught-five"

by CookDing on Oct 3, 2007 9:52 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's a good point
although maybe opponents would just stick the bigger man on Deng anyway and put their worse defender on Tyrus or Thabo. But that means it's lob-to-tyrus time.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 3, 2007 10:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Deng at 2
might also mean Thabo at 3, where he seemed to play more confidently last year.  A lineup of Kirk, Deng, Thabo, Tyrus and Big Ben would be pretty formidable and hearken back to the days of the dobermans from the early 90's.  
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Oct 3, 2007 10:19 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Deng at 2
would also make it a lot easier for him to post his man given the right matchup.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Oct 3, 2007 10:20 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not very logical
Deng at 2 means Nocioni at 3. Just saying Deng is a guard, then sticking Thabo in there to not play offense means bigger defenders will be able to stick with Deng.

by hscs on Oct 3, 2007 10:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd envisaged it as more of a running team
but you are probably about Noc at 3 then.  
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Oct 3, 2007 10:51 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love this
seeing how I thought of this last season. I hope it works. I really think BG does better with the ball in his hands. I mean he's going to get the ball from Kirk anyways. Seems like a short cut. If Kirk plays as weak as he did last season then it was a mistake to give him that big contract. I wonder who came up with playing Loul at the 2? I would think it was Paxson. I really wished they would have done this against the Pistons in the playoffs.

by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 3, 2007 10:24 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

jerry krause
thought of it while he planned the downfall of the team so that he would have health problems, leave, and rule from the shadowns

mwahahahaha

by milesgmsu on Oct 3, 2007 11:52 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Give BG the rock
he won a national championship at UCONN playing the point.  He is our best scorer.  He is too small to match up against other 2s.  Playing him at the one, especially if Deng is at the 2 causing a mismatch puts the ball in the hands of our playmaker (ala Arenas).  His turnovers pale in comparison to the upside of him having the ball.  He is the only person who puts pressure on the D when he has the ball, with him at point that pressure will be constant, no more passing around aimlessly cause BG can penetrate or rain 3s.  

I personally think that BG makes a better point guard than Kirk for the above reasons (Kirk as trade bait?)... although I hope they sign BG to an extension, not doing so may push the Bulls to use him more creatively while motivating him to shoot the lights out (and win the finals)  

by Zac23 on Oct 3, 2007 1:33 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He didn't play the point at UConn, either.
Go back and look it up.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Oct 3, 2007 2:07 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just
threw up a little in my mouth.

by sue369 on Oct 3, 2007 2:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now Hey....
I think that's a bit much.  I don't want BG playing significant time at the point because of his turnover issues, but when Ben's focused, he's not too bad at the PG spot, mainly because by virtue of his scoring abilities, he causes guys to double him up and opens some easy shots for others.....

Unfortunately though, Ben also tends to go in funks where he'll get 2-3 horrible turnovers in a row.....

I will say that each year it seems Gordon's ball handling skills have improved tremendously.  I mean he was AWFUL in that regard as a rookie.  He still makes the mistakes, but given his rep as a hard worker in the offseason and his strides in the ball handling dept, I would like to see BG in at PG for 10 MPG--allowing Kirk a rest and giving us time to try a BG-Deng-Noc, BG-Thabo-Deng, BG-Deng-Thomas set of lineups.  I'd like to see Thomas become more of an explosive SF in time, but of course he needs a lot of help to get there (he might have more athleticism than anyone in the field including James--but he hardly has their all around bball IQ or skills).

by majoyenrac on Oct 3, 2007 3:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just don't
have the warm fuzzies about BG at the point that you do.

by sue369 on Oct 3, 2007 3:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We'll see
I like BG at the point over Duhon.  I know Duhon's got solid D (and handles the ball better than Gordon), but when Duh's out there the offense tends to disintegrate.

The few times last year where Ben played PG and stayed focused, the offense did actually look pretty fluid.

The problem was also that Ben would decide after making one or two solid plays to get all fancy and then he'd quickly wrack up 2 or 3 turnovers that would cause him to be ineffective....that to me is a learning curve, and something I hope by watching tape and working at his game he can correct......the concern here of course is if Ben doesn't get his extension before the season he might try to be more flashy than he needs to be.  For every 1 or 2 awesome flashy pg-ish play he makes, he'll make .5 god awful turnovers.

by majoyenrac on Oct 3, 2007 4:00 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The 2008 NBA Finals, 15 years after John
Paxson hit one of the most memorable shots in NBA history.  Game 7 and Bulls down by 1, three seconds remaining in 4th qtr, Deng with the ball draws a double team defense, has to pass the ball to the player playing PG for the winning shot.  And the shot is off in time?  Who would you want to take that clutch shot?  Kirk or Ben?  

by exult463 on Oct 3, 2007 4:52 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"has to pass the ball"
That's a problem right there. Also, who cares?

by hscs on Oct 3, 2007 5:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why can't he pass to the player playing
shooting guard?  Or power forward?  Apparently, the only way Deng will know that he can pass to an open Gordon is if BG plays PG?  

As long as he's not passing to Ben Wallace for a 3 pointer, I'm good with whoever takes that shot.

"They had me do a psychology test and I asked Coach Skiles if that affected his coaching. He laughed and said, `No way.'" (Joakim Noah)

by wjb1492 on Oct 3, 2007 9:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to be negative
but BG was 1 for 8 last year in that situation.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Oct 3, 2007 11:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like how
you not only measure clutchiness, but just last season's clutchiness. And what about Gordon leading the team in postseason +/-? Isn't that clutchy enough for ya?

by hscs on Oct 4, 2007 8:53 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how does +/- have anything to do with clutch?
maybe we should define what "clutchiness" is.  What was BG's +/- in situations where he took the last shot to win or tie the game last year?  I bet it wasn't nearly as + as his numbers for the rest of the game.
Nocioni-Khryapa in '08

by bullshooter on Oct 7, 2007 10:28 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am fairly certain that is just the standard
"editorial we" utilized by all newspapers.

But you should invite Sam the Sham to post here.

by 1958ChiTown on Oct 3, 2007 5:03 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Less Duhon
As long as this stuff means less Duhon and Griffin (instead of less Thabo), then great.  I'd rather see a Gordan-Deng backcourt in spurts than any backcourt with Skiles' beloved "Du".

by bigballa10 on Oct 3, 2007 6:54 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

agreed
And Griff's already in midseason form with the bad back.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 3, 2007 6:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now that's hilarious
Sorry, I was just reading the site and I saw your post on Griff and thought it was too funny.  I'm thrilled that we gave away JR Smith so that we can sign Griffin for 2 years and too much cash.

I actually could see the reasonings behind trading JR Smith, but I don't get why we couldn't wait for fear of losing Griffin in free agency.  By the second week of the season, I already forgot he was on our team.

by majoyenrac on Oct 3, 2007 11:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah
I was fine with pawning off J.R. Smith (and 2 second rounders isn't 'nothing'), but giving Griffin 3 years guaranteed was just lunacy.

by your friendly BullsBlogger on Oct 4, 2007 12:04 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Those 3 years of incedible leadership and
intangibles will be the reason the Bulls win a championship.  Letting Griffin go was Paxson's biggest mistake, and clearly set the team back a whole season.  The team won 47 games with Griff and 41 without him, so just having Griff is worth six wins.  No one contributes more to a team from injured reserve than Griff.  How could Paxson pass up the opportunity to sign the league's most valuable bench warme?

by Scotter on Oct 4, 2007 11:12 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MVB? er. W?
I'm sorry for all the intangibles, gritty play and winner attitude that Griffin injects into this team, he's still a step behind Mark Madsen.  First of all, when it comes to bench warming, that guys absolutely LOCKED to the bench.  I mean, he never backs down by stepping on to the court.  And the towel-waving? it's a thing of beauty.  The guys like 5-time reigning MVBw.  Love ya, Griff but Madsen's the MAN.  What's his +/- on the bench, I wonder?
"...Keeping 'SlowHand' alive since aught-five"

by CookDing on Oct 4, 2007 12:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So quick to forget the master.
We won three titles with Jack Haley's hall of fame bench warming. He willed Jordan to overcome the flu and single handled kept Rodman in check.
"If you're not going to compete, then I'll dominate you." MJ

by Rankdog on Oct 5, 2007 9:36 AM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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