The what I feel may happen Eastern Conference Preview
Yes, the idea that I spend more time thinking and researching the Bulls, and therefore find more reasons to like them, while limiting my exposure to the rest of the conference and holding more unfounded opinions about their capabilities, is absolutely true. So I won't take it personal if you question some of these assessments. I will take it personal if you call me a 'hater'. Luckily this is a Bulls-centric site so nobody will care if I 'hate' with 'haterade' on some other team. God I hate that word.
15. Philadelphia - This has been echoed many places, but there's always a problem when a franchise fails to build a great team around it's "star", yet the same people are left in charge to lead the rebuilding afterwards. Like Minnesota, the problem with rebuilding isn't trading away your best asset, but being stuck with the mid-level talent that have been accumulated along the way. So Philly is still stuck with guys like Dalembert, Korver, Green, Ollie...not exactly the blueprint for a rebuilding project. But as rebuilding is just a nice way to say 'bad', I suppose it fits anyway. Bad coach alert.
14. Charlotte - M. Jeff's crony squad will be bad again, as his drinkingbuddy/coach is taking a huge leap in terms of career path. If only owner Bob Johnson realized that the worth of owning an NBA team is in franchise valuation and not year-to-year profits, he'd use his team's advantageous cap position to get in some frontcourt reinforcements. Perhaps they're just deciding it's not worth tying up vets to block their young core, but I'm not too impressed with that either. Their two best players (Okafor and Wallace) are injury-prone, Morrison is a bust and Felton hasn't improved as a shotmaker. I like the Richardson acquisition more than most, but there's just not enough to be a good team and they will suffer even more injuries than the May&Morrison ones of the preseason.
13. Atlanta - If only they had a real front office, these guys may have the best talent package for Kobe, not the Bulls. Although Kobe would veto that, anyway. If this was the same old weak East (J.V., as you'll hear Stephen A. Smith yell at you frequently this year) they would've fared better. But despite trying to address it they likely have no answers right away at point guard and interior defense (I won't say 'center', because Zaza Pachulia's my guy). I always think when you're talking about a possible playoff team you look to the coach, and I have no idea if Mike Woodson is a bad coach, but until he proves he's a good one I can't expect much. Al Hortford could be reason enough to be excited, but being excited just means you get a high priority on my league pass, not that you'll win much.
12. New York - The theory on Bulls Beat is that Eddy Curry was able to reduce his foul rate so much last season because he must've been explicitly told not to play defense (as fouling is his only way of playing defense). Luckily for Isiah, Zach Randolph doesn't need to be told not to play defense to get the same result. Sure, there's no more future draft picks coming from New York, but I think we'll still find the usual hatred to guide us through rooting against this squad. They're just going to be so bad on defense, and couple that with the usual Knick-things they'll do, it'll be yet another trip to the lottery. Luckily this time Pax won't be hijacking the bus on that trip.
11. Indiana - The most annoying part of the whole 'are them dimwitted hicks of Indiana making moves based solely on their racism' saga is that the trade with the Warriors wasn't that bad of a trade. They had to pay a premium to get a lunatic like Stephen Jackson out of town, Ike Diogu is a good prospect, and save for one additional contract year (and better offensive rebounding) I consider Troy Murphy to be just as average as Al Harrington. Good for the mad scientist that is Don Nelson in getting a lot out of the former Pacers, but to paint that trade as being so lopsided that only non-basketball forces could've been solely responsible...it's just crap. That doesn't mean this team will be very good, as their 'star' is declining rapidly offensively and they have little firepower in the first place. I like new coach Jim O'Brien's style of 'if you play defense, I'll let you chuck all you want on offense', so at least for a bad team like this it'll make things more fun. Hopefully O'Neal stays healthy so that he can be pawned off on a desperate team looking for a 'star', and in this case the quotes should be especially emphasized. I suppose being eleventh may be considered a surprise, but a bad team can beat other bad teams when they have a decent coach.
10. Milwaukee - Based on an extremely small view of preseason minutes, I don't think Yi will be that bad. He's huge, mobile, and seems to understand the game well enough, that's a hell of a start. Remember that Yao looked abysmal in his first dozen games, so I won't freak out right away if he puts up bad numbers. I'm more worried for their frontcourt rotation as a whole, as neither Yi, CharlieV, nor Bogut are good defenders, and while they signed Mason and retained Bell to help their perimeter D, that won't be quite good either. They'll win some shootouts and likely be the opponent of another 50-point barrage from Ben Gordon.
9. New Jersey - Anti-Bulls elixir. The fiery pit of hatred for Scott Skiles that lies within Jason Kidd is in the 87th percentile of most powerful elements on the planet. But he has to slow down eventually, Jefferson seems to be hurt too often, and so beyond those games where they'll scare the crap out of the Bulls I don't see them having enough to get much better than .500. The early loss of Marcus Williams hurts as this team was shallow on bench even when healthy. I also don't get the excitement over the return of Nenad Kristic, who is not a 'low-post' player but a non-rebounding jumpshooter. He'll help, sure, but a frontcourt rotation of Kristic, Collins, Maggloire, and Boone? yipes. Maybe Sean Williams puts on his Tyrus Thomas shoes, that could be their only hope.
8. Toronto - This is based on little, but I see this team being like the '05-'06 Bulls, a year after shocking the league and finishing with a high seed, they struggle to make the playoffs. It just seems like a lot of things went right last year, including health (until the late Garbajosa injury last season). Bosh has had an ominous summer with talks of balky knees, Garbajosa did what we feared Nocioni would do and truncated his rehab for make glorious nation of Argentina, and I'm worried that their primary (and depending on your Delfino leanings, only) wing defender, Anthony Parker, is 32. Jose Calderon may be their best trade chip but I'd hold on to him knowing the injury history of T.J. Ford. Unless Bargnani dramatically improves his rebounding that facet of the game will be an issue for the Raps as well.
7. Washington - Ernie Grunfeld has made some schrewd moves in the past, so I've often tried to come up with trade scenarios with Washington, only to sadly (for my own make-believe-GM amusement) find out that this team is very shallow. They only have thirteen players under contract, and one of those is Etan 'bleeding heart' Thomas. Perhaps his absence will inspire nemesis Brendan Haywood, although I think part of their personality clash is that nothing inspires Brendan Haywood. But as one of the few players keeping their team defense unterrible, it's best that he plays, even half-assed. This team may be even more reliant on their 'big 3' than the Celtics, so I don't see them having much margin for error and needing big seasons from youngsters like Nick Young and Andray Blatche while hoping Jamison and Daniels don't decline. Don't worry though Wiz fans, Chris Sheridan thinks you'll be alright.
6. Miami - This would've been a lot lower last week, but the acquisition of Ricky Davis and Mark Blount gives the Heat much-needed firepower with the early-season absence of Dwyane Wade, who in Miami Heat tradition had his surgery later than necessary and will miss part of the season. Wade seems the type of player whose style will always cause him to be out here and there with injuries, and we know Shaq is already on that path as he gracefully starts his retirement while still making $20m a year. Even with Davis and Blount they're still a thin roster and too thin to win many games when their stars are absent. And the Bulls will absolutely pound them, which will be fun.
5. Orlando - Lewis will help, Van Gundy will help even more, and this team will be pretty good. Everyone's pegging Jameer Nelson to have a bounceback year, and I have no reason to doubt it, or maybe I should just replace 'bounceback' with 'contract'. This is a team that gives Bulls fits because of Dwight Howard, who clowns Ben Wallace on a regular basis. The things holding Howard back from dominating this conference is his obscenely high turnover rate and low foul shooting. But even with no progress in those areas (and he will progress considering he's 21) he'll keep Orlando's defense above average and hope that Lewis can dramatically help shoulder the scoring load. This is another team that is very thin, and have several players who have been injury-plagued in the past like Ariza, Turkoglu, Reddick, and Dooling.
4. Boston - One particularly annoying passage of Kobe talk was some dope (I won't bother re-looking it up) pondering that if the Bulls got Kobe would it mean their new big three of Kobe, Wallace, and Deng (or Hinrich, I dunno) could match the Celtics. Because the point is to compare everyone's best few players instead of the entire team, I guess? This team will be fine, and Garnett will be spectacular (remember how even his lame Minny teams have handled the Bulls recently), but I see a season where nothing major goes wrong, but a bunch of little things do. Like Pierce missing a few games, Allen missing a dozen, Rondo being bad for a stretch (I think he's a bad fit in general: they won't run much and will be needing a shooter not a distributor in that spot), and a few Doc in-game screwups. And I don't think they have that much margin for error. Then the legions of Celtics blogs will say "well we'll be ok for the playoffs, the rotations are smaller and stars win games blah blah blah" on their way to 47 wins or so. Problem being Doc will overplay team GAP too much and they're drained come playoff time. Ok, perhaps not Garnett, but is it just me or would you rather have Deng/Gordon than Pierce/Allen at this stage of their careers? I think a iso-heavy team like this will do ok with a lack of depth at PG (I see Eddie House, if healthy, doing quite well), but they are very thin up front. As the saying goes: Perkins and Pollard and pray for someone besides Scott Pollard.
3. Cleveland - If you meet someone who says this was a one-man team, and uses that assertion to suggest that you need only one player to win the East, do me a favor and put a plastic bag over their head. Cleveland's team defense was almost as stingy as the Bulls last season, and despite Gilbert Arenas' opinion, are more of the 'grind it out' team than the Bulls, especially with the 'give the ball to LeBron and stand' offense. They have several quality players beyond LeBron, and while I don't buy much into overrated/underrated talk, I'd put Zydrunas Ilgauskas in the latter category. But he's going to be 32, and without Pavlovic and Varejao they're going to be relying even more on Z, Marshall (34), Hughes (29), Jones (31), and Snow (34) who are all some combination of old, hurt, and bad. I'm assuming the foreign standoff will end soon enough, but there will still be a re-acclimation process and by then the top seed may be out of reach. And they don't seem the team (following their leader) to be show much urgency in the regular season anyway.
2. Detroit - I'm biased, I plain hate these guys (damnit, there's that word). It was very depressing to watch the Bulls, who played them well enough during the regular season, look overmatched and lose 3 straight to them in the playoffs. I'm not unconvinced that a healthier Ben Wallace (and some rotation changes from Skiles) could've closed the gap in that series, but it's tough to come up with excuses for such an asskicking. But I will predict doom because of their meltdown against Cleveland and the lack of action that followed in the offseason. Perhaps their best chance is indeed to keep everyone together, but that just means to me that they'll always to susceptible to yet another blowup between Rasheed Wallace and Flip Saunders. The hope is that a new bench filled with youngsters (and I don't get why Maxiell and Amir Johnson seem to be getting more hype than Tyrus Thomas and Joakim Noah) will fend off the culture of entitlement in Detroit, but they've shown recently to be the same old arrogant asswipes they've been the past few years.
1. Chicago - After a whole summer of yelping that the Bulls do not need major improvements to win the East, we finally get to see if that's actually true or we're just fooling ourselves. It's a rare position the Bulls are in, this may be one of the best versions of this team we'll see, given that Ben Wallace is still playing at a high level. But it's also a roster where every other major contributor ('cept Nocioni) is not yet in their prime. They're deeper and more familiar with each other than last season, so merely by avoiding an early-season slump and getting a little of that luck that eluded them last year will boost their win total enough for a #1 seed. If I wrote this before Aaron-Grayte, it'd be a lot more optimistic. Overall, I think the conference is far better than last year, and boasts fewer turkeys than the top-heavy West. That means that a lot of the wins that we all used to pencil (pen) in for the Bulls, usually against the Atlantic Division, may be more difficult to get. Luckily the Bulls are better this season as well, and while the offseason additions to the frontcourt will help, it'll be the development of Deng and Thomas that can vault this team over Cleveland and Detroit, two teams whose defense, rebounding, and general size advantage really gives the Bulls problems (Orlando's another one). It's all talk now, but the hope is that the Bulls don't need to conform their style to a 'star' system, if they win these players will be anointed as such.
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Nice preview, but I have a question...
I am assuming the former.
by 1958ChiTown on Oct 29, 2007 9:44 PM CDT 0 recs
yes, the former
Also, I'm ignoring the seeding rules.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Oct 29, 2007 10:05 PM CDT
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perhaps i may help
HAHA!
by milesgmsu on
Oct 30, 2007 2:27 PM CDT
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Eastern Conference
He also has an interesting take on this season's rookies. He says Joakim Noah has a chance to make the biggest impact, although he sees Kevin Durant winning the Rookie of the Year award. He rates Noah behind Durant and Al Horford.
by SlamDunk on
Oct 30, 2007 6:23 PM CDT
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if they win these players will be anointed
No one can know just HOW things would go with a major trade, but these guys have essentially grown up together and it would be cool if it could all come to fruition.
No one deserves it more than these guys.
by Bluelou on Oct 29, 2007 10:09 PM CDT 0 recs
Two thoughts..
by Rankdog on Oct 29, 2007 10:12 PM CDT 0 recs
Hinrich's right on the edge of his prime,
by Scotter on
Oct 29, 2007 10:56 PM CDT
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yep
by CookDing on
Oct 30, 2007 7:40 AM CDT
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I really
by sue369 on
Oct 30, 2007 7:44 AM CDT
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Prime numbers.
His first 4 season his PER has trended upwards.
13.12
15.30
15.56
17.09
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/players/hollinger?statsId=3710
Maybe I am wrong but at this point I think what you see is what you get with Kirk. I expect him to maintain his current level of performance for about 4 years and then (at age 30) we will see a downward trend in his stats. Again this is my opinion and not absolute fact.
by Rankdog on
Oct 30, 2007 5:56 PM CDT
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Agreed!!!
Wht not? Kirk, Deng, Noah, Nocioni, Thomas, Gordon....not that's a winning line up
John
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by sivanjohn on Oct 29, 2007 10:32 PM CDT 0 recs
Good Rankings but...
Especially Toronto, I just have this feeling they will be very good this year.
TJ Ford when healthy can be one dangerous playmaker and facilitate their fast-paced offense with Bosh, an improving Bargiani, Dixon, and I think can make great use of Kapono's sharp three point shooting.
Atlanta has a lot of depth in the Forwards spots;
I think Horford will be a force for the team.
Although they still gotta establish that PG spot.
As much as I hate to admit it, I think New York will play better this year with a healthy Crawford and Richardson who will probably get more open looks with those two trash players (Curry and Randolph) roaming the paint.
I really like that David Lee guy, he plays hard and is a consistent 10-10 guy off the bench.
I still respect Detroit, I think its between them and the Bulls for #1 in the East.
Cleveland aint done anything and Sideshow Bob (Varejao) shouldn't be asking for so much money because he thinks hes hot shit.
That Gibson was crazy in the playoffs, maybe he has finally seen the light and will become Lebron's main right hand man that Hughes couldn't do??
by AngryAsianAce on Oct 30, 2007 12:51 AM CDT 0 recs
Quentin Richardson will be healthy?
Gibson has a decent chance to be the next B.J. Armstrong.
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Oct 30, 2007 9:38 AM CDT
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Is being the next BJ
by KT on
Oct 30, 2007 10:23 AM CDT
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well it depends
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Oct 30, 2007 10:38 AM CDT
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Depends
by bullshooter on
Oct 30, 2007 11:45 AM CDT
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Benjamin Roy Armstrong Jr.
I always remember the "almost fight" that him and KJ got into :)
by ScottieCartwright on
Oct 30, 2007 1:39 PM CDT
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He hit the big shots and managed the team
If it weren't for "the call" that year....(sigh)
by Bluelou on
Oct 30, 2007 2:45 PM CDT
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are you talking about Pete Myers?
by bullshooter on
Oct 30, 2007 3:55 PM CDT
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I remember Myers too...
But during the first post Jordan year ('93-'94), weren't the starting guards BJ and Pax?
I thought Meyers came off the bench the first year...?
by Bluelou on
Oct 30, 2007 4:16 PM CDT
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Armstrong and Pete
by Scotter on
Oct 30, 2007 4:21 PM CDT
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Wow...I AM getting old...
Guess maybe that's partly why he was gone after that season...
by Bluelou on
Oct 30, 2007 4:40 PM CDT
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Of course, that was also before satelite NBA
Not living in Chicago, I wasn't able to get serious about watching until I got DSS in 1995.
by Bluelou on
Oct 30, 2007 4:45 PM CDT
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he was gone
Also, it was the last year of the contract.
BJ started during the 1992-1993 season, and Pax didn't play in every game of the 1992-1993 season.
by KT on
Oct 30, 2007 8:18 PM CDT
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BJ was an all star that year
by haze on
Oct 31, 2007 8:16 AM CDT
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Toronto
by Azabullsfan on Oct 30, 2007 4:58 AM CDT 0 recs
Not feeling toronto
by haze on Oct 30, 2007 9:40 AM CDT 0 recs
Boston and Miami shifts...
As far as Boston, I thought just what you did until I caught some tape of Rondo - he looked rather good. I agree that they will want a shooter, but Ray Allen is clearly that (if not much else anymore) and Rondo should get some easy buckets for the 'supporting cast'. I expect them to finish second behind the Bulls after the Pistons melt down (they should sell tickets to the Sheed Flip Battle Royal that is coming) and the Cavs prove what the Bears are proving - riding a wave and catching some breaks doesn't make you good, even if it puts you in the championship, it just means you are riding a wave and catching some breaks.
by cstan123 on Oct 30, 2007 10:42 AM CDT 0 recs
Miami
Kapono's outside shooting will be missed a bit, but adding a true scorer in Davis will more than suffice.
The hated James Posey's D will be missed and nice contributions from time to time off the bench....
But a lineup of:
Jason Williams-Smush Parker sharing the point
Wade at SG
Davis at SF with Penny assisting these 2 from time to time
Haslem at PF backed by Wright/Blount
and of course Shaq/Mourning/Blount at Center are a nice lineup.
They might struggle to be a bit below .500 to start the year until Wade gets back, but if Ricky Davis can buy into the team concept, having him alongside Shaq and a healthy Wade will be one of the better 1,2,3 punches in the league (even if we Bulls fans love to hate the Heat).
The Davis/Blount trade was a huge coup for them and will guarantee them a return to the playoffs at least. I'd stick them in as the Atlantic winner now for sure. They will be a bit tougher than last year's squad to sweep too.
Shaq might be older, but he'll be more motivated coming from a public divorce and all the talk that he's washed up.....sure he ain't what he was 3 years ago, but he's hardly bad and still is in the top 3 Centers in the East....
by majoyenrac on
Oct 30, 2007 1:14 PM CDT
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I meant SouthEast
by majoyenrac on
Oct 30, 2007 1:16 PM CDT
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Miami
by SlamDunk on
Oct 30, 2007 6:31 PM CDT
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Shaq
Shaq's still a decent facilitator and he is still unstoppable in the low post....that helps to get easy buckets--even when Shaq has trouble keeping that pace up for 35 minutes.
Wade will take a bit to come back, but come on to say he's an injury waiting to happen is ridiculous. He plays with an all out style, but had it not been for that shoulder injury (which was tough to watch) he's hardly been an "injury waiting to happen", he plays through the minor ones and even with those (the knee issues during the Pistons series in the past) Wade is still pretty unstoppable.
I know I hate Riley and the Heat, but I do think that Ricky Davis is a huge pickup for them. Jason Williams will now not be required to play 30 MPG with Smush in the lineup (Smush can defend and might help facilitate with 3 guys who can score at will, instead of one who's a ball hawk).....PG isn't Miami's strength but they are hardly awful at PG now.
And Mourning still won't be forced to play starter's minutes because if Shaq goes down, they'll have a very servicable Mark Blount.
In the playoffs (which they'll surely make), I'd say the group of Wade-Davis-Shaq are a nice combo as they have 1 unstoppable (unless you're Hinrich) guard and 1 unstoppable inside guy (Shaq) and now have a 15-18 PPG scorer to boot who will open things up much more than Antoinne Walker did.
I'm a big Bulls fan, but I have to say Riley worked some magic saving his teams season and making them seem at least competitive for a 4-8 seed in the East.
by majoyenrac on
Oct 31, 2007 7:36 AM CDT
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I think
by duaneo88 on Oct 30, 2007 11:14 AM CDT 0 recs
My only significant disagreement
by Hoopinion on Oct 30, 2007 1:19 PM CDT 0 recs
Since predictions seem en vogue today...
ECF
Celtics over Cavaliers in six.
WCF
Mavs over Spurs in seven.
Finals
Mavs over Celtics in six.
Book it!(TM)*
*"Book It" is a registered trademark of an internet poster who is speculating based solely on surmise and instinct unsupported by any underlying, substantive analysis.
by 1958ChiTown on Oct 30, 2007 2:06 PM CDT 0 recs
which team beats the bulls
by milesgmsu on
Oct 30, 2007 2:31 PM CDT
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Garnett has given the Bulls
by 1958ChiTown on
Oct 30, 2007 4:15 PM CDT
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Boston Celtics
You can beat that intimidating paper lineup if you play good, rugged defence as the Bulls played in beating them in that pre-season game. I saw Garnett getting angry when John Thompson asked him if Rondo could handle the at the point. His anger told me volumes. He is just trying to convince himself that Rondo will be alright. I don't think the Ray Allen they got is the same Ray Allen. I think he is on the decline. And the biggest pprobllem for the Celtics is that Doc Rivers is a terrible coach. He has gotten a free ride for a number of years now. I think the media likes him because of his accessibility. He talks a good game from the analyst booth but he's incompetent on the floor.
by SlamDunk on
Oct 30, 2007 6:41 PM CDT
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Boston Celtics
by SlamDunk on
Oct 30, 2007 6:43 PM CDT
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I thought "Book It!"...
by tyger1147 on
Oct 30, 2007 3:10 PM CDT
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I forgot about that Pan Pizza thing
I think I live in one of the very few metropolitan areas without a nearby Pizza Hut. I've been in Arlington Heights for 2 years and the closest one I've seen is on Dundee Road like 5 miles from my house (15-20 minutes at least if not more with traffic), it's a shame. Pizza Hut is a million times better than the other "crap" pizza places (Pappa Johns, Dominoes, Little Ceasar's etc)....
by majoyenrac on
Oct 30, 2007 3:59 PM CDT
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Didn't know where to put this...
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http://www.esquire.com/the-side/opinion/knicks-timeline
by Goostafer on Oct 30, 2007 3:40 PM CDT 0 recs
Same problems as last year
The problem is when other good teams focus on shutting down the Bulls offense, they cannot overcome that yet. Maybe this will be the year, but with the improvement of the East, I don't see much more than a repeat of last year. They still need that go-to scorer who can produce against any defense that is thrown at him.
Go get Kobe.
by nateroth on Oct 30, 2007 3:45 PM CDT 0 recs
go get him, boy!
I agree with your premise, but disagree with the outlook on this year...I think they do overcome teams that shut down their transition game, with two go-to scorers.
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Oct 30, 2007 3:58 PM CDT
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Gordon / Deng consistency as scorers
Now, regarding our two scorers, since draft day I've thought Gordon has Arenas-level talent and he just needed the shots to be a 30 PPG scorer, but he still hasn't proven it yet. Maybe it is because of a lack of opportunities, or maybe because the times that he's been held back have seemed to come in key games. But I just can't put him in the go-to scorer category until he does it every night.
Deng seems to get a lot of his points within the offense, which is great. But can he do it when the defense is out there to shut him down? He couldn't against Detroit.
Not at all intending to knock these two, and I hope both continue to improve, but you've got the goods in Kobe just staring at you, and in my view he's the real missing piece to this team.....I guess we'll see where all the pieces fit at the deadline in February.
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Kobe
by SlamDunk on
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I agree with your point
I agree that the Celtics won't be marching to a title, but they are who I'm worried about in the East.
by nateroth on
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Hmmmmm
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on Oct 30, 2007 8:06 PM CDT 0 recs
he does look good
by your friendly BullsBlogger on
Oct 30, 2007 8:55 PM CDT
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I was but I only watched one game of his games.
by joejoeEnglish94bulls4ever on
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Boy, I can't wait for a whole season of this
Good ol' Sam Smith has already written about it once, but I'm sure he'll reiterate his stance every time Aldridge has a good game.
by 1958ChiTown on
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nitpicking
I was always in the Aldridge camp though, but I gave Pax the benefit of the doubt when he went for TT.
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